IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 July 2008 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:15 | <warren> japerry: what distro were you again?
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| 01:29 | <cyberorg> warren, opensuse
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| 01:35 | <johnny> no cyberorg
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| 01:35 | we had no cyberorg
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| 01:35 | warren, wtf are you doing up
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| 01:36 | and if up.. what are you doing at your computer
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| 01:36 | <warren> johnny: 11:34pm?
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| 01:36 | <cyberorg> johnny, hi
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| 01:36 | <johnny> yes.. you should be away , or asleep, not at your computer :)
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| 01:36 | <warren> johnny: I'm blogging about today's events and preparing code for tomorrow
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| 01:36 | * johnny makes a note to check for it | |
| 01:36 | <warren> johnny: I really want to get as much done during the hackfest as possible and let other people know what is going on.
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| 01:36 | <cyberorg> i had a very good first day at the hackfest :)
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| 01:37 | <johnny> i didn't know some of the people.. missed them
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| 01:37 | <cyberorg> got USB stick system running
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| 01:37 | <johnny> but you weren't there
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| 01:37 | <cyberorg> today i'll work on live CD
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| 01:37 | <johnny> :)
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| 01:37 | <warren> live CD?
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| 01:37 | <johnny> warren, donnie and i ran into trouble , he had an issue i couldn't duplicate
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| 01:37 | <cyberorg> warren, yes, live ltsp5 usb stick, now live ltsp5 CD :)
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| 01:38 | <warren> cyberorg: ah, I got that working a week ago.
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| 01:38 | <johnny> hopefully he'll figure it out
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| 01:38 | <warren> johnny: what kind of issue?
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| 01:38 | <cyberorg> warren, cool, ill get that done today
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| 01:38 | <johnny> we use something called genkernel to build our kernel and initramfs
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| 01:38 | when that initramfs section ran, it failed when patching busybox
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| 01:39 | i've never seen such a thing on my x86 or amd64 system
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| 01:39 | i even built the entire kernel to try to figure it out
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| 01:39 | so you have openssh 5.1 in fedora warren ?
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| 01:39 | <warren> johnny: sort of
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| 01:39 | johnny: openssh 5.1 is in Fedora 10 alpha, and we're testing it for Fedora 9 updates now.
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| 01:39 | <johnny> aha
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| 01:40 | one day i'll try fedora again
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| 01:40 | haven't tried anything redhat since redhat 5
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| 01:40 | RPM HELL
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| 01:40 | <warren> "RPM Hell" kind of went away around RH7.3
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| 01:40 | we didn't have an apt-like thing until then
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| 01:40 | <johnny> for my own usage that is.. i've had to mess with a few servers, but nothing serious enough to say i've used it really
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| 01:41 | i couldn't easily find ejabberd 2.0.0 packages for rhel or centos
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| 01:41 | a few months ago when i tried, i ended up using their binaries
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| 01:41 | <warren> did you try EPEL?
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| 01:42 | http://linux.nssl.noaa.gov/epel/5/i386/
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| 01:42 | <johnny> uhmm.. i can use that with centos?
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| 01:42 | <warren> it appears that EPEL has ejabbered
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| 01:42 | <johnny> it does now!
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| 01:42 | <warren> johnny: EPEL is the official repository of stuff for RHEL5 and CentOS5
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| 01:42 | <johnny> it didn't have ejabberd 2.0.x
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| 01:42 | only 1.4
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| 01:43 | <warren> EPEL is only as good as the contributors...
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| 01:43 | johnny: also EPEL has a roughly 6 month release schedule
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| 01:43 | <johnny> uggh.. that sucks when you want to use bleeding edge software
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| 01:43 | as i tend to require :(
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| 01:43 | <warren> johnny: a version upgrade like that might have been in the testing repository in preparation for the next cycle
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| 01:44 | johnny: so the 2.0.x might have been there months ago
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| 01:44 | well, not here, but in the testing repo
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| 01:44 | johnny: the EPEL folks try to be VERY cautious
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| 01:44 | <johnny> yeah.. i tend to always be just beyond that :)
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| 01:45 | so.. what did vagrant end up eating for dinner?
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| 01:45 | did you notice?
