IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 16 June 2010 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | <slidesinger> The error message has now changed: Jun 16 01:09:56 ss in.tftpd[2305]: cannot bind to local socket: Address already in use
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| 00:05 | Trying to troubleshoot that one.
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| 02:33 | <alkisg> Good morning
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| 02:41 | <maslak> is thare an possibility to biuld ltsp-client using other distro than is installed on my ltsp machine and serve different distros to selected clients
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| 03:37 | <alkisg> maslak: the distro is served by the server, not the chroot
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| 03:37 | Unless you use fat clients, that is...
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| 03:38 | So even if you had 5 different chroots, each one from its own distro, the users would still be seeing the server distro
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| 03:44 | <maslak> alkisg : maybe you don't understand what i ment. I want to run ubuntu enviroment as it is now, but want to have some debian-baset thin clients with some speciffic apps (we talked ab. one of those yesterday / today at night) that's what i want to get - my users will be using simple ltsp configuration, but some diskless stations are going to be just for my testing purposes ...
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| 03:46 | <alkisg> I probably don't :) Could you tell me in bullet style what distros do you need? e.g. (1) ubuntu server (2) ubuntu clients with gui (3) debian clients without gui - or something similar?
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| 03:58 | <maslak> ubuntu server + ubuntu based clients + debian based clients as my toys ;)
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| 03:59 | <alkisg> maslak: will you be needing debian GUI on your toy-clients?
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| 03:59 | If so, you'd need a second server, as the GUI is offered by the server
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| 03:59 | <maslak> i don't wanna mess up with my working ltsp env.. toy-clients will be console only machines... no connections via X...
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> OK, then yeah, that would work
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| 04:00 | <maslak> but how to make it happen ;P
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> One way that would certainly work would be to build the chroot in a debian server, and then copy it :)
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| 04:03 | <maslak> ;]
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| 04:06 | <alkisg> It *might* also work if you do `DIST=sid ltsp-build-client`, but I've never tried that.
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| 04:08 | <maslak> won't work - already tested ;)
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| 04:09 | i was wondering if i temp change in /etc/apt/sources.list and then bould ltsp-chroot ...
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| 04:41 | <alkisg> maslak: `sudo debootstrap sid /path/to/chroot` worked fine for me in Lucid though. What was the error message in ltsp-build-client? About the mirror?
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| 05:07 | <maslak> ok ;) now i know howto do that ;) sudo ltsp-build-client --dist lenny --mirror http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ --chroot %name%
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| 06:26 | <maslak> -whowas alkisg
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| 06:27 | alkisg : i've notcied some problem while building client chroot chroot: nie można uruchomic polecenia `locale-gen': No such file or directory
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| 06:27 | any sugesstion why / how to fix ?
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| 06:27 | exact whole command: sudo ltsp-build-client --dist lenny --mirror http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/ --chroot kamery --purge --locale pl_PL --prompt-rootpass
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| 06:30 | <dobber> maslak try `chroot /opt/ltsp/i386`
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| 06:30 | `dpkg-reconfigure locales
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> maslak: and next time try pl_PL.UTF-8
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| 07:22 | <maslak> ok. chroot made ok. now i'd like to serve 2 different kernels... (now it's getting default ubuntu kernel, alb when i run ltsp-update-image it builds only one i386...)
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| 07:43 | <dobber> maslak two different kernels on one chroot enviroment ?
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| 07:45 | <maslak> dobber : two different kernels & different chroots server at one machine
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| 07:46 | <dobber> can you ltsp-update-image --arch [i386/am64/etc]
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| 07:47 | <maslak> firs is that i'd like to biuld debian chroot env under ubuntu
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| 07:47 | everytime i try to do that there's a problem with locale ....
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| 07:48 | locales* - and i get message that sth went wrong...
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| 07:52 | <dobber> paste in pastebin.com what are you trying to do
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| 08:00 | <maslak> dobber : http://pastebin.com/bNm0zxp7
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| 08:01 | dobber : http://pastebin.com/fNC14GHB
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| 08:09 | <cliebow> anyone tell me how to get around size mismatch error in apt-get?
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| 08:09 | <dobber> maslak why are you giving a debian mirror if you try to make an ubuntu system ?
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| 08:10 | <maslak> ok, once again ;)
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| 08:10 | <maslak> i want to have 2 independant chroots, one for my normal ltsp enviroment, other just to run debian system form network
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| 08:11 | on ubuntu i want to have standard ltsp 5 config, on debian i want to have debian-based zoneminder sollution
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| 08:13 | <elias_a> maslak: On the same machine?
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| 08:13 | Seems a bit challenging...
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| 08:17 | <cliebow> Gadi: ive come across the size mismatch issue in apt-get install..can you explain this?
