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Channel log from 14 January 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<Guest10205>
hello
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<muppis>
Hello.
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<Guest10205>
can anyone help me?
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I have a problem booting via etherboot an ltsp ubuntu 10.04 version
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pxe boot is working, but I need etherboot
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I get a bunch of dots.....done and after that nothing happens
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someone suggested to install mknbi on the server and tsp-update-kernels, but no luck yet
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any ideas?
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<Guest10205>
anyone?
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<Guest10205>
anyone here with etherboot experience?
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<muppis>
Guest10205, I think most of those still sleeps. :/
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<Guest10205>
ooh, at least someone
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just installed this new version ltsp and can not boot my client
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<muppis>
Yep, but I don't have any experience from etherboot. :(
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<Guest10205>
understand
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<muppis>
I've been lucky getting everything working with PXE.
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<Guest10205>
that works here too, but I need etherboot as well
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<Guest10205>
do you know what is the difference between ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels ?
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<muppis>
Guest10205, if I remember correctly, -image rebuilds only imagefile from chroot. -kernels updates files under /var/lib/tftboot/ltsp/
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<sweetpi>
-image recreates the nbd image, -kernels updates your tftp environment
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<Guest10205>
oh, thx
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<sweetpi>
^ what he said
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<Guest10205>
i need to wait then until someone here can help with booting via etherboot
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<sweetpi>
you just need to set the path to pxelinux, there are examples iirc on the wiki
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<Guest10205>
where is that? please?
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btw, pxe boot is fine, but I need etherboot
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<sweetpi>
what dhcp server?
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<Guest10205>
i am on ubuntu 10.04
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<sweetpi>
actually, what problems are you having? I dont remember any special setup except where your fetching gpxe and then trying to boot normally
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<Guest10205>
problem is: boot starts and after a bunch of ......done nothing happens
02:27
normal mainboard-based pxe is booting fine
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but for some machines I need etherboot
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<sweetpi>
there shouldnt be any special setup iirc, check logs. however, etherboot will use REAL pxe, so if you have a dhcp server that supports it, make sure its also configured or the boot will fail
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<sweetpi>
dnsmasq usually causes that problem when its only setup to send a boot filename
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/487826
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<Guest10205>
ooh gusy this is above my level, I neew some kind of step-by-step to fix this
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<muppis>
Puuh. NAT causing a headache for me.
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<Guest10205>
etherboot anyone else?
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<Appiah>
what dns server are you using?
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when you use etherboot(same as gpxe right) you can debug and see what options your client is reciving
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maybe need to add an option
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<Guest10205>
appiah: can you give me more detail?
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i am using this method: http://etherboot.anadex.de/
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the image is booted from a hdd
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<Appiah>
no I never used etherboot
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<Guest10205>
all if fine under ubuntu 8.04 ltsp
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oh, ok, I guess then I am stuck
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<Appiah>
yupp
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start debugging
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that looks really old
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http://etherboot.org/wiki/start thats more recent?
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2005 was the last update on the link you gave..
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: don't use anadex.de, it's ancient
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Use gpxe instead
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!gpxe
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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<alkisg>
You can put that on a hard disk as well
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<Guest10205>
oh, I see
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just a sec
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the website I mentioned (anadex.de) provided an image that had (eb-net.com) in it that I put on the hard drive to boot
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<alkisg>
You can use the usb image for that
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<Guest10205>
can I just replace the file from rom-o-matic
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<alkisg>
There are also other possibilities, e.g. if your client hard disk has ubuntu installed, you can install "grub-gpxe" which will add "boot from network" to grub,
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<Guest10205>
no, I just need something I can replace the older anadex's .com file
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<alkisg>
if they have windows, you can install ltsp-loader.exe, etc etc
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If they don't have any os, use the usb image for gpxe
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From rom-o-matic, and dd that to the disk
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<Guest10205>
it has an old dos/win 95 boot menu
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and users can choose to load either an old dos porgram or to boot ltsp
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this was done via anadex's method
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so I am asking what do I need to replace that .com file with?