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| 01:45 | i hope we can go someplace more veggie friendly tomorrow
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| 01:45 | <warren> johnny: yeah, it appears 2.0.0 hit EPEL in Feb 23rd
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| 01:45 | johnny: he ate with us at the brazilian restaurant
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| 01:45 | johnny: he ate from the buffet
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| 01:48 | <johnny> i'll come out with you guys tomorrow, i just had some paid work to take care of today
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| 01:48 | which is also why i was late
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| 01:48 | i think my "boss" is upset with me for taking time away from him :)
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| 01:49 | considering it is hard to relate ltsp to web development directly
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| 01:49 | if you ever end up in baltimore tho.. you can see my tiny little ltsp install
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| 01:50 | i must not have checked EPEL then.. musta been some other repository
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| 01:51 | repositories*
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| 01:52 | quite the motley crew we have going on at the hackfest
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| 01:53 | <cyberorg> warren, you have lts.conf served over tftp?
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| 01:53 | <warren> cyberorg: yes
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| 01:54 | cyberorg: all the code that does it for fedora is in ltsp-trunk
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| 01:54 | <cyberorg> warren, and ssh_known_hosts?
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| 01:54 | <warren> no
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| 01:54 | <johnny> cyberorg, warren does it in a different place than ubuntu/debian
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| 01:54 | <cyberorg> you should have that over tftp too
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| 01:54 | <warren> cyberorg: there is some disagreement about that.
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| 01:54 | <cyberorg> that makes the image server independent
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| 01:55 | <johnny> they both do it in the initramfs, warren does it after
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| 01:55 | <warren> cyberorg: I will likely do something like it soon
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| 01:55 | <cyberorg> that is the reason i have been able to distribute prebuilt image rpms
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| 01:55 | <johnny> cyberorg, ltsp-update-sshkeys could do it..
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| 01:55 | <cyberorg> if everyone does that way, live CD and usb would work on any ltsp5 server
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| 01:55 | <warren> I do have the shared goal of making a server independent image.
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| 01:55 | <cyberorg> ah and /etc/hosts file too
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| 01:56 | <warren> however I disagree about the implementation
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| 01:56 | cyberorg: our /etc/hosts is generated on the fly, again a little different
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| 01:56 | <johnny> is that on the hackfest agenda?
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| 01:56 | <cyberorg> warren, includes entire subnet?
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| 01:56 | <johnny> i'm kinda wondering if we're going to spend most of the time on localapps
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| 01:56 | <warren> cyberorg: yes.
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| 01:57 | johnny: local apps is pretty damn important
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| 01:57 | these other isssues are relatively easy by comparison
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| 01:57 | bring them up tomorrow if they are important to you
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| 01:57 | perhaps others have ideas
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| 01:57 | <cyberorg> warren, it automatically puts the right ip addresses from the one it gets from dhcpd? cool i'll have a look at that
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| 01:57 | <johnny> no.. localapps is most important to me
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| 01:57 | <warren> cyberorg: yes
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| 01:58 | <cyberorg> is it in one of the init scripts?
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| 01:58 | <johnny> finding a way for dbus/hal to work over the network together would be nice
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| 01:58 | <warren> not sure what you mean there
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| 01:58 | <johnny> so the local dbus and hal could somehow merge with the remote dbus/hal
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| 01:58 | <warren> neither dbus nor hal were designed to go over the networ
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| 01:58 | network
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| 01:59 | I put a copy of the raw notes from today here https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/LTSPHackfestPortland2008
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| 01:59 | I have trouble using the ltsp.org wiki
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| 01:59 | <johnny> really?
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| 01:59 | <warren> It kept being inaccessible today, and it even times out now
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| 01:59 | <johnny> ouch
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| 01:59 | <cyberorg> hey count my attendance over the wire :)
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| 01:59 | <johnny> i wonder who hosts ltsp.org
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| 02:00 | <cyberorg> jammacq?
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| 02:00 | <johnny> he might pay for it
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| 02:00 | but i doubt he hosts is
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| 02:00 | it*
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| 02:00 | altho it is possible
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| 02:01 | <cyberorg> warren, while you guys are hacking away ldm, would it be possible to offer list of servers available that user can select?
