IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 25 June 2014 (all times are UTC)
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| 05:39 | <gagan> Hello everyone,
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| 05:39 | I am pretty new to LTSP and thinclients
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| 05:39 | I have 2 thinclients
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| 05:39 | I want them to work with an ubuntu operating system
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| 05:40 | could anyone please guide me what extra add ones are required
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| 05:40 | and a rough idea how to do that ?
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| 07:26 | <work_alkisg> gagan: so you are looking for the documentation?
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| 07:26 | !docs
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| 07:26 | <ltsp> docs: For the latest community documentation, see the LTSP wiki at http://wiki.ltsp.org/ For a PDF with official documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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| 09:18 | <gagan> work_alkisg, Hi :) sorry the internet got disconnected
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| 09:18 | Okay first thing is I want to know
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| 09:18 | is there anything I need to install on thinclient ?
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| 09:18 | <work_alkisg> No
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| 09:19 | <gagan> work_alkisg, it has some "Similar to windows xp" UI
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| 09:19 | its an HP thinclient
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| 09:20 | Okay :) I don't need to install anything on the client itself.
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| 09:20 | It means I have to install the ltsp on my Server which in this case is my laptop
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| 09:20 | <work_alkisg> Yes
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| 09:20 | <gagan> correct ?
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| 09:20 | I see
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| 09:44 | work_alkisg, and on my server
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| 09:44 | I need to install
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| 09:44 | sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
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| 09:44 | and it says now create an ltsp client
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| 09:44 | what is the use of this client image
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| 11:21 | <matthias_> hi, i want to install virtualbox on ubuntu 12.04 Lts fat clients. i did: sudo apt-get install virtualbox virtualbox-qt virtualbox-dkms virtualbox-guest-dkms after a restart it says when i want to start a VM: kernel driver not installed, but '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' does not exist
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| 11:37 | <matthias_> i am also getting a exit code 1 NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) error
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| 13:19 | <championofcyrodi> matthias_: you might have better luck putting virtual box on a stand alone machine, and use the FAT Clients to connect remotely to the VM with RDP/X11/NX/SSH
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| 13:31 | also, why is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-settings-daemon/+bug/1320286 NOT an issue with LTSP project if it only happens with LTSP Fat Client?
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| 14:23 | <||cw> championofcyrodi: crap like that is why my next fresh install is not going to be ubuntu. all they seem to do anymore is shuffle and twist unless it's a security vuln.
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| 14:25 | they still don't see the intel video driver not offering true 720p on a 11" laptop as a problem, even though the windows driver does. specifically, for mirroring to projectors.
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| 14:43 | <championofcyrodi> ||cw: I have found CentOS to be stable and well supported.
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| 14:46 | <||cw> except for that one time when they rolled back a perl version and didn't roll back all the packages that depended on the newer version
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| 14:46 | it'll likely be debian proper, or maybe mint
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| 14:49 | <vagrantc> mint inherrits a lot of what ubuntu does, for better or worse, just by virtue of using mostly ubuntu packages without modification
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| 14:50 | <||cw> I know. but there is also modification
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| 14:50 | ubuntu also uses a lot of debian packages without modification as well
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| 14:50 | <ogra_> yeah, they tend to change libs in mint without bumping the ABI
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| 14:51 | (while they in fact bumped it ... launchpad is full of fallout bugs from that)
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> ||cw: not actually true, they rebuild all of them. mint doesn't.
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| 14:51 | <||cw> IMO, rebuild isn't a modify
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| 14:51 | <vagrantc> it is if you're using a different compiler with different defaults
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| 14:52 | <ogra_> or a newer libc
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| 14:52 | <||cw> how much does that really matter?
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| 14:52 | sometimes a lot, but mostly...
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| 14:53 | <vagrantc> bugs are only problems when they are problems.
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| 14:53 | they're fine all the other times.
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| 14:53 | <ogra_> it does matter for compatibility ... you cant just use debian packages in ubuntu ...
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| 14:53 | and it shouldnt be possible for mint to use ubuntu packages since they change underlying libs without rebuilds
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| 14:53 | which causes all sorts of issues
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| 14:53 | * vagrantc didn't know mint changes ABI without marking it as such | |
| 14:54 | <ogra_> they patch gtk and stuff
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| 14:54 | if they would mark their API/ABI break as they should the ubuntu packages wouldnt be installable pproperly
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| 14:54 | but to still have them installable they dont ...
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| 14:55 | * vagrantc sighs | |
| 14:55 | <ogra_> which causes broken binary behavior at times
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| 14:55 | <||cw> but the issues with ubuntu isn't so much bugs, but choices, and redirection, and buck-passing
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| 14:55 | <ogra_> (this is what all that "canonical asked mint to license binaries" was about ... )
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| 15:10 | * ben_nabiy sighs... | |
| 15:15 | <vagrantc> ben_nabiy: :)
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| 15:16 | <ben_nabiy> vagrantc: Hello!