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<alkisg>
Nothing
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If you don't want to change the clients, you can change the server
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I think the version of etherboot that anadex uses is recent enough to support pxelinux.0
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So
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sudo gedit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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And remove that "if" that sends "nbi.img" to your clients
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This way they'll always get pxelinux.0 and boot with no problems (afaik)
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<muppis>
alkisg, I wonder why that if -statement has put there in first place?
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<alkisg>
muppis: for older etherboot clients, in a ROM
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Some thin clients have ancient etherboot versions in their firmware
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<muppis>
alkisg, ah.
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<Guest10205>
I would like to keep the old menu and the old dos program on the hdd so users can choose
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: ok, so edit /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf like I wrote above. You don't need to change your clients then.
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I don't remember what menu anadex uses for windows 9x
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But there are better/more recent alternatives. Well anyway you don't have to change anything in your clients.
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Just change dhcpd.conf in your server.
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<Guest10205>
one more: if I remove the if would pxe based machines also work still?
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<alkisg>
Yes
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<Guest10205>
btw, anadex only provided an image on a .com format, then I edited my autoexec.bat to boot it
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<alkisg>
No they also had an "install to hard disk" method on their boot disk
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But that's ancient and unsupported, so for new installations it's better to use more recent tools
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gpxe-based
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<Guest10205>
I undesrtand this, and sorry for my lack of undesrtanding...
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<Guest10205>
I undesratnd I ndeed to use gpxe now, just one thing I am missing is that how can I boot to it from hdd?
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and to keep my old dos program too
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<Appiah>
follow the instructions on the website
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<Guest10205>
or if I remove nbi.img from dhcp than I can keep my old anadex version to boot? I am puzzled
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<Appiah>
why dont you just start by reading the first steps?
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and kind of , start over
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get to know how it works
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!gpxe
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<ltspbot>
Appiah: "gpxe" :: the successor to etherboot (http://etherboot.org). To download bootable floppy, cd, usb, kernel etc images, visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
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<Appiah>
http://etherboot.org/wiki/howtos
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and try #etherboot for all etherboot questions
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<Guest10205>
thanks
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: *all* you need to do is change 1 line in dhcpd.conf
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<Guest10205>
like this? option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
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# if substring( option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9 ) = "PXEClient" {
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# filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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# } else {
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# filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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# }
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}
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<alkisg>
No
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<Guest10205>
commented out the lines
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<alkisg>
No it doesn't send any filename at all
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You need this uncommented: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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Also you forgot to comment the last }
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<Guest10205>
let me try ,
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do I have to restart the service?
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<alkisg>
Ye
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s
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sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
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<Guest10205>
alkisg, it is now not booting the normal pxe mode since i removed that line
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so I understand what you are trying
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but the old anadex thing isn't booting either
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what I need to figure out is how to put that gpxe on the hdd
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<Appiah>
did you read the page I linked you?
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<Guest10205>
etherboot.org?
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: can you paste your dhcpd.conf?
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Maybe you still have that syntax error with the }
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!pastebin
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" :: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<Guest10205>
ok
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http://ltsp.pastebin.com/xsQqWuSk
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<alkisg>
Guest10205: yeah, it's completely wrong
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Let me paste you a correct one
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<Guest10205>
ok
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<alkisg>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/im9U745v
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<Guest10205>
alkisg: so you only wan to boot the pxe
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<alkisg>
Not exactly. All will boot with pxelinux.0
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Including your etherboot clients
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Don't forget to restart dhcp3-server
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<Guest10205>
ok, I go and try it :)
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<alkisg>
Yup, it's about time. :)
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<Guest10205>
well, it loads the dots again, and now I get 2 more lines after ....done
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pxe linux ... peter anvin and then stops
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<alkisg>
Hmmm maybe you don't have the latest anadex version? maybe your etherboot it's too old...
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<Guest10205>
but remeber I still have the old etherboot thing
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<Guest10205>
mine is 5.4.0 I think it is the latest
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but ok, I am willing to replace anadex's version to gpxe if possible
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just not sure if I can
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<alkisg>
To load linux from win98, you have some options:
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1) install grub (or grub4dos)
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2) use loadin
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3) use a .com file. I don't think gpxe offers one
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So currently you're in (3) and you want to go to (1) or (2)
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(The last etherboot is 5.4.4 afaik)
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<Guest10205>
alkisg: you are right, and many thanks for hleping
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can you please paste this entire converation to pastebin for later use?
