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Channel log from 7 June 2020 (all times are UTC)
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| 10:14 | <fiesh> wow didn't know about x2go though, so thanks for that information, markit-who-aint-here-no-more
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| 11:22 | <alkisg> fiesh: xrdp might be a better option than x2go
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| 11:22 | And it might even work on wayland later on...
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| 11:24 | <fiesh> oh I see
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| 11:24 | thanks for the hint
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| 11:24 | <alkisg> np
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| 15:04 | <markit> alkisg: hi, I've a new lab with recent Intel Nuc pc, probably they are able to do http boot, I don't understand how to try and if https://github.com/ltsp/ltsp/issues/75 has the solution with +dhcp-boot=tag:iPXE,"http://${next-server}/ltsp/ltsp.ipxe"
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| 16:08 | <alkisg> markit: why do you want to do http boot, is tftp slow?
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| 16:22 | <markit> alkisg: boot seems fast enough, but if I can have "cheap" faster one, it's welcome :)
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| 16:23 | btw, do I really need "NFS_HOME=1" in ltsp.conf? I don't have it and was sure it's using nfs for home (fstab_home=... nfs stuff)
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| 16:26 | (if I use mount | grep home in a client, I see is nfs4 mounted)
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| 16:28 | <alkisg> markit: NFS_HOME=1 is for `ltsp nfs` to automatically generate the correct exports, without passing a --nfs-home=1 parameter
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| 16:28 | Try to add http://... to the boot filename in ltsp-dnsmasq.conf
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| 16:28 | And set up an http server in /srv/tftp
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| 16:28 | <markit> ah I see, that explains why --nfs-home=1 is not specified in the example
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| 16:29 | btw, I find a bit confusing ltsp.conf with a mix and match of parameters for ltsp command and parameters for ltsp "work"
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| 16:31 | do you mean a web server that has /srv/tftp as "root dir", right? I'll have a look, and do some performance test, thanks a lot
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| 16:32 | <alkisg> Right,
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| 16:32 | regarding the confusion, what do you mean?
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| 16:32 | All parameters in ltsp.conf get into the environment; existing environment variables also work; and parameters also work
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| 16:32 | It's the normal way for all programs, not just for ltsp
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| 16:35 | <markit> from the "developer" prospecting, you are right, they are the same. From the "user" point of view, I've parameters that set the "client environment" (like FSTAB_, NAT etc) and other that are NOT related to the "runtime" of ltsp, like "MKSQUASHFS_PARAMS"
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> And that's what the sections [server] and [client] are for...
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| 16:36 | <markit> in the "[server]" section I think there are parameters for the "ltsp runtime server side"
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| 16:36 | <alkisg> Would you prefer separate files instead? I think it would just be more confugsing
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| 16:36 | <markit> I will do
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| 16:36 | would
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| 16:37 | whatever :)
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| 16:37 | <alkisg> ltsp.conf already has a lot of sections, for [OLD_MONITOR] or for [mac:address]
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| 16:37 | And the administrator is expected to understand how they're all combined etc
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| 16:37 | Having a common place for TFTP_DIR or DNS_SERVER, that affects both clients and server, makes sense
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| 16:38 | <markit> like "NFS_HOME=1" I don't understand at first sight if is a "runtime" (enables NFS stuff) of "default config of ltsp command" parameter
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| 16:38 | <alkisg> Now you can even have the same ltsp.conf in different servers
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| 16:38 | And use [server-mac1] and [server-mac2]
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| 16:38 | To execute different commands and parameters on each different ltsp server
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| 16:39 | NFS_HOME isn't in ltsp.conf, so it's not for the clients
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| 16:39 | All command line parameters can be defined as ltsp.conf options
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| 16:39 | So, it's --nfs-home that's documented
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| 16:39 | (in `man ltsp nfs`)
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| 16:40 | <markit> I understand, but don't agree that command line parameters "defaults" and "runtime parameters" be in the same file
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| 16:40 | I will get used to it of course, but is not the first time I get confused
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| 16:41 | <alkisg> Another example. You may use this:
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| 16:41 | [server]
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| 16:41 | POST_SERVICE_DO_SOMETHING="blah"
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| 16:41 | This runs blah when the *server* boots
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| 16:42 | <markit> really?
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| 16:42 | * markit takes note | |
| 16:42 | <alkisg> It's extremely flexible, but more on that later, gotta go!
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| 16:42 | See you!
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| 16:42 | <markit> thanks a lot as usual :)
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| 19:08 | <alkisg> So, another example: [server1-mac] NFS_HOME=1, and [server2-mac] NFS_HOME=0, this would allow having the same ltsp.conf on two servers, where one of them has nfs home enabled, and the other one not
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| 19:09 | I.e. this scheme allows [mac address] sections to affect servers as well
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| 19:10 | <vagrantc> /8/8
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| 19:10 | hah
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| 19:10 | * vagrantc waves :) | |
| 19:10 | <alkisg> Hey vagrantc
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| 19:10 | How are things? No news from you in a while...
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| 19:11 | <vagrantc> not too much goings on
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| 19:11 | you're still busy improving LTSP i see :)
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| 19:11 | <alkisg> Nah, it's been mostly paused until August when I'll refresh it to prepare it for schools
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| 19:12 | But I've used it in ~20 schools so far, so I don't expect many things to change
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| 19:12 | It even supported multiseat with just 1 additional file... it's flexible
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| 19:12 | You? Mostly working on reproducible builds?
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| 19:13 | <vagrantc> yeah, it seems nicely flexible
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| 19:13 | mostly reproducible builds and my solar project ... some arm laptops ... arm boards ... a bit of guix ... the usual :)
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| 19:14 | <alkisg> Heh, I need to try guix at some point
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| 19:15 | <vagrantc> instead of getting thrown around in aikido, swinging sticks around in the park
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| 19:15 | alkisg: part of me thinks you'll love it ... and but i also suspect you'll find it a mess :)
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Currently I'm doing a sprint to finish my phd... it's going well, the questionnaire is already uploaded in surveymonkey... hopefully I'll finish it until xmas and have enough time for experimenting with all these new tools...
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| 19:22 | <vagrantc> alkisg: what's the nature of your phd?
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| 19:24 | <alkisg> In 3rd grade of greek high schools, a theoretical programming language was used, similar to pseudocode. I developed an IDE+intepreter for it, and supported it in a forum for around 2 decades. It's a mix of all that, plus educational issues regarding the lesson
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| 19:25 | <vagrantc> seems more than theoretical then :)
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| 19:26 | <alkisg> I teached that course in a school in 2000, and I saw the need for it; when I published it, thousands of teachers started using it because they didn't want to keep teaching in the blackboard...
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| 19:26 | Then they never put me in a high school again :P
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| 19:28 | markit: another example is DEFAULT_IMAGE, KERNEL_PARAMETERS and MENU_TIMEOUT. These are per client, so they go under [mac-address]. But, it's `ltsp ipxe` that uses them, to generate the appropriate ltsp.ipxe
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| 19:29 | So if I was to follow the idea of a separate server.conf, then you'd need to put client mac addresses there as well
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| 20:03 | <markit> alkisg: is not the idea of separate server.conf, but separate "command default" from ltsp configuration
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| 20:04 | "multiseat"? very interesting
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