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Channel log from 27 December 2006 (all times are UTC)
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| 02:56 | <vagrantc> !checklist
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| 02:56 | <ltspbot> vagrantc: "checklist" is The checklist for debugging problems with local device access is at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Troubleshooting. Please work through all 12 steps, record the results, and paste the results to the pastebot at http://pastebot.ltsp.org
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| 03:00 | <sep> thanks :)
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| 03:00 | <vagrantc> sep: a lot of them aren't applicable ...
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| 03:00 | sep: but some of it's similar.
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| 03:03 | very little of it is similar, actually...
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| 03:03 | step 5.
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| 03:04 | steps 5, 7, 9 ... that's about it. heh.
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| 03:43 | <Jenna> Hi, my users complain about their usb drives often not working, although they are detected but dont show any data in the folder (dynamically created on the desktop). but they do work in windoze. I gather k12ltsp has all the apps/utilities incorporated into it and works out of box, and I dont have to dig into FUSE realated stuff. what could be worng here. any ideas ?
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| 03:51 | * vagrantc needs to figure out how to override upstream ltspfs's 88-ltsp.rules | |
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| 04:52 | <openUSE10> what is the way to loadLocal Apps on ltsp 4.2?
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| 04:52 | do i hav to hav a fast client CPU? or a P1 100MHz will do?
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| 04:53 | <vagrantc> depends entirely on what you want to run.
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| 04:53 | <openUSE10> im alnning a KIAX voip client as a locall App
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| 04:53 | planning KIAX only
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| 04:53 | <vagrantc> can KIAX voip client run decently on a P1 100MHz machine?
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| 04:54 | <openUSE10> its a VOIP IAX client softphone
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| 04:54 | <vagrantc> can KIAX voip client run decently on a P1 100MHz machine?
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| 04:54 | that is the appropriate question.
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| 04:54 | <openUSE10> hmmm, well im hoping somebody has done it here so that he/she could tell me
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| 04:55 | what local apps hav u tried vagrantc? if there is any
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| 04:55 | <vagrantc> i haven't used local apps with ltsp 4.2
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| 04:55 | just with muekow/5.0
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| 04:56 | <openUSE10> is muekow a flavor of ltsp?
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| 04:57 | what local app hav u tried on muekow? at least i can hav a slight idea and on what hardware
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| 04:57 | <vagrantc> yes.
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| 04:58 | i've used firefox and icewm, mainly.
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| 04:58 | <openUSE10> what is ur thinclient hardware?
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| 04:58 | <vagrantc> i've used 400MHz machine with 256MB of ram, and 800 MHz machine with 96MB of ram.
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| 04:59 | <openUSE10> i see, i hav a P1 100MHz here
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| 04:59 | <vagrantc> that will probably not work well with firefox. might be fine with icewm.
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| 04:59 | <openUSE10> by ur example i guess i need at least a P2 and a 128Mb RAM to get KIAX running
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| 05:00 | <vagrantc> why would you say that?
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| 05:00 | <openUSE10> well, KIAX would need a little CPU horsepower to transcode
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| 05:00 | <vagrantc> you need to know how much CPU and RAM KIAX takes, otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.
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| 05:01 | <openUSE10> coding is the keyword in my case since its VOIP KIAX is dealing
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| 05:01 | and if its coding/transcoding its a CPU issue i guess
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| 05:02 | <vagrantc> if you have no idea how much RAM/CPU it actually takes, all i can recommend is try it.
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| 05:02 | <openUSE10> thanks very much for ur answers, im so glad ur here
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| 05:03 | ill report back here on whatever issues i encounter. Thanks!!!!!
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| 05:04 | <openUSE10> oh, 1 last thing, whats the difference between muekow and LTSP?
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| 05:04 | <openUSE10> i mean the big difference
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| 06:35 | <vagrantc> ogra: for ltspfs ... did you try instead of having a mount in /tmp bind-mounted to /media/USER/FOO ... just mounting to ~/Desktop/FOO instead?
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| 06:35 | or is ~/Desktop obsoleted or something?
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| 08:45 | <jammcq> :)
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| 08:48 | <Gadi> wipe that smiley off my irc, young man
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| 10:55 | <Gadi> ogra: ping
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| 11:21 | <fsniper> hello, I have a problem with /dev/dsp not appering on workstations. If i make a dsp node and set sound 100% there is no problem with sound.
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| 11:21 | how may i force the workstation to create /dev/dsp?
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| 11:25 | <Gadi> which version of LTSP?
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| 11:25 | 4.2?
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| 11:25 | <fsniper> yep.. 4.2 update 3
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| 11:26 | <Gadi> are you loading alsa sound drivers?
