IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 4 December 2011 (all times are UTC)
| 00:02 | <andygraybeals> okay, starting over again :)
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| 00:02 | this time with the alternate installer for ubuntu
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| 00:07 | <cheche> hi, I am testing boot up on this old dell system and somehow there is a problem with the graphics card. How do I debug this problem?
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| 00:10 | <andygraybeals> hey cheche, your further along than i am.. i started at 4am est :)
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| 00:15 | <cheche> XSERVER = auto Does not seem to work on this system. i try to ctrl+F1 to get some info but it does not work
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| 00:15 | andygraybeals: :-)
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| 00:15 | andygraybeals: oh well there is friendly people down here :-)
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| 00:16 | <andygraybeals> oh for sure, the best :)
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| 00:18 | <vagrantc> cheche: XSERVER = auto is essentially the default
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| 00:21 | <cheche> vagrantc: I have try XSERVER= vesa and still not working. is there a way that I can debug what is the error?
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> yes, although i'm a bit tied up at the moment unfortunately
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| 00:27 | <cheche> check the system, i found out that is a PII with 350Mhz maybe this spec is a bit low for this...
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| 00:32 | vagrantc: is there anything that can stop the boot up process (like recovery mode)
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| 00:41 | vagrantc: is a ATI Mach64 card. so i make a XSERVER =ati and then the boot up process loops itself.
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| 05:05 | <andygraybeals> aight, got it to work finally - i have no idea what i was doing wrong
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| 06:21 | <alkisg> cheche: SCREEN_02=shell will give you a command prompt without X
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| 06:21 | From there, you can run X -configure, to see if X can somehow configure your graphics card
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| 06:22 | lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA will show the pciid and the driver in use, which will be very helpful in googling
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| 06:22 | And, nomodeset may work around your problem
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| 06:22 | !nomodeset
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| 06:22 | <ltsp> alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
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| 06:23 | <alkisg> A PII @ 350MHz is fine as long as it has 128 MB RAM
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| 06:23 | It's also doable with 64MB, but it requires editing some configuration files
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| 11:52 | <andygraybeals> i got ldap and ltsp to work :)
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| 11:52 | awesome!
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| 12:00 | <khildin> good work andygraybeals.... did you use zentyal server for ldap?
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| 12:00 | <andygraybeals> khildin, yes, zentyal - i doubt i could have done it without.
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| 12:01 | <andygraybeals> the one thing that is bothering me is that -- it asks for a 'proxy' user to login to the db to read the information; is there such an account? i just put the 'root' account into this place.
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| 12:03 | <khildin> root with root credentials or a sudoer account?
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| 12:04 | probably bencer/Jorge can give you some pointers on this....
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| 12:05 | <bencer> uhm
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| 12:05 | <khildin> he's alive!
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| 12:05 | lol
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| 12:05 | <bencer> :)
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| 12:05 | andygraybeals: are you using just ltsp or ltsp-cluster?
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| 12:06 | <andygraybeals> hm... well i followed the instructions on the cluster page (the client install ones)
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| 12:06 | i'm not running a cluster
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| 12:06 | i thought that is what i was supposed to do.
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| 12:06 | in all honesty if it isn't... i'm fine with starting again from scratch.
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| 12:06 | i want to document this so i can do it for real at work.
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| 12:07 | <khildin> ^^ please do document... :)
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| 12:08 | <bencer> andygraybeals: i don't know about what kind of db login could be
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| 12:08 | i only set up ltsp without cluster mode, and no db involved in that for sure
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| 12:08 | <khildin> LDAP db?
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| 12:09 | <bencer> that should be working out of the box with zentyal
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| 12:09 | nothing to do there
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| 12:09 | once that pam is enabled
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| 12:10 | <andygraybeals> hmm..
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| 12:10 | yes, pam,was disabled for a while.. tripped me up
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| 12:10 | <khildin> is that the trick: enabling pam and using local accounts instead of ldap accounts for ltsp??
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| 12:11 | <andygraybeals> but it assk for 'root' dn & password then 'proxy' dn & password.. i don't think there is a proxy
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| 12:11 | <bencer> uhm i don't know what question is that
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| 12:11 | <andygraybeals> after i eneabled pam on zentyal.. i could login to ltsp
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| 12:11 | bencer oviously i messed something up
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| 12:11 | it happened twice.
