IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 22 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 01:05 | <Enslaver> Man is a small world out there even in the linux I just met a guy named Inode0 and I was like hey i run inode0.com, Turns out He's on the Board of Directors for the fedora project
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| 02:25 | <Enslaver> too neat: http://kparal.wordpress.com/2013/02/11/kerberos-authentication-in-gnome-online-accounts/
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| 09:43 | <ltspuser_46> HI Every one
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| 09:44 | I had one question today regarding LTSP Xubuntu
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| 09:45 | <ltspuser_46> I will be able to do LAN using LTSP Xubuntu and PXE. Will I be able to open a client session on a windows machine.
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| 09:45 | ?
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| 09:51 | <alkisg> Yes
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| 09:54 | <ltspuser_46> How can we do that. Can you explain?
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| 10:00 | alkisg can you explain how to open a client LTSP session on a windows machine?
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| 10:04 | <alkisg> SCREEN_07=xfreerdp params
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| 10:04 | In lts.conf
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| 10:04 | Read the ltsp docs for more information
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| 10:12 | <ltspuser_57> Hi
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| 10:13 | <ltspuser_57> I want to use pam_mount to mount some windows shares on the Ubuntu using LDM
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| 10:13 | it's possible?
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| 10:13 | it's Ubuntu 12.04
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| 10:13 | I already tried but the log shows that pam_mount cannot get the user's password
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| 10:14 | <alkisg> It should be possible. LDM uses SSH, which uses pam
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| 10:14 | That's on the server with thin clients, right?
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| 10:18 | <ltspuser_57> yes...
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| 10:19 | The Ubuntu server is a client of an AD
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| 10:19 | and I open on SCREEN_07 a LDM session to this Ubuntu
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| 10:19 | <alkisg> Try to make it work with plain ssh logins first
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| 10:19 | That way it's completely unrelated to LTSP
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| 10:20 | Once you get the working, it should also work with LDM...
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| 10:20 | <ltspuser_57> ok
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| 10:21 | thank you
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| 11:03 | <joules> hi, anyone about?
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| 11:07 | <alkisg> !ask
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| 11:07 | <ltsp> ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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| 11:12 | <joules> KDE4 + ltsp5.4.2 + 1920x1200 monitors + hp T573x clients + 100mbit. Poor performance, do I need to go 1000mbit or can I tweak something?
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| 11:15 | <elias_a> joules: How many clients? Server specs?
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| 11:15 | <alkisg> And how much RAM on the client? Maybe you can try localapps?
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| 11:15 | <elias_a> joules: Type of switches?
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| 11:24 | <joules> http://privatepaste.com/1d2944be8e
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| 11:25 | hp procurve 100mbit switch with the server plugged into the 1000mbit ports (has only 2). Server is a Dell (1850 i forget) 4gig with 2 x Xeon 3Ghz cpus.
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| 11:25 | 5 clients
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| 11:26 | It was fine with gnome/kde3.5, suffering a bit with kde4
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| 12:42 | <jammcq> good morning friends
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| 12:46 | <Enslaver> Norm!
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| 14:16 | <jammcq> does anybody else get annoyed when people like |Paradox| keep disconnecting/re-connecting?
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| 14:17 | <ogra_> yes, but your client should have an option to disable join/part messages
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| 14:17 | <jammcq> it does, but I don't want to disable ALL of them
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| 14:17 | like, I enjoy seeing sbalneav join
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| 14:23 | and I like to know when vagrantc and alkisg join, and really anybody else who actually contributes to the project
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| 14:23 | but there's a number of lurkers who never say anything, but they keep re-connecting
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| 14:46 | <laurense> i think there is a possibility to set an ignore on a leave of join from a specific person
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| 14:47 | but you should make a decision if it is worth the hassle
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> Has anyone actually ever seen |Paradox| say anything?
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| 15:10 | !seen |Paradox|
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| 15:10 | <ltsp> Error: "|" with nothing following. I obviously can't do a pipe with nothing after the |.
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> Awwe
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| 15:10 | !seen \|Paradox\|
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| 15:10 | <ltsp> Error: "|" with nothing following. I obviously can't do a pipe with nothing after the |.
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> :|
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> heh
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> !seen "|Paradox|"
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| 15:10 | <ltsp> Error: "Paradox" is not a valid command.
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| 15:10 | <muppis> Heh.
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| 15:10 | <Hyperbyte> mhmmm
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| 15:11 | <muppis> !seen yyntkzw
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| 15:11 | <ltsp> I have not seen yyntkzw.
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| 15:11 | <muppis> Bummer
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| 15:12 | <jammcq> where is the database that the bot uses?
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| 15:12 | <Hyperbyte> 16:12 * ltsp ~supybot@ltsp.org
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| 15:12 | <jammcq> so maybe somebody could dump the database and grep for Paradox
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| 15:12 | <Hyperbyte> I have a better idea.
