IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 June 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<Barni>
hi all
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i have a qauetion
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is there any tool which helps to search for files
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???
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<rcy>
Barni: locate and find
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<Barni>
in X windows ???
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without to run updatedb???
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it's needed for LTSP thin clients
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<rcy>
oh
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<Barni>
for example, if somebody creates file and the updatedb process is starting periodically, for example daily, and to be able to find files without to run it...
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<nsar>
hello, does openmosix can migrate entire ltsp apps from station to station cause i know that it migrates only single thread apps?
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<nsar>
hello vanya
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<vanya>
hi
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<nsar>
are u using ltsp?
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<vanya>
yes
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<nsar>
did u use also openmosix?
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<vanya>
no
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<nsar>
i need to make all the apps to migrate on all the stations
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<garbat>
salve
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ho appena finito di configurare la mia rete con ltsp-5
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sotto ubuntu feisty
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<garbat>
c'è nessuno?
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ho dei problemi con lo smontaggio delle periferiche locali
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<Avatara>
rere
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<cliebow>
there\
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8~)
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ping 192.168.1.1
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<rafaelcardoso>
I'm using ltsp 4.2, how to slow mouse speed? usb or ps/2?
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<_JR_>
bom dia a todos
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<str4nd>
English please.
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<_JR_>
alguem ja mexeu com KRFB (compartilhador de area de trabalho) no ltsp ?
07:35
<str4nd>
English only.
07:35
rafaelcardoso: "LTSP-5.0 is the current version that you should be using." :)
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<rafaelcardoso>
hehe JR brasileiro eh?
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<cliebow_>
_JR_, :watch for Guaraldo..perhaps he can help..
07:38
<_JR_>
rafalcardoso sim
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<rafaelcardoso>
ltsp 4.2 works fine, only issue is mouse speed
07:40
<_JR_>
rafaelcardoso "o pessoal aqui fala mais em ingles"
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<rafaelcardoso>
using rdesktop script, in lts.conf have mouse speed to 100
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eh suporte em ingles neh
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entao fale a lingua deles
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<Guaraldo>
_JR_: Opa... /join #ltsp-br
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<_JR_>
blz .. vlw
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<Guaraldo>
_JR_: O canal em português... :-D
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<rafaelcardoso>
rdesktop in ltsp 5, have same bug in ltsp 4.2, within CAPS on windows keys, ctrl + c don't work?
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<nsar>
hello
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beyond openmosix that doesn´t migrate multithreaded apps can i use openssi or lvs for process migration to the stations?
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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ogra: ping
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<nsar>
hello jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey nsar
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<ogra>
jammcq, pong
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey, do you have any of the pictures from the hackfest at my office?
09:15
<ogra>
yup, but not online ...
09:15
<jammcq>
I'm giving a talk today in Minneapolis, and I'd like to show the group photo
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the one from my backyard, that showed all the developers
09:16
<ogra>
lets see if f-spot is willing to give it to me :)
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<jammcq>
I'm thinking scotty has the pictures, but he's not online yet
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<nsar>
in one channel they had told me that linux is a madness that come
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in one channel they had told me that linux is a madness that come´s and passess they are really crazy they are really disslike linux
09:18
<mss_>
I am logginging into a 7.04 edubuntu ltsp client , but it gives me just a blank white screen with arrow cursor after starting session
09:18
<jammcq>
nsar: I'd stay away from that channel
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<mss_>
if AI change ldm to startx, I am able to get a good session
09:19
any idea on what could be wroong ?
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<nsar>
did you configure correctly xdmcp ?
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<mss_>
I already tried the ssh update keys, it does not help
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<nsar>
did you allow on the xserver tcp connections?
