IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 2 March 2009 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:57 | <try2free> How to limit user login only once?
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| 03:00 | <Appiah> try2free: hmm
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| 03:00 | you can limit the SSH
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| 03:00 | that should work
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| 03:02 | "hard maxlogins" is the option i belive
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| 03:05 | <try2free> Appiah: where to set that i am using ubuntu 8.04
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| 03:07 | <Appiah> in the sshd
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| 03:07 | config
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| 07:10 | <cyberorg> Gadi, with local ltspfs installed, it takes a long time for ldm to show up if floppy drive is enabled from bios
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| 07:58 | <Gadi_eeepc> cyberorg: is that with the latest ltspfs from bzr?
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| 08:01 | <nerux> hi
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| 08:01 | <cyberorg> Gadi_eeepc, no, 0.5.8_090128
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| 08:01 | a month old :(
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| 08:02 | <nerux> in the old version I can modify dhclient.conf
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| 08:02 | How do that with new version ?
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| 08:03 | I explain my problem
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| 08:03 | <Gadi_eeepc> cyberorg: if you can try latest and let me know, I have made a few changes
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| 08:04 | not sure if they will affect that
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| 08:04 | <cyberorg> Gadi_eeepc, sure, i know a month is a long time the way development is moving :)
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| 08:07 | <Gadi_eeepc> well, vagrantc has reported issues with CDROMs and local ltspfs
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| 08:08 | so, it seems there are some isues to work out still
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| 08:08 | :)
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| 08:21 | <nerux> I want to separate thin clients of clients
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| 08:26 | <nerux> with the dhcp
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| 08:27 | Where can I modify the dhcprequest of thin client ?
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| 08:39 | I read in the newer doc you didn't use "dhclient" but "ipconfig"
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| 08:40 | <cyberorg> nerux, not sure if anyone here understood what you are trying to do
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| 08:41 | <nerux> ok
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| 08:41 | Scuse my english
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| 08:42 | I have some clients with windows xp and some thin clients
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| 08:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> nerux: if you are using ubuntu, you can modify either /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp_nbd OR /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions and add "-i LTSP" to the ipconfig command to pass a VCI
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| 08:42 | then, go into the chroot and update-initramfs -u
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| 08:42 | and ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
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| 08:43 | then, you will be able to tell the thin clients from the fat clients
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| 08:43 | we are working on getting something upstream into the initramfs-tools to make this more configurable there, atm
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| 08:45 | <nerux> I want to put windows clients in a specific range and to put thin clients in another range
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| 08:46 | ok, I look that
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| 08:47 | I work with a debian lenny and ltsp-standalone 5.10
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| 08:47 | 5.1.10 sorry
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| 08:53 | I found the script /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions, but I don't know this command I want to pass this dhclient.conf for dhclient :
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| 08:53 | option clientltsp code 222 = text;
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| 08:53 | send clientltsp "ltsp";
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| 08:53 | where I can find help to customize ipconfig command
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| 08:53 | <Gadi_eeepc> nerux: find the ipconfig command
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| 08:54 | add the flag: -i LTSP
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| 08:54 | <nerux> ok
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| 08:54 | <Gadi_eeepc> so it reads: ipconfig -i LTSP
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| 08:54 | ...
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| 08:54 | then, in your dhcpd.conf, you can look for a match on the first 4 letters of the VCI to LTSP
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| 08:54 | <nerux> ok I understand
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| 08:55 | thanks
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| 08:55 | I'm very slow :(
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| 08:55 | <Gadi_eeepc> not at all
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| 08:55 | :)
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| 09:16 | <jammcq> good morning #ltsp
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| 09:16 | <Appiah> mornin!
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| 09:17 | well..
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| 09:17 | <try2free> halo
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| 09:17 | <Appiah> good afternoon
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| 09:17 | :)
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| 09:17 | <try2free> good night
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| 09:18 | i am still looking for how to limit user login in ltsp
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| 09:18 | <nerux> Gadi_eeepc: I do the change and I modify /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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| 09:19 | but did'nt work it
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| 09:19 | <Appiah> try2free: did you try limiting SSH?
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| 09:22 | <try2free> i want but i don't know how
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| 09:22 | <nerux> after the update-kernels I don't find my change in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions
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| 09:24 | <try2free> i want each user only login in one computer
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| 09:24 | user can not multiple login, how?
