IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 3 December 2009 (all times are UTC)
| 00:05 | <sbalneav> alibaba: The client can run the application, through localapps
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| 00:05 | but most people run all the apps on the server.
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| 00:08 | <johnny> you don't need nfs mounted /home for regular ltsp usage
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| 00:08 | that's for a particular extension of ltsp..
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| 00:08 | <alibaba> I read the 54 pages documentation yesterday very carefully and now I am not sure if LTSP is really the right choice. What I want to to is running all applications for ~5 users (in total) entirely on one fat host. Including the KDE desktop for everyone.
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| 00:08 | <johnny> it is pretty recent (at least the supported version of it)
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| 00:08 | that's ltsp
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| 00:08 | that's exactly ltsp )
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| 00:08 | :)
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| 00:09 | sbalneav, looks like you might wanna get some advice here
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| 00:09 | alibaba, can you help us improve the docs?
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| 00:09 | <sbalneav> alibaba: yes, if that's what you want to do, then ltsp does exactly that.
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| 00:09 | <johnny> tell us what made you think what was the main function of ltsp
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| 00:09 | <alibaba> Why not? But first I must understand.
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| 00:09 | <johnny> vs .. an option
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| 00:10 | alibaba, you had trouble understanding the docs.. we want to make it so you can understand them :)
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| 00:11 | <alibaba> Well, I am no Ubuntu user, I am a OpenSuSE user. OpenSuSE heavily uses KIWI. Yesterday I got the impression that nobody here knows kiwi-ltsp.
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| 00:11 | <johnny> we don't..
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| 00:11 | not really
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| 00:12 | they decided to go some funny route with ltsp
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| 00:12 | so it's not quite ltsp anymore
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| 00:12 | altho.. it really should work just like ltsp in most use cases
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| 00:12 | just use their instructions instead of ours..
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| 00:12 | <alibaba> I have no problem with NOT using kiwi-ltsp. The slimmer the whole thing is, the better.
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| 00:13 | <johnny> i haven't had a reason to try open suse.. or suse of any kind.. last time i had it was suse6
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| 00:13 | i think..
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| 00:13 | nah.. i don't remember now..
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| 00:13 | <alibaba> :) I would never touch something else.
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| 00:13 | <johnny> i got the cd somewhere between 1998 to 2000
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| 00:13 | <sbalneav> If you're looking for a kiwi guy, cyberorg's your man.
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| 00:13 | <johnny> yeah..
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| 00:13 | talk to cyberorg .. he is the guy who mostly maintains it..
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| 00:14 | sbalneav, i think alibaba would be happy with regular ltsp on suse.. but i don't know if our suse plugins are enough up to date for that
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| 00:14 | <alibaba> Where I stucked with my first try was, that it didn't load the config file.
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| 00:15 | The client dot his IP address, loaded the first linux kernel, then it looped waiting for a config.
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| 00:15 | Nobody could help, I only got diffuse answers...
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| 00:18 | <sbalneav> johnny: not sure.
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| 00:18 | cyberorg's THE kiwi-ltsp guy, I'd keep an eye out for him...
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| 00:18 | !seen cyberorg
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| 00:18 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: cyberorg was last seen in #ltsp 5 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <cyberorg> ftherese, that has nothing to do with ltsp, just follow instructions about network scanning, configure ltsp servers as client for scanner, all ltsp clients will be able to use that
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| 00:19 | <alibaba> Can you describe me how a client of a fat host actually works with ltsp?
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| 00:25 | I understand in in this way, that the client boots a linux through PXE and then behaves identical to a usual Thin Client with embedded Linux, only that it uses something different than xdmcp. Is this correct?
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| 00:25 | Actually this is what I am looking for, nothing else.
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| 00:26 | <sbalneav> We use our own display manager, LDM, which, for all intents and purposes is a graphical front end to ssh
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| 00:26 | we ssh -x into the server, and start the X session (gnome, kde, what have you)
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| 00:26 | 12:30 midnight here, I'm off to bed.
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| 00:26 | night all
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| 00:26 | <alibaba> Good night.
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| 00:27 | Somebody still here then? (here it is 7:30 in the morning! :)
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| 00:33 | johnny: What is the major difference between the "standard" ltsp and the "kiwi-ltsp" ?
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| 00:44 | What are the advantages of LDM compared to xdmcp ?
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| 01:11 | <alkisg> stgraber: would you agree on this? http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m6d58fa24
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| 01:11 | It uses an xprop instead of a file, so that localapps are not required to be enabled.
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| 02:54 | <tessier> Hello all!
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| 02:55 | I have a Term 1520 from disklessworkstations. I want to get dual-head working on it. Anyone know of any docs for this?