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| 15:15 | * muppis is holding a breath and waiting for Hyperbyte's idea.. | |
| 15:15 | * vagrantc waves | |
| 15:15 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I didn't want to say anything because large searches like this take time
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| 15:15 | And if you guys run parallel searches, mine is gonna take longer.
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| 15:15 | But I've queried irclogs.ltsp.org
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| 15:15 | Hah
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| 15:15 | Either irclogs.ltsp.org doesn't handle the |, or |Paradox| has never spoken.
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| 15:16 | <muppis> Should it find it without pipes?
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| 15:16 | <Hyperbyte> Hrm, it handles pipe characters in keyword, so should handle it in username... basically same thing.
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| 15:16 | Right - that's an idea
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| 15:17 | * Hyperbyte searches for "Paradox" | |
| 15:17 | <Hyperbyte> None.
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| 15:17 | Search is much faster now, that all files are in memory.
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| 15:17 | Conclusion: |Paradox| either chooses not to, or cannot speak.
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| 15:18 | <jammcq> I don't have a problem with people lurking
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| 15:18 | in some cases, they just like to see what we talk about
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| 15:19 | in some cases, they thought they'd like it, maybe 5 years ago, and then forgot they setup their irc client to auto join
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| 15:19 | I just don't like the noise that comes with it
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| 15:19 | so i've configured my irssi to /IGNORE their joins and other noise
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| 15:19 | <Enslaver> Maybe he's both here and not here at the same time?
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| 15:20 | <jammcq> seems like a paradox, eh?
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| 15:20 | <Hyperbyte> That'd be quite the paradox
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| 15:20 | <Enslaver> speaking of schrodingers cat
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| 15:20 | <jammcq> and maybe I'm annoyed, cuz I'm allergic to cats
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| 15:20 | <Enslaver> just putting the finishing touches on my fc18 and fc19 releases
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| 15:20 | much easier than i anticipated
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| 15:22 | this build client script uses mock, which comes with the repo setup and group lists, so I'm basically just copying them from there based on $RELEASEDEF-$ARCH.cfg
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| 15:22 | its 99% future proof
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| 15:23 | except for it not being
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| 15:25 | <Mip5> Hi Gang - I can't get the F4 modes option to show up in the 12.04.2 alt install. It looks like the regular server install.
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| 15:26 | * vagrantc intends to test libpam-sshauth + lightdm today, and maybe centos + LTSP | |
| 15:26 | <vagrantc> have been busy with other things lately, so haven't had much time to work on LTSP...
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| 15:27 | * Enslaver cheers. | |
| 15:28 | <Enslaver> I haven't had 1 tester yet :( not even warren
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| 15:28 | I even cybered with him just so he'd test, i feel so dirty
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| 15:30 | <Mip5> Another Q: I updated the kernel on a 12.04 ltsp install from 3.2 to 3.5 and ended up having really slow I/O (using software raid1). After much looking at hardware issues, I reverted back to 3.2 and the problem was solved. Is there a way to specify the 3.2 kernel on a new install, or make 3.5 work better for me?
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| 15:31 | * vagrantc presumes the 12.04 refers to ubuntu 12.04 ? | |
| 15:32 | <Mip5> Sorry - yes, ubuntu 12.04,
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| 15:40 | Yea - I could not figure out why my I/O was slow on this particular server. It's got 2 qc processors, and 24 gigs of ram. I thought I had disk failures, but smart tests and looking at /proc/mdstat showed no problems. ONly when I reverted to the 3.2 kernel did everything start working great.
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| 15:41 | <Hyperbyte> Enslaver, you have LTSP working for Fedora 18?
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| 15:42 | <Mip5> On a new install on a new machine (similar spec), I couldn't get Mode F4 to show ltsp, so I was just going through the server install. I discovered the same slowness during the "reading packages" phase after apt-get update, and then discovered that the kernel was 3.5
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| 15:42 | <Enslaver> Hyperbyte, yes
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| 15:42 | nbd and all
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| 15:42 | <Hyperbyte> I'm impressed.
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| 15:42 | How is it cooperating with Gnome 3 shell?
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| 15:43 | <Enslaver> Phantomas and I got epoptes working on el6 yesterday
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| 15:43 | well, it's gonna take some polishing
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| 15:43 | lots of lockup issues
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| 15:43 | <Hyperbyte> I thought one of the problems was that Gnome 3 doesn't support non-compositing hardware
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| 15:44 | And remote X doesn't support compositing
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| 15:44 | <Enslaver> not using gnome
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| 15:44 | <Hyperbyte> Ah.
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| 15:44 | <Enslaver> Im thinking about mint
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| 15:44 | but that requires it too, nm
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> I'm thinking about something entirely different
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| 15:45 | <Enslaver> your thinking about gnome 3 in fc19
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> Actually no
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| 15:45 | <Enslaver> same track, wrong version
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| 15:45 | 3.8
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| 15:45 | <Hyperbyte> I was thinking about... weeeeeeeeekend!
