IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 6 March 2013 (all times are UTC)
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| 00:42 | <joules> hi, whats peoples impression with newer DE's with rendered (composite) graphics? This network (100mbit) struggles a bit with kde4.
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| 06:07 | <bakytn> Hello guys! In a testing period I would like to be able to edit chroot environment without running ltsp-update-image everytime I make changes.
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| 06:08 | I know that using NFS would work. But how to tell thin clients to use NFS instead of currently using NBD? Configurations? or should I completely rebuild my ltsp?
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| 06:15 | <work_alkisg> !release
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| 06:15 | <ltsp> release: please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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| 06:21 | <bakytn> alkisg, sorry, it's Ubuntu 12.10 chroot is i386 not sure about LTSP version
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| 06:21 | I am following this tutorial now, hope it'll work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
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| 06:27 | where is i386/etc/default/ltsp-client-setup is located in latest version of LTSP?
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| 06:37 | <alkisg> bakytn: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server on the server, export /opt/ltsp/i386 in /etc/exports,
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| 06:37 | and then sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg
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| 06:37 | There you'll see many entries. The first one is NBD, the second NFS. Switch them.
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| 06:38 | The UbuntuLTSP wiki is extremely out of date, it either needs a maintainer or someone to delete it :)
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| 06:40 | <bakytn> alkisg, so there's no need to update ramfs then?
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| 06:40 | alkisg, cool, trying.
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| 06:41 | alkisg, getting just a black screen
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> !quietsplash
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| 06:44 | <ltsp> I do not know about 'quietsplash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'quiet-splash'
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| 06:44 | <alkisg> !quiet-splash
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| 06:44 | <ltsp> quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
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| 06:46 | <bakytn> alkisg, btw alkisg, while you are here, please can you direct me on how to customize the login screen? what I want is to have 2 inputs on the same page (login, password)
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| 06:47 | <alkisg> bakytn: you'd need to recompile the ldm greeter (it's in .c)
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| 06:47 | Or just wait until ltsp6 and lightdm...
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| 06:48 | <bakytn> alkisg, cool, sorry for this shameless question..when is ltsp6 coming?
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| 06:48 | <alkisg> Noone knows; but next week we're supposed to have a hackathon to start ltsp6
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| 06:49 | <bakytn> super!
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| 06:49 | <alkisg> I imaging it'll be there for the next debian stable version, and maybe in ubuntu too if the MIR stuff doesn't make all devs leave ubuntu...
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| 06:49 | <bakytn> alkisg, yeah I heard about MIR..
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| 06:50 | alkisg, about NFS. it was loading almost fine until it stuck on "cannon create /etc/hosts: Permission denied"
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| 06:50 | full line: "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm 93: /usr/share..."
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| 06:51 | full line: "/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm 93: /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm: cannon create /etc/hosts: Permission denied""
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| 06:52 | <alkisg> It should be writeable at that point, I don't know why it isn't, it needs troubleshooting
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| 06:52 | (debugging the ltsp code)
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| 06:54 | <bakytn> can the problem be in nfs? here is the line: "/opt/ltsp/i386 *(no_subtree_check,no_root_squash)"
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| 06:57 | add rw option working fine
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| 06:58 | phew.
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| 06:58 | <alkisg> No, you shouldn't do that
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| 06:58 | I'm guessing the problem is in the tmpfs mount over the nfs mount
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| 06:58 | Maybe it's not working with overlayfs and it needs to have aufs forced...
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| 06:58 | With NFS rw you're letting the client "destroy" your chroot
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| 06:59 | <bakytn> alkisg, got it
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| 07:58 | <bakytn> do you know why I am able to login with login/password but can't sudo from ltsp session? (note: I am in sudoers)
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| 07:58 | I can't change my password either
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| 07:59 | <muppis> Trying to do it at server or client?
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| 08:00 | <bakytn> muppis, at server
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| 08:01 | muppis, or...better with example: I boot with thinclient to LXDE session. Run terminal (not a localapp) and then try to passwd (to change my password)
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| 08:01 | muppis, I played with LTSP a lot before (a year ago ro so) and haven't faced any issue
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| 08:02 | release is: Ubuntu 12.10 am64, chroot is i386 with lubuntu,kubuntu,xubuntu desktops installed
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| 08:04 | <muppis> Odd.
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| 08:04 | <bakytn> muppis, that's not normal right? I mean..may be tehre something changed in one year
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| 08:08 | <muppis> With thin client you should be able to do things at server like you're locally logged in, as you might already know that. :D So no, that's not normal that you can't change your passwd or do sudo.
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| 08:09 | Unless you didn't mistype something in sudoers file.
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| 08:21 | <bakytn> muppis, no I didn't..
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| 10:02 | <bakytn> how to enable encryption? I set LDM_DIRECTX=False on lts.conf and tcpdump is not showing encryption information (Ubuntu 12.10 amd64, chroot i386)
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| 10:21 | <bakytn> is LDM_DIRECTX actual on latest versions of LTSP?