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| 03:04 | <Appiah> what video driver does it use?
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| 03:15 | <tessier> Intel
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| 03:15 | I think I have googled enough to get going...xrandr seems to be the trick.
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| 03:15 | Now I realize I can't even get X running so that I can run xrandr.
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| 03:16 | system-config-display set it up with Intel driver etc. But X seems to exit without any (EE) errors reported.
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| 03:16 | <tessier> Almost seems like it isn't happy with any of the defined or probed modelines or something.
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| 03:17 | <alkisg> tessier: there are some XRANDR* lts.conf settings for that, but I think only Gadi knows their magic :)
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| 03:17 | So better come back when he's around, in 8 hours or so...
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| 03:18 | <tessier> http://pastebin.ca/1699834
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| 03:18 | See anything wrong with that Xorg log?
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| 03:19 | <alkisg> You'll need some stuff like XRANDR_OUTPUT_0 = "LVDS-1" and XRANDR_OUTPUT_1 = "LVDS-2 --right-of LVDS-1" in lts.conf, but I really don't know the correct parameters. See the ltsp logs in 23 Oct 2009 for a related chat.
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| 03:24 | <alibaba> Hello, I currently give ltsp (precisely: kiwi-ltsp) another try. Is somebody here who can guide me, please?
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> alibaba: for kiwi-ltsp, or opensuse in general, I think cyberorg is your only chance. cyberorg ^^^
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| 03:25 | <Appiah> or the kiwi-ltsp channel
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| 03:25 | <Appiah> or the suse forums
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| 03:25 | <alkisg> or the mailing list :)
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| 03:26 | <Appiah> dont they have a well documented wiki for that type of install?
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| 03:26 | <alibaba> I hate mailing lists.
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| 03:26 | <Appiah> dont be a hater man! :)
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| 03:26 | <tessier> Ah. wm not installed.
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| 03:26 | <alibaba> I don't want to find all my questions during next 10 years in google...
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| 03:27 | <Appiah> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP#Quick_start_guides
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| 03:27 | <tessier> alibaba: But it is good for other people to find them.
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| 03:27 | alibaba: Because they may have the same questions
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| 03:27 | <alibaba> Well, I re-installed this stuff now, but my tftp .../boot/ is empty. I remember there was a file inside.
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| 03:28 | tessier: A wll-documented project rises no questions. ;)
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| 03:28 | <tessier> alibaba: No such thing
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| 03:28 | There is just way too much hardware and configurations out there
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| 03:29 | <Appiah> http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Quick_start looks easy
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| 03:29 | think even I should give it a try on a VM
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| 03:29 | <alibaba> where do I get images to be used by the clients?
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| 03:30 | <Appiah> if its anything like LTSP it should build the image
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| 03:30 | ltsp-build-client
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| 03:31 | but I'd suggest you do it the kiwi way .. whatever way that is O_o
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| 03:31 | <alibaba> There is no standard image? :(
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| 03:32 | <Appiah> umm
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| 03:32 | there's a standard way to build that image
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| 03:32 | I mean , the system gets updated
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| 03:32 | packages change
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| 03:33 | to come with a different pre-built image would just be a waste of space imho
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| 03:34 | some use i386 , some use amd64
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| 03:34 | seriously , what docs are yuo following alibaba ?
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| 03:46 | <alibaba> Ha, cyberorg is in kiwi-ltsp....
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| 03:49 | I downloaded an OOO doc from novell.
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| 03:49 | <Appiah> O_o
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| 03:49 | link please?
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| 03:50 | <vicd> for example, i use OpenSuse as LTSPserver but Ubuntu as ltsp chroot
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| 03:50 | sorry my english
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| 03:50 | <Appiah> may I ask why vicd ?
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| 03:50 | <alkisg> vicd: is that with a kiwi image?
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| 03:51 | <alibaba> I downloaded it yesterday, don't find the link again. But I can put the doc on my server for you...
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| 03:51 | <vicd> kiwi to hard to modify
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| 03:51 | <Appiah> or just say the name and I can find it
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| 03:52 | <alibaba> The title of this doc is: KIWI-LTSP Documentation
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| 03:53 | <alkisg> vicd: I *think* that the minimum specs for Ubuntu LTSP clients is 64 RAM, while kiwi needs 128 RAM. So in your case that would work with 64 RAM clients?