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| 15:45 | Almost quitting time here. :P
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| 15:45 | <Enslaver> weeed?
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| 15:45 | oh
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| 15:45 | thats good too
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| 15:46 | <Hyperbyte> :)
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| 15:48 | <Mip5> So - has anyone else had trouble getting the F4 mode to show up on a new install using the alt install image on a usb?
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| 15:56 | <Mip5> Well, take it easy everyone. Gotta run...
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| 16:02 | <JuJuBee> I need advice. I have newer Quad core w/ 8GB RAM computers. Using FAT client ltsp... I want to give my users access to use VirtualBox or VMware to make VM's or fire up existing ones.
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| 16:03 | I have a Gig network and wonder if I can grant access to the local HD for the user so they can store the vdi files there rather than use the network.
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| 16:04 | I have 7 users in a class and want them to work with 2 vm's at the same time.
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> !seen `|Paradox|` | echo Hyperbyte:
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| 16:27 | <ltsp> Hyperbyte: I have not seen |Paradox|.
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| 16:27 | <alkisg> ;)
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| 16:28 | * alkisg shakes his head at Hyperbyte for forgetting the chat about the bot special quotes :) | |
| 16:32 | <alkisg> JuJuBee: "sudoers" on fat clients are allowed to mount local disks
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| 16:32 | Non-sudoers aren't, but you can change that with policykit
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| 16:32 | (google for policykit there, it's not ltsp specific)
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| 16:32 | Or, for an ltsp-specific way, you can mount /dev/sda1 with RCFILE_0 lts.conf directive
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| 16:33 | Or you can specify FSTAB_0 in lts.conf
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| 16:37 | * vagrantc hopes LTSP isn't completely broken on wheezy | |
| 16:37 | <vagrantc> i should be testing this daily now that we're in deep freeze
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| 16:40 | alkisg: if you can produce a test case for http://bugs.debian.org/701916, time is running out... :(
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| 16:40 | * vagrantc ponders bumping the severity on http://bugs.debian.org/700881 and fixing for wheezy still | |
| 16:41 | <alkisg> vagrantc: ouch... we have lots of things going on here, I don't think I'll be able to fit a debian installation + testing in the next 2-3 weeks.. :-/
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| 16:41 | <vagrantc> alkisg: ouch indeed...
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| 16:44 | the other possibility is it really works fine on Debian... :)
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> yup, LTSP seems to be broken with NFS mounting on Debian wheezy :(
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| 16:55 | so maybe the other bugs are essentially moot.
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| 16:57 | oh, forgot to configure NFS...
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| 16:57 | nope, still fails.
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| 16:58 | the initramfs continually spews out: "rpc failed: 2"
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| 16:59 | * vagrantc wonders if this is something switching from NFSv3 to NFSv4 by default | |
| 17:03 | <vagrantc> well, disabling NFSv4 didn't help...
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| 17:09 | this was definitely working just a week or two ago...
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| 17:13 | <|Paradox|> |03/22/13|10:16:25AM| <jammcq> does anybody else get annoyed when people like |Paradox| keep disconnecting/re-connecting?
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| 17:13 | my ISP is having some issues
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| 17:13 | talking with them, trying to fix that.
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| 17:32 | <Hyperbyte> Hi |Paradox| :-D
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| 17:32 | <vagrantc> ok, false alarm...
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| 17:33 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, ah... I `forgot`
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| 17:40 | <vagrantc> now, on to testing the new features...
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| 17:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: are you around? the instructions on http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes seem a little out of date ... trying to understand what i need to set up...
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| 18:06 | sbalneav: ah, the step-by-step instructions seem more current
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| 18:14 | <jammcq> |Paradox|: thanks
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| 18:15 | <vagrantc> yay! it works!
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| 18:16 | sbalneav: ok, so what's stopping me from uploading to debian-experimental?
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| 18:39 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Ping
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| 18:39 | yeah, the step-by-step at the bottom is OK
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| 18:39 | vagrantc: Did you see the last update to the BZR? Hold on...
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| 18:40 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i'm at revision 95
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| 18:40 | sbalneav: and i committed it
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| 18:41 | <sbalneav> Perfect, ah, good looks like that --with-pam-dir I added came in useful
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| 18:41 | Yeah, push that baby up.
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| 18:41 | vagrantc: You got it to worK? AWESOME.
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| 18:41 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: remaining TODO items are to add ssh key support?
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| 18:41 | sbalneav: mostly just followed your instructions ... did a couple things differently just because :)
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| 18:42 | <sbalneav> yeah, but that'll be part of scripting, won't require any changes to libpam-sshauth
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| 18:42 | Make note of anything you did differently, especially if it's better than what I did :)
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| 18:42 | <ogra_> vagrantc, i had some chats with some people today .... there is some possibility that dbus doesnt get dropped :)
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| 18:42 | but the system bus will for sure
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| 18:42 | <vagrantc> ogra_: dbus seems newfangled to me anyways :)
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| 18:43 | <sbalneav> What, dbus is going away now?