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| 12:11 | <bencer> enabling pam on zentyal allows login in the system with users from ldap
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeals> i think it happened with in ran the installer for the 'zenyal-desktop' onto the ltsp server.
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| 12:12 | <khildin> maybe the proxy is part of the cluster setup...
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| 12:12 | <bencer> andygraybeals: that's the problem, yes
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeals> khildin, yes, maybe so.
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| 12:12 | <bencer> you don't need that
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeals> okay awesome i screwed up.
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| 12:12 | <bencer> as with ltsp apps run on the server
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeals> i will re-install today.
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| 12:12 | <bencer> you don't need zentyal-desktop
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| 12:12 | just enable pam
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| 12:12 | and that will be enough
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| 12:12 | <andygraybeals> wait wait... then how do i configure ldap?
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| 12:13 | <khildin> nothing to configure on ldap i guess....
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| 12:13 | <andygraybeals> so i got zentyal server, then i got ltsp server. right? i need ltsp server to talk to ldap server for auth.
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| 12:14 | i thought it would be easy enough for me to install 'zentyal-desktop' onto ltsp server.. so i could make that connection happen.
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| 12:14 | <bencer> andygraybeals: its very easy
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| 12:14 | you are making it messy
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| 12:15 | 1.- clean install, enable users, enable pam on users module
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| 12:15 | 2.- install ltsp-standalone-server, ltsp-build-image
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| 12:15 | <andygraybeals> oh on the same machine.
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| 12:15 | <khildin> :)
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| 12:15 | <bencer> 3.- configure the pxe on dhcp zentyal module
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| 12:16 | <andygraybeals> okay, thank you bencer.. ihave to rethink this.
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| 12:16 | i understand what yhou said.
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| 12:17 | i was thinking i would have two seperate machines.
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| 12:17 | i guess i don't know why i was thinking in such a way though.
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| 12:18 | <khildin> you still can do it on 2 seperate machines and on the 'ltsp machine' only install users and groups module in slave mode
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| 12:19 | might be wise to run ltsp on a dedicated server
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| 12:20 | <andygraybeals> khildin, so i can install the zentyal ppa onto my ltsp machine, then load 'users and groups' module in slave mode?
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| 12:20 | <bencer> andygraybeals: yes
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| 12:20 | <andygraybeals> nice
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| 12:21 | <khildin> bencer: does it work the other way around? I mean: first install ltsp and then add zentyal users and groups?
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| 12:22 | <bencer> yes
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| 12:22 | <khildin> good to know.. :)
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| 12:34 | <andygraybeals> khildin, what have you been doing to get it to work?
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| 12:38 | <khildin> I haven't tried it yet... just brainstorming... :P
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| 12:39 | <andygraybeals> nice
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| 12:39 | sounds like your further ahead than i am :)
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| 12:39 | <khildin> i have been playing with ltsp before... but not together wit zentyal
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| 12:42 | <andygraybeals> yes, i'm prettty happy - -i got fat clients working.. and i got a competely virtual environment working! now to get this ldap part down!
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| 12:45 | <khildin> nice...
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| 16:29 | <andygraybeals> is it best to just purge compiz?
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| 16:30 | also network-manager ?
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| 16:31 | is anyone looking forward to ubuntu 12.04 lts ?
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| 16:34 | <alkisg> andygraybeals: you don't need to purge them, just don't use them if you don't want them. Sure, many people are looking forward to 12.04 :)
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| 16:34 | <andygraybeals> is there anything bad that would come of purging them?
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> apps that depend on network-manager will get deinstalled
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| 16:35 | <andygraybeals> hm.. so for your ltsp server, what do you do?
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| 16:35 | <alkisg> You'll get prompted of course
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| 16:36 | I'm using network manager, and I just tell gnome that I don't want to use compiz
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| 16:36 | Also, if you use /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager will automatically stop messing with your network card
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| 16:36 | <andygraybeals> do you use two nics, one that provide dhcpd service to the clients?
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| 16:36 | aaaah.. really?