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<ogra>
jammcq, copying them to http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/detroit_hackfest_pics/ right now
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<yhan>
hi
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<ogra>
beware, they are uncompressed
09:20
<yhan>
I've a question regarding this term : http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/info/ltsp_t1220.html
09:20
<jammcq>
ogra: thanks, much appreciated
09:20
<nsar>
i was trying with gdm also and i face the same problem mss_ until i use gdmconfig to fix it
09:20
<mss_>
I di not know I have to configure xdmcp - startx works fine, so why doesn't ldm ?
09:20
<yhan>
is it possible to use the accelerated graphic mode with ltsp 5.0 ?
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<nsar>
ldm?
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did you look the configuration files ?
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or you got the default configuration setup
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<mss_>
yes - the supported display manager for edubuntu clients
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what should I look for ?
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<nsar>
can i see the config file?
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<mss_>
which one ?
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<nsar>
not here
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of the ldm
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<jammcq>
yhan: that terminal requires the openchrome driver, which is in universe, I think
09:22
<mss_>
:-)
09:22
which file is that ? lts.conf ?
09:22
<ogra>
jammcq, nope it isnt you need to build it manually
09:22
<jammcq>
ogra: really?
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<ogra>
i want to have it in gutsy, but its not in feisty
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<jammcq>
k
09:22
<ogra>
it clashes with the unichrome drier which is in universe as well
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<nsar>
where you are uploading text output remind please
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<yhan>
does anyone using that term ?
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<jammcq>
ogra: I don't have permission to see those pics you put up :(
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<ogra>
whoops
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<yhan>
jammcq, xserver-xorg-driver-via package ?
09:26
<mss_>
nsar - are you asking me that ?
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<jammcq>
yhan: dunno.
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<rafaelcardoso>
what chipset via you use?
09:28
<nsar>
to see the config files of ldm and ltsp if i can see if you had miss something
09:28
<ogra>
jammcq, should work now
09:29
yhan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
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<yhan>
I'm on the point to buy the terminals actually
09:29
ogra thanks
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<mss_>
which is the ldm config file ?
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<mss_>
# This is the default lts.conf file for ltsp 5.
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# For more information about valid options please see:
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# /usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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# in the client environment
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[default]
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# SERVER=10.11.12.254
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SOUND=True
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LOCALDEV=True
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NBD_SWAP=True
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SYSLOG=server
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SCREEN_03=ldm
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# SCREEN_04=startx
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X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
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X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 75.00 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync
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# X_MODE_0 = 1280x1024 108.00 1280 1328 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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that's the lts.conf file I have
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<jammcq>
ogra: awesome pictures, thanks
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<mss_>
looks like nsar gave up on me :-)
09:38
any ideas on what to look for ogra ?
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<Guaraldo>
!ltsppbot
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<ltspbot>
Guaraldo: Error: "ltsppbot" is not a valid command.
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<Guaraldo>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
Guaraldo: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:42
<mss_>
thanks
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<vagrantc>
mss_: X_MODE_0 only supports the screen dimensions, not the whole line
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i.e. X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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<mss_>
vagrantc : ok .. but is that why the screen is going blank after logging into the session ?
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because of the extra stuff ?
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<vagrantc>
mss_: does it go blank and stay that way indefinitely, or does it come back to the login screen ?
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<mss_>
the white screen and the arrow cursor stay on indefinitely ... the cursor moves with the mouse ...
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also, if I use startx instead of ldm, it works fine
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<vagrantc>
mss_: which linux distro ?
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<mss_>
edubuntu 7.04
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<vagrantc>
mss_: and messages in /home/user/.xsession-errors ?
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<mss_>
vagrantc : sending you the .xsession-errors
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<vagrantc>
mss_: use the pastebot
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<ltsppbot>
"mss_" pasted "~/.xsession-errors" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/177
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<mss_>
there it is
09:59
I noticed session manager says ICE-unix , is that right ?
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
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nothin obvious to me
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<mss_>
it looks like the session is up - just in some vague state ...the mouse / cursor is moving ...
10:10
vagrantc - thanks anyway .. I think I'll send an email to the lists...