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| 02:02 | <warren> cyberorg: please write to the list, that's best you can do while everyone is busy here
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| 02:02 | cyberorg: I thought ldm already had something like that though, but only person who uses it is francis
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| 02:02 | cyberorg: he has some optional code that hooks into it that was never released AFAIK
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| 02:03 | <johnny> it is too bad francis isn't there
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| 02:03 | he helped me fix an ldm bug once
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| 02:03 | <cyberorg> warren, is there a guest account that i can use to edit the wiki?
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| 02:03 | <johnny> only on the ltsp wiki.. but warren says it is no good :)
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| 02:04 | <warren> the k12linux wiki needs fedora accounts to edit
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| 02:04 | <cyberorg> i have an account on ltsp.org
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| 02:04 | <warren> I only put a copy of the notes there for myself to link to
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| 02:04 | the official copy can go up elsewhere later
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| 02:04 | <johnny> cyberorg, we'll get it on the ltsp wiki soon
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| 02:05 | <cyberorg> ok, will add to that
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| 02:05 | <johnny> warren, .. now i remember the problem :) we were using 4.2.. not 5 :)
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| 02:06 | one of those managed hosted things..
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| 02:07 | <warren> I'm looking at some content on ltsp.org and it is wildly inaccurate
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| 02:07 | <johnny> err maybe 4.5.. i'm just gonna get a vm for it, so i don't have to deal with mixing up with the silly cpanel
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| 02:07 | warren, yes it is, that's something we should put on the agenda for the future
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| 02:08 | <warren> more planning IMHO is not very useful... this is just something I and others need to just do
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| 02:08 | <johnny> planning? no.. just so we don't forget.
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| 02:08 | <warren> for example the download page ... not very useful to users the way it describes things
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| 02:08 | users really shouldn't be downloading anything on that page
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| 02:08 | they should go straight to a distro's own instructions
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| 02:09 | <johnny> i'm going to work on that, once donnie gets proper ltsp system setup
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| 02:10 | i am unable to build on this machine while doing much else.. kinda too slow
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| 02:10 | i should get a new laptop eventually
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| 02:11 | * warren finds the entire notion of building everything you install to be misguided, but OK... | |
| 02:12 | * cyberorg feels the same way about users having to build ltsp chroot :) | |
| 02:12 | <warren> http://wtogami.livejournal.com/26811.html
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| 02:16 | <cyberorg> johnny, you say i wan't there? look at the guy on the extreme right
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| 02:16 | and this: http://picasaweb.google.com/jigish.gohil/ThatSMe
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| 02:20 | <japerry> warren, cyberorg: I was doing OpenSUSE testing today -- managed to get all of the kiwi-ltsp packages updated and tested
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| 02:20 | <cyberorg> how did it go?
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| 02:20 | <japerry> cyberorg: it looks like everything except keymap + nbd connections are fixed.
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| 02:21 | <warren> quite frankly, am I supposed to care what you do? You never push anything usable to ltsp upstream.
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| 02:21 | <japerry> cyberorg: but after doing oscon this week, I'm really tired and will be heading back home tomorrow -- I've been i portland for 10 days now
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| 02:21 | <warren> It is like you folks work on an entirely separate implementation of LTSP
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| 02:21 | which is fine if that's what you want to do
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| 02:22 | <cyberorg> warren, it is just putting to gather ltsp5 stuff in a way that works on opensuse without any hassle
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| 02:22 | we dont change anything to ltsp upstream code
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| 02:22 | <japerry> warren: cyberorg and zonker have both talked about making kiwi available for other distros, using the opensuse build service. but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that
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| 02:23 | <warren> for good reason
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| 02:23 | because you are missing the point
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| 02:23 | * japerry is not a c-programmer | |
| 02:24 | <cyberorg> warren, only good reason i found was you are not interested in what/how other distros approach it :)
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| 02:24 | <warren> Oh, I'm very much interested in what Gentoo, Debian and Ubuntu are doing, because they are directly contributing to improvement of the shared code upstream.
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| 02:25 | <cyberorg> warren, well we dont have anyone with that kind of skills on our team, only thing i can do is integrate upstream work in opensuse
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| 02:27 | <japerry> warren: there is value in what the opensuse project is doing to get a good imaging/build system for LTSP. But the build system is going to be somewhat specific per distro, and would need individual distros to test the build system
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| 02:27 | warren: SoC project: http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP should also help in this process
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| 02:28 | <warren> japerry: build system for what?
