00:00 | <nubae> I noticed recently using zypper on suse, that its package names are quite nice too
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00:00 | I dont know what happened to ubuntu
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00:02 | johnny: I have 2.6.6 installed now
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00:02 | wanna play?
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00:03 | <johnny> i don't know.. i find gentoo's package naming much better than ubuntu
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00:03 | gentoo has slots
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00:03 | or fedora
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00:03 | i much prefer it
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00:04 | <nubae> yeah... something went wrong there with ubuntu...
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00:04 | so... u have a server up?
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00:04 | I have ejabberd installed here if u dont
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00:04 | <johnny> sure.. but what do we need a server for?
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00:04 | what's your jid?
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00:04 | you should be on my roster anyways :)
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00:05 | <nubae> well fuck a duck... of course I dont have libabiword compiled into it
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00:05 | so no sharing shows up
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00:06 | <johnny> isn't there a package for the jabber support?
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00:06 | pretty sure that's all i did on my gf's comptuer.. i see the collaboration menu on hers
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00:06 | <nubae> well it was there for 2.6.4
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00:06 | <johnny> i didn't try it myself tho.. i just wanted to see if it worked or not
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00:06 | <nubae> just not for 2.6.6 since I installed that from source to have the latest version
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00:07 | <johnny> next time.. build a dep.. or look for a ppa
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00:07 | s/dep/dev/
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00:07 | err deb
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00:07 | <nubae> there is not ppa
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00:07 | for 2.6.6
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00:08 | ubuntu is behind on that one too
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00:09 | <nubae> ah, stupid shit... even Jaunty has 2.6.4-5
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00:11 | ah... I just needed --enable-libabiword when configuring
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00:36 | <nubae> wow, installing abiword from source on ubuntu is no joke...
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00:36 | <warren> Ryan52: if you had not pushed yet, then I personally uncommit instead of resort to trickery.
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00:36 | <nubae> well, at least if u want support with its collaboration and spelling modules
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00:37 | <warren> Ryan52: (referring to reverting changes in bzr)
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00:37 | <Ryan52> yes
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00:37 | <warren> Ryan52: if you already pushed there is no going back, just commit new changes and march forward
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00:38 | Ryan52: I'm not worried about F-10's spec being proper for devel
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00:38 | Ryan52: I'm extremely careful about maintaining compat
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00:38 | Ryan52: and the fedora conditional was an earlier aborted attempt of a RHEL5 backport
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00:39 | <Ryan52> okay, that's what I had (sort of) thought, just wanted to make sure.
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00:51 | <nubae> no wonder no one packaged this up for sugar... it takes forever to get all the deps out
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00:56 | <johnny> nubae, aren't packagers supposed to take care of that?
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00:57 | you could have just built a package based off the most recent ubuntu package and up the versions
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00:57 | <nubae> yeah but supposedly they havent for 1.5 years now
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00:57 | think it was a security thing
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00:57 | anyway, I'm happy Im doing it now, cause then I can at least get sugar working 100%
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00:57 | even though it is a bit of a waste of time
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00:58 | i have to try to configure, then search for the dep, then install the -dev of it, then scroll up, look again, etc etc
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00:58 | and then move to to the plugins and extras directories and do the same there
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00:58 | its a total mess
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00:59 | <johnny> you could have just grepped out from the configure.ac
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00:59 | unless it was lying..
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00:59 | <nubae> well its just that its all over the place
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00:59 | its easier for me to do it this way methodically
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00:59 | <johnny> at least you'd get the list all together..
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00:59 | <nubae> yeah, but then maybe miss something or whatever...
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01:00 | but yes you are right, it would probably be faster
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01:00 | this is my configure line just for the plugins:
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01:00 | ./configure --enable-libabiword --with-abiword=../abiword-2.6.6 --prefix=/home/n--disable-all --enable-abicollab --with-abicollab-service-backend --enable-abimathview --enable-abicommand --enable-loadbindings --enable-presentation --enable-OpenDocument --prefix=/home/nubae
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01:00 | :-)
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01:04 | hmmm... sugarb bug tracker has a nice little system, connected to twitter, so that if u follow it, it will tweet the bugs to you via msn/gtalk to your account
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01:04 | could do that for ltsp too
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01:04 | bot could then paste them to the channel
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01:22 | <nubae> johnny: welp... so now everything is installed, all plugins and everything, but still no collaboration menu when I open it up...
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01:23 | <johnny> try adding --enable-all ?
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01:23 | oh.. you have --disable-all ?