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| 18:43 | <ogra_> well, many services depend on it ... most desktops do in fact
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| 18:43 | sbalneav, http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-March/009797.html
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| 18:43 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: so there aren't any known missing features for libpam-sshauth at this point?
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| 18:43 | <ogra_> sbalneav, consolekit and policykit are already dead
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| 18:44 | <sbalneav> <rant>could we focus less on completely redoing everything that's been done before every 2 years, and focus more on fixing bugs in the linux community, please?</rant>
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| 18:44 | <ogra_> the system dbus will die in favour of kdbus
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i didn't set a password in the chroot, instead used SCREEN_02=shell and didn't comment out the start_screen_sessions stuff
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| 18:44 | <ogra_> sbalneav, tell that to lennart
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| 18:45 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: and of course, copying pam_sshauth.o to the appropriate location isn't necessary anymore
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| 18:45 | <ogra_> sbalneav, dont say you didnbt feel the urgent need to replace esound by pulse !
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| 18:45 | <sbalneav> I'm gonna have to do the happy packet dance on his ASS, is what.
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| 18:45 | <ogra_> sbalneav, i'll happily join in
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| 18:45 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: sure.
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> ogra_: what replaces policykit?
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| 18:45 | <ogra_> alkisg, systemd's logind
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| 18:45 | <alkisg> ogra_: not consolekit, policykit...
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| 18:45 | logind replaces policykit too?
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| 18:45 | <ogra_> yes
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| 18:46 | yes
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> ....wow
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| 18:46 | <ogra_> ubuntu has logind ... ripped out of the systemd sources
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| 18:46 | kdbus will get hairy though
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| 18:46 | <alkisg> I don't know if it's any better, but I didn't like policykit, so I do hope it's better :D
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| 18:46 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i haven't bothered to get a login on wiki.ltsp.org due to my avoidance of javascript :(
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| 18:46 | <ogra_> its not better ]
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| 18:46 | its the same just a bit different
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| 18:47 | and living in init
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| 18:47 | <alkisg> So all one can configure is "active user, inactive user, admin" again?
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| 18:47 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: No missing features that I'm aware of... I'm pretty sure we have everything needed for full "thin client". Not sure for fat client, I'll rely on alkisg for that.
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| 18:47 | <ogra_> (usually on non ubuntu systems)
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| 18:47 | alkisg, and seats ...
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| 18:47 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: i installed a local session and that seemed to "work" by default :)
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| 18:47 | <ogra_> and consoles ....
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| 18:48 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Well, that's promising.
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: just another session in the drop-down ... which means a feature i've wanted for ages is now available!
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| 18:48 | <alkisg> Consolekit used to manage those... meh... yet another time the wheel is reinvented
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> i.e. select fat or thin at login time
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| 18:48 | <ogra_> once i stop worikng at canonical i'll do my own distro ... and it will only have shell and C programs !
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| 18:48 | <vagrantc> ogra_: hah!
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that'll be the easy part, the hard part will be to have a thin client selectable at login time (user pulse)
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| 18:49 | <ogra_> (not that i plan to quit my job the next years though)
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| 18:49 | <sbalneav> If I can get the ssh key stuff going, and use udisks-glue + sshd + shell magic to replace ltspfs, things should move quickly.
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| 18:49 | <alkisg> *thin session
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| 18:49 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: how do you like the pam solution so far?
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| 18:51 | <alkisg> vagrantc, sbalneav: will libpam_sshauth be part of ltsp-trunk, or a separate branch?
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| 18:51 | (for ltsp6)
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| 18:51 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: pretty great!
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| 18:51 | * vagrantc thinks it should be a separate trunk | |
| 18:52 | <sbalneav> alkisg: What's your opinion? I'm happy to keep it separate, especially if we manage to get ltsp6 to be mainly "shell" type stuff.
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| 18:52 | <vagrantc> it's a separate upstream project, and ideally will be kept as ltsp-independent as possible
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| 18:52 | <alkisg> sbalneav: +1 on what you just said :)
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| 18:52 | ltsp can then be arch: any, right?
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| 18:52 | <sbalneav> Theoretically, yes.
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| 18:53 | <vagrantc> arch: all
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| 18:53 | * alkisg still gets confused between those 2 | |
| 18:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: arch any builds binary packages for any architecture, but 1 binary package per arch, and arch all builds one package for all architectures
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| 18:54 | <alkisg> I know the difference but I get confused between which one is which :D
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| 18:54 | <sbalneav> If we get an sshd going on the thin client, we won't need xatomwait, so that's gone. Looks like the pam module is workable, so that means ldm's gone. If we can hack netcat into a replacement for jetpipe, that's gone.
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| 18:54 | <vagrantc> the init-ltsp.d stuff really makes all this easier, too.
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| 18:55 | <sbalneav> what's left, C wise?