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| 11:26 | which sound driver are you loading?
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| 11:26 | <fsniper> yes, snd_intel8x0 for ac97 onboard card
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| 11:27 | <Gadi> add: SMODULE_02 = "snd-pcm-oss"
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| 11:27 | <fsniper> i think thats the problem. I'm trying
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| 11:30 | <Gadi> (alternatively, you could either load the OSS driver or use the LTSP-esd-alsa package for 4.2 from the LTSP Wiki's WorkInProgress page)
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| 11:42 | <fsniper> gadi snd-pcm-oss module worked for me
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| 11:42 | thank you
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| 11:44 | <Gadi> pleasure
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| 11:44 | dont play anything I wouldnt
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| 11:44 | :)
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| 11:45 | <fsniper> first tell me what you would :)
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| 11:45 | <Gadi> heh, you dont want to know...
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| 11:45 | <fsniper> ups! too late. i just did
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| 12:52 | <vykarian> hi =]
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| 12:59 | <cor3> quiet day in here
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| 13:05 | <vykarian> does someone know where can I find some documentation about printing?
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| 13:06 | <zedFrost> that would be cups
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| 13:06 | <vykarian> but when I send more than 1 job thru cups
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| 13:06 | <cor3> ample docs on ltsp.org
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| 13:06 | <vykarian> that makes a really mess in my printing
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| 13:06 | characters control get lost, etc, etc..
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| 13:06 | <cor3> different driver
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| 13:06 | <vykarian> 1 line of 1 report, other line of other report
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| 13:07 | <zedFrost> Yup sounds like a driver issue
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| 13:07 | <vykarian> I was wondering
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| 13:07 | since we do a telnet to ltsp box at 9100 port
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| 13:07 | <cor3> what kind of printer
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| 13:07 | ?
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| 13:07 | <vykarian> and drop there some lines, it goes to /dev/lp0
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| 13:08 | thats a Epson DFX5000+
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| 13:08 | I already tried raw/raw and epson/9-pin series
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| 13:09 | and already enabled the octet option in mime.convs
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| 13:10 | <zedFrost> Depends on the printer.
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| 13:13 | <zedFrost> Try IBM proprinter II (emulation)
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| 13:13 | Found it on Epson's site
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| 13:16 | <vykarian> I'm taking off all terminals those print on that
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| 13:16 | and send a unique job
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| 13:16 | with no concurrency
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| 13:17 | <cor3> Hello cliebow
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| 13:18 | <cliebow> hello:!!
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| 13:18 | <cor3> best of the holidays to you and the rest of the ltsp crew
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| 13:18 | <cliebow> and to you aas well!
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| 13:19 | just walked in the dorr from a trip to Phiily
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| 13:19 | <cor3> nice
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| 13:19 | never been
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| 13:19 | always stuck to canada with the exception of seattle
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| 13:22 | <cliebow> ive been to Montreal..
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| 13:22 | <cor3> never been either
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| 13:22 | LOL
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| 13:22 | I'm right smack in the center and have only gone west
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| 13:22 | <cliebow> in a school?
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| 13:22 | <cor3> nope
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| 13:23 | working
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| 13:23 | <cliebow> cubicle style?
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| 13:23 | <cor3> no no
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| 13:23 | served 3 years in a cubicle
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| 13:23 | <cliebow> good\
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| 13:24 | <cor3> I handle servers and networks for a variety of organizations in north western ontario
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| 13:24 | but I just took a new job in winnipeg
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| 13:24 | so moving back there
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| 13:25 | larger city center so more to do
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| 13:25 | <cliebow> nearScottie then!
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| 13:25 | <cor3> yep
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| 13:25 | I've met him before
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| 13:25 | gave me a tour of the legal aid offices
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| 13:25 | <cliebow> great people..if you ask good questions
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| 13:26 | <cor3> legal aid?
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| 13:26 | <vykarian> zedFrost, got worse with that driver, trying to get a specific
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| 13:27 | with the proprinterII it only got garbage within the test page
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| 13:30 | <zedFrost> msg vykarian have tried just normal text?
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| 13:30 | sorry bout that last message -/
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| 13:32 | <vykarian> np
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| 13:33 | lets chat pvt, due that maybe is not a ltsp issue
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| 13:45 | <J45p3r_> cliebow!
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| 13:45 | <cliebow> J45p3r:!!!!!!!!!!
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| 13:45 | <J45p3r_> hey
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| 13:45 | <cliebow> zup?
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| 13:46 | just got home.
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| 13:46 | <J45p3r_> is there a box here I can use for a beech hill firewall?