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01:24 | <nubae> thats whats in the docs...
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01:24 | ah never mind, found it
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01:25 | u have to install the plugins afterwards from a weird directory that it installs them too
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01:25 | but now I get this on the collaborate menu: Could not load glade file '/usr/local/share/abiword-2.6/glade/ap_UnixDialog_CollaborationAccounts.glade'.
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01:46 | <nightrid3r> i have to setup an tlsp server but there's 1 windows vista pc that also needs connection to the ltsp server, you know of a windows client i can use, it must be very simple
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02:05 | <cyberorg> which package has pgdb in ubuntu? "ImportError: No module named pgdb"
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02:05 | it does not exist on any rpm distro
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02:07 | <nightrid3r> use rpmfind.net maybe you find a package there
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02:07 | <cyberorg> nightrid3r, i did http://rpm.pbone.net/ checked all
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02:08 | <nightrid3r> form ubuntu ----> File pgdb found in courier-doc, courier-maildrop, maildrop, python-pygresql
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02:08 | <cyberorg> python-pygresql sounds more like it
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02:09 | <nightrid3r> you can use !find in #ubuntu to look for files in packages
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02:09 | <cyberorg> cool, thanks
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06:53 | <kim123> hello
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06:53 | maybe someone can help me... I need to know which IP addresses have been assigned to ltsp clients
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06:53 | is the client list, recorded somewhere?
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08:29 | <Phille> Hello all, looking for some help with using ELO touchscreen on LTSP5(ubuntu8.10), thank you
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08:30 | <Gadi> Phille: USB or serial?
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08:31 | <Phille> Serial, I set the X_TOUCH_DEVICE to the correct port, but no reaction from the touch
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08:32 | on ltsp.org I found this option : X_TOUCH_DEVICE, but it is not documented on what values to set. I'm not sure if that param is needed or not?
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08:32 | <Gadi> Phille: do this:
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08:33 | sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg -l |grep elographics
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08:34 | if that returns nothing, you should first do:
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08:34 | <Phille> Ok, done that now. (I feel like newbie though I've been using Ubuntu for a long time now...)
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08:35 | <Gadi> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-elographics
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08:35 | <Phille> indeed, no return from the chroot ... command
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08:35 | <Gadi> and then: sudo ltsp-update-image
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08:35 | after the image rebuilds, add to lts.conf:
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08:35 | CONFIGURE_X=True
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08:35 | USE_TOUCH=Y
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08:36 | that should at least get you working
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08:36 | then, you can add calibration parameters
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08:36 | note: if you do not have lts.conf, make one in: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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08:36 | <Phille> Man, thanks a lot! I don't understand why this stuff isn't documented more detailed on the web.
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08:37 | <Gadi> format is ini format
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08:37 | <Phille> I've been searching for weeks for a guide or some steps to follow
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08:37 | <Gadi> Phille: well, there are a lot of lts.conf params to tweak things, and the docs are lagging a bit
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08:38 | especially for touchscreens
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08:38 | especially since the touchscreen support may likely change with the changes in Xorg and evdev and such
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08:41 | <Phille> Ok, that is true
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08:41 | do you have a link were to find more info on the chroot ... install .. command you sent me,
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08:41 | I'm curious about what other modules and such I can get working with the thin clients
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08:42 | <Gadi> well, your chroot is simply a minimal ubuntu, using all the same ubuntu packages as your server
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08:42 | you can add any package into the chroot, simply by chroot'ing into it and using all the usual commands
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08:43 | ie, as soon as you: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 you are in the chroot environemnt
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08:43 | and can apt-get update, apt-get install, etc
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08:43 | then, after you exit the chroot, you can reroll the image sent to the client with ltsp-update-image
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08:44 | that stuff is documented well, I think
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08:44 | :)
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08:44 | !ubuntu
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08:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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08:44 | <Phille> wow, that is a fun toy :) thank you so much for that info
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08:44 | <Gadi> !docs
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08:44 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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08:44 | <Phille> I did realize that probably the touch driver was missing, but had no idea on how or what to try
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08:44 | <Gadi> LTSP is a unique project, as we are worked on by reps of most major distros
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08:45 | and some things are distro-specific, while others are common
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08:46 | <Phille> I came from ltsp 4.2 about two years ago, installed that in my distro and is working fine until now.
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08:47 | now I'm testing the Ubuntu with LTSP integrated, up until now it was a lot easyer with LTSP already integrated into the distro
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08:47 | but then again, Ubuntu is new to me
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08:47 | <Gadi> ah
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08:47 | what did you use before?