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> cdpinger => udisks-glue
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| 18:55 | <sbalneav> right
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| 18:55 | <vagrantc> might make it easier for dgkfbsdtsp again!
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| 18:55 | <alkisg> getltscfg => ltspd
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| 18:55 | i.e. export $(wget ...)
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| 18:55 | on the client-side
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| 18:56 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: sshd on the client has issues with host keys
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| 18:57 | <sbalneav> Well, here's the idea I had:
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| 18:57 | pre sshd startup, remove the host keys.
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| 18:57 | sshd then generates new host keys.
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| 18:57 | at login time
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| 18:57 | <vagrantc> and how does the server-side know what the valid host keys are?
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| 18:58 | <sbalneav> ssh-keygen -P "" -f ".config/ltsp/ssh/id-rsa"
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> i guess we could set them in an xprop ...
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| 18:58 | <sbalneav> grab host keys, copy to .config/ltsp/ssh/known_hosts
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| 18:58 | <vagrantc> ok.
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| 18:59 | <sbalneav> create .config/ltsp/ssh/ssh_config which points to .config/ltsp/ssh files.
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| 18:59 | <vagrantc> might be better not to mangle the user's homedir, though.
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| 18:59 | but that's an implementation detail
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| 18:59 | it's possible to communicate the correct information somehow.
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| 19:00 | <sbalneav> when doing anything localdev related, we then do ssh -F .config/ltsp/ssh/ssh_config
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| 19:00 | That way, we can auto-set up ssh keys for localdevs, but not muck with the users' $HOME/.ssh if they have one.
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| 19:01 | I'm going to try to implement this this weekend, maybe Sunday.
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| 19:02 | <alkisg> Sorry when I proposed .config/ltsp I was wrong, it's better to use .cache/ltsp or /tmp since they're not actual configuration files
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| 19:02 | <sbalneav> probably .cache/ltsp then.
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| 19:02 | * sbalneav makes note | |
| 19:03 | <alkisg> There are some patches around for reverse sshfs though
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| 19:03 | That way we wouldn't need sshd on the client
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| 19:03 | <ogra_> sfhss
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| 19:03 | reverse :)
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| 19:03 | <alkisg> Hehe
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| 19:04 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Yeah, but then we'd have to get distros to accept the patches.
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| 19:04 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: it doen't appear to be mounting the homedir locally ... expected?
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| 19:05 | <sbalneav> I haven't got it doing homedir mounting yet.
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| 19:05 | <alkisg> sbalneav: I was thinking of asking upstream sshfs about his thoughts about those patches... if he's planning on integrating them, we could use vanilla sshfs...
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> that'd be cool.
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| 19:05 | <sbalneav> For me, I wouldn't want it to, since I run a pure thin client environment; no localapps.
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| 19:05 | <vagrantc> although haven't we had a lot of troubles with sshfs?
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| 19:06 | <alkisg> homedir mounting is ltsp/scripts side, isn't it?
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| 19:06 | <sbalneav> alkisg: Sure, if he accepts, great.
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| 19:07 | <alkisg> vagrantc: we're not using localapps/localdevs/ltspfs here... is sshfs less stable than ltspfs?
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| 19:08 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i thought you made a bunch of patches for nfs homedirs and such because sshfs didn't work well with some apps ... ?
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| 19:08 | i use sshfs all the time, and overall, it's great
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| 19:08 | but it has some quirks when used for homedir mounting
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> vagrantc: that was sshfs versus nfs, not versus ltspfs... I expect ltspfs to have issues with symlinks and file locks too...
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| 19:09 | ltspfs isn't used for home dirs though, is it?
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 19:09 | <alkisg> Now the plan is to use sshfs instead of ltspfs, but again, not for home dirs, just for localdevs, usb sticks etc
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| 19:09 | <vagrantc> guess i didn't know the context of what you were talking about :)
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| 19:11 | sbalneav: well, i'm very excited about this libpam-sshauth! seems working enough to really move forward now!
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| 19:15 | <sbalneav> vagrantc: Excellent!
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| 19:32 | <vagrantc> sbalneav: ok, so i'll tag what's there as 0.3
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| 19:40 | sbalneav: i think i could package up the ltsp-pam-examples stuff, too...
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| 19:41 | <jammcq> sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19:41 | <vagrantc> not for upload to debian (we should just integrate it into ltsp), but to help with the testing process.
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| 19:41 | or we should just go ahead an integrate into ltsp-trunk ... although folks kind of want to start from scratch with an ltsp6 branch?
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| 19:42 | * vagrantc would actually rather maintain the history, even if we throw nearly everything out | |
| 19:42 | <vagrantc> i'd rather for an ltsp-5 branch and continue development on ltsp-trunk ...
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| 19:42 | fork an ltsp-5
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| 19:43 | Enslaver: ok, where do i start with trying your stuff out on CentOS ?
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| 19:49 | eesh, i don't even know how to configure a network interface on this thing.