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| 10:22 | <zajactom> wow! so many people loged in ;-) greetings to all
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| 10:23 | <bakytn> hey!
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| 10:23 | can you help me with this: http://pastebin.com/9Rzngf2C
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| 10:32 | <zajactom> I wish, but that is way above to my knowladge ;-)
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| 10:36 | <markit> bakytn: yes it is
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| 10:37 | <bakytn> markit, thank you for your response! but how can we explain that ti's not encrypted?
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| 10:38 | <markit> bakytn: ?
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| 10:38 | with LDM_DIRECT = true you have NOT encrypted
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| 10:38 | <bakytn> markit, I am setting LDM_DIRECTX=False and was expecting that whole traffic to be enrypted
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| 10:39 | <markit> ah, sure, it should (and slow down a lot)
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| 10:39 | have you rebooted the client?
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| 10:39 | <bakytn> markit, yes!
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| 10:39 | <markit> and how can you tell that is not encrypted? should go through ssh tunnel AFAIK
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| 10:39 | <bakytn> markit, is it really really feasible to try to encrypt everything? or there any other security options in ltsp
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| 10:40 | markit, I was using tcpdump sudo tcpdump -i eth0 host <thin client ip> and port 22
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| 10:40 | markit, I was running it right form the server
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| 10:40 | <markit> bakytn: I need performances not security, so I'm not expert on this... the only option I've used is ldm_direct=true
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| 10:40 | <bakytn> markit, ok
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| 10:40 | <markit> and you don't see traffic with tcpdump?
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| 10:41 | <bakytn> markit, I see traffic only when I login and logout
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| 10:41 | <markit> mmm I'm at work, can't test in my home ltsp installation
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| 10:42 | try without port 22
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| 10:42 | maybe they connect encrypted with a different port?
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| 10:42 | <bakytn> markit, yeah I thought so too but didn't check :)
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| 10:42 | markit, one moment
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| 10:44 | markit, I see the traffic but not sure if it's "encrypted" or not
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| 10:47 | <markit> bakytn: I've cheked my notes
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| 10:47 | you are right, you have to check port 22
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| 10:47 | may I see your lts.conf (pastebin)?
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| 10:47 | have you put ldm_direct under [default] ?
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| 10:47 | <bakytn> http://pastebin.com/hpXv055P
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| 10:48 | wait. is it LDM_DIRECT or LDM_DIRECTX?
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| 10:48 | it's the latter one on all docs I found
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| 10:49 | <markit> LDM_DIRECTX
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| 10:49 | I was lazy typing
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| 10:49 | <bakytn> the: "X_MODE_0 = 1024x768" part is just for me to verify that lts.conf is processed
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| 10:50 | <markit> as far as I remember, LDM_DIRECTX=false is the default in any case
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| 10:50 | so that's really odd
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| 10:51 | <bakytn> markit, yeah.
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| 10:51 | <markit> and you are sure that that lts.conf is processed (maybe somewhere else you have LDM_DIRECTX=True ;P)
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| 10:51 | <bakytn> markit, it's NFS, but I don't think that it could somehow related
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| 10:51 | markit, good question. one moment
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| 10:51 | <markit> is it FAT or Thin client???
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| 10:52 | <bakytn> markit, how to find out? lol I mean..it's just a ltsp-build-client
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| 10:52 | markit, it's thin client I guess
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| 10:52 | <markit> ok, because fat don't produce ldm traffic
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| 10:52 | afaiu
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| 10:53 | <bakytn> markit, then I wouldn't see the ldm traffic when login/logout right?
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| 10:53 | <markit> you still see ldm traffic at login/out
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| 10:53 | <bakytn> I have another lts.conf which is on /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 10:53 | <markit> because authentication is done against the server in any case
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| 10:53 | <bakytn> markit, yes I see ldm traffic at login/out
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| 10:54 | <markit> bakytn: are you using ubuntu or debian? version?
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| 10:54 | <bakytn> markit, ubuntu 12.10
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| 10:54 | <FrozenZia> Argh. Hey all. Trying to follow instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp and getting an error already when just trying to add the Greek schools ppa. Tips?
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| 10:54 | <bakytn> FrozenZia, hey, which error?
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| 10:54 | <markit> bakytn: and you are editing /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf right?
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| 10:54 | <bakytn> markit, yes.
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| 10:55 | <markit> bakytn: last test, reboot the server ;P
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| 10:55 | sorry, I've no more ideas on this issue
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| 10:55 | <bakytn> markit, :-P
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| 10:55 | markit, why not.
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| 10:55 | <FrozenZia> bakytn: Exception in thread Thread-1, then a bunch of references to python files, then "ValueError: cannot convert float NaN to integer"
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| 10:55 | <bakytn> markit, remembering some Windows times
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| 10:56 | FrozenZia, do you have right Python?
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| 10:56 | <markit> yep, good format c: also
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| 10:56 | <FrozenZia> 12.04 fresh install. What should it be?