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08:48 | <Phille> Thank you for the links, I'm copying a lot of info and links :)
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08:48 | Suse
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08:48 | with LTSP 4.2
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08:48 | <Gadi> ah
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08:48 | <Phille> but support for localdev was hard to get working,
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08:48 | <Gadi> suse has a sorta fork of ltsp called kiwi-ltsp
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08:48 | !opensuse
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08:48 | <ltspbot> Gadi: "opensuse" is http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
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08:49 | <Gadi> they basically use upstream stuff, but have their own commands for managing things
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08:49 | <Phille> indeed, I also tried that, and was very handy with the iTalc tool, but somehow I got cought-up with Ubuntu
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08:49 | mainly because my colleagues pushed me :)
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08:49 | <Gadi> gotcha
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08:49 | well, we are the UN here
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08:49 | so, feel free to pop in for help
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08:50 | <Phille> Great! thank you so much for your help, you gave me a lot of info to try out!
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08:50 | <cliebow> Gadi Rocks!!
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08:50 | <Phille> indeed, Gadi rocks :p
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08:51 | <Gadi> pleasure
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08:51 | <Phille> have a great weekend btw!
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09:51 | <cliebow> s!
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09:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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11:08 | <warren> sbalneav: how long ago did development on LTSP 4.2 stop?
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11:10 | <ogra> 3 or even 4 years
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11:11 | <warren> so roughly 2005?
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11:11 | 2004?
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11:11 | <ogra> ubuntu 5.10 was the first ubuntu release carrying ltsp5 ... when we started development on it 4.2 wasnt developed anymore
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11:11 | there was no overlap
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11:11 | <warren> when was that?
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11:11 | <ogra> so end 2004, beginning of 2005
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11:11 | <warren> ok thanks
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11:11 | <ogra> ubuntu version numbers are (200)Y.MM
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11:12 | * Gadi seems to recall a period of overlap | |
11:12 | <ogra> (so its easy to guess from that)
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11:12 | Gadi, i dont think there was 4.2 development after the sydney UDS
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11:12 | and 5.0 development started there
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11:13 | <Gadi> sydney was only 5.0?
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11:13 | <ogra> jim did one kernel update for 4.2 about 6 months after the first ltsp5 release
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11:13 | <nubae> http://www.ncoretech.com/products/ia/mobilis/index.html
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11:13 | possible thin clients?
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11:13 | <etyack> last update 4.2 update 4 8/06
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11:14 | brief history on this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
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11:14 | <ogra> etyack, right, that was the kernel update i was talking about
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11:14 | in oct 2005 the first 5.0 release came out
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11:14 | <Gadi> so, we really are talking end of 05 beginning of 06
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11:15 | <ogra> so it was not 6 but 10 months after that when jim did the kernel security fix
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11:15 | Gadi, UDS was in april 05
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11:15 | there ltsp5 was specced and nobody worked on 4.x anymore
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11:16 | <Gadi> ogra: u remember the history from the ubuntu perspective
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11:16 | <ogra> scott just had finished teh first ltspfs which was the last thing going into 4.2 before
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11:16 | <Gadi> :)
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11:24 | <ogra> Gadi, i just think i dont count bugfix maintenance as development while you do :)
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11:25 | <nubae> so.... about those mobilis terminals...u think they could be good clients?
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11:25 | link above ^^^
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11:26 | <ogra> nubae, how could anyone tell after only a picture ... there are no tech specs anywhere
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11:28 | who knows if it hasnt an ATOM CPU with the new pulsbo graphics chipset ... which is worse than nvidia
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11:29 | <nubae> oh, I thought there were specs there too... sorry
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11:29 | <ogra> for specs contact us :P
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11:30 | great marketing strategy :P
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11:31 | <nubae> yah well, they're Indians
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11:31 | <warren> ogra: is pulsbo better than i945?
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11:32 | <ogra> warren, if you accept having a fully closed driver, having to compile your own libdrm and the like, it saves a lot of power, yes
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11:32 | <warren> closed!?