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| 03:53 | <alibaba> https://forgesvn1.novell.com/viewsvn/education/trunk/docu/kiwi-ltsp/
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| 03:53 | (found it again)
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| 03:54 | <alkisg> brb
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| 03:54 | <vicd> alkisg: i don't think so, in both cases it needs more then 128
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| 03:55 | <Appiah> installing suse now
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| 03:55 | gonna se how much trouble i'll run into when putting on ltsp
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| 03:56 | or if any at all :)
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| 03:56 | <alibaba> I am still not sure if ltsp is the right choice. I'd prefer something that boots through PXE a totally independend system and accesses then the host through a common interface (i.e. xdmcp or so). Actually the client should act like a bought "embedded linux Thin Client"
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| 03:57 | <alibaba> ltsp seems to have lots of dependices between server and client.
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| 03:57 | Or am I wrong?
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| 03:58 | <alkisg> Yes, it needs distro integration
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| 03:58 | <Appiah> what do you mean?
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| 03:58 | <alkisg> And even DE integration, for remote sound, usb sticks etc to work
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| 03:58 | <vicd> alibaba: i recommend ltsp.org site to undestend how it works. i started there
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| 04:00 | <alibaba> Well, the server will be a really strom machine. AMD64 Phenom II X4, 8GB RAM, 64-bit OS 11.1. The clients will be weak: VIA C7 1500MHz 32bit, 1GB RAM. As they only have to display a picture and deal with kbd/mouse this sould be enough.
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| 04:00 | Will this work?
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| 04:00 | <alkisg> That's not weak, you should put localapps on them (i.e. tell firefox/flash to use the local CPU)
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| 04:01 | <alibaba> They will have to do enough with the KDE desktop... ;)
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| 04:01 | <Appiah> powerfull TC's you got
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| 04:01 | use localapps
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| 04:01 | like alkisg said , put firefox on the TC
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| 04:01 | <alkisg> You can't efficiently watch a video with LTSP or any other similar remote technology
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| 04:01 | <Appiah> and Video player
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| 04:02 | <alibaba> Iwould be happy if one starts up at all. :|
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| 04:02 | <alkisg> With a local vlc... right
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| 04:02 | alibaba: well.. you could e.g. have ubuntultsp up and running in 1 hour, to see how it works for you. Then, once you've seen it and had a little experience with it, you could try again the opensuse way...
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| 04:03 | You should even be able to try it with the live opensuse-edu dvd
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| 04:07 | <alibaba> I do now the whole stuff again. I chose the 1-click install for SuSE 11.1 (as this is what I am running on the server).
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| 04:08 | <Appiah> Suse base install is BIG
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| 04:08 | still installing
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| 04:09 | <alibaba> It downloaded now kiwi-ltsp-bootimages.... Sounds good.
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| 04:10 | There is another system out there, using NX. This is really only a dumb client which accesses the host. Do you know it?
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| 04:10 | <ogra> alkisg, i suppose you didnt see my ping about shutdown/reboot anymore yesterday .... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPClientShutdownReboot is about two years old and might do what you want
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| 04:11 | <alibaba> Actually I do not want to run anything on a client. I want to have everything to 100% in the host (makes administration much easier, I think).
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| 04:11 | <alkisg> ogra: we still need to send a patch to gnome-session
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| 04:11 | <ogra> why gnome-session ?
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| 04:11 | why not indicator-session
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| 04:12 | <alkisg> ogra: I've sent a patch for indicator-session, but the developer said it'd be better if we send it to gnome-session instead,
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| 04:12 | so that e.g. if I press the poweroff button in my laptop, and I get the gnome logout dialog, it would still work
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| 04:12 | <alibaba> ha, now I have two files in boot/ of tftp server.
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| 04:13 | <alkisg> ogra: So now I'm trying to construct such a patch. It as simple as setting an xprop, but I've yet to find out where to put it... :(
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| 04:14 | (gdm_set_logout_action in gnome-session/gdm.c looked like a great place, but for some reason it's not working)
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| 04:16 | <alibaba> I HAVE A LOGIN PROMPT NOW :D :D
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| 04:16 | <alkisg> BTW, I tried the indicator-session approach, and it worked like a charm!
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| 04:16 | <ogra> alkisg, because a) thats very old code for the old gdm version and b) gdm uses dbus (as *everything else* in the desktops nowadays) to find out about your credentials
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> ogra: what old code? I'm trying to put that in the new gdm code
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| 04:17 | <ogra> for the gdm version thats not used anymore
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| 04:17 | <alkisg> It uses dbus, CK and PK..
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| 04:17 | <ogra> new gdm does everything through dbus
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| 04:18 | <alkisg> Sorry, isn't gnome-session in Karmic for the new gdm?
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| 04:18 | <ogra> ah, then it might have been updated ... still
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| 04:18 | no dbus connection between client and server, no credentials
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| 04:18 | in future versions of gnome and kde not even the applets will work
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| 04:18 | <alkisg> Right, so it always shows "restart" as enabled even if the user has no rights to reboot the server
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| 04:19 | But that's the CK part. Our patch goes later on, when the action is called...