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| 02:28 | <japerry> a system to easily create LTSP images, using KIWI
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| 02:29 | <warren> I'd say that the other distros are not interested in relying on opensuse to make images for them.
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| 02:30 | <japerry> KIWI is open source, supposedly independent of OpenSUSE (cyberorg confirm?)
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| 02:30 | http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/KIWI
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| 02:31 | <cyberorg> warren, dude i just dont like you attitude as an "upstream developer" you should be interested in technology not politics
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| 02:31 | <warren> I find opensuse's idea that everyone else should be happy about using their services to be a bit of strange and completely misguided politicis.
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| 02:32 | Now if you prove me wrong one day, then power to you.
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| 02:32 | but given that even the others seem to have no interest in what you are doing...
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| 02:35 | <cyberorg> warren, dont try to make what you believe to be true for "others" :) i am just not interested in politics, if i can get ltsp5 in a easily available way, i've done my job
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| 02:35 | <warren> Then good for you.
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| 02:36 | <warren> I find it annoying however that you suggest that I do something in a certain way, when I see almost no contributions from you to upstream.
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| 02:36 | <cyberorg> every time i've tried to contribute anything all i've heard from you is "not interested", you feel pressured when something is suggested
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| 02:37 | <warren> let's not generalize, please give an exact example
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| 02:37 | <japerry> warren: not interested in the Easy-LTSP configuration tool?
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| 02:37 | <warren> <japerry> warren: cyberorg and zonker have both talked about making kiwi available for other distros, using the opensuse build service. but there doesn't seem to be much interest in that
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| 02:38 | I'm not interested in the opensuse build service.
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| 02:38 | <japerry> warren: thats fine, dont need it
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| 02:38 | <warren> I suppose concepts of Easy-LTSP may be of interest one day, but I would have to reimplement them in python or something because I will not add more dependencies to Mono.
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| 02:39 | * cyberorg goes away to do something useful | |
| 02:40 | japerry is now known as japerry_zzzz | |
| 02:40 | <warren> and it is primarily technical reasons why I wont rely on Mono
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| 02:41 | <cyberorg> warren, fine, i understand you may have your reasons, lets get on with our tasks
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| 02:41 | <warren> right
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| 02:42 | <cyberorg> please be more "open" we are all here to serve community, novell/suse does not pay me to integrate ltsp for their users
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| 02:43 | <warren> I think we have different ideas of what open means.
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| 02:43 | I only expressed that I consider some of the kiwi approaches to be misguided.
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| 02:43 | and I am annoyed that we are not seeing contributions coming from KIWI to upstream
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| 02:43 | <cyberorg> warren, i did not need to change anything upstream, i works just the way it is for me, nothing from me to add there
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| 02:44 | <warren> hmm
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| 02:44 | I find that hard to believe given how much that is still broken here
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| 02:44 | but anyway
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| 02:44 | <cyberorg> warren, you should try it out some time
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| 02:46 | <johnny> btw.. i don't know C
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| 02:46 | and yet i still ported ltsp to gentoo
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| 02:46 | and will have code committed directly to the upstream source
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| 02:46 | <cyberorg> johnny, yeah, same here ;)
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| 02:47 | <johnny> because i followed the coding style and plugin system of ltsp
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| 02:47 | <cyberorg> johnny, suse plugin is upstream
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| 02:47 | <johnny> instead of using other stuff
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| 02:47 | i don't know who else has something like kiwi for their distro
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| 02:48 | but our package manager is our own version i guess
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| 02:48 | so kiwi would never really be feasible except as a distributed compiling host
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| 02:48 | warren, we'll definitely be providing some sort of binary support for the chroot
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| 02:49 | <cyberorg> johnny, kiwi should work with little work on any distro that supports smart
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| 02:49 | <johnny> but it should build from scratch as well
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| 02:49 | <warren> smart?