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bye
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<Blinny>
I continue to experience random FF crashes with 'BadAlloc' errors on multiple video chipsets and computers. Does anyone have a real, actual idea of what causes this?
10:26
I've read everything from xserver's uncompressed pixmap caching to errors in the xservers to FF errors
10:27
This has occurred 5 times so far this morning when using a LTSP 1225e terminal with the disklessworkstation-provided via openchrome driver.
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<Blinny>
I spent close to $5k on a server trying to get this organization away from the grips of Microsoft licenses and I can't find a single thin client that doesn't crash.
10:31
I'd really appreciate some concerted, focused help on this issue. Unfortunately this channel seems to be primarily a tool for developer communication, not All Things LTSP, as it is advertised.
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<sepski>
Blinny, ltsp on what os ?
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<Blinny>
sepski: Fedora. This is K12LTSP
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v4.2
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<sepski>
oohh sorry i dont know much about ltsp pre ltsp5
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<Blinny>
Well, thanks for responding (;
10:47
<sepski>
you can try a premade os with ltsp out of the box ? like debian-edu or skolelinux
10:47
<Blinny>
That's what K12LTSP is.
10:47
<sepski>
atlest to get some motivation from seaing it "work"
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<Blinny>
I do see it work; at least, until Firefox crashes.
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Blinny>
Morning.
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<Lumiere>
Blinny: hi it is a help channel
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<Lumiere>
just have to have the people on who can help ;)
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hi all
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XDMCP: fatal error: Session declined Maximum number of open sessions reached
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<sbalneav>
Someone need help with something?
11:54
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
with gdmn
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gdm
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<Lumiere>
sbalneav: see if you can help Blinny :)
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<sbalneav>
kaminski-ltsp-br: you need to bump up the max sessions in gdm
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav: ok... and restart the gdm too?
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<Blinny>
sbalneav: I need help with an easily-reproduced crashbug.
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<sbalneav>
kaminski-ltsp-br: yep. Unfortunately.
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
MaxSessions=100
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sbalneav: all right... ;)
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thx
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<sbalneav>
np
11:57
Blinny: ....and the problem you're having is?
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<Lumiere>
10:20:36 < Blinny> I continue to experience random FF crashes with 'BadAlloc' errors on multiple video chipsets and computers. Does anyone have a real, actual idea of what causes this?
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<Lumiere>
*saves time*
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10:21:00 < Blinny> I've read everything from xserver's uncompressed pixmap caching to errors in the xservers to FF errors
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<Blinny>
Thanks.
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<sbalneav>
You're probably running out of swap.
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Do you have swap turned on for the workstations?
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<Blinny>
Yeah, I have a certain page that will consistently crash my new LTSP 1225e
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<sbalneav>
what's the page?
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<Blinny>
sbalneav: http://www.alp-tschingla.ch/pics.htm
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multiple big pics scaled down on the same page
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I can force a crash by browsing around overstock.com's 100-shoes-per-page, however this is much quicker
11:59
I do not have swap turned on. Do you mean the 'USE_NDB_SWAP' setting?
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<sbalneav>
Yep
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You'll need it.
12:00
Firefox allocates ram for pixmaps on the X server.
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<Blinny>
Should that be on by default?
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...or just for the problematic clients?
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<sbalneav>
If you run out of ram on the workstation, your firefox will die.
12:00
What distro are you running?
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<Blinny>
Fedora6
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<sbalneav>
I'd turn it on for everyone.
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<Blinny>
(k12LTSPv6 based on 4.2)
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OK.
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Got a second to let me reboot this terminal and test?
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<sbalneav>
You'll need the ltspswapd as well.
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav: the default max sessions at gdm is only 16
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<sbalneav>
kaminski-ltsp-br: yeah, they set it pretty low.
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Different distros set it differently.
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<Blinny>
ltspswapd is running
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
sbalneav: at sarge was different
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<Blinny>
BRB
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<Blinny>
sbalneav: That worked.