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| 08:18 | <Gadi> cliebow: am I on trial here?
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| 08:18 | :)
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| 08:18 | good morning, btw
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| 08:18 | <cliebow> g ood morning..
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| 08:18 | no trial..
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| 08:19 | <Gadi> "maybe he was an early riser and just liked to pack in the morning." ... "I am an intelligent man, but I cannot speak intelligently about the travel habits of others."
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| 08:19 | <cliebow> hwhwheeh
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| 08:19 | <Gadi> "Now, is this really what you called me here to explain? Phone calls and foot lockers?"
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| 08:19 | <cliebow> i must have seen the wrong movie
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| 08:20 | <Gadi> "Please tell me you have something more. These two me are on trial for their lives. Please tell me that their lawyer hasn't pinned their hopes to a phone bill."
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| 08:20 | <cliebow> wow..."What in the hell did you do That for?
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| 08:21 | <Gadi> hhe
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| 08:21 | what?
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| 08:21 | <cliebow> So that is how this thing got up a tree
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| 08:21 | <Gadi> lol
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| 08:21 | anyhow, do an apt-get update
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| 08:22 | <cliebow> I really love that move
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| 08:22 | i did do so
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> ah - whats the error exactly?
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| 08:22 | <maslak> elias_a : yes ;) same machine ;)
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| 08:22 | <cliebow> size mismatch
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| 08:22 | <Gadi> can you paste the lines?
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| 08:22 | <cliebow> and tried --fix-missing
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| 08:23 | i wil when this thing stops pulling stuff
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| 08:23 | <Gadi> ok
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| 08:23 | <cliebow> if i catch you..great..if not then so be it..dont wait up for me 8~)
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| 08:27 | <dobber> maslak try to add the option `--early-packages locales` in your ltsp-build-client command
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| 08:27 | and see if it changes anything
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| 08:34 | <cliebow_> Failed to fetch http://drbl.sourceforge.net/drbl-core/pool/drbl/stable/freedos/freedos_1.0-14drbl_i386.deb Size mismatch
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> cliebow_: I believe that means that they did not update their repository properly
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| 08:35 | <cliebow> for example
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| 08:35 | i see..
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| 08:35 | <Gadi> the size that the header file tells apt that the package is is different than its actual size
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| 08:36 | if there is another repo (like a mirror of that one) that you can try, trry it
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| 08:36 | <cliebow> okeydokey..i thought it was me..usuallly is
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| 08:36 | <Gadi> *try
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| 08:48 | <dobber> cliebow also try downloading this file with wget and place it in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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| 08:48 | and then apt-get ...
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| 08:48 | apt-get will see the file in your directory and does not download it
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| 08:59 | <cliebow> i was just thinking of that
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| 09:04 | <dobber> did it work ?
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| 09:09 | <cliebow> yeah..so far
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| 09:25 | <elias_a> maslak: Are you running both chroots at the same time?
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| 12:12 | <maslak> elias_a : that's what i want to do
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| 12:53 | <mordocai> Hello again everybody! I'm completely done with the testing phase for getting LTSP ready for our kiosks here at the Community College I work for. However, we have one small problem. They currently have a unified print server that has a centralized database allowing certain computers access to certain network printers. I have sent an e-mail asking for a detailed account of exactly how the printers are set up, but was wondering: How c
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> mordocai: your sentence was too long and it was cut in "but was wondering: How c"
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| 12:56 | <mordocai> Hmm... the webchat client keeps doing that... i need to remember that it does. Xchat at home doesn't -.-. Anyways, that was "How can I either connect to something like this/replicate it with LTSP kiosks?"
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| 12:58 | <grantk> Hello, I was wondering if anyone has seen anyone making the ability to change passwords available from the xdm?
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| 12:59 | I am setting up a password policy for my users via an ldap server and would like to make their passwords expire at certain times but if they do not change before that they would be blocked from loging onto their terminals to do so.
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| 13:01 | <Lns> mordocai: it totally depends on how that database is set up and whether Linux can 'talk' to it or not
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| 13:01 | <alkisg> grantk: you mean ldm?
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| 13:01 | <grantk> sorry, ment LDM ,
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| 13:02 | <mordocai> Lns: That's what i figured. Hopefully i'll get an answer soon.
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| 13:02 | <grantk> meant, wow, can not type right now.
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| 13:02 | <alkisg> grantk: this will be done when sbalneav finds some time to reimplement ldm with libssh2
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| 13:03 | <grantk> cool, I was going to be slightly less aggressive to get around this, but I was thinking I might be able to add the option to run a python script to change the password to the options menu
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| 13:03 | just been about 5 months since I played with the themes and could not remember if I had seen anything like this.