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| 09:26 | <nerux> It works fine, I do a mistake
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| 09:26 | Thanks again Gadi
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| 09:26 | ;)
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| 09:27 | <cyberorg> Gadi_eeepc, when we select the session from preferences in LDM, is it LDM_SESSION or LDM_XSESSION ?
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| 09:30 | <cyberorg> got it, it would be LDM_SESSION
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| 10:05 | <Gadi_eeepc> try2free: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION=True
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| 10:20 | <stgraber> Gadi_eeepc: btw, I sent the new LTSP with the new code for volume setting to production this weekend, no complaint so far :)
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| 10:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> stgraber: cool
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| 10:23 | any positive comments
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| 10:23 | like, hey the sound works!
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| 10:28 | stgraber: btw, rdesktop needs a wrapper script these days to properly handle the username (amongst other things) - I can donate mine, but where should we put it? screen.d/wrappers/ ?
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| 10:40 | <ogra> stgraber, well, we seem to have a prob with localdev atm
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| 10:40 | * ogra wonders which udev version debian sid has atm | |
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| 10:41 | <Gadi_eeepc> not something I did, I hope
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| 10:41 | <ogra> unlikely
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| 10:41 | <ogra> i suspect its the new udev that causes it
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| 10:42 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/335767
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| 10:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> are they breaking things again in the name of progress?
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| 10:42 | <ogra> not sure what all changed, but by the looks of it either the udev rules for ltspfs dont fire anymore or the scripts dont get executed
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| 10:43 | <Ahmuck-Jr> don't you break things in the name of progress at the start of a new version?
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| 10:47 | <ogra> the udev version was updated some days ago
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| 10:50 | <vagrantc> the udev rules changed location, didn't they?
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| 10:51 | <ogra> yes, but they end up at the right place
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| 10:51 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23302773/udevadm_test_dev_sdb.txt
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| 10:51 | that part is intresting
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| 10:52 | udevadm_test: run: 'ltspfs_entry add sdb'
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| 10:52 | <vagrantc> looks like debian still has 0.125-7 for stable/testing/unstable
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| 10:52 | <ogra> looks like udev does the right thing
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| 10:52 | wow, thats ancient
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| 10:52 | 139-1 is currently in ubuntu
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| 10:53 | <vagrantc> but ltspfs is working fine in debian :)
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| 10:53 | <ogra> yeah yeah ...
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| 10:53 | not hard to make stuff work with ancient software :P
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| 10:54 | <vagrantc> resisting change in the name of functionality :)
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| 10:54 | <Gadi_eeepc> is this the same issue people had with FAT32 usb sticks?
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| 10:54 | <ogra> so it looks a bit like "ltspfs_entry add sdb" doesnt do what it should, the log clearly shows its firing
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| 10:55 | <Gadi_eeepc> (or was that FAT16 sticks)
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| 10:55 | <ogra> well, he claims his stick was working before
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| 10:55 | so i doubt its the stick
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| 10:56 | and it doesnt look like its udev either
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| 10:56 | which leaves ltspfs
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| 10:56 | i dont even have an install around to debug
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| 10:57 | <ogra> would be greatful if someone who has a jaunty install could check that further
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| 11:03 | <stgraber> ogra: I have one at home, I can probably test later today
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| 11:03 | I'm running Jaunty's ltsp on Intrepid and it works fine though so if it's broken it's something in Jaunty's udev
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| 11:06 | <gfarbal2> Hi! Anybody can help me setting up local devices support in a LTSP server? I'm using 2.6.24-23 kernel, I've fuse module insmoded, my user is in fuse group, and my thin device recognizes my USB stick but... Gnome icon's... doesn't appear :-( Any idea? Thank you!
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| 11:11 | <Gadi_eeepc> gfarbal2: ls -l /dev/fuse
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| 11:13 | <gfarbal2> Gadi_eeepc: crw-rw---- 1 root fuse 10, 229 2009-02-13 10:08 /dev/fuse (THANK YOU)
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| 11:15 | <Gadi_eeepc> hmm
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| 11:15 | looks good to me
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| 11:15 | what distro?