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sbalneav: Thank you. I've been wrestling with this problem since April.
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<sbalneav>
No problem.
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<Blinny>
...as have other K12LTSPers - I'll share this bit with the list. Again, thank you.
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<sbalneav>
It's been beaten to death about 50 million times on the ltsp-discuss list. GIYF.
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<Blinny>
Maybe I should re-join that list.
12:16
Googling for the error I got when debugging firefox ('BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)') only turns up 11k hits.
12:16
The k12 list (including jammcq) didn't seem to have this information either. I'll be sure to pass it on. Thank you.
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<vagrantc>
heya!
13:41
finally getting ltspfs and sound support in debian more solid :)
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<jammcq>
coolio
13:47* vagrantc tested LDM_DIRECTX too
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<vagrantc>
gnome was really unstable for some reason
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<rjune_>
Hola!
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<yigal>
hi guys.. thanks for yesterday's support. Hope you have patients for anothe round
14:10
The issue is LTSP.. I installed Edubuntu server edition, and I managed to prepare floppy for the client and also to set it up as network boot
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now I dont know how to tell the server to accept this client, or to tell the client which server to access
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hope someone has an idea
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<sbalneav>
That's what dhcpd is for.
14:12
What happens when you boot the client with the floppy?
14:12
By the way, have you read through the edubuntu handbook?
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<yigal>
i get endless lines which looks lige 386 registers set: AX:0212 BX:0000 CX:0000 DX:0000
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and yes, I read too many manuals. I couldnt locate simple one for dummies
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<sbalneav>
You're setting up network bootable thin clients.
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It's not an easy thing to do.
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<yigal>
i thought it's easy with Edubuntu
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<sbalneav>
It's definitely easier than trying to set things up manually with ltsp 4.2
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<sbalneav>
First question: what kind of ethernet card do you have in the client?
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<yigal>
sis-900 based
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<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<sbalneav>
Does it have a built-in PXE client?
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<yigal>
i dont know. I used rom-o-matic to generate the floppy when i tried floppy, and gave same result
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<sbalneav>
Have you checked in the BIOS of that machine, to see if there's a "Network Boot" option?
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<vagrantc>
yigal: ttry one of the floppies mentioned above. they support most network cards without having to know which you have.
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<vagrantc>
but sbalneav 's sugegstion is better. see if your machine supports network boot
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: He might not need it if the bios has a PXE client built in.
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<yigal>
yes - there is a boot option and i tried it and it gave exect same result as floppy boot
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: :)
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<sbalneav>
OK, why don't you tell us exactly what you got.
14:17
Did it get an IP address?
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<yigal>
i said it few lines above:
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i get endless lines which looks lige 386 registers set: AX:0212 BX:0000 CX:0000 DX:0000
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these lines repeat themselves
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<sbalneav>
Did it say "Downloading kernel"?
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<yigal>
no
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but i am not sure the server is set properly
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<sbalneav>
Did it grab an IP address?
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<yigal>
i dont think so... how can i tell? I get endless loop
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<sbalneav>
When you turn it on, you'll see it say somthing like DHCP...
14:19
Then it will usually print an IP address
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<yigal>
it just say: AX=0212 BX=0000 CX=000 DX=000 , endlessly
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<sbalneav>
then it will begin downloading the kernel, usually displaying some dots to indicate it's progress.
14:20
So it says NOTHING else?
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<yigal>
yes
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<sbalneav>
Then you have a problem with the thin client.
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<yigal>
it's a P4 PC working well when it boots the hard drive, but I will try another PC
14:21
stay tuned. thanks so far.
14:22
<cottima>
hello, is there good documentation for ltsp 5.0 from the ground up. I switched to debian for the compatibility.
14:22
<sbalneav>
cottima: At the moment, documentation for LTSP5's a little thin
14:22
Check out LTSP.org for what we've got.