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| 15:18 | vagrantc: Do you have any thoughts as to why firefox, thunderbird and pidgin would stop working?
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| 15:23 | <vagrantc> they release too early, and too often?
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| 15:26 | <ogra_> lol
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| 15:26 | <ben_nabiy> hah!
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| 15:26 | vagrantc, too common sense...
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| 15:28 | * ogra_ would suggest reading logs FWIW | |
| 15:28 | <ogra_> probably ~/.xsession-errors has some info
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| 15:29 | <ben_nabiy> ogra_ do you mean your conversation about mint ?
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| 15:29 | or do you mean system logs?
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| 15:30 | <ogra_> ben_nabiy, no. your question about FF, TB and pidgin
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| 15:30 | <ben_nabiy> heh, system logs do not produce much, I did not think about .xsession-errors. thanks :)
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| 15:30 | <ogra_> :)
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| 15:32 | <ben_nabiy> nothing there
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| 15:33 | I am running strace on thunderbird and pidgin to see if I can find what is locking them up, but it makes the execution of them so much slower...
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| 15:34 | thunderbird is in uninterruptible state, but kill -9 works on it
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| 15:46 | <ben_nabiy> any thoughts on hard drive issue? If it is having trouble reading the particular part of the hard drive, would it cause uninterruptible status?
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| 15:47 | (process:12245): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
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| 16:04 | hmm pidgin works now.
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| 17:51 | <bennabiy> welcome alkisg!
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| 17:51 | <alkisg> Hi bennabiy, hi all
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| 17:52 | <bennabiy> alkisg: Did you try out 17 for your input issue?
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| 17:53 | <alkisg> bennabiy: it worked ok with regards to layout switching, it did have a couple of other minor issues, and I'm still not sure what's the best way forward with the schools here...
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| 17:54 | We might stick to 12.04 with the old xorg and the new trusty kernel, and then switch to debian+mate
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| 17:54 | It depends on a lot of things, I don't know yet what we'll do
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| 17:54 | * bennabiy nods | |
| 17:55 | <vagrantc> alkisg: i happen to know a debian developer who'd be happy to help! :)
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| 17:56 | <alkisg> :)
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| 17:58 | <bennabiy> heh
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| 18:42 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, hi... what's generally issue if someone gets initramfs error?
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| 18:43 | That's what someone is telling me... I can't recall the exact error.
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| 18:44 | <vagrantc> usually misconfigured dhcp
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| 18:44 | though there was a recent bug in ubuntu that caused problems with NBD
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| 18:44 | but essentially, it means it can't mount the root filesystem
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| 18:45 | <bennabiy> Hyperbyte, depends on the point, but I remember encountering it a lot when NBD needs to be force-reload ed
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| 18:46 | <Hyperbyte> bennabiy, this disconnects clients, right?
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| 18:47 | <bennabiy> yes
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| 18:48 | <Hyperbyte> I've had this before I think, with mistaches between PXE boot trying to look for NBD mount "ltsp_i386" and NBD mount name being "/opt/ltsp/i386" in the nbd config
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| 18:48 | *mismatches
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| 18:48 | <bennabiy> The way to tell if it is nbd related is to clear the plymouth screen and see if it is coming up with an error trying to find root device
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| 18:49 | <Hyperbyte> I'm not physically there.
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| 18:49 | Which doesn't help.
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| 18:49 | <bennabiy> hmm
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| 18:49 | ssh and then virtualbox terminal pxe boot?
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| 18:49 | s/ssh/x2go/
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| 19:01 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: what version? 14.04?
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| 19:11 | <championofcyrodi> I have had to bounce the nbd-server twice in the last 40 days...
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| 19:11 | (14.04)
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| 19:12 | in 12.04 I was getting weird issue on i386 image in that the nbd size was being reported as [1-5] petabytes in size, and that i needed to get a 64 bit machine to support.
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| 19:13 | which didnt make any sense because the ltsp server only had a 1.2TB /
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Just a mishandled negotiation, nothing serious... :)
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| 19:14 | Probably a wrong nbd configuration
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| 19:15 | !learn nbd-trusty-bug as https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1330671
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| 19:15 | <ltsp> The operation succeeded.
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| 19:18 | <vagrantc> !nbd
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| 19:18 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'nbd', but I do know about these similar topics: 'disable-nbd-proxy', 'nbd-proxy', 'nbd-compression', 'quick-nbd-tests', 'nbd-client', 'nbd-server-bug', 'nbd-trusty-bug'
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| 19:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, yeah... strange is that person rebooted client again and problem went away
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| 19:28 | * Hyperbyte shrugs and goes to bed | |
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| 21:56 | <ageis> im not entirely clear on something. in terms of the applications and software that I want to be able to run on thin clients, is this supposed to be installed in the thin client .img, or does it use whats on the host machine? it seems like it uses a mix. is the .img just supposed to be bare bones or should one include all the software in there
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