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| 02:49 | <johnny> only smart i know of, is hard drive SMART
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| 02:49 | <cyberorg> the project is not even hosted on novell server http://kiwi.berlios.de/
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| 02:50 | kiwi is the engine behind our work, and also for something like this http://studio.suse.com/
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| 02:51 | you would be surprised, support for native package manager "zypper" was added much later, i still use smart for creating ltsp images
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| 02:52 | <johnny> i try not to use tools that mention the distro
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| 02:52 | you should remove all references to open suse in the main subject title if you want it to sound independent
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| 02:52 | otherwise nobody will ever guess
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| 02:52 | keep it mentioned as a supported distro of course
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| 02:52 | <cyberorg> johnny, i am not kiwi developer :)
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| 02:53 | <johnny> well it is one reaosn why kiwi is not well received
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| 02:53 | it looks too tied, even if it isn't
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| 02:55 | * warren looking at Kiwi's fedora-9 binaries and wonders why it replaces fedora components with broken alternatives | |
| 02:56 | <warren> createrepo, repoview, xdg-utils are ones that I recognize.
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| 02:56 | <Ryan52> I was wrong about the autologin/guestlogin stuff still working...it's broken...my dev environment was messed up, and I was still using the old version. Here's a branch that fixes it, if anybody with commit access wants to looks at it and commit: http://rsn.no-ip.org:8000/~ryan52/ltsp/fix-guest-login
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| 02:57 | <warren> Ryan52: looking...
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| 02:58 | <cyberorg> warren, may be because the packager does not know fedora as well :)
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| 02:59 | <warren> Ryan52: so regular logins are OK too?
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| 03:02 | <warren> Ryan52: i'll push your changes.
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| 03:02 | <Ryan52> okay. regular login works if your password is right...I'm working on that problem next.
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| 03:06 | <warren> Ryan52: it does behave weird if your password is wrong, but that's nothing new...,
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| 03:06 | Ryan52: that's part of the list of bugs we want to fix
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| 03:08 | <Ryan52> no, this is just the 'Verifying password. Please wait' message and a blinking cursor.
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| 03:11 | <warren> ok, that sounds different...
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| 03:12 | Ryan52: here it gets stuck for a while then restarts X
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| 03:14 | <Ryan52> warren: what does your ldm.log say after failed login? Mine says "expect saw: asdf@192.168.1.1's password:". I haven't looked at that part of the code, so I don't know if that's good or bad...
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| 03:14 | <warren> Ryan52: hold, i'll get that
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| 03:14 | <Ryan52> oh, wait something finally happen...
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| 03:15 | ssh's help message (the thingy you get when you use incorrect arguements...) is in the middle of ldm where the messages usually are...
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| 03:15 | <warren> Ryan52: arne't you up pretty late?
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| 03:16 | <Ryan52> no. I usually go to sleep around 2, give or take an hour...
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| 03:16 | <warren> Ryan52: take it from me. I've stayed up really late hacking when I was your age. I don't think my life is better off because of it. =)
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| 03:16 | some balance in life and good rest really helps..
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| 03:17 | Ryan52: take up guitar... seems to be a great stress relief and fun thing to do for other LTSP hackers. =)
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| 03:17 | ah, wrong password, and it says
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| 03:17 | Verifying password. Please wait.
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| 03:17 | and sits there...
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| 03:18 | <Ryan52> ah. mine finally responded with ldm saying 'No response from server...restarting' and it restarted.
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| 03:18 | <warren> yeah, I see "expect saw ......."
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| 03:18 | same thing here apparently
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| 03:18 | Ryan52: this isn't new behavior
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| 03:18 | Ryan52: this is one of the things we aim to fix on the list.
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| 03:19 | <Ryan52> oh, okay, good.
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| 03:19 | well, good that it's not a regression, bad that that happens that way...
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| 03:19 | <warren> yes
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| 03:19 | Ryan52: finishing the launch of X move thing will be the first step to fix this.
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| 03:20 | Ryan52: move X launch to the screen.d/ldm script, and implement the while loop in ldm as Gadi discussed
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| 03:20 | Ryan52: then it will become easier to handle failure cases like wrong password
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| 03:20 | <Ryan52> ya.
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| 03:21 | <warren> hmm, that also means I need to reimplement the new keyboard setting part.
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| 03:21 | I might keep it as C but in its own binary simply because it is faster this way.
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| 03:21 | faster than running a new sh interpreter to run a shell script
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| 03:21 | and it is already written in C now.