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11:32 | <ogra> (oh and indeed the in kernel drm needs a rebuild of your kernel as well)
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11:32 | yes
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11:32 | its worse than nvidia
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11:32 | <warren> indeed
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11:33 | <ogra> intel only used pulsbo in MID like devices yet ... but netbooks will surely come
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11:35 | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2008/08/compal_jax10_aigo_p8880_quick_review.html ... typical pulsbo device ... funnily it additionally has a closed touchscreen driver as well
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11:44 | <nubae> heh... check it... American bloggers: http://bitsandpieces.us/2009/01/29/man-eating-catfish/
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11:53 | <etyack> For all you facebookers out there, i created a Linux Terminal Server Project group. Can't hurt to try and reach >150M people
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11:54 | <nubae> etyack: cool
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11:54 | we should make one for twitter, giido, technorati, and aceti.ca too
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12:16 | <etyack> Twitter is LinuxLTSP
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12:25 | <cliebow> i dont facebook..but damned if i could figure out how tro join on the one account i created..
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12:33 | <npman> Can anyone out there recommend a low-cast scanner that works well with LTSP on Ubuntu Hardy?
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12:33 | <johnny> just look for linux..
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12:34 | if it works with linux.. it'll work with ltsp
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12:34 | i just use the one built into my hp all in one
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12:34 | <warren> npman: My friend has a portable Canon Canoscan LIDE something, works great powered entirely off of USB and works with xsane.
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12:34 | npman: check out xsane.org for compat lists
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12:34 | <npman> cool... thanks...
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12:35 | <ogra> LIDE 120 ... works fine i have one
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13:19 | <dmaran> I am having afunny issue with ltsp going back to the login screen while trying to use a rsync command to copy over/update users home directories. The command in is a file called 95_rsync_home and has the correct permissions. If I take it out I can log in fine but with it in there it fails back to the login screen.
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13:19 | it is /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ oops
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13:20 | <ogra> look in ~/.xsession-errors
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13:21 | and also note that the Xsession.d scripts are sourced, not executed
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13:22 | <dmaran> !pastebin
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13:23 | <ltspbot> dmaran: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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13:23 | <dmaran> !pastebot
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13:23 | <ltspbot> dmaran: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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13:23 | <Gadi> dmaran: you cannot overwrite ~/.Xauthority
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13:23 | with your rsync
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13:23 | if you are, don't
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13:23 | :)
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13:23 | thats the problem
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13:23 | <dmaran> Taht may be it
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13:24 | <ltsppbot> "dmaran" pasted "xsession-errors" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/227
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13:24 | <dmaran> looks like it
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14:25 | <warren> _UsUrPeR_: CAN-o-SPAM ping
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14:25 | <re-G> CAN-o-SPAM: i sent mail u. have you checked that? ..now i will write better script
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14:37 | <Lns> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/30/1437233 - looks like we might be in for some heavy competition in the field of thin client computing soon :)
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14:48 | <CAN-o-SPAM> warren still here?
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14:58 | <vagrantc> well, gadi's patches to set XDG_DATA_DIRS almost seems to work... doesn't appear to copy the files over, though.
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14:58 | <nubae> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Rs_500-laptop_display_on_Feb_3/articleshow/4049914.cms
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14:59 | some more detailed infor on te $10 lpatop from India
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15:53 | <warren> Ryan52: when you build the new ldm, don't forget to add BuildRequires: iso-codes
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18:47 | <vagrantc> while gadi is away, vagrantc fixes the allegedly cleaner localapps_menu stuff
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21:02 | * Ryan52 still gets python tracebacks... | |
21:02 | <Ryan52> on my completely rewritten thing to generate the file.
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21:03 | anybody willing to look at it? :)
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21:03 | <TheProf> Ryan52: Would you happen to know how to cat something to a device attached to a client?
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21:03 | * Ryan52 tried the encode thing, but failed | |
21:04 | <Ryan52> TheProf, add "SCREEN_10=shell" to lts.conf, reboot the thin client, and switch to virtual console 10. then do stuff there.
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21:05 | * Ryan52 assumes you're doing it for debugging.. | |
21:05 | <TheProf> Ryan52: ok. I've got the shell screen on the client. I seem to remember that not all the files are accessible from the thin client -- it seems to have only a subset of the files from the server
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21:05 | yes exactly for that.
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21:06 | <Ryan52> yes, it's only the things in the chroot.
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21:06 | are you using nfs or nbd?
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21:06 | <TheProf> nfs
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21:06 | so i think it
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21:06 | is in /opt/i386, etc
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21:06 | <Ryan52> yes.
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21:07 | so just "sudo cp /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl"
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21:07 | on the server.
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21:07 | and then you'll have access.
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21:07 | <TheProf> perfect. I will try it now. thank you!
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21:16 | Ryan52: It seems to be almost working! It accepted the firmware.