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| 13:27 | <mordocai> Okay, so apparently they have a windows server that shares all the printers. Then, they use a login script that goes up to a Microsoft SQL database, looks up the computer, finds what printers are supposed to be accessed from that computer, and enables them. I assume this would be possible with a similar script on linux?
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| 13:28 | <grantk> no script needed, you could do that with CUPS
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| 13:29 | <mordocai> Hmm... okay. I'm not familiar with cups beyond just the GUI and adding a local or network printer to my own box... looks like i have some research to do then :)
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| 13:32 | Any chance there is a HOWTO relavent to waht i want to do?
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| 13:33 | wow, relevent*
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| 13:33 | <grantk> ahh, I doubt it, cups is a bit of a pain in the ass
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| 13:33 | <mordocai> Lol
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| 13:33 | <grantk> excuse the language, forgot where I was.
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| 13:34 | <mordocai> Meh, doesn't bother me personally anyways.
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| 13:34 | <grantk> with their latest version per user restriction is really easy
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| 13:35 | <grantk> mordocai: are they still going to use windows machines? if so you could probably restrict them using samba as well
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| 13:35 | <mordocai> grantk: Yeah, the kiosks will be the minority in the system. Most will be Windows 7 machines.
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| 13:35 | <grantk> http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L265+THow-To+Q
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| 13:36 | mordocai: you could still track the computers in MS sql database and write a script to create your cupsd.conf and schedule a cronjob to update/restart cups.
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| 13:38 | <mordocai> Hmm... okay. The script idea will require the least changes i think... so i'll probably try that. (Even though it's probably not the best solution). The less i have to deal with the windows guys, the better...
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| 13:39 | <grantk> hah, yeah I agree.
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| 13:52 | <bieb> good afternoon
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| 14:17 | <cliebow> bieb:!!
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| 14:18 | <bieb> chuck how are ya?
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| 14:19 | <cliebow> oh fading fast here..been banging my head a lot today
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| 14:19 | long weekend coming up
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| 14:19 | ..for me..
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| 14:20 | Sunday off..more or less
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| 14:20 | <bieb> well that will be good for you.. take some time off
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| 14:20 | <cliebow> might get a Mexican Feed out of Fathers Day 8~)
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| 14:22 | <grantk> cliebow: Thanks for that reminder, was going to forget Fathers day!
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| 14:22 | <bieb> ohh you have lobster too often to want it for fathers day?
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| 14:23 | <cliebow> havnt had any since bts..!
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| 14:23 | <bieb> Wow
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| 14:23 | <cliebow> remember i had to bring a pipe clamp in to break into that sucker
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| 14:24 | <bieb> my son and I were at the grocery store here the other day.. and they have these little lobster tails for $6.99 each.. and the extended per pound price would have been $37.50 =-O
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| 14:24 | <cliebow> Wow..i think boat price is about 4.50 a pound...
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| 14:25 | dave thomas can ship em ups anywhere!!
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| 14:25 | <bieb> he have a website?
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| 14:25 | <cliebow> thomaslobster i think
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| 14:27 | googling works
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| 14:27 | <bieb> you were right
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| 14:28 | <cliebow> still pretty pricey time as you get em shipped
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| 14:28 | <bieb> its the shipping that is getting you there
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| 14:28 | <cliebow> for sure.
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| 14:28 | <bieb> jumbo's are 7 - 9 a pound
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| 14:29 | not bad..
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| 14:29 | but damn UPS
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| 14:30 | <cliebow> heh..
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| 14:30 | <bieb> but if you look at his sample.. 6 1.5lb lobsters to NYC is $66, thats $11 a piece
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| 14:31 | <cliebow> i suppose not that bad..i read it wrong..jammcq had him ship some to rochester last year for a get together
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| 14:32 | he must be at fisl..
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| 14:32 | <bieb> what is fisl?
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| 14:33 | <elias_a> maslak: How much torque do you have in your server..... ZM is not lightweight in CPU load either.....
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> software libre..but it is in brazil..where thwy have meat..and churascarias
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| 14:34 | <bieb> cool
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| 14:34 | <cliebow> he damn near killed me with food in san francisco a
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| 14:35 | my gut went south..all the restrooms were either locked or had someone living in it
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| 14:35 | <bieb> ohhh
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| 14:36 | <cliebow> june 21 to 24..so maybe he ans Scotty havnt goone
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| 14:37 | gotta run..c ya ..
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| 14:38 | <bieb> has anyone in here done an LTSP presentation lately??
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| 15:00 | <elias_a> bieb: Yes. Why?
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| 15:01 | <bieb> I am presenting at a legal education conference next week and would like to see if there is anything I should add to my presentation
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| 15:05 | <bieb> elias_a: did you present recently?