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| 13:46 | welcome back
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| 13:46 | <cliebow> nothing in particular....net 233's around..even a u92 hotswap if you want it
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| 13:46 | in the back
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| 13:47 | <J45p3r_> ok, I'll grab the hotswap and make it ready for beech
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| 13:47 | then we can take theirs and make it a h/s
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| 14:02 | <cliebow> sure..it is academic if it is even necessary..
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| 14:41 | <yodaz> hi all
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| 14:42 | I can get ltsp to work with ubuntu dapper, ldm does not log on, it flashes the screen and then return to log in prompt, anybody have an idea ?
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| 14:42 | I have done ltsp-update-sshkeys without success
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| 14:42 | I have tried with xdmcp, but I have no keyboard when I want to type the login/pass in the gdm login window
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> yodaz: is it a fresh install of dapper?
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| 14:45 | <yodaz> Gadi: yes
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| 14:45 | <Gadi> make sure you have ssh server installed
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| 14:45 | <yodaz> with repository dapper, dapper-updates, dapper-backports, dapper-security and universe/multiverse enabled
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> its easy to overlook when you do things quickly
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| 14:46 | <yodaz> Gadi: I have installed openssh-server
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| 14:46 | <Gadi> ok. then doublecheck that the user you are logging in as exists
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| 14:47 | <yodaz> I can log with this user on the server
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| 14:47 | <Gadi> ah, ok
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| 14:48 | the only other time I had that was when I did a dist-upgrade from an earlier ubuntu and it didnt quite complete all the way
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| 14:48 | <yodaz> is there a way to know why the ldm session crash just after typing the login ?
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| 14:48 | <Gadi> make sure you apt-get upgrade the server
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| 14:49 | <yodaz> I have done sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get update
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> if you create a SCREEN_02 = shell
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| 14:49 | <yodaz> then chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get dist-upgrade
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| 14:49 | and then ltsp-update-kernels
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> you can switch to it and look in the ldm log on the client
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| 14:49 | ah, i meant on the serverr
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| 14:49 | not in the chroot
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| 14:49 | make sure the server is healthy
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| 14:49 | <yodaz> but my server is already up to date
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| 14:49 | <Gadi> ok
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| 14:50 | and you did ltsp-update-sshkeys outside the chroot, right?
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| 14:50 | <yodaz> yes
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| 14:51 | it says to me # Creating dsa-hostkey for hostname
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| 14:51 | and same thing for rsa
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| 14:51 | <Gadi> maybe the dist-upgrade of the chroot hosed something
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| 14:51 | if you make a shell on the thin client, try ssh'ing to the server
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| 14:51 | from the shell
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| 14:51 | <yodaz> ok
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| 14:51 | thx, I will test that now
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| 14:52 | <Gadi> if it prompts you about unknown host, then there's something wrong with the keys
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| 14:52 | remember ldm is basically a wrapper around ssh
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| 14:52 | <yodaz> and if it's the key, what could I do ?
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| 14:53 | <Gadi> hmm, well ltsp-update-sshkeys should have fixed that
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| 14:53 | yeah, im running out of good ideas here
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| 14:54 | how come you have no keybd with xdmcp?
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| 14:54 | smells like somethings fishy in the chroot
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| 14:54 | <yodaz> I think so
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| 14:54 | <Gadi> you could try: mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386.old
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| 14:54 | and ltsp-build-client
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| 14:55 | <yodaz> I try to rebuild completely the chroot, but same problem
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| 14:55 | I think there's a bug with gdm or so
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| 14:55 | <Gadi> even the latest gdm?
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| 14:56 | I cant say I've seen that
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| 14:58 | <yodaz> hmm my server cpu is an AMD Sempron, and the client cpu are intel pentium classic, but I used ltsp-build-client --arch i386, is it good ?
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| 14:58 | <Gadi> you should be able to use it with no args
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| 15:00 | <yodaz> ok
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| 15:02 | huh, I can't log in console mode, should I add an account in chroot before ?
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| 15:06 | * jammcq wonders what steps yodaz took, to try xdmcp | |
| 15:06 | <jammcq> I think there's a getty running on tty2-6, so you'd want to run SCREEN_07 = startx
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| 15:06 | rather than SCREEN_01 or SCREEN_02
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| 15:07 | <GiantPickle> Howdy all... long time, no type on my part... Hope you all had a Merry Christmas!! I'm wondering if it would be possible to download pictures from a digital camera connected to a client?
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| 15:07 | <jammcq> wow, there's been alot of that question lately. /me thinks lots of people must have gotten new cameras for xmas
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| 15:08 | <GiantPickle> hehe...