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<alkisg>
See the topic for the irc logs url
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<Guest10205>
oh, right,
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alkisg: once I have either grub4dos or loadlin, what would be the concept? what do I have to achieve?
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<alkisg>
To load gpxe.lkrn
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That's gpxe in a linux kernel format, so that grub or loadlin can load it
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You can get that from rom-o-matic
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E.g. for grub2:
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menuentry "Network boot (gpxe)" {
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linux16 /boot/gpxe.lkrn
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}
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<Guest10205>
aha, that is a lot of help
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i think it will be ok: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
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<alkisg>
Yup I wrote that a couple of years ago before switching to native packages
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But for windows 98 it's still the best option
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<Appiah>
win98 and best in the same sentence ^^
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<Guest10205>
hehe
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i will try it to install it to my hdd and somehow keep my other dos program intact
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in fact I am providing in my autoexec.bat a menu
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<alkisg>
loadlin might suit you better than grub/bootlace
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<Guest10205>
it is like :program1 ....... :eb.net.com
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<alkisg>
This way you get to keep your existing menus & structure
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So instead you'd do: program1 .... loadlin gpxe.lkrn
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<Guest10205>
and the 2md loads etherboot
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<alkisg>
http://youpibouh.thefreecat.org/loadlin/loadlin-1.6e.exe
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<Guest10205>
etherboot wich is now gpxe :)
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oh, I see what you mean
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I do not have to use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/grubgpxe
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<Guest10205>
instead use loadlin to load gpxe
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<Barcelo>
good morning
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<mgariepy>
morning every one
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<ddunn>
hello mr powers
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<ddunn>
i've developed a recent issue with printing on the t. client ubuntu 9.10 cups 1.4.6
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they worked for months
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one update too many
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networked printers work fine but the locals just say -connnecting
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<ddunn>
except for one thin client for some reason this one still works
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<robehend1>
anyone had luck with firefox as a localapp on 256 megs of ram?
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<muppis>
robehend1, I think I have.
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<robehend1>
hmm, cool. I just had someone email out of the blue about using some old pent ds with 256 megs of ram as thin clients, and while I was 99% sure it'd run decently, figued i'd check
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also, i love Craigslist. a gentleman just sold me 4 Dell Precision 390 workstations, core 2 quad, 8 gig of ram, for 100 bucks each :D
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<muppis>
I check with my vm-client
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<robehend1>
ooo good idea. i never thought of that
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<csaba>
hello all
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<robehend1>
hey there
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<csaba>
can someone give me a hint?
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<robehend1>
we can sure try!
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<csaba>
I am trying to boot ltsp via
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using loadlin
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and an image from rom o matic
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<csaba>
it loads until tp=192.168.0.23 ........
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sorry IP=192.168.0.23.....
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any ideas why it would hang there?
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i am loading this from a hdd
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<Barcelo>
sorry friends!.
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I have one last question.
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Others who work in the pc clients, are created on the server system.
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# adduser user
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or created in the root of the client system.
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# chroot / opt/ltsp/i386
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# # adduser user
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<csaba>
any suggestions?
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<m4xx>
robehend1, mind if i pm you?
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<ddunn>
Barcelo users are added to the server not the chroot
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<robehend1>
m4xx: go for it
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<robehend1>
if i'm running fat clients, the server technically doesnt have to have the ram to support all the clients, correct?
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i.e. boot fat clients off a machine with 512 megs of ram, since the clients use their own ram/cpu
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<muppis>
alkisg, I noticed when using dhcp-mac in dnsmasq then name is not provided for that client. This can be a bug in dd-wrt, haven't test that yet.
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<xavierb>
I'm testing kde4 with ltsp, looking for the best style and window decoration (to decrease network traffic)
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I've currently selected Phase style and Plastik window decoration
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Anyone has idea about better styles to test ?
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I'm looking also for desktop theme
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Users are womens, so I need something beautiful but not too shiny :)
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<muppis>
HMm.. You're asking quite difficult things. ;)
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<xavierb>
because of kde4 or because of womens?