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| 04:19 | <ogra> since everything asks dbus first for info about CK ... the server side CK wont give them to you because it only allows local sessions to control anything
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| 04:19 | <alkisg> ogra, right now, on Karmic, the restart menu is enabled for LTSP clients
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| 04:19 | <ogra> you need to have dbus talk to the client CK to get enough permissions
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> It isn't a permissions problem
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| 04:20 | <ogra> yes, i told you yesterday ::)
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| 04:20 | it is
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| 04:20 | the restart menu option wont do anything
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| 04:20 | that it's shown is a bug
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> ogra, I do have a working version of that
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| 04:20 | <ogra> that it's not working is intentional due to the CK prob i talked about above
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| 04:20 | <alkisg> The restart menu works fine here.
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| 04:20 | <ogra> i mean without hacks
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| 04:21 | <Appiah> alibaba: what did you do?
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> ogra: ok, let'
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| 04:21 | <alibaba> The client has a very weak onboard graphic via unicrome. The client started up but shows now something like standard VGA resolution.
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| 04:21 | <alkisg> ogra: ok, let's get this from the start. I can't help in integrading the server/client dbus sessions. What do you propose that I do?
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| 04:21 | <alibaba> Appiah: I installed again the 1-click setup on top of the old one. (Now I must look what it changed on my server...
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> ogra: I *can* send a 2-lines patch in gnome-session that would make the menus work. Just those 2 lines.
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| 04:22 | <ogra> alkisg, no idea, what i'm saying since two days is that 80% of the desktop will soon stop working
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| 04:22 | <Appiah> what did you do last time when it did not work then?
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| 04:22 | <ogra> applets talk through dbus, gnome-settings-daemon talks through dbus ... gconf will soon talk through dbus
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| 04:22 | <alkisg> ogra: but why? gnome-session checks for PK, and if it isn't there, it doesn't ask for authorization...
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| 04:23 | PK isn't installed in the chroot
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| 04:23 | <ogra> if nobody tackles the dbus situation the desktop wont work anymore anyway
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| 04:23 | <alkisg> Why would it break then?
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| 04:23 | <ogra> because CK wont give any permissions for non local sessions
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| 04:23 | <alibaba> How do I configure a better resolution for the client, please?
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| 04:23 | <ogra> you guys will run into bigger probs soon
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| 04:23 | <alkisg> ogra: ok let me ask this the other way: what is going to change?
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| 04:24 | <ogra> so instead of adding hack over hack someone needs to fix dbus anyway, else ltsp wont work anymore
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| 04:24 | alkisg, i told you above ...
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| 04:24 | <alkisg> But ***currently*** gnome-session uses dbus, and it works
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| 04:24 | <ogra> *all* communication will go through dbus very soon
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| 04:25 | <alkisg> You mean other programs? Not the session problem?
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| 04:25 | <ogra> bacuase you hack around the prob
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> ogra: well, I really can't help with dbus, I haven't even made a glib program yet. So should I go on with the patch, or should I completely leave it?
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| 04:26 | <ogra> well, your patch helps short term
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| 04:26 | <alibaba> Appiah: How far is your install process?
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| 04:26 | <ogra> but for lucid or latest for lucid+1 the dbus prob has to be fixed, else gnome and kde will stop working
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| 04:26 | <alkisg> ogra: I offer to do what I *can* do... I can't do any dbus work... maybe in a few years, when I'll be more experienced with g*.
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| 04:26 | <Appiah> still installing suse
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| 04:27 | ~600 packages left
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| 04:28 | <alibaba> Appiah: Yes, SuSE needs longer as it installs more "complete" than all Debians I have seen. (My friend uses Ubuntu. I see no day where he needs apt-get. :))
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| 04:28 | <ogra> bloated i would say rather :)
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| 04:28 | <Appiah> I dont want more "complete" aka bloat
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| 04:28 | I want to install just the stuff I need :D
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| 04:28 | <alkisg> ogra: I understand that that is really significant, and it would solve a lot of problems and hacks that we're using etc. But I can't help with dbus, so until sbalneav find the time to tackle it, I can only help with small patches... And I wouldn't want Lucid to go out with showing, but non-working restart/shutdown menus...
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| 04:29 | * ogra only uses apt-get once after finishing an ubuntu install and then never again | |
| 04:30 | <ogra> alkisg, no, it wouldnt "solve a lot of problems" ... the desktop will stop working without it ...