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| 15:08 | I'm actually doing a setup in a small office... and one of the requirements is for the sales guy to be able to download pics from his camera
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| 15:08 | <jammcq> GiantPickle: simplest way is insert the memory card in a card reader, OR if your camera supports a block-device mode, use that
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| 15:09 | <yodaz> Gadi: ssh works very well in console
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| 15:09 | I will try jammcq tip, with SCREEN_07 to see what happens
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| 15:09 | <GiantPickle> jammcq: thanks... so the mem card reader could be hooked up to usb port on client... and then what am I reading to config? Local Media?
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| 15:09 | <jammcq> I have a Nikon camera, and it supports both 'PTP' and 'Mass Storage' mode
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| 15:09 | if I put it in 'Mass Storage' mode, it appears as a local device in ltsp
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| 15:10 | <GiantPickle> interesting
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| 15:10 | <jammcq> GiantPickle: yeah, it would be a local device
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| 15:10 | BUT.... you'd have to insert the memory card into the card reader, before plugging the card reader into the thin client
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| 15:10 | <GiantPickle> ah
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| 15:10 | * Gadi thinks that perhaps in LTSP5, we can incorporate the FUSE-based gphoto filesystem | |
| 15:10 | <jammcq> we don't detect a hot-plug of a memory card in a card reader (yet)
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| 15:10 | <Gadi> what with all of the FUSE going around
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| 15:11 | <GiantPickle> Gadi: hi
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| 15:11 | <Gadi> GiantPickle: hey
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| 15:11 | Happy Winter
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| 15:12 | <GiantPickle> u2
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| 15:14 | jammcq: thanks btw
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| 15:15 | <yodaz> jammcq: you just rocks guy =)
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| 15:16 | it works witj SCREEN_07
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| 15:16 | but when I log out, I returns to the traditional X grey screen
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| 15:16 | is there a way to reload xdmcp after the user log out ?
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| 15:16 | s/witj/with
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| 15:16 | <jammcq> well, it *should* return to a login screen
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| 15:16 | <yodaz> ah
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| 15:16 | <jammcq> hmm, seems ogra's not around
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| 15:17 | he's the guy with those answers
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| 15:18 | <yodaz> ok
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| 15:18 | anyway thanks a lot
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| 15:18 | =)
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| 15:49 | <daniQ> cliebow?
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| 16:05 | <cliebow> daniq:??
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| 16:23 | <cliebow> daniQ:??
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| 16:32 | <killsalad> hi all
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| 16:49 | <cliebow> lo
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| 16:54 | <killsalad> I want to complain about Edyg's Gdm :) It's evil
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| 16:57 | <vagrantc> killsalad: do you mean LDM ?
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| 16:57 | killsalad: the display manager that comes up by default for LTSP clients in edgy?
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| 16:59 | * vagrantc wonders what specific complaints mark it as evil... | |
| 17:03 | * vagrantc seethes hatred for launchpad | |
| 17:09 | <jammcq> hmm, guess he wanted to complain, but didn't really feel like getting into specifics
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| 17:10 | <vagrantc> guess so.
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| 17:11 | i find it really difficult to navigate the ltsp/ltspfs codebase on launchpad. it takes me 5-10 minutes just to get to a list of branches...
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| 17:11 | <jammcq> hmm
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| 17:11 | is that 'upstream ltsp' or Ubuntu ltsp ?
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| 17:11 | <vagrantc> i actually somewhat like the interface once i get to a branch, but getting there has on more than one occasion caused me to work on other projects.
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| 17:11 | * jammcq isn't sure if scotty is putting upstream there yet | |
| 17:11 | <vagrantc> jammcq: that's a good question.
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| 17:12 | ltspfs upstream is on launchpad
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| 17:12 | and the closest thing for ltsp is ogra's ltsp-mainline branch
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| 17:12 | <jammcq> you can expect to see very little of scotty over the next couple of weeks
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| 17:12 | <vagrantc> :(
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| 17:12 | <jammcq> he's rolling out a whole new system that is almost certainly going to make him gumpy
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| 17:15 | <vagrantc> well, debian-edu has ltspfs packages in thier repository, and we've uploaded to debian, though it's stuck in debian's NEW queue waiting for approval from the ftp-masters.
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| 17:22 | <jammcq> vagrantc: is that just a matter of hours or days to get approved?
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| 17:22 | <vagrantc> jammcq: not sure. with etch release imminent, i suspect NEW queue is low priority. but it's normally reviewed once per week.
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| 17:23 | jammcq: it's certainly too late for etch, but once etch is released, we can probably get it on to backports.org
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| 17:24 | <jammcq> cool
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| 17:24 | a huge exercize in patience
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| 17:24 | <vagrantc> though i would like to restructure the packaging a lot post-etch, which will make backporting harder.
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| 17:25 | actually, i'd like to restructure just about everything in ltspfs except the C code :)
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