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| 19:52 | <Enslaver> You first wanna disable network manager and maybe even selinux
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| 19:54 | If youll google the instructions for that youll find it, im on my phone so its hard to type
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| 19:54 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: heh. ok.
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| 20:25 | <Enslaver> ok I'm back at a keyboard
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| 20:27 | vagrantc: rpm --import http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/~k12linux/rpm/RPM-GPG-KEY-ltsp ; rpm -ivh http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/~k12linux/rpm/el6/x86_64/ltsp-release-5-3.noarch.rpm ; yum install ltsp-server
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| 20:34 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: ends with Package: mock ... Requires: pigz
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| 20:35 | <ogra_> oink oink
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| 20:36 | <vagrantc> oinkz
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| 20:36 | <ogra_> heh
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| 20:41 | <Enslaver> lol
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| 20:41 | damn pigz
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| 20:41 | it install ok tho?
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| 20:42 | oh there really is a package called pigz
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| 20:43 | yum install epel-release ltsp-server
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| 20:44 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: still same error
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| 20:44 | <Enslaver> did it download and install epel-release?
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| 20:45 | keep in mind i haven't tested this on 6.4, they might not have pigz in EPEL
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| 20:45 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: key errors...
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| 20:46 | <Enslaver> from epel?
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| 20:46 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: i tried installing epel-release by itself ... will try and paste the exact error
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| 20:46 | <Enslaver> rpm -ivh http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/6/i386/repoview/epel-release.html
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| 20:46 | oops
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| 20:46 | sec
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| 20:46 | rpm -ivh http://linux.mirrors.es.net/fedora-epel/6/i386/epel-release-6-8.noarch.rpm
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| 20:49 | <vagrantc> meh. ltsp.pastebin.com is useless from w3m ...
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| 20:52 | ok, yum install ltsp-server is downloading stuff now...
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| 20:53 | meh. more key errors.
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| 20:55 | http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/centos-nokey.png
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| 21:01 | * vagrantc plays it loose and fast with yum install ltsp-server --nogpgcheck | |
| 21:02 | <ogra_> uuuh
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| 21:02 | might get you malware !
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| 21:02 | :P
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| 21:04 | <vagrantc> these days, a lot of software looks remarkably like malware to me ...
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| 21:05 | wheee, xdm!
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| 21:10 | Enslaver: ok, ltsp-build-client dies in 009-mock-chroot
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| 21:11 | Enslaver: getent passwd mockbuild
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| 21:12 | <Enslaver> It doesnt like that?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: it returns 2
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| 21:13 | Enslaver: there is no mockbuild user, so that makes sense...
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| 21:13 | <Enslaver> You running 6.4?
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| 21:13 | <vagrantc> yes
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| 21:13 | <Enslaver> haven't tested it with that yet
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| 21:14 | <vagrantc> does it need a mockbuild user?
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| 21:14 | <Enslaver> when you install mock it makes it
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| 21:15 | nm
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| 21:15 | it makes mock build in my script
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| 21:15 | <vagrantc> you want if ! getent passwd mockbuild ; then ...
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| 21:15 | <Enslaver> it checks if the user exists, if not kit makes it
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| 21:16 | <vagrantc> but it's running "set -e" so any error dies
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| 21:16 | <Enslaver> oh, comment that -e out in ltsp-build-client
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| 21:17 | <vagrantc> or you want: getent passwd mockbuild || /usr/sbin/useradd mockbuild
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| 21:18 | Enslaver: the RHEL plugins don't handle errors?
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| 21:19 | <Enslaver> they should
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| 21:21 | gonna update to 6.4, wonder what they changed
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| 21:36 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: even without "set -e" it bails there...
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| 21:37 | * vagrantc looks for a rpm/dpkg basics comparison | |
| 21:38 | <ogra_> tried set -x ?
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| 21:38 | to see where it falls over
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| 21:38 | <vagrantc> ogra_: yes, that's how i figured out
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| 21:38 | well, running bash -x /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client
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| 21:39 | which should behave the same...
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| 21:39 | <ogra_> yeah
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> doh!
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| 21:39 | <ogra_> well,
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| 21:39 | <vagrantc> was actually running sh -x ...
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| 21:41 | <Enslaver> :(
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| 21:42 | <vagrantc> still no dice...
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| 21:42 | <Enslaver> try: yum install glibc-common
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| 21:42 | Did you install from the live dvd?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> changed it to: getent passwd mockbuild || /usr/sbin/useradd mockbuild
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| 21:44 | seems to be moving forward now...
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| 21:44 | <Enslaver> interesting
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| 21:44 | wonder why it works on mine?
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| 21:44 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: it's a minimal install from the CD
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| 21:44 | <simpoir> quit
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| 21:45 | <Enslaver> did the glibc-common package work?