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| 11:16 | * vagrantc wonders where the THANK YOU patch to ls is | |
| 11:16 | <gfarbal2> Edubuntu
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| 11:16 | <Gadi_eeepc> which version?
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| 11:16 | Hardy?
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| 11:16 | <gfarbal2> 8.04
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| 11:17 | <mushroomblue> hi everyone.
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| 11:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> gfarbal2: if the stick has no partitions, it could be that Hardy did not handle those properly
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| 11:18 | * Gadi_eeepc doesnt remember | |
| 11:18 | <Gadi_eeepc> when you plug the stick in the server, does it come up as /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda?
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| 11:19 | <gfarbal2> I can access in my USB stick from one shell in the thin-client (/dev/sdb1)
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| 11:20 | But I don't know how to do this using Gui LTSP session (Gnome).
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| 11:21 | <Gadi_eeepc> it should make an icon and/or a directory in /media/$USER/
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| 11:21 | do you have ltspfs installed on the server?
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| 11:22 | <gfarbal2> I've these options in my: lts.conf: [default] SOUND=True LOCALDEV=True NBD_SWAP=True SYSLOG=server
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| 11:22 | <Gadi_eeepc> gfarbal2: dpkg -l ltspfs
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| 11:22 | <gfarbal2> In /media/ directory I've only cdrom and cdrom0 icons :-(
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| 11:22 | Yes: ii ltspfs 0.5.0~bzr20080 Fuse based remote filesystem for LTSP thin
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| 11:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> are you at liberty to reboot the server?
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| 11:23 | <gfarbal2> mmmm.... Yes.
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| 11:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> if so, I would suggest rebooting server, then rebooting the client
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| 11:23 | <gfarbal2> It's a school server.
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| 11:23 | <Gadi_eeepc> and just make sure nthhing is wonky
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| 11:24 | if everything is installed properly, then all should come up as they should
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| 11:24 | <gfarbal2> Ok. I will try. Thank you very much Gadi :-)
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| 11:24 | <Gadi_eeepc> np
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| 12:15 | <ogra> stgraber, hmm, looking at all the logs i start to suspect we dont get LOCALDEV handed through to ltspfs_add
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| 12:15 | err
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| 12:15 | ltspfs_entry
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| 12:16 | <stgraber> ogra: weird, here I seem to have it ...
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| 12:16 | <ogra> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23299761/udevadm_monitor-e.txt
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| 12:17 | ah, no, ltspfs_add seems to source /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
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| 12:18 | so it should be available
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| 12:18 | but not in the udev env
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| 12:18 | i think vagrantc once added that bit
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| 12:30 | <vagrantc> what's the issue?
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| 12:31 | <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/335767
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| 12:31 | looking at the udev logs it seems that udev isnt the issue here
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| 12:32 | and i was wondering if LOCALDEV gets even hande to the ltspfs script
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| 12:32 | *handed
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| 12:32 | but then i found it sources /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config anyway
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| 12:33 | <vagrantc> yeah
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| 12:33 | <ogra> so that cant be an issue
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| 12:33 | udev calls "ltspfs_entry add sdb" it seems
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| 12:33 | so that should work as well
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| 12:33 | or, wait
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| 12:34 | can someone check what the actual parameter on a working system for ltspfs_entry add is ?
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| 12:35 | i guess %k isnt what it used to be anymore
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| 12:35 | <vagrantc> what did it "used to be" ?
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| 12:36 | it should be able to take a device path or simply the device name ... i.e. /dev/sdb or sdb
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| 12:36 | <ogra> The most common operators are %k and %n. %k evaluates to the kernel name for the device, e.g. "sda3" for a device that would (by default) appear at /dev/sda3. %n evaluates to the kernel number for the device (the partition number for storage devices), e.g. "3" for /dev/sda3.
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| 12:37 | from the example file for writing udev rules
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| 12:38 | <mushroomblue> I have a kinda difficult question. setting up a ton of thin clients using LTSP, plugging into one main server. each client is going to have a printer hooked up to it. will cups allow these printers to be added to the network, and printable by anyone on the network?
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| 12:38 | i.e. person on thin client #1 could print to thin client #8, somewhere else on the network.