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<vagrantc>
!debian
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<vagrantc>
there's room for improvement. that's why it's a wiki
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cottima: there's not a lot there. but some starters
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<cottima>
sbalneav, so is 4.2 docs still an okay to get an idea of how it works and how to configure?
14:24* vagrantc prepares new ltsp and ltspfs uploads for debian
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<sbalneav>
There's still some good information there.
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<vagrantc>
but a lot of it is misleading ...
14:25
<sbalneav>
The best, most current info is at the edubunu handbook.
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<cottima>
okay, thank you. also
14:25
Also, I have at least 200Mhz, about 2GB hdd, and 128MB ram for thin clients. Is there a way to have some of the resources or a debian install on the clients to relieve server system resources?
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<sbalneav>
http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/
14:26
At the moment, localapps are a very do-it-yourself proposition.
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so, unless you're familiar with doing some scripting to get things set up, probably not.
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<gonzaloaf_work>
does ltsp 4.2 install and work good under the latest version of Ubuntu?
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<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: why not ltsp5 ?
14:34
<gonzaloaf_work>
because I use local devices and autologin (gdm)
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<Q-FUNK>
is ltsp-5 packaged for feisty?
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<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: yes
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!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
14:35
<yigal>
guys.. I am back - the other PC is based on Marvel Yukon. No binary on rom-o-matic but once i enabled the BIOS I could try booting.. and it looks better now:
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first i got MAC: 00 0e a6 91 1f 68
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then GUID with lots of numbers
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last: no bootfile name found
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<gonzaloaf_work>
is local devices and autologin available for ltsp5?
14:36
<yigal>
i think it's time to set the server, I dont know how
14:36
<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: local devices work, but autologin requires some patches
14:37
<sbalneav>
yigal: please tell me a little bit about your network topology. Does your edubuntu have one ethernet card, or two? Is your edubuntu box the only dhcp server on the network?
14:37
<gonzaloaf_work>
vagrantc, ltsp5 uses ldm right? this was one difficulty that I found when migrating to ltsp5
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<vagrantc>
gonzaloaf_work: yes.
14:38
<yigal>
I hav edimax router, the edubuntu machine has one network card
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<sbalneav>
Does the edimax router hand out dhcp addresses?
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<yigal>
yes
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<sbalneav>
That's going to be a problem.
14:39
<yigal>
best solution would be?
14:40
<sbalneav>
Normally, what I suggest to people is install another card into the edubuntu machine, and hang the terminals off of a separate switch/hub. Another possibulity is to configure both DHCP servers to hand out static IP address I.e. tied to a mac address, so they don't stomp on each other.
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<yigal>
what if we tell edubunto not to assign IPs and let the router only do that? no contension in that case
14:42
<sbalneav>
Yes, but then you have to tell your router to hand out such magic information as the boot file name, and the root NFS server path.
14:42
<vagrantc>
yigal: better the other way around.
14:43
<sbalneav>
Most simple routers won't handle that.
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<yigal>
I have 7 working computers at home, some static IPs some dynamic - I am not sure I understood what the router cany handle. Once the network card i sbooting, the router assigns the IP, right?
14:45
<vagrantc>
yes, but your DHCP server (the router) needs to tell the thin client additional information beyond just the IP address
14:45
many routers don't support that additional information
14:45
<yigal>
i see. like what?
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<sbalneav>
Correct, but the DHCP protocol is capable to assign more than just an IP address.
14:46
<vagrantc>
root path, and boot file
14:46
<sbalneav>
A thin client needs to know several things:
14:46
it's IP address, for a start, but..
14:46
It also needs to know what file to download to get booted,
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and what server it should mount it's root from
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Typically, the little dhcp server in most routers ONLY can supply the IP address.
14:47
<yigal>
is there a way the server can say: "mount on me, baby"?
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<sbalneav>
Yes
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Through DHCP.
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<yigal>
:)
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<sbalneav>
So, if you have a seconds ethernet card, and a separate switch, the two dhcp servers won't bump into each other.