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| 21:45 | err install
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| 21:46 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: glibc-common was installed all along
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| 21:47 | <Enslaver> k
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| 21:48 | <vagrantc> the "set +x" seems to be mangling the progress bar
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| 21:50 | <Enslaver> yeah
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| 21:50 | a normal user wouldn't have that on though
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| 21:54 | * vagrantc tails the mock logs | |
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: does mockbuild get created before you run ltsp-build-client?
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| 22:01 | Enslaver: on your machine?
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| 22:01 | (s)
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| 22:08 | <Enslaver> I see the same issue you are on mine now, its trying to delete mockbuild but that user doesn't exist
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| 22:08 | so we probably need to make that mock build user in the chroot
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| 22:14 | <Enslaver> damn now i really don't get it, the user mock build exists
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| 22:17 | <vagrantc> mockbuild, or "mock build" ?
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| 22:19 | Enslaver: it's gotten as far as [4~[4~wrapping vmlinuz and initrd...
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| 22:20 | and completed sucessfully!
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| 22:20 | <Enslaver> thats the last step
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| 22:20 | <vagrantc> well, booting a thin client ... :)
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| 22:21 | <Enslaver> make sure your services are on =)
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: so looks like i need to manually configure nfs and dhcpd and such?
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| 22:21 | <Enslaver> nope
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| 22:21 | ltsp-server-initialize -y
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| 22:21 | does it all for you
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| 22:21 | <vagrantc> ah, ok.
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| 22:23 | Enslaver: dhcpd.conf didn't get configured ... or running ... some magic i missed?
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| 22:23 | <Enslaver> the dhcpd.conf is located in /etc/ltsp
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| 22:23 | and /etc/init.d/ltsp-dhcpd is the script to start it
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| 22:24 | so it doesn't mess up anyone's current dhcpd config
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| 22:24 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: and interface configuration?
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| 22:25 | <Enslaver> configured in /etc/ltsp/ltsp-server.conf
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| 22:25 | what type of thin client you booting?
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| 22:26 | <vagrantc> haven't successfully started dhcpd yet
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| 22:26 | i've got an eth1, but it's unconfigured
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| 22:27 | but using libvirt+qemu-kvm
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| 22:28 | <Enslaver> i'd recommend setting up a bridge
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| 22:28 | using brctl
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| 22:28 | call it like bridge0
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| 22:28 | and add eth1 to it
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| 22:28 | did you get network manager disabled?
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| 22:29 | <vagrantc> never installed network-manager
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| 22:29 | <Enslaver> it comes by default
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| 22:30 | <vagrantc> well, the server's running in libvirt too
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| 22:30 | <Enslaver> chkconfig --list NetworkManager
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| 22:30 | oh
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| 22:30 | then just set that interface to be on the ltsp virtual network
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| 22:30 | then make a new vm that pxe boots
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| 22:31 | <vagrantc> error reading information on service NetworkManager: No such file or directory
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| 22:31 | just did the Minimal install
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| 22:31 | <Enslaver> ah ok
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| 22:32 | <vagrantc> so i should manually configure eth1 in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 ?
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| 22:33 | <Enslaver> yup
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| 22:33 | just make sure ONBOOT=yes
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| 23:06 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: ok, got as far as tftp, which appears to be stalling
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| 23:06 | Enslaver: it fails to download pxelinux.0
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| 23:07 | <Enslaver> Check the default file in var liv tftoboot
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| 23:07 | Well I cannot type on this phone
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| 23:07 | <ogra_> you get across just fine
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| 23:08 | at least the meaning does :)
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| 23:10 | <Enslaver> I went to reply to a girl And accidentally said wow you're fat instead of far The other day
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| 23:10 | <jammcq> oops
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| 23:11 | <Enslaver> I thought it was hilarious apparently she did not
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| 23:11 | <ogra_> heh, yeah, different views
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| 23:11 | * ogra_ has that all day .... | |
| 23:12 | <ogra_> Enslaver, get a BT keyboard and http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/902655470/headflat-the-smartphone-hands-free-solution
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| 23:12 | ;)
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| 23:13 | * ogra_ finds it unbelivable that they actually collected >5000 already | |
| 23:13 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: so i can download pxelinux.0 from the server itself ...
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| 23:14 | <Enslaver> Oh man how cool would i look
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| 23:14 | Especially while driving
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| 23:14 | Did you change from the default IP?
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: yes, i also changed dhcpd.conf to match ... anything else i missed?
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| 23:15 | <Enslaver> Exports
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| 23:15 | <vagrantc> Enslaver: it's trying to download from the correct ip address
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| 23:15 | nothing ip specific in exprots
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| 23:15 | exports
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| 23:16 | nothing shows up in ... /var/log/messages other than the dhcp requests
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| 23:16 | <Enslaver> lts.conf?
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| 23:16 | Service nfs restart
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| 23:17 | Also for xinetd.d
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> it's not getting anywhere near NFS
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| 23:18 | and this is after a fresh reboot
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| 23:18 | <Enslaver> Oh
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| 23:18 | I know
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| 23:18 | <vagrantc> it's failing to download via tftp
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| 23:19 | <Enslaver> Ltsp-update-kernels
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| 23:19 | You running -3 of rpm?