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<muppis>
Women.
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<ddunn>
ha
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<xavierb>
my wife is oming, I must left for a moment :-/
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<Barcelo>
I will use Tcos....
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<robehend1>
so, fat clients are my new fave thing
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was able to setup 40 fat clients booting off one virtual server with 8 gigs of ram, and the server barely missed a beat
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<Gadi>
robehend1: u could prolly use a lot less ram for that
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:)
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<robehend1>
Gadi: yep, i'm adapting it this weekend, down to 2, and then pumping up the other servers on the box with more
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<Gadi>
this is why LTSP is so rich! So many choices...
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:)
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<robehend1>
mhmm
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I now have my entire 1-4th on LTSp
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kids love it
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teachers love it
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<Gadi>
how many machines in total?
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<robehend1>
in the elementary? 74
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highschool is running 48 at least count, but number is constantly increasing
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<Gadi>
very nice
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you giving them MS apps?
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<robehend1>
nope
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well, in one lab. our business lab still is on xp, so that they can teach MS office.
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<Gadi>
yeah, I find the MS interfacing to be the biggest struggle
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<robehend1>
i hate that ribbon with a passion
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<Gadi>
are you doing any clustering or just one VM with LTSP for all?
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<robehend1>
one vm. I'm been meaning to try clustering, and now that I just had a nice gentleman agree to sell me a decently powerful workstation, i'm going to try to cluster this weekend
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virtual machine clusters, but enough to get my feet wet
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<Gadi>
a much better approach
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I mean stepping it
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clustering can introduce more problems than solutions
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<robehend1>
haven't come across any IO issues yet, but that could be because they are using samba shares to store the majority of their files, and we're running mostly fat-clients. biggest bottleneck was the network, but an upgrade to it and the ldm_directx = true cleared that right up
13:02* Gadi has been finding that out the hard way
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<robehend1>
ewww said
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i think i may have overprovisioned my highschool server as well. its dual quad core xeons and 32 gigs of ram.
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<robehend1>
alkisg: say, dgroos provided me with a link to your sch-scripts. I take it has to run on the server to be fully effective?
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<alkisg>
robehend1: as opposed to where? on ltsp, everything runs on the server...
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<robehend1>
alkisg: well, my workstation is a fat client, was wondering if I could run it there, and have it affect the other clients. Namely, the screen broadcasting and such
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<alkisg>
Ah. If you can make the daemon run only on your workstation, and the sch-client to run in the other clients, and have an entry in /etc/hosts of other clients with the name "server" pointing to that workstation, sure, you could do that
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<robehend1>
that makes sense
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<alkisg>
But wouldn't it be simpler to let the daemon run on the server and just run the gui part?
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<robehend1>
now that you mention it, yes ;)
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<alkisg>
(from the workstation)
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<robehend1>
alkisg: i did try running it through ssh x forwarding, and while lockdown and such worked, I wasn't able to view a students screen or display mine on theirs.
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(from a standalone 10.04 laptop, not a fat-client)
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<alkisg>
Makes sense, with `ssh -X server` and "broadcast screen" you'd be displaying your server screen, not the standalone ws screen...
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<robehend1>
ah, ok. thats what i figured. otherwise, fantastic program
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if i can help with translating or anything, let me know
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not that i'd be any good, since I cant read greek...but the willingness must count!
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<m4xx>
i've added alt2 to my chroot's /etc/initramfs-tools/modules, will ltsp-update-kernel rebuild the initramfs or do i need to do this manually?
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<alkisg>
robehend1: For Ubuntu 12.04 we'll try to have an i18n version and later on we'll try to push it to debian
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<robehend1>
i18n? not familiar
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<alkisg>
"internationalization"
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<robehend1>
ah
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<alkisg>
i -18 letters- n
13:21
<robehend1>
makes sense for me
13:21
<alkisg>
Silly abbreviation, but that's what they use :D
13:21
m4xx: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
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<robehend1>
hey, it makes sense at least
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<muppis>
Sounds like my kids has falled asleep, so it might be time to beat the bit a bit.
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<robehend1>