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| 04:30 | it *has to happen* anyway
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| 04:30 | else ltsp needs to default to something like xfce or openbox
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| 04:30 | <alkisg> OK. Still. Can't help there :) So I either do what I can, or nothing at all :)
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| 04:30 | <ogra> right, do your patch ...
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| 04:31 | but be aware that it might be obsolete even before lucid releases
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> I wish!
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| 04:31 | <ogra> because the prob needs to be fixed within the next 6-12 months
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| 04:31 | <alkisg> ...but I'm not too optimistic about sbalneav finding the necessary time until Lucid... :(
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| 04:32 | <ogra> well, as i said, the desktop *will stop working*
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| 04:32 | someone *has to fix it*
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| 04:33 | <alkisg> I understand, but I can't help. If it breaks, all ***I*** can do is keep using older releases until it's fixed :(
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| 04:34 | <ogra> you will have to :)
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| 04:38 | hmm, who is mgariepy ?
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| 04:38 | apparently sbalneav gave him/her branch access out of the blue
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> I've seen some of his patches before, but I've never seen him here
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| 04:39 | <ogra> ah, he is a colleague of stgraber
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| 04:39 | * ogra hugs launchapd :) | |
| 04:39 | <ogra> *pad too
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| 04:39 | <alkisg> Heh :)
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| 05:08 | <zamba> i'm looking for an exam mode for ltsp.. i want to boot up a computer similar to a kiosk mode, but instead of firefox i just want to give the users access to openoffice
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| 05:08 | i guess this is possible to get working, but how?
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| 05:09 | just access to openoffice and the possibility to save on an usb stick
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| 05:12 | <alibaba> Appiah: Seems to work here now. :)
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| 05:19 | <ogra> zamba, use autologin in LDM and create an ~/.xsession that calls the apps you want
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| 05:19 | then copy it into the home of each user
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| 05:34 | <alibaba> How can I configure sound? As far as I remember, sound should be transported to the client even if an app ist operated on the server from it?
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| 05:35 | All I hear is a little (continuous) hisssssssss, so the sound is activated. But I hear nothing.
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| 05:45 | <Appiah> alibaba: :)
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| 05:45 | <alibaba> What?
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| 05:45 | <Appiah> well now you should check the suse wiki's and such
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| 05:45 | or the lts.conf
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| 05:46 | dunno how suse handles that
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| 06:51 | <alkisg> stgraber: I have the gnome-session patch ready and tested, should I send them the one based on the xprop version or on the /tmp/ldm-logout-action version? http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m6d58fa24
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| 06:52 | * alkisg moves on to patch iTalc to correctly call logout via dbus... | |
| 06:56 | <alkisg> Btw, gnome-session only needed the following 4 lines in an already-existing patch file, 95_dbus_request_shutdown.patch:
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| 06:56 | if (g_getenv ("LTSP_CLIENT")) g_spawn_command_line_async("xprop -root -f LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION HALT", error);
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| 06:56 | if (g_getenv ("LTSP_CLIENT")) g_spawn_command_line_async("xprop -root -f LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION 8s -set LDM_LOGOUT_ACTION REBOOT", error);
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| 07:06 | <_UsUrPeR_> hello world!
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| 07:55 | <zamba> ogra: will usb stick work with that?
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| 08:37 | <silvergti> hello
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| 08:39 | can anyone give me some information about nbd-server and nbdswapd?
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| 08:39 | got a lot processes of these two running :(
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| 08:42 | <Gadi> silvergti: provides network swap space to your diskless clients
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| 08:42 | NBD_SWAP=False disables it
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| 08:42 | <silvergti> Ok Gadi, thanks :)
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| 08:43 | but is it normal to have a lot of them running? some of them from September!
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| 08:44 | <sbalneav> Morning all
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| 08:44 | <Gadi> silvergti: you will have a pair (nbd-server + nbdswapd) for each client booted
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| 08:45 | <sbalneav> silvergti: right. One thing to check is if you've got the keepalive statements in hosts.allow
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| 08:46 | paste your /etc/hosts.allow to the pastebot
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| 08:47 | <silvergti> my hosts.allow only got this: nbdrootd: ALL: keepalive
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| 08:48 | <ogra> duplicate that line for nbdswapd
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| 08:48 | and restart openbsd-inetd
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| 08:48 | <silvergti> like: nbdswapd: ALL: keepalive
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| 08:49 | <ogra> right
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| 08:50 | <silvergti> restarting the service wont affect running sessions?
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| 08:51 | <alkisg> stgraber, Gadi, sbalneav: Anyone willing to help a toddler on his first steps? E.g. I'd like to have this patch reviewed, and maybe committed...: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m7b7f935c
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| 08:55 | <sbalneav> silvergti: shouldn't :)
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| 08:55 | As usual, no guarentees
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| 08:55 | <silvergti> ok, i ill do it later, when people leaves :)
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> alkisg: seems fine to me.