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| 10:56 | <markit> bakytn: btw, I've ltsp on 12.04, even if I dubt that 12.10 is a problem (except some bug on ldm_directx part ;P)
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| 10:57 | <FrozenZia> bakytn: 2.7.3 looks to be the version
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| 11:02 | <bakytn> FrozenZia, looks ok
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| 11:04 | <elias_a> FrozenZia: Nice to seeyou around! :)
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| 11:04 | <FrozenZia> hmmm... Bug #1063350... checking this out...
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| 11:05 | elias_a: hello hello hello!
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| 11:06 | <bakyt> reboot didn't help lol
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| 11:07 | markit, you don't have possiblity to quickly test this? :D
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| 11:07 | anybody has any possibility to test LDM_DIRECTX=False?
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| 11:08 | <markit> bakyt: I'm 80 Km far away from my home, sorry
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| 11:09 | <bakyt> markit, ok
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| 11:09 | <markit> bakyt: I guess you have graphical traffic on port 6007, right?
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| 11:09 | <bakyt> markit, is it udp?
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| 11:09 | <markit> or can you check when moving mouse/windows if you have a burst of traffic ?
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| 11:10 | bakyt: don't know if udp or tcp, my notes don't tell me
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| 11:10 | probably I was using wireshark on the server just to check what is happening
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| 11:10 | you will have NBD traffic (the "hard disk" one) and the X-Window one
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| 11:11 | X-Window one should be on ports like that
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| 11:11 | <bakyt> markit, I am using NFS for now
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| 11:11 | no traffic on 6007
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| 11:11 | ok let me use wireshark
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| 11:13 | <markit> nfs not only for homes? you using "the debian way"? no ltsp-update-image?????
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| 11:13 | then you don' thave to modify THAT lts.conf
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| 11:13 | but the other one
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| 11:14 | in any case, do a # find / -name lts.conf and modify all the ones you find
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| 11:16 | <markit> bakyt: if you use "the debian way" (no NBD), the right file is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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| 11:16 | AFAIR
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| 11:16 | <bakyt> markit, how to find out if it's a Fat or Thin?
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| 11:17 | <markit> there should be a ltsp-info maybe
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| 11:17 | try ltsp-TAB completion from bash
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| 11:17 | and see if there is a name that suggests to give info back
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| 11:19 | <FrozenZia> bakyt: confirmed that that bug (and the Q&D-workaround that just got posted about 5 hrs ago) was my problem (and solution!)
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| 11:19 | <markit> or go on the client, open some programs and see if in the server you can see such processes
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| 11:20 | <bakyt> markit, ltsp-cluster-info is just showing ip and other general info
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| 11:21 | markit, man, if I got LibreOffice installed on chroot it means that it's fat client right? :D
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| 11:21 | markit, if it were installed on server. then it would be thin client right ? (as calculations would be made on server side only)
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| 11:22 | <markit> bakyt: yep, very probably
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| 11:22 | <bakyt> markit, so my server os is: Ubuntu server edition with no desktops installed
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| 11:22 | markit, so it means that I have FAT CLIENT
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| 11:22 | <markit> YES
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| 11:22 | <bakyt> markit, ok. now it makes sense.
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| 11:23 | <markit> ltsp-build-client should produce a thin chroot by default
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| 11:23 | <bakyt> markit, yes, when I first tried to login it was showing a command prompt (shell)
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| 11:23 | <markit> maybe the default is different in 12.10?
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| 11:24 | <bakyt> markit, no no it makes sense. I installed lubuntu-desktop on chroot and NOT on server side
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| 11:24 | markit, so it 100% fat client then.
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| 11:24 | <markit> in any case, run libreoffice from the client and with # ps axu see if the process is there
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| 11:24 | if not, you are sure on FAT
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| 11:24 | <bakyt> markit, no process on server (of course)
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| 11:24 | markit, I am FAT (OMG)
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| 11:24 | :D
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| 11:24 | thanks man
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| 11:24 | <markit> you are welcome
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| 11:25 | at least it has a rational explaination ;P
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| 11:25 | no format c: needed ;P
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| 11:26 | <bakyt> markit, I think fat clients rules...more reliable and less problems to my mind. the only thing is you need to get better devices that's it
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| 12:06 | <FrozenZia> Question about LTSP-PNP... If I have some instructions about "normal" ltsp which say to install something in /opt/l
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| 12:06 | tsp/i386/usr/local/bin/...
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| 12:06 | but I'm using Ltsp-pnp -- then I'm thinking I just install said file into /usr/local/bin, isn't that right?
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| 12:07 | (and then create a new client image with ltsp-update-image)
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| 12:55 | <alkisg> FrozenZia: right
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| 12:56 | ltsp-update-image -c /
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| 13:44 | <FrozenZia> ...and if I make changes to lts.conf, does that also require a ltsp-update-image?
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| 13:44 | I was thinking that not.
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| 13:51 | <FrozenZia> Question becomes, can I use RCFILE-parameters in my lts.conf with ltsp-pnp?
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| 14:51 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 15:27 | <mgariepy> good morning sbalneav
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| 15:28 | how are you?
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