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> In some of the 250 schools here, yes, we use 2 nics
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| 16:37 | But we usually prefer the 1 nic setup. And if some one has 2 nics, we use them for bonding, to speed up things
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| 16:37 | <andygraybeals> aah you prefer the 1 nic setup, why is this?
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> It's easier
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| 16:38 | People can use a router for dhcp server, they can have fat clients without nat, they can dual boot to windows again without nat...
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| 16:38 | <andygraybeals> i dont' know how to do bonding yet :)
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> They can work on windows with the ltsp server turned off, etc etc
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| 16:38 | <andygraybeals> alkisg, okay cool.
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| 16:40 | <khildin> andy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwB_iV4K_7E
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| 16:41 | <andygraybeals> i was just reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
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| 16:41 | i will awatch the vidoe too :)
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| 16:41 | <khildin> :)
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| 16:48 | <andygraybeals> i was thinking that it might be a good idea to run ltsp-server in as a virtual machine, what are your thoughts in general about this?
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| 16:52 | * vagrantc runs everything virtualized | |
| 16:52 | <andygraybeals> nice
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| 16:52 | do you run drbd as well?
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| 16:52 | <vagrantc> depending on your hardware and technology, you might take a performance hit
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| 16:52 | haven't played with the hot failover stuff ... really should
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| 16:53 | <andygraybeals> do you use two seperate switches in case one dies?
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| 16:53 | <alkisg> vagrantc, why everything virtualized? I understand that for windows servers, but linux is sooo easy to migrate to other hardware...
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| 16:54 | <vagrantc> alkisg: to be able to create/remove/reboot servers over ssh, mainly
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> Ah, yeah, remote administration is a very good reason
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: and the flexibility it allows for dist-upgrades ... i can have a full system backup and revert pretty trivially
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| 16:55 | and have done so more than once
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| 16:55 | <khildin> maybe max used of hardware. Why have 3 boxes that each have a 5% resource use?
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| 16:55 | <vagrantc> that too
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| 16:55 | <alkisg> For backup, well, I do it do, with real hardware, just a tar locally, or tar | nc over network
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| 16:56 | <andygraybeals> vagrantc, do you use libvirt / kvm ? how do you revert back?
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| 16:56 | <alkisg> For LTSP we usually need 3 servers for 1 setup instead of 1 server serving 3 setups :D
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| 16:56 | <vagrantc> andygraybeals: mostly use xen, but am planning on switching over to libvirt with kvm
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| 16:57 | that said, our thin clients are served by an underpowered xen instance :)
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| 16:57 | <andygraybeals> alkisg, becuase yuor clustering it?
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> well, the application servers are underpowered ... the actual LTSP part of LTSP runs just fine on a virtual machine.
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| 17:03 | <andygraybeals> vagrantc, do you physically map a virtual nic to a hardware nic? on any of your systems?
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| 17:13 | <andygraybeals> alkisg, what bonding mode do you normally use?
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| 17:13 | it looks like there are 7 different modes, 0-6
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> andygraybeals: I documented my one and only experience with bonding there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
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| 17:14 | <alkisg> I helped other teachers here use bonding, but only remotely
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| 17:14 | <andygraybeals> thank you
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| 17:15 | <alkisg> bond-mode 0 => supported by all switches
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| 17:27 | <andygraybeals> is the command to disable gconf this: gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager --type string metacity
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| 17:29 | <alkisg> !disable-compiz
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| 17:29 | <ltsp> alkisg: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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| 17:30 | <andygraybeals> thank you
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| 22:17 | <Hyperbyte> I am so glad this part of the office move is finally done... http://twitpic.com/7ocqdp
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| 22:17 | :)
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| 22:31 | <andygraybeals> nice!!
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| 22:31 | what kind of cable organizer are you using behind the patch panel?
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| 22:32 | is it a simple arm, or something else?
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| 22:32 | <Hyperbyte> Arm?
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| 23:07 | <Hyperbyte> andygraybeals, I have no idea what you mean with 'organizer'
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| 23:08 | <vagrantc> cable management?
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| 23:08 | <Hyperbyte> The cables are going through an opening in the patch panel, and they're all bundled together with velcro, and then tied to the ceiling
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| 23:08 | Nothing really too fancy, I guess.
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