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06:39 | <urly> hi! I have a sound issue, no local sound on clients. More exactly, sound seems to break when I start running any kind of sound client app. Some idea ?
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06:40 | <work_alkisg> Which distro/version? Are you using localapps?
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06:41 | <urly> ubuntu 12.04 64 for the server, image 32 non-pae, localapps true
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06:43 | <work_alkisg> Does sound work when you don't use any localapps?
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06:46 | <urly> localapps is set to true but I don't use anyone. So no. Do you have sound at greeter or login ? I don't
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06:48 | On 10.04 I have sound at greeter with the same thin clients
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06:52 | <vagrantc> might be related to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2483
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06:52 | fairly easy to patch manually
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06:52 | it's a one-line patch
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06:54 | <urly> I know yet this trick but it doesn't work for me
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07:19 | <urly> vagrantc I'm doing a fresh install right now 12.04.3 64 desktop with a ltsp-server-standalone to retry the module-suspend-on-idle setting
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07:24 | <vagrantc> good luck! :)
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07:31 | <work_alkisg> vagrantc: hi! do you think I should disable launchpad translation commits for ltsp-trunk, and to only enable them temporarily when we want to tag a new version? like we currently do for ldm-trunk?
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07:33 | <vagrantc> work_alkisg: seems like it...
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07:33 | work_alkisg: or switch back to a translation branch that we manually merge?
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07:34 | or rather than switching back, switching to?
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07:34 | then we can merge commits into batches, so they only show up as merge commits
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07:34 | <work_alkisg> That will also do - although I'm not quite sure how to do it, so if you could, it'd be nice :)
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07:35 | * vagrantc wonders if launchpad has a way to auto-merge branches | |
07:35 | <vagrantc> kind of like mirror, but if it diverges, merge instead.
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07:35 | that would be perfect.
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07:36 | <work_alkisg> Hmm yeah there will be need to sync the translations branch with the main branch once in a while...
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07:36 | ...so it might be easier to just disable translation commits, and only enable them a bit before tagging
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07:37 | <vagrantc> can people still translated it, but it just doesn't auto-commit?
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07:37 | <work_alkisg> Yes
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07:37 | <vagrantc> oh, that'd be perfect
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07:37 | <work_alkisg> I'll try temporarily reenabling ldm-trunk translation commits for 2 days (the weekend), to see the effect in action
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07:37 | Hopefully it will do a couple of commits with all the translations done in the last months when it was disabled
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07:38 | <vagrantc> rather than thousands of commits
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07:40 | what if w just branched off a separate branch, called ltsp-translations, let it collect translations, and merge between the two as we felt like it?
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07:57 | <work_alkisg> I think that has more burden for us, because we'll need to merge both ways instead of one way
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07:57 | <vagrantc> true
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07:57 | although the merge into the translation branch could be automated...
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07:57 | work_alkisg: but i like your first proposal good enough... hopefully it won't flood the branch with lots of little commits
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07:58 | <work_alkisg> Let's see what ldm-trunk does this weekend when I'll reenable translation commits
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07:58 | * work_alkisg was to go AFK for a while, bbl! :) | |
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12:12 | <cosimo_> ciau
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13:10 | <markit> !seen alkisg
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13:10 | <ltsp> alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <alkisg> ...why not let everything get automounted to <client>/media like usual, and then forward all the /media directory to the server?
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13:11 | <markit> !seen phantomas
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13:11 | <ltsp> phantomas was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 12 hours, 17 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Phantomas> (ubuntu)
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13:12 | <markit> hi, anyone fighting with the printer (cups) problem that makes printer disappear if you keep a LiBo document open more than 20 minutes? ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048 )
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13:53 | <edwin_> good morning everyone
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13:54 | does anyone here has a ubuntu 12.10 ltsp enviroment working with thin clients?