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| 12:38 | <Gadi_eeepc> mushroomblue: each printer would have its own jetdirect printer queue
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| 12:39 | you can limit the queue as you like
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| 12:39 | <Gadi_eeepc> everything is queued and spooled on the server
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| 12:41 | <mushroomblue> mmkay, now, does anyone know how to make a ltsp server communicate with windows terminal services, and share printers?
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| 12:42 | <Gadi_eeepc> man rdesktop
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| 12:42 | :)
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| 12:44 | <mushroomblue> hmm.
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| 12:48 | <ogra> oh, udev doesnt seem to see the partition
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| 12:48 | thats an issue indeed :)
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| 12:48 | <Gadi_eeepc> i thought it reported fat32
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| 12:49 | <ogra> i only see sdb in the logs
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| 12:49 | not sdb1
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| 12:49 | <Gadi_eeepc> right - because the drive is formatted
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| 12:49 | without partitions
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| 12:49 | <ogra> dmesg is the only thing showing sdb1 and the partition table
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| 12:49 | but not udev
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| 12:50 | <Gadi_eeepc> arent the udev logs only showing sdb because you only asked it for sdb
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| 12:50 | not sdb1
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| 12:50 | udevadm info --query=path --name /dev/sdb
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| 12:51 | would you not want to ask it for --name /dev/sdb1
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| 12:51 | <ogra> i asked for udavadm monitor -e first
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| 12:51 | http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23299761/udevadm_monitor-e.txt
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| 12:52 | hmm, but you are right its formatted top level, whatever the demsg output shows is a different device, gah!
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| 12:53 | <Gadi_eeepc> hehe
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| 12:54 | keep in mind, sandisks are funny beasts - they have a hidden partition that looks like a USB CDROM
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| 12:54 | thats where they store drivers/utilities for U3 stuff
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| 12:55 | not that any of that should deter udev from working properly
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| 12:55 | :)
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| 12:55 | <ogra> yeah, that dmesg is also very wonky
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| 12:57 | <ogra> [ 333.824940] scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB Flash Memory 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2
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| 12:57 | thats definately not what he tested with for all the rest
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| 12:58 | ID_SERIAL=SanDisk_Cruzer_0000169BA771DAD7-0:0
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| 12:58 | sigh
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| 12:58 | i wish users wouldnt change the hardware in the middle of a debugging session
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| 12:58 | bah
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| 13:00 | <Lumiere> hi jammcq
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| 13:03 | <jammcq> hey Lumiere
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| 13:03 | wow, long time, no see
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| 13:04 | <ogra> jammcq, do you ever plan to fix up that broken mailserver ? i'm getting all mail back since months (since i reported it first to you)
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| 13:04 | <jammcq> umm, I don't remember what the problem was
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| 13:05 | <ltsppbot> "ogra" pasted "mail error" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/270
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 13:06 | <ogra> no matter what i send to any ltsp.org address and no matter what outgoing server i use, i get back this message
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> wonder if it could be the graylisting thing
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| 13:06 | <ogra> do you run graylisting ?
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| 13:06 | <jammcq> I might
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| 13:06 | <ogra> hmm
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> Mar 2 06:34:15 ltsp gld: Greylist activated for recipient=<vagrantc@ltsp.org> sender=<ogra@ubuntu.com> ip=<91.189.90.139>
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| 13:09 | <ogra> oh
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| 13:09 | so vagrantc doesnt want mail from me ?
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| 13:09 | :-'(
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| 13:09 | <jammcq> that's my system doing that
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| 13:09 | well, LTSP.org's server
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| 13:10 | there's prolly a way to fast-track email from you
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| 13:10 | <ogra> well, i know my address is used by many spammers but valid mail shuld come from a canonical server
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| 13:11 | i send all ubuntu mail out through the canonical smtp
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| 13:11 | <highvoltage> so vagrant hasn't been getting any mail!?
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| 13:12 | lucky him :)
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| 13:12 | <Lumiere> I know...
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| 13:12 | <jammcq> he should get it after 5 minutes or so
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| 13:13 | <Lumiere> I've been working my rear off on SchoolTool
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| 13:13 | and my actual jobs
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| 13:28 | <jammcq> ogra: can you try sending an email to vagrant?
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| 13:28 | I'll watch the log
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| 13:28 | see if the whitelist entry works
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| 13:28 | <ogra> well, i can send one to you, so we dont need to annoy vagrantc with testmails :)
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| 13:28 | (yours come back too)
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| 13:29 | sent
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| 13:34 | <vagrantc> otavio: you available to sponsor an ldm upload?