14:48
If you shut down the dhcp server on the router, and use edubuntu as your dhcp server, that will work too.
14:49
<yigal>
ok.... here is what I will do next: I will put secondary network card, and try to connect the client to this card.
14:49
<sbalneav>
yep.
14:49
<yigal>
I will not shut the DHCP on the server,, looks bad direction
14:49
but ... but....
14:50
<sbalneav>
What is your main IP address range? 192.168.2.X? If I remember?
14:50
Then make the second card 192.168.0.254
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<yigal>
yes
14:50
ok
14:51
now I have more work... again.... mostly to find a switching cable if i have to connect the PCs directly
14:51
long time since I used these ones
14:51
thanks again for now
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<yigal>
one last Q: how can i determine network card and MAC address of an old PC which I cant install OS on it (low mem). Is there a small linux/DOS I can use for that? what util?
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<sbalneav>
yigal: is it a separate card?
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<yigal>
yes
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<sbalneav>
I usually just pop the card out, and look at it. Most of them have the mac address printed on them somewhere. :)
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<yigal>
no simple util that does that?
15:02
or "DOS like linux"?
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<sbalneav>
no, not usually, because that util would have to know about every different kind of network card.
15:03
etherboot could tell you as well.
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<yigal>
ok... although i would expect it just to report MAC, vendor and type
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<sbalneav>
it needs to know about the card for that.
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<yigal>
i see
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thanks
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<testing>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<testing>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<testing>
vagrantc, Ok I'm gonzaloaf from another pc, I have decided try ltsp5 again
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<vagrantc>
testing: on debian or ubuntu ?
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<testing>
vagrantc, I would love to try it on debian, but I think ubuntu has a later version of xfce on its repos
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
15:57
i can't get ltspfs to build anymore ... on etch or sid.
15:57
./configure: line 3380: syntax error near unexpected token `LTSPFSD,'
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./configure: line 3380: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LTSPFSD, x11)'
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<sbalneav>
Hmm
16:00
doesn't do it for mine.
16:00
What version of autoconf and automake do you have installed?
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<vagrantc>
yeah, and stratus just uploaded a new one
16:01
<sbalneav>
ii autoconf 2.61-3
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<vagrantc>
ii autoconf 2.61-4 automatic configure script builder
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<sbalneav>
ii automake1.9 1.9.6+nogfdl-3ubuntu1
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<vagrantc>
ii automake 1.10+nogfdl-1 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles
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<sbalneav>
wierd
16:03* vagrantc tries with automake1.9
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<vagrantc>
much better
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<sbalneav>
Hmm
16:08
Wonder what's changed between am1.9 and am1.10
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<testing>
I have executed ltsp-build-client but it failed, now do I have to remove the /opt/ltsp directory before try again?
16:16
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
testing: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<sbalneav>
testing: Something you might find handy would be to use the --mirror option, in conjunction with something like apt-cacher
16:17
Yes, it's best to rm /opt/ltsp
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<testing>
sbalneav, so it will retrieve all pkgs from then net?
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again?
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<sbalneav>
yes
16:18
You can shorten this quite a bit by doing the following:
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install apt-cacher
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cp the contents of your /var/cache/apt/archives/* dir into the import folder for apt-cacher,
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running the script they inform you about on the man page.
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then, everything you've already got on the box will already be in the apt-cacher.
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<testing>
sbalneav, where is the apt-cacher import directory?
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<sbalneav>
Off the top of my head, can't remember
16:24
Install apt-cacher, then man apt-cacher.
16:24
<testing>
:$
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<sahil>
if im trying to do lbe on x86_64 will it still compile for i386?
18:22
cliebow:ping
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also im trying to do the build_all fetch and im failing to get a package 19:22:09 Fetching: sh-utils-2.0.tar.gz FAILED !
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<cliebow>
sahil:im beatt..
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<petre>
sbalneav, ping
21:45
<sbalneav>
Hey there!