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13:54 | my problem is get flash to work with local firefox or chrome
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13:58 | <edwin_> anyone?/
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13:58 | <alkisg> Sure, it's working out of the box here with ltsp-pnp
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13:58 | !ltsp-pnp
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13:58 | <ltsp> ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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14:01 | <edwin_> yeah but that means everything is running in the server
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14:01 | my problem is with local firefox
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14:01 | if I open it normally it works like charm
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14:01 | <alkisg> No, it runs on local firefox
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14:04 | <edwin_> what do you mean it runs local ?
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14:07 | <alkisg> It runs like an ltsp localapps on the ltsp client
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14:07 | I mean the same thing that you mean. The only difference is that we're using fat clients and you're using localapps, but that's essentially the same method.
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14:07 | LOCALAPPS=True + firefox is the same as LTSP_FATCLIENT=True + firefox.
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14:08 | And flash is working fine this way.
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14:08 | <edwin_> oook
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14:11 | lets say I have a ubuntu 12.10 installation already
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14:11 | isn't there a way to solve this
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14:11 | just make youtube work!!!!!!!
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14:11 | <alkisg> You probably didn't install flash correctly in the chroot
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14:12 | <edwin_> apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
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14:13 | after ltsp-chroot
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14:13 | <alkisg> No, flashplugin-installer
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14:15 | <edwin_> let me try that
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14:17 | anything else that needs to be isntall?
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14:19 | <alkisg> No idea, ubuntu chroots have --no-install-recomments and cause a lot of problems, that's why we're not using them
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14:19 | (one of the many reasons)
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14:19 | <edwin_> which distro you use?
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14:21 | <alkisg> Ubuntu but with the debian version of LTSP, see the link above
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14:22 | <edwin_> what about fedora?
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14:26 | <alkisg> They don't actively maintain ltsp there
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14:28 | <edwin_> got it
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14:29 | I foloowing the link you gave right now
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14:29 | be back with more question hehehee
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14:52 | <markit> hi alkisg :)
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14:52 | <alkisg> hi markit
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14:52 | <markit> I've a problem (for ltsp) and a request (for epoptes)
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14:52 | the problem first :)
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14:52 | I've not faced it yet, but did a friend of mine
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14:53 | "anyone fighting with the printer (cups) problem that makes printer disappear if you keep a LiBo document open more than 20 minutes? ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048 )"
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14:53 | did you faced it too and maybe solved?
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14:53 | <alkisg> There's a workaround proposed there
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14:53 | <markit> yep, increase the timeout
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14:53 | but is also stated that creates other problem (i.e. with adobe acrobat reader if I recall correctly, that I don't use but my friend probably does)
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14:54 | <alkisg> What problem with reader?
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14:54 | <markit> wondering if you are going to backport the cups fix in your greek repo by chance
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14:54 | let me re-read the post
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14:54 | <alkisg> I didn't experience the problem myself, and the one that does is very far away, so I can't test easily
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14:56 | <markit> "Any news of when this might be fixed? Increasing the CUPS timeout apparently caused problems with Acrobat Reader so that's not an option for us."
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14:56 | ok, I will tell my friend to increase timeout and cross his fingers :)
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14:57 | alkisg: I've been asked if epoptes could be used in a "linguistic laboratory", the main features necessary are
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14:57 | (let me translate from italian)
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14:58 | "one or more users can talk to the mic and the other can listen but not speak themselves"
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14:58 | and
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14:58 | "the teacher can speak, play and audio or video file and everyone can hear in the headphones with mic muted"
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14:58 | <alkisg> Nah, you'd need bigbluebutton for that
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14:59 | <markit> videoconference?