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| 23:19 | Of ltsp rpm
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> how do i tell?
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| 23:20 | <Enslaver> Rpm -q ltsp-server
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| 23:20 | <vagrantc> rpm -qa ltsp-server
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| 23:20 | 5.4.5-3.el6.x86_64
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| 23:20 | meh. no ltsp-info :P
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| 23:21 | <Enslaver> Yeah go ahead and Ensble the testing repo
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| 23:22 | Yum.repos.d in etc
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| 23:22 | It's not like it really matters I mean you can run it manually
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| 23:23 | <vagrantc> run what manually?
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| 23:23 | <Enslaver> Ltsp-chroot -a i386 ltsp-rewrap-latest-kernel ; ltsp-update-kernels
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| 23:24 | * vagrantc is lost | |
| 23:24 | <vagrantc> the file is there, i can download it via tftp from the server, it just doesn't download via tftp from the thin client ... ?
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| 23:24 | <Enslaver> Run thsy ximmsnd
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| 23:25 | <jammcq> iptables getting in the way?
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| 23:25 | <Enslaver> Possibly
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| 23:25 | <vagrantc> jammcq: mostly seems permissive ...
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| 23:25 | <Enslaver> Service iptables stop
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> that did it
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| 23:26 | <jammcq> you mean I guessed correctly?
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| 23:26 | I actually answered a support question in #ltsp ?
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| 23:26 | it's been years !!!
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| 23:26 | <vagrantc> jammcq: heh :)
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| 23:27 | * Enslaver cheers | |
| 23:27 | <vagrantc> we've got LDM!
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| 23:28 | of course, the server doesn't have any sessions available...
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| 23:28 | <Enslaver> And now there's two
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| 23:29 | <vagrantc> it thinks it has Gnome Classic ...
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| 23:31 | <Enslaver> And gtk2 :)
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| 23:33 | <vagrantc> it defaults to a root shell on tty2?!?
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| 23:34 | that's handy for troubleshooting, but a crazy default...
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| 23:35 | ldminfod is returning no output ... selinux blocking access to this or that?
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| 23:39 | server is hard-coded to 192.168.67.1 for some reason...
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| 23:40 | in lts.conf ...
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| 23:41 | it's also running centos 6.3 instead of 6.4 ?
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| 23:41 | <Enslaver> yeah like i said, i havent gotten 6.4 yet
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| 23:41 | 6.4 just came out for SL yesterday
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| 23:42 | <ogra_> jammcq, geez, what happened !
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| 23:42 | <Enslaver> also each time i didn't hard code in the IP i had major issues
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| 23:42 | <vagrantc> oh, i downloaded the iso a week or two ago?
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| 23:42 | <Enslaver> The ISO for centos
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| 23:42 | I run scientific linux
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| 23:42 | <vagrantc> yess
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| 23:43 | ah.
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| 23:43 | which is a centos derivative?
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| 23:43 | <Enslaver> yeah just another el6 clone, but add's more packages
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| 23:45 | <vagrantc> the hard-coded ip address wouldn't work for many of my use-cases ... i use the same chroot for multiple networks
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| 23:47 | <Enslaver> try SERVER=server
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| 23:47 | haven't tried it lately
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| 23:47 | <vagrantc> should be init-ltsp.d hooks to set the variable at boot time ...
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| 23:48 | <Enslaver> thats been an issue, also for some reason the hostname always shows up as ltsp0
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| 23:48 | unless you use it based on the mac
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| 23:49 | then its like ltsp-00-11-22-33-44-55
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| 23:49 | gonna fiddle with 09-hostname some more
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| 23:52 | ah thats why, the only place IPV4ADDR is set is in ./client/Debian/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udhcp
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| 23:53 | <vagrantc> yeah, it's not setting the IP related varriables
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| 23:54 | so, i get to LDM, log in, briefly see an xterm, and then it logs out
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| 23:54 | <Enslaver> that with SERVER=server ?
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| 23:55 | <vagrantc> no, with SERVER=192.168.67.3
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| 23:55 | <Enslaver> oh
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| 23:56 | * vagrantc tries with SERVER=server | |
| 23:56 | <vagrantc> so ldminfod isn't giving any results
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| 23:56 | i run it manually, and it shows output like i would expect
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| 23:56 | but: nc 192.168.3.67 9571
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| 23:56 | just empty
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| 23:57 | <Enslaver> lemme fire mine up
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| 23:57 | <warren> vagrantc: you have a centos box?
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| 23:57 | <Enslaver> i think that was the issue i was having too
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| 23:57 | thats why i needed to manually set it
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| 23:58 | <vagrantc> warren: a virtual machine, yes.
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| 23:58 | warren: i'm responding to Enslaver's call for testing
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| 23:59 | <Enslaver> k just booted up my thin client with SERVER=192.168.67.1
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