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| 03:22 | ok, heading to sleep...
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| 03:22 | <Ryan52> cya tomorrow.
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| 05:40 | <mnemoc> hi, two slightly on-topic questions. do you know if there is anything to mount nbd using `mount` yet? and, what do you recommend nbd.sf.o or enbd or another?
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| 08:21 | <acp_> Hi is there other billing system for internet cafe that I could use in my ltsp setup, I'm looking at ltsp_phpSiCafe-0.2.0 is there other?
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| 08:22 | <stgraber> ogra: already awake ? isn't it like 6am ?
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| 10:42 | <ogra> stgraber, yeah, i'm not sleeping well atm
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| 10:42 | to many timezone changes ...
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| 11:25 | <ogra> warren, when are you guys heading out ?
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| 11:46 | <warren_> ogra: he can pick you up about 10am
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| 11:46 | <ogra> great
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| 11:46 | * ogra is bored ... awake since 6am | |
| 11:49 | <ogra> and i cant really get scotties changes to work
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| 11:49 | i dont even see login attempts on the server
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| 11:49 | really weird
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| 11:50 | <laga> ogra: planning an upload to hardy aafter the hackfest?
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| 11:51 | <ogra> to hardy ?
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| 11:51 | not really, no
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| 11:51 | do you have any open SRU bugs ?
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| 11:51 | <laga> no. but i can create one. ;)
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| 11:52 | boils down to adding one line to the lts.conf generated by the mythbuntu-diskless plugin, so no problem. i'm currently doing some other SRUs because i decided i want hardy to be in excellent shape
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| 11:55 | <ogra> well, if you need an SRU i'll definately do an upload indeed, but there is nothing waiting on my side atm
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| 11:56 | * ogra goes to wait for eric ... bbl | |
| 12:01 | <warren_> ogra: we're running behind schedule
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| 12:45 | <johnny> i'm running behind schedule too, one last bit of paid work
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| 13:01 | <dberkholz> johnny: saved ya a chair here
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| 13:08 | <sbalneav> Boo
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| 13:09 | <johnny> Boo
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| 13:09 | <stgraber> hey sbalneav
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| 13:10 | <johnny> sadly, i have not appeared, hopefully i can make it there by 1
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| 13:10 | dberkholz, you about?
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| 13:11 | dberkholz has a cloak, so i don't know where he is :)
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| 13:14 | <dberkholz> johnny: yeah i'm here
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| 13:14 | johnny: that's how i saved you the chair
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| 13:14 | <johnny> dberkholz, did you look into that busybox patch?
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| 13:14 | if not,
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| 13:15 | just uncomment skip build_kernel for now
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| 13:15 | <dberkholz> johnny: i added ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" to the quickstart profile, and i'm trying with that
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| 13:19 | <sbalneav> Hey stgraber
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| 13:20 | <dberkholz> hmmm.
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| 13:20 | still getting the same weird error: * ERROR: could not apply patch /usr/share/genkernel/patches/busybox/1.7.4/1.7.4-ash-timeout.diff for busybox-1.7.4
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| 13:20 | works outside the ltsp build
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| 13:22 | <johnny> i have no idea .. considering i couldn't replicate
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| 13:23 | <dberkholz> johnny: are you building for 32bit on 64bit?
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| 13:23 | <johnny> not on this machine
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| 13:24 | just 32bit for 32bit
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| 13:24 | <dberkholz> i'm not sure exactly how that would be related, but i guess it could..
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| 13:24 | <johnny> on my home machine i was able to build 32 on 64
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| 13:24 | <dberkholz> ok, so you have tested it and it worked.
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| 13:24 | <johnny> on the genkernel 3.4.10
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| 13:24 | <johnny> or wait.. maybe it was the rc
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| 13:25 | one of em :)
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| 13:26 | <dberkholz> hmm. i'm gonna try to reproduce by hand in the stage3.
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| 13:26 | <jammcq> vagrantc: so.... should I just remove all those old tarballs ?
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| 13:26 | <johnny> my friend joe had a spare computer i was trying to use , but his cdrom was having serious troubles
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| 13:27 | he did get a pcbsd install to work, but the gentoo one kept spouting buffer i/o errors
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| 13:27 | altho mine was of course.. burned, and the pcbsd one was pressed
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| 13:27 | <dberkholz> johnny: set up a gentoo chroot inside?