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14:59 | <alkisg> Yeah
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14:59 | <markit> mmm interesting
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14:59 | <alkisg> There's computer management, and there's lesson management
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14:59 | <markit> did not thought about it
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14:59 | <alkisg> ...I think we'll stick to the computer management for epoptes
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15:00 | No "sending activities, receiving them, grading them, conferences..." etc
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15:00 | <markit> I see
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15:00 | <alkisg> For opensource, that's the best one: http://www.bigbluebutton.org/
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15:00 | For closed source... google hangouts :)
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15:00 | They even allow for live streaming over youtube to thousands of users
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15:00 | <markit> can't read your second sentence ;P
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15:01 | <alkisg> :D
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15:01 | <markit> you should update epoptes roadmap
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15:01 | <alkisg> Not me, phantomas :)
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15:01 | <markit> btw, be able to distribute files is not planned then?
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15:01 | (I think "activities" you mentioned is that)
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15:02 | <alkisg> Some of the closed source "alternatives" to epoptes support sending activities,
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15:02 | this isn't the same as sending files,
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15:02 | because activities are per student, not per pc, they support grades etc
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15:03 | With sch-scripts' "shared-folders" feature, sending and receiving files is not very important anymore, that's why we're not in a hurry to implement it
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15:04 | And with x11vnc -threads, multicasting isn't very important either
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15:04 | etc etc :)
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15:05 | <markit> but we (the world) don't use sch-scripts, so something is needed by us... hope phanthomas has some time (and you agree in) doing some improvements
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15:06 | btw, better bigbluebutton than openmeetings?
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15:06 | * alkisg also hopes Phantomas does some improvements, no disagreement here | |
15:06 | <markit> (bigblue is going to use html5 and be flesh free, that is great from my Freedom POV)
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15:07 | <alkisg> I haven't actually tried openmeetings, so I can't comment there
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15:08 | I don't like java much though, except maybe for the android stack
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15:08 | * markit agrees a lot | |
15:11 | <markit> have you ever configured bigbluebutton with ltsp thin (probably does not work fine) and fat?
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15:13 | <alkisg> Why wouldn't it work on thins?
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15:13 | It's flash so it's heavy, but other than that...
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15:14 | <alkisg> I tested it a bit and I saw I could only support up to 8-10 users with my core 2 duo server,
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15:14 | so I switched to google hangouts instead :)
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15:15 | <edwin_> after ltsp-config dnsmasq no more internet
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15:15 | I manually enter a dns in resolv.conf
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15:15 | <alkisg> markit: my first requirement is "have something that works", it being open source comes later in the requirements... :)
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15:15 | <edwin_> where should i make this permanent
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15:18 | <markit> alkisg: seems also that needs ubuntu 10.04 64 bit, so is not installable in the ltsp server itself
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15:18 | alkisg: google hangout needs internet fast connection I guess, and we have not
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15:19 | but if you tell that bluebutton is so powerhungry, I think is also a limit for many situations (needs dedicated server + has to be powerfull)
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15:20 | edwin_: 12.04?
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15:20 | <edwin_> 12.10
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15:20 | <markit> if so, you shuld never touch /etc/resolv.conf since is a symlink
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15:20 | and you should edit /etc/network/interfaces instead
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15:20 | <edwin_> I know but I didn;t know what else to do
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15:20 | <markit> dns-servers parameter
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15:21 | I don't know if ltsp-config (never used it) breaks something
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15:21 | I know dnsmasq now during installation should put the correct hooks to resolver stuff
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15:21 | or do you use network manager?
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15:22 | in that case, I've no idea
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15:23 | <edwin_> ok
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15:23 | <alkisg> markit: google hangouts needs a bandwidth similar to youtube
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15:24 | So, no, not a log, but ADSL is needed
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15:24 | s/log/lot
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15:25 | <edwin_> question
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15:25 | <markit> alkisg: let me recap... the teacher uses hangouts so his video is sent to google, and the students see it, so for 10 students you have (1 + 10) * (video+audio) bandwidth neede?
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15:25 | <edwin_> why do I need dnsmasq for the debian ltsp to work in ubuntu?
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15:25 | <markit> with 20 pc sounds a huge requirements
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15:25 | <alkisg> markit: can your students all go to youtube and watch something?