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| 08:56 | <silvergti> thanks for the help :)
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| 08:56 | <sbalneav> alkisg: as for comitting, email it to me, and I'll do it for you a bit later.
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| 08:57 | dealing with the (fallout|issues) of our mail server migration from yesterday :)
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| 08:57 | <alkisg> sbalneav: heh, I was worried about learning all this commiting stuff, but yup, emailing would be the best way! Thanks! :)
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| 09:27 | <alkisg> Patch for LTSP clients to properly reboot/shutdown: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/491940
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| 09:31 | sbalneav, stgraber, ogra: the maintainer (chrisccoulson) told me he'd like an "OK" from someone in order to apply the patch... so if anyone wants to verify that the patch works, please do :)
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| 09:31 | <Appiah> who are affected by this bug?
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| 09:31 | I have not seen a shutdown/reboot issue with my TC's
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| 09:35 | <alkisg> Appiah: Karmic?
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| 09:35 | Appiah: LTSP clients were never able to reboot from within gnome
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| 09:36 | <Appiah> oh
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> That patch makes it possible to reboot them from the gnome indicator-session applet
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| 09:36 | <Appiah> _within_ gnome
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| 09:36 | <alkisg> It also makes it possible to reboot them with a dbus call, eg. with iTalc
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| 09:36 | <Appiah> :)
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| 09:36 | dont think any of my users even has that allowed
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| 09:36 | nice
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| 09:36 | have yet to try iTalc again *sigh*
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| 09:37 | <alkisg> Appiah: unfortunately there's no policykit on the chroot, so checking for permissions isn't possible :)
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| 09:37 | That's why in Karmic those menus are enabled for everyone, even if they wouldn't have permission to reboot the server
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| 09:38 | But in LTSP the users are always able to reboot the clients from LDM, so there isn't a permission issue...
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| 10:48 | <pyxus> Hi, someone know how force a NIC detection?, when the client boot y receive the error message "Could not automatically detect the network card....", someone have the same problem?
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| 10:49 | <johnny> that probably means the network card isn't in there..
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| 10:49 | network card driver that is..
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| 10:50 | you will probably need rebuild the initial boot file to include your network card driver
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| 10:51 | <pyxus> thanks johnny, y see in the niclist file but i don't know what number is for my networkcard...
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| 10:56 | <pyxus> and I try adding the word "NIC=tg3" in the kernel command line but y receive a error in the IO option, do you know what is the correct value in the IO option? by default in the dhcpd.conf is IO=0x300
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| 11:13 | <alkisg> pyxus: what distro/version are you using?
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| 11:14 | * alkisg has tg3 on his laptop, and works fine as an ltsp client... | |
| 11:14 | <pyxus> fedora 11 with ltsp 3
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| 11:14 | <johnny> doubtful..
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| 11:14 | that's ltsp5
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| 11:17 | <pyxus> ok, but i need use the version 3 because is a requeriment by a project in my school
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| 11:23 | thanks I will investigate more if is possible with this version... thanks to all
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| 11:25 | <alkisg> pyxus: you might have understood something wrong in your project, afaik ltsp 3 and even 4 have been dead for quite some time.
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| 11:33 | <pyxus> ok, thanks alkisg I will ask my teacher if I can use the version 5
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| 11:43 | <johnny> there is no veresion 3
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| 11:43 | pyxus, your teacher must be talking about version 3 of something else..
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> johnny: there was a version 3
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| 11:48 | <johnny> was
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| 11:48 | yes
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| 11:48 | <Gadi> as well as a 2 and a 1
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| 11:48 | :)
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| 12:10 | <dro> i know this isn't a ltsp question but
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| 12:10 | I seem to be getting bus error often on 9.10
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| 12:10 | when I try to run a program
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| 13:18 | <ftherese> I moved /home/{users} to a new drive and mount it nfs in order to have the users home directories shared across multiple servers. now I am getting an error with Gconf, "dbus-launch failed to execute" when I try to open firefox among other programs. It is not a serious error in the case of firefox, but is for other programs. I found what seems like the same problem on a discussion group, but didn't find the working solution.
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| 13:18 | What do I need to do? What nfs lock program needs to be running where?
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| 13:20 | rpc.statd/rpc.lockd? Portmap? on the nfs server? on the other servers? on the thin clients?
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| 13:30 | <sbalneav> Where are you mounting the home dir? Back under /home?
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| 13:31 | Can you show your /etc/fstab on the pastebot?