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21:16 | Just need to see if now that will make it print
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21:18 | <TheProf> IT WORKED!!!!
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21:18 | Sheesh it's a MIRACLE!
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21:18 | <Ryan52> YAY! :)
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21:22 | <TheProf> Seriously. I was going nuts.
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21:22 | now i'm just printing because I can :)
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21:22 | this is wicked.
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21:23 | <Ryan52> heh
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21:23 | <TheProf> Ryan52: the solution was running that command from the client shell. Is there a way to do that automatically when the client boots each time?
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21:24 | <Ryan52> lemme check if there's an ltsp way before I tell you the general way.
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21:24 | <TheProf> Thank you I appreciate it
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21:26 | <Ryan52> okay, looks like there is not. so edit /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/setup-printer with your editor of choice.
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21:26 | do you only have one system with a printer? or is there something disinguishing with this system?
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21:27 | (that way it only loads it on this thin client)
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21:27 | <TheProf> I've got it assigned to a specific thin client by mac and ip address
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21:27 | <Ryan52> okay, so then just to be sure, add this to your lts.conf first:
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21:28 | [mac:addr:goes:here]
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21:28 | SETUP_PRINTER=true
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21:28 | <TheProf> I've got a [mac] entry for this client within lts.conf so I will append that line to it.
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21:28 | <Ryan52> or, nevermind, that was stupid.
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21:29 | just add "RCFILE_00=/usr/local/bin/setup-printer" to that section.
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21:29 | <TheProf> OK. forgotten :)
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21:29 | <Ryan52> no need for anything extra.
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21:29 | then go back into /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin/setup-printer and add whatever commands you ran manually.
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21:30 | and it should be ran on startup for that system.
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21:31 | <TheProf> hmm..my /opt/ltsp/i386/usr has no local under it
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21:32 | is there a file within that I can search for to see where it is?
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21:33 | <Ryan52> you should have one...
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21:33 | but no, in this case you aren't editing a file.
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21:33 | you are creating one.
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21:33 | so just make the directories needed.
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21:33 | <TheProf> so I'll create the local/bin/ directories and create the setup-printer file
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21:33 | <Ryan52> yep
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21:34 | <TheProf> do I need to make the executable or any fancy permissions?
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21:34 | <Ryan52> probably need to make it executable
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21:40 | <TheProf> sorry took a while to figure out how to make executable. I did a chmod -X setup-printer
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21:40 | <Ryan52> +x..
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21:41 | <TheProf> in it are two lines -- a comment with a # in front and the cat command itself.
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21:41 | argh sorry, yes it was +x
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21:41 | my mistake.
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21:41 | <Ryan52> you coulda just asked me how to do it :)
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21:41 | <TheProf> alright so now I reboot the client and test
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21:41 | <Ryan52> yep.
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21:42 | <TheProf> can I see the script being run someplace?
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21:42 | or I'll just know if it prints which is good enough :)
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21:42 | <Ryan52> ya
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21:48 | <TheProf> Ryan52: Nope. Didn't run the command. I just tried to print and it didn't go. same as before. ran the command manually and it worked
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21:48 | let me just check if I made a mistake in the setup-printer file
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21:49 | this is the command in lts.conf
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21:49 | RCFILE_00=/usr/local/bin/setup-printer
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21:50 | this is what is in the setup-printer file located at /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/bin
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21:50 | # File to run the cat firmware > usb printer for the computer lab HP LJ 1000
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21:50 | cat /usr/share/foo2zjs/firmware/sihp1000.dl > /dev/usb/lp0
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21:51 | the file has the attributes 100755 root root
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22:01 | <TheProf> I think I might know the problem
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22:02 | <TheProf> Ryan52: Got it!
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22:02 | 1) I was missing that !/bin/bash line at the top
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22:02 | <TheProf> 2) there was a sample file included in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.d that lets you
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22:03 | run scripts at client boot.
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22:03 | <Ryan52> for ltsp specific stuff?
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22:04 | <TheProf> yes
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22:04 | it has a file called sample that gave some steps. the same thing you said really
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22:04 | <Ryan52> weird, I didn't know that existed.
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22:04 | <TheProf> only difference was it needed an RC number from 01 to 10
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22:04 | <Ryan52> oh.
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22:04 | <TheProf> so I changed it to 01 and put the setup file in that directory.
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22:05 | but thank you
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22:05 | I may just have to print more to try it again it's so great.
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22:19 | <TheProf> Ryan52: thanks for all your help! Off to reboot to test everything.
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