21:45
How's the conference?
21:45
<petre>
great! you were missed by many
21:46
had a great multi-steak dinner tonight
21:46
<sbalneav>
Wasn't missed by the one most important to me, though :)
21:46
Good steak?
21:46
Gadi give a good talk?
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<petre>
True, you made the right choice
21:46
Steak dinner was great
21:47
or I should say, steaks dinner
21:47
yes, Gadi was great, his talk covered everything I wanted to know
21:47
which was basically "why doesn't sound work well in ltsp?"
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He explained the history, layers, etc
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<sbalneav>
yeah, if everything used a proper audio stack, we'd be fine.
21:48
I always like to say: "Still writing to /dev/dsp? The '80's called, and wants their sound access back" :)
21:49
<petre>
jammcq said you've been pounding on moving something written in python to C that improves 5's boot time
21:49
LDM?
21:49
<sbalneav>
yep, I'm working on it as we speak.
21:49
Yeah, it's the display manager.
21:49
It's one of the factors that makes ltsp5 a little slow
21:49
<petre>
so, what does that cut the boot time to?
21:49
<sbalneav>
we're fixing it.
21:50
Well, I have a box here that under the LTSP5 in feisty takes about 2:20 to boot.
21:50
<petre>
we had an ebox 2300 here and jammcq mentioned it takes 4:30 to boot under 5
21:50
<sbalneav>
In the new gutsy, it's about 73 seconds.
21:50
the 2300's booot in about 1:30 now
21:51
<petre>
4.2 is < 30 seconds (not on the 2300)
21:51
think you'll get close to that?
21:51
<sbalneav>
Nope.
21:51
Never.
21:51
<petre>
'cause of ssh?
21:51
<sbalneav>
no
21:51
Because 4.2 was completely and utterly custom tweaked.
21:51
I'm not really impressed by the 2300
21:52
<petre>
performance-wise, neither am I
21:52
<sbalneav>
About the only thing going for it is that it's cheap.
21:52
Jammcq obsesses over boot time.
21:52
I tend not to.
21:52
<petre>
price- and size-wise, it's noteworthy
21:52
<sbalneav>
5 minuets is too long, certainly
21:53
<petre>
when doing demos, boot time can influence how people respond
21:53
feeds into their perception of how 'fast' it is
21:53
<sbalneav>
I don't care what people think of ltsp.
21:53
<petre>
OTOH, I suppose one could just talk during the boot
21:53
<sbalneav>
They can use it or not.
21:54
I don't do this because of what OTHER people think of ltsp.
21:54
I do this because it solves MY need. :)
21:54
Scratches MY itch.
21:54
<petre>
I care when my children's school is laying off teacher assistants but still buys fat Macs
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but yeah, I agree, best to focus on one's own itches
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<petre>
We'll do NCLS again next year, and hope that you can join us
21:57
<sbalneav>
Might be a bit better to hold it a little closer to the end of June, when all the "last concerts/games/competitions/etc" are done.
21:58
<petre>
It also might make it easier for David Trask and/or Matt O. to come out, talk about ldap and all they've done
21:58
<sbalneav>
Prolly.
21:58
<petre>
But I worry if we push farther back in June, we'll lose people to summer vacations
21:58
teachers and school folk who we invite for the first day
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<jammcq>
hey all
21:59
<petre>
hey jammcq, long time no see
21:59
<jammcq>
petre: hey
22:00
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
22:00
<jammcq>
!s
22:00
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:00
<jammcq>
sbalneav: sure wish you coulda been here in Mnpls
22:01
<sbalneav>
Well, I had someone here who needed me more :)
22:02* petre agrees with sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
rats, why won't this work.
22:02
<jammcq>
sbalneav: yeah, I know
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<sbalneav>
ah.
22:02
that's why :)
22:02* sbalneav realizes he's talking to himself
22:05* petre is exhausted and needs to go to bed
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<petre>
g'night all
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