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| 13:31 | !pastebot
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| 13:31 | <ltspbot> sbalneav: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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| 13:31 | <ftherese> it is mounted in /home/shared/{user}
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| 13:32 | <sbalneav> Well, then it's not their home dir anymore
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| 13:33 | their $HOME still points to /home/user, right?
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| 13:33 | <ftherese> I changed all the user's home directories (usermod -m -d /home/shared/{user}
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| 13:33 | <sbalneav> ooooh
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| 13:33 | bad move
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| 13:34 | When their accounts were all set up, it probably writes all the paths in their .files (i.e. .firefox, etc) to things like /home/user
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| 13:34 | you've now yanked all that away, and stuck it in a completely different place.
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| 13:34 | <ftherese> well... most of the users are users I created after changing the home drive
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| 13:34 | dir
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> ok, do THEY work correctly?
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| 13:35 | <ftherese> and I created them with the home directory
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| 13:35 | nope
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| 13:35 | <sbalneav> ok, so 3 things I want to see:
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| 13:35 | 1) a paste of a line from getent
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| 13:35 | i.e. getent passwd user
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| 13:36 | 2) your fstab entry for the mount
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| 13:36 | <ftherese> infobureau:x:1006:1006:Infobureau,,,:/home/shared/infobureau:/bin/bash
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| 13:36 | <sbalneav> 3) ls -ld /home/shared/user
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| 13:36 | <ftherese> I paste binned the first
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| 13:36 | second sorry
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> and I'm supposed to find it by mental telepathy? :)
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| 13:37 | <ftherese> ah
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> Or are you gonna paste the link?
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| 13:37 | <ftherese> I thought It would automatically put it here
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| 13:37 | http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m4feb80fc
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| 13:37 | drwxr-xr-x 50 infobureau infobureau 4096 2009-12-03 20:14 /home/shared/infobureau
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| 13:37 | <sbalneav> cifs?
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| 13:38 | <ftherese> that would be another share
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| 13:38 | the server3.local:/home/shared /home/shared nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
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| 13:38 | <sbalneav> ah. ok
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| 13:38 | <ftherese> is the one where the home dirs are
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| 13:39 | do I need to mount it nolock or something?
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> ok, what's the exact error you're getting?
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| 13:39 | <ftherese> I saw that at one point
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> no, heavens no
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| 13:39 | <ftherese> ok
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| 13:39 | <sbalneav> you NEED locking
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| 13:39 | <ftherese> Le contact du serveur de configuration a échoué ; causes possibles : vous n'avez pas activé le réseau TCP/IP pour ORBit ou des verrous NFS non valides existent suite à un blocage du système. Voir http://projects.gnome.org/gconf/ pour plus d'informations. (Détails - 1: La connexion à la session a échoué : Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session)
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| 13:40 | I went to that page
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| 13:40 | and it does address the problem with two possible solutions
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| 13:40 | <ftherese> but I don't know how to do the rpc.statd/rpc.lockd thing
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| 13:41 | <sbalneav> What package did you install on the nfs server? nfs-kernel-server?
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| 13:41 | <ftherese> and I tried the one suggesting setting GCONF_LOCAL_LOCK
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| 13:41 | yes, UBUNTU 9.x
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> No, you shouldn't need to set anything
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| 13:42 | have a check in /tmp
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| 13:42 | <ftherese> which tmp?
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| 13:42 | <sbalneav> does the user have a <user>-gconf dir there?
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| 13:42 | the one on the nfs client.
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| 13:43 | <ftherese> virtual-infobureau.AvoHW7
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| 13:43 | but no gconf
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| 13:44 | <sbalneav> did you install the nfs-common package on the nfs client machine?
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| 13:44 | <ftherese> the client server or the thin client?
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| 13:45 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep nfs-common
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| 13:45 | <ftherese> it is on the client server
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| 13:46 | and not on the thin client
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| 13:48 | <sbalneav> Doesn't need to be on the thin client itself
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| 13:48 | just on the thin client server
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| 13:48 | <ftherese> it is there
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> ps -ef | grep rpc
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| 13:50 | on the thin client server
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| 13:50 | <ftherese> statd 2059 1 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/rpc.statd
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| 13:50 | <sbalneav> should have rpc.statd and rpc.mountd
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| 13:50 | <ftherese> root 2500 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:02:54 [rpciod/0]
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| 13:50 | that's it
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| 13:52 | <sbalneav> dpkg -l | grep nfs-common
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| 13:53 | <ftherese> ii nfs-common 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu1
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| 13:59 | <sbalneav> hm
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| 13:59 | I use NFS home dirs here all the time.
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| 13:59 | on the nfs server:
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| 14:00 | <ftherese> any ideas?