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| 13:27 | <vagrantc> jammcq: at least remove the debian ones
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| 13:27 | jammcq: i suspect ogra wants the ubuntu ones removed
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| 13:27 | <johnny> i was going to do it that way, but his disk was all encrypted, couldn't easily repartition, would have to blow it all away and start over
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| 13:28 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ldm-debian-packaging
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| 13:28 | sbalneav: http://bzr.debian.org/bzr/pkg-ltsp/ldm/ldm-debian-packaging
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| 13:29 | <jammcq> ogra: should I remove the old Ubuntu LTSP-5 tarball images from the wiki?
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| 13:30 | <ogra> jammcq, yes please, you earn a free beer per tarball :)
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| 13:30 | <jammcq> hmm :)
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| 13:32 | <johnny> that's more than 1 beer at least!
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| 13:57 | <johnny> some dodgy wifi :(
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| 13:58 | <dberkholz> johnny: found the problem. it's related to my pam setup
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| 13:59 | johnny: i'm using a module called pam_mktemp (USE=mktemp on pambase), and that directory doesn't get created in the chroot, but $TMP is set to use it
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| 13:59 | <johnny> aha
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| 13:59 | <dberkholz> (where "that directory" is /tmp/.private/donnie/)
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| 14:00 | pam_mktemp provides separate tmp locations per-user
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| 14:00 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: post_upload_command = ssh llama.freegeek.org /usr/bin/mini-dinstall --batch
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| 14:00 | <johnny> dberkholz, so.. what should we do about that?
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| 14:01 | clear the $TMP ?
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| 14:01 | put it back to /tmp ?
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| 14:02 | there's only so much magic we can do to match what people might have
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| 14:02 | <dberkholz> johnny: another option is to just mkdir -p $TMP
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| 14:02 | <johnny> hmm.. there is that
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| 14:02 | just wondering how many more situations we're gonna run into about that
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| 14:03 | <dberkholz> i'm just gonna add that into the .qs
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| 14:03 | <johnny> ok
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| 14:04 | so.. exactly how fast can you build a kernel and all the X stuff?
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| 14:04 | <dberkholz> johnny: also gonna look into getting ccache in there to speed up the kernel
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| 14:04 | at least on the repeat builds
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| 14:04 | probably have to bindmount in a dir from somewhere
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| 14:05 | <johnny> so.. size of the chroot doesn't matter much if we're either just mounting nfs or generating a squashfs with excluded directories does it?
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| 14:06 | if not, we can keep most of it self contained
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| 14:06 | <dberkholz> johnny: well, the "obvious" thing to do on failed ltsp-build-client is rm -rf /opt/ltsp/x86, which would wipe out all the caches
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| 14:07 | <johnny> well, that is ltsp project policy too
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| 14:07 | <dberkholz> so we'd rather keep ccache directories on the build host in /var/cache/genkernel/$ARCH and something like that for ccache
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| 14:07 | <johnny> hmm.. do the genkernel guys have anything to say about that?
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| 14:08 | <dberkholz> about what?
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| 14:08 | <johnny> or is that what they do anyways
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| 14:08 | <dberkholz> they use /var/cache/genkernel/ -- not sure about tagging on $ARCH
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| 14:08 | <johnny> putting cache there
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| 14:08 | <dberkholz> but the deal is that we're in a chroot instead of building into it from outside w/ ROOT, which means our caches stay in the chroot
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| 14:09 | so what i think might work is bind-mounting /var/cache/genkernel/x86 or whatever into /opt/ltsp/x86/var/cache/genkernel
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| 14:11 | <dberkholz> anyway, i'll think about it a bit and throw something together
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| 14:11 | <johnny> sounds good, might make my life easier
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| 14:12 | uggh.. dodgy wifi.. it's making it hard to keep my sshfs connection ... !
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| 14:12 | which i'm trying to do work on!
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| 14:13 | <johnny> only a couple bugs left
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| 14:15 | is it just me ? or do too many programs react badly to files/connections disappearing out from under them?
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| 14:43 | <dberkholz> johnny: did you have a chance to try bumping ssh to 5.1?