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15:26 | <markit> no
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15:26 | if they try, they hang
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15:26 | I've at the best 4mb/sec for all the school, and 24 pc
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15:27 | maybe they could, but at lowest resolution, not full screen
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15:27 | <alkisg> So yeah you need a local solution
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15:27 | <markit> alkisg: sure, but I wonder how YOU can make it work
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15:27 | <alkisg> I don't think google hangouts is smart enough to detect local links
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15:27 | I'm using it for remote situations :)
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15:27 | <markit> ah, sorry :)
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15:27 | <alkisg> Me at my work, and teachers at their homes
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15:28 | But we also have some schools with 50 mbps internet links
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15:28 | So if I need to, I go and use one of those
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15:29 | <markit> best italian (average) situation is in regions with 5.6mb/s, you figure... and my region has one of the lowest.. I've a school in a town with 640Kb/s max
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15:30 | <alkisg> 2mbit is the average here
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15:30 | We only have a few with fiber, getting 50mbit
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15:33 | <markit> ehm, bigblue seems not possible too then, due to previous cited constrains... so no way to add audio sharing capabilities like does with video? :P
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15:44 | <edwin_> question
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15:44 | I am following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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15:44 | installation was ok
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15:44 | but having two issues
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15:45 | after ltsp-config dnsmasq I have no internet, i use wireless managed by network manager
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15:45 | 2- it seems that eth0 is no the one serving ltsp
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16:02 | <markit> edwin_: ah, sorry, never used the -pnp
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16:03 | you mean that you have no "cable" internet?
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16:03 | <edwin_> I am working in a laptop
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16:03 | test enviroment
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16:04 | wlan0 internet , eth0 dhcp ltsp stuff
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16:04 | <markit> so your laptop has cable ethernet card to the switch, and you are reaching internet through wifi?
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16:04 | ok
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16:04 | so "I've no internet" means...? from the clients?
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16:05 | <edwin_> in the server
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16:05 | I am thinking in installing fresh edubuntu
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16:05 | <markit> that is your laptop
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16:05 | <edwin_> and start from scratch
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16:05 | <markit> you could do some basic troubleshooting
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16:06 | become root with sudo -s
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16:06 | and do
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16:06 | route -s
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16:06 | route -n
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16:06 | (sorry, -n)
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16:07 | destination 0.0.0.0 should list the router host, like 192.168.1.1, your access point ip
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16:07 | try to ping it
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16:07 | <edwin_> good
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16:08 | <markit> does it reply?
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16:08 | <edwin_> yeap
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16:08 | <markit> now ping 8.8.8.8
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16:09 | <edwin_> I manually entered 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf
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16:09 | but I know thats temporary
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16:10 | have you tried fedora?
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16:10 | k12
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16:11 | <markit> edwin_: I've limited time, just do what I told you
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16:11 | does ping 8.8.8.8 get a reply?
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16:12 | <edwin_> yes I said I manually entered nameserver 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf
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16:12 | thats why Is working again
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16:12 | <markit> does not matter at all now
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16:12 | ah, I see
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16:12 | so was just a dns issue
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16:12 | <edwin_> if I restart no internet again
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16:12 | <markit> I told you to ping 8.8.8.8 just because is easy to type
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16:13 | I could have entered a different public ip
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16:13 | are you using the network manager?
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16:14 | since 12.04 ubuntu uses a customized instance of dnsmasq for network manager, don't know how it behaves with normal dnsmasq also installed
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16:20 | <edwin_> I will try a fresh fedora install
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18:26 | <edwin_> anyone here has a fedora enviroment ?
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18:33 | <work_alkisg> Meh, stupid lightdm preventing teachers from shutting down the server when other users are logged in... (even if it's just a crashed xorg session on a thin client that was powered off 2 hours ago...)
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18:33 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/861171
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18:34 | <edwin_> anyone fedora?
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