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| 15:05 | <Ghidorah> Does anyone know how to change the default gnome theme in for all users
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| 15:06 | <Appiah> gconf would be one way
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| 15:07 | <elias_a> bieb: A few months ago.
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| 15:08 | The latest presentation was in Finnish.
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| 15:08 | <elias_a> Sept 2009 is the latest I held in english.
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| 15:48 | <bieb> elias_a: you can send both to me.. Google translate would help me with the Finnish presentation
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| 15:49 | <johnny> Lns did a presentation iirc
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| 15:49 | in english
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| 15:50 | <bieb> !seen Lns
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| 15:50 | <ltspbot> bieb: Lns was last seen in #ltsp 2 hours, 49 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <Lns> mordocai: it totally depends on how that database is set up and whether Linux can 'talk' to it or not
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| 15:51 | <johnny> Lns is right here
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| 15:51 | i think that bot is broken
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| 15:51 | <bieb> damn bot
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| 15:52 | Lns: you awake?
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| 15:52 | <Lns> bieb: here..
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| 15:53 | what do ya need, info on ltsp or..?
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| 15:54 | <bieb> well I did the install last year of ltsp in my lab.. so I am presenting on it this year. So would love to see the presentation you did for it.. I want to make sure I fill that hour with good info and enthusiasm..
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| 15:54 | I am also going to do a live demo..
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| 15:55 | <Lns> bieb: let me dig some stuff up
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| 15:55 | <bieb> was going to try to do an install while talking.. but cant get it down to 30 mins
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| 15:56 | <Lns> bieb: There's the video i did here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3u44VeX73M
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| 15:56 | <bieb> Cliebow recommended doing it like a cooking show.. let them see the initial install stuff.. then cut to the finished product
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| 15:57 | Lns: did you have any slides or handouts?
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| 15:57 | <Lns> bieb: yeah hold on
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| 15:58 | bieb: http://logicalnetworking.net/other/LTSP-Presentation.odp
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| 15:58 | feel free to download and modify
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| 15:59 | that goes for anyone here obviously
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| 15:59 | <bieb> cool
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| 15:59 | Lns: what time will you be around here tomorrow?
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| 15:59 | <Lns> same time generally
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| 15:59 | depends..why?
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| 16:00 | <bieb> ok.. I will try to catch up with you then if I have any questions or want to bounce an idea or 2 off of you.. I gotta head out and get my son to roller hockey
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| 16:00 | <Lns> cheers
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| 16:01 | <bieb> thanks
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| 16:01 | and thanks for the info...
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| 16:01 | later everyone!!
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| 16:02 | <johnny> Lns, i hope that was ok.. i was assuming you didn't mind based on based conversations
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| 16:03 | <Lns> johnny: not at all
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| 16:03 | glad to help others, you guys have all helped me so much, it's the least i can do to give back
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| 16:04 | <Lns> since i'm not a coder guru or anything i can help with marketing/info stuffs
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| 16:23 | !intel
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| 16:23 | <ltspbot> Lns: Error: "intel" is not a valid command.
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| 18:47 | <Lns> I can't seem to get google chrome going as a localapp, anyone here have success?
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| 18:47 | it installed in the chroot fine but when i call it via 'ltsp-localapps google-chrome' nothing....happens....heh
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| 18:58 | <Lns> whup..ok ssh_follow_symlinks = false in lts.conf might help
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| 19:02 | <Lns> nope...that didn't help. ugh..oh well
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| 21:28 | <sweetpi> Can anyone point me to an article about using ltsp over wireless?
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> !wireless
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| 21:43 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "wireless" :: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WirelessLtsp
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| 21:43 | <vagrantc> short answer: forget it
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| 21:43 | long answer: it's a good deal of work
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| 21:44 | <sweetpi> I got a 404 on that page
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| 21:45 | I didnt really think it would be that bad. If I can bring up the wireless connection from the initrd that is.
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| 21:48 | I'm not worried about pxe booting, just booting the kernel and initrd on the client and bring up wireless and mount over nbd.
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| 21:50 | vagrantc: Is it a latency issue from wireless that the short answer is "forget it"?
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| 21:52 | <vagrantc> oh, right. that's the old wiki
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| 21:53 | <sweetpi> yeah, I read one article that suggested using a wireless bridge.. I dont really see the advantage other than pxe boot
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| 21:53 | <vagrantc> latency definitely a problem. also that all wireless machines on the same network share bandwidth
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| 21:55 | <sweetpi> Im only aiming for 2-3 laptops, so hopefully it wouldnt be that bad
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| 21:59 | I would just try it, but im not sure how to bring the drivers and wpasupplicant into the initrd image
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| 22:01 | <vagrantc> that's the other part of "it's a good deal of work"
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