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| 13:47 | <jammcq> ogra: can you try again sending me an email?
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| 13:47 | <ogra> sure
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| 13:54 | <vagrantc> wow. logo #54 takes it to a whole new level.
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| 13:54 | <ogra> is that the one with gun and axe ?
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| 13:54 | * ogra doesnt want to open the page again, it tears down my FF so heavily | |
| 13:56 | <vagrantc> ogra: yeah
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| 13:56 | <ogra> heh
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| 14:05 | <otavio> vagrantc: sure; just send it to my mail with subject set to SPONSORING: <pkgname>
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| 14:05 | <vagrantc> otavio: itais already got it :)
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| 14:05 | now the long wait in NEW
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| 14:06 | <otavio> vagrantc: good; nice
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| 14:52 | <vagrantc> stgraber: thankfully, your 2.0.38 tarball is working for me... still have no idea what was wrong with the 2.0.36 tarball
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| 16:11 | <Gadi_eeepc1> ogra: ping
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| 16:12 | <ogra> all these Gadis here
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| 16:12 | <Gadi_eeepc> ogra: if you were to disable compiz on a system - which approach would you take (short of uninstallingit)
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| 16:13 | <ogra> /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/default and /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager/current
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| 16:13 | not sure that still works, but it used to
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| 16:14 | just set both to metacity
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| 16:14 | <Gadi_eeepc> gconf-eeditor?
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| 16:14 | *editor
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| 16:14 | <ogra> or dump a file in /usr/share/gconf/defaults
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| 16:14 | with a very high numbering
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| 16:15 | like /usr/share/gconf/defaults/99_gadis_evli_wm_enforcement
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| 16:15 | *evil
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| 16:16 | <Gadi_eeepc> im sure both spellings woud work
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| 16:16 | *would
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| 16:16 | whats evil is that compiz check the xorglog file on the server
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| 16:16 | :)
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| 16:16 | <ogra> i think stgraber was working with mvo on that
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| 16:17 | not sure about the outcome
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| 16:23 | Gadi_eeepc, can you make sure there is a bug about it so it gets fixed at some point ?
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| 16:23 | * ogra calls it a day | |
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| 16:33 | <Gadi_eeepc> sure - Ill have a look
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| 16:38 | <Gadi_eeepc> ogra: still here?
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| 17:13 | <erikcw> What kind of server am I going to need (RAM/CPU) for 10 thin clients (scaling to 30 eventually). The thin clients will just be using firefox...
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| 19:03 | <warren> Ryan52: hey
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| 19:03 | Ryan52: so with the stuff I just checked in, you should be able to install Fedora 11 chroots with ltsp-build-client --release=11
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| 19:03 | Ryan52: however you need to upgrade rpm on your Fedora 10 system to do so.
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| 19:04 | <Ryan52> k.
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| 19:05 | <warren> Ryan52: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/rpm/4.6.0/1.fc10/
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| 19:06 | Ryan52: NFS appears to work, but NBD wont. NBD's format changed in kernel-2.6.29
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| 19:06 | Ryan52: you would need to install the new squashfs tools from F-11 to create hte new format
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| 19:06 | <Ryan52> our fault or someone elses?
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| 19:06 | ah, ok.
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| 19:06 | <warren> Ryan52: upstream kernel's fault
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| 19:06 | Ryan52: the new format is incompatible with older kernels
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| 19:07 | <Ryan52> ok, I understand.
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| 19:07 | <warren> Ryan52: I didn't fully test it, you might want to do a mkdst rpm snapshot build and be sure that ltsp-build-client works.
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| 19:26 | <chupacabra> My Fedora 11 (10.9.1) is very shaky. yesterdays update killed a couple of things and changed my Eterms to blood red. i laughed at that but then started noticing other bad things.
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| 19:53 | <warren> chupacabra: why are you asking here?
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| 19:53 | chupacabra: the gnome-terminal bug is known, a few applications are broken due to a compiler bug, they're working on it.
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| 21:17 | <x3_SteveFromAcco> WOOTS
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| 21:17 | I got project linknet running =]
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| 21:18 | ltsp guide has an error rofl
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