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| 14:00 | <sbalneav> ps -ef | egrep "lockd|nfsd|mountd"
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| 14:01 | <ftherese> root 10 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:07 [kblockd/0]
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| 14:01 | root 2371 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [cifsoplockd]
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| 14:01 | root 14578 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [lockd]
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| 14:02 | <sbalneav> the nfsd's aren't there?
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| 14:02 | <ftherese> that was all that I got listed
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| 14:03 | <sbalneav> on the nfs server:
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| 14:03 | dpkg -l | grep nfs
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| 14:03 | <ftherese> oops
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| 14:03 | I wasn't on the nfs server
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| 14:04 | on the nfs server:
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| 14:04 | root 2531 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:00 [nfsd4]
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| 14:04 | <sbalneav> to the pastebin please
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| 14:04 | there's going to be a few lines
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| 14:04 | <ftherese> root 2532 2 0 Nov25 ? 00:03:51 [nfsd] * 8
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| 14:05 | and root 2543 1 0 Nov25 ? 00:00:03 /usr/sbin/rpc.mountd --manage-gids
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| 14:05 | along with the kblockd cifsoplockd and lockd
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| 14:06 | <sbalneav> No lockd?
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| 14:06 | there is a lockd?
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> there is a lockd
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| 14:07 | <sbalneav> Any messages on the thin client server in dmesg?
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| 14:07 | <ftherese> [639141.631292] CIFS VFS: Send error in SessSetup = -5
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| 14:07 | [655626.418580] gnome-panel[31950]: segfault at bc753 ip b7d66d70 sp bff5d4e0 error 4 in libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1600.1[b7af2000+3a9000]
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| 14:08 | I've got a constant stream of cifs errors
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| 14:09 | but nothing for nfs
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| 14:09 | or lockd
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| 14:09 | or gconf
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| 14:11 | <sbalneav> Well, I can't see that you've done anything particularily WRONG.
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| 14:12 | I would expect the ones you MOVED to not work quite correcly, but the ones created on the nfs home dir should certainly work correctly
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| 14:12 | <ftherese> hmmm... on another program it reports that it is unable to connect to the gconf server
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| 14:12 | or something like that
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| 14:13 | and that program flat doesn't work right now
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| 14:13 | I'll be back in about 20 min. if you come up with any ideas
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| 14:13 | thanks for your help so far
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| 14:14 | <sbalneav> I'm assuming you've KILLED any existing running gconfs since you moved the home dirs, yes?
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| 14:24 | <alkisg> sbalneav: in ldm.c, after "x_session(); loginfo(_("X session ended."));", is X still running? Could ldm read an xprop at that point?
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| 14:32 | <sbalneav> Yes.
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| 14:33 | <alkisg> Danke :)
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| 17:14 | <vagrantc> all this talk of grub.cfg on ltsp-discuss reminds me of my grub2 branch i haven't merged in
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| 19:20 | <sbalneav> evening all
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| 19:20 | fom the cafe :)
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| 19:34 | * sbalneav digs into the dbus code | |
| 19:36 | <johnny> sbalneav, what are you doing?
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| 19:36 | did you talk to dbus guys ? perhaps there should be an ltsp and dbus project meeting
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| 19:37 | <sbalneav> Trying to learn a little . We prpbably should hve a meeing, but I don't know enough about dbus yet to be able to talk about it in the vaguest terms
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| 19:38 | So I'm trying to get myself to te poing where I can at least ask semi-intelligent questions :)
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| 19:38 | gah, hard to type with the netbook in my lap :)
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| 19:40 | dunno of you saw, but sabayon has a manual now :)
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| 19:40 | if you saw
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| 19:42 | <johnny> sbalneav, so you do have d-feet and/or dbus-inspector right?
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| 19:42 | it's nice to play with to know what you can do
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| 19:42 | and of course.. dbus-send..
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| 19:42 | d-feet is a nice simple gui way
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| 19:44 | <sbalneav> no, I'll have to look into that.
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| 19:45 | thnks fo the tip
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| 19:45 | aaaargh
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| 19:45 | I sound like clibw
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| 19:45 | <johnny> d-feet is a good way just to get a good feel for what you're computer will let you do and script
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| 19:45 | <sbalneav> cliebow
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| 19:45 | <johnny> sbalneav, somebody wrote something applescript ish on top of dbus
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| 19:45 | as in.. it maps directly to dbus methods
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| 19:45 | the commands/functions of the language that is..
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| 19:46 | <sbalneav> ok, kid's here, gotta go, back on in an hour
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| 19:46 | <johnny> sbalneav, and a simple tool for you to look at
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| 19:48 | <ehrenpr> does anyone know how to rebuild the kiwi-ltsp image, after using the rebuilt image?
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