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| 14:43 | johnny: don't want to do the work if you already did
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| 14:54 | <johnny> no.. too busy dealing with dodgy wifi and finishing up my work :)
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| 14:57 | <dberkholz> johnny: k. i'm trying to figure out how to make quickstart install ccache before it builds the kernel
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| 14:59 | ah, found pre_build_kernel()
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| 15:03 | <johnny> ok.. i'm finally gonna be able to make my way down
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| 15:03 | <dberkholz> johnny: cool. lunch is actually showing up in a few minutes
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| 15:03 | if you eat thai
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| 15:48 | <vagrantc> rcy: https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/mkdst/mkdst-trunk
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| 15:57 | <cyberorg> vagrantc, got a working live CD too :) i'll now try and make it work with any LTSP/ssh server
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| 15:58 | with live USB it would be easily possible as date in it is persistent, so ssh_known_host can be copied over from another server
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| 15:59 | *data
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| 15:59 | thats all for my second day at the hackfest :)
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| 15:59 | 'night
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| 16:02 | <ogra> cyberorg, so how would you get the keys updated on the CD ?
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| 16:02 | <cyberorg> ogra, didnt get the question?
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| 16:02 | ah, ok, we can fetch it over tftp
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| 16:03 | * ogra shakes his head | |
| 16:03 | <ogra> then you cn use just telnet nstead of ssh
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| 16:03 | <cyberorg> currently when user creates the live CD the keys get copied at that time, making the the live CD just for that server
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| 16:04 | ogra, those are public keys
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| 16:04 | anyone who requests it gets it from the server anyway
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| 16:06 | if it is a security concern, creating a CD image takes less than 10 minutes
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| 16:06 | user just run "kiwi-ltsp-setup -cd" to create CD iso on the server and "kiwi-ltsp-setup -u" for usb
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| 16:07 | its 2.30 am, got to sleep :)
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| 16:08 | 'night
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| 16:09 | <Ryan52> vagrantc: http://rsn.no-ip.org:4000/dev/unstable/ldm_2.0.6-2_i386.deb
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| 16:28 | <epoxy|w3rk> hm, i thought my debian installs were booting via nfs. how would i know if it is using nbd? it could be the last slew of updates, just not sure.
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| 16:28 | <jammcq> I think if it's Debian, it's definately using nfs
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| 16:30 | <epoxy|w3rk> that's what i thought.. i just noticed a few lines in init and shutting down mentioning nbd and nbd client.
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| 16:31 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: deb http://192.168.240.122/debian-extra /
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| 16:34 | <ogra> epoxy|w3rk, on the client thats normal ... nbd-client is always installed, if there is no setup for it it will moan on shutdown
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| 16:38 | <epoxy|w3rk> ah, ok
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| 16:40 | <vagrantc> Ryan52: http://192.168.240.122/~vagrant/chrootversions
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| 16:59 | <sbalneav> Moo
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| 16:59 | <jammcq> Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 16:59 | <warren> sbalneav: http://people.redhat.com/wtogami/temp/segfault.png
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| 17:03 | <epoxy|w3rk> ogra, since no nbd, the lts.conf to use is in /opt/path/to/ltsp/etc, correct? not the tftpboot dir?
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| 17:03 | that is the one i use and it works.. just dont know if it is the 'correct' one
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| 17:04 | <ogra> only if you dont have one in the tftpdir .... that one will always override the one in /opt
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| 17:04 | <epoxy|w3rk> gotcha.
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| 17:05 | <ogra> so general answer is, alwyas use the tftp dir and you will never get confused :)
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| 17:05 | * epoxy|w3rk makes a sticky :) | |
| 17:05 | <ogra> or use what you like but dont forget what you used :)
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| 19:00 | <jammcq> btil: howdie
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| 19:00 | <dberkholz> johnny: http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/profile.qs
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| 19:00 | <btil> howdi
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| 19:10 | <dberkholz> johnny: wget -O ltsp.xml http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml?passthru=1
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| 20:00 | <jammcq> btil: do you see me now?
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| 20:00 | <btil> i c u
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| 20:00 | <ogra> moop
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| 20:02 | <btil> bye\
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| 21:11 | <dberkholz> johnny2: http://192.168.2.216/packages/
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| 21:34 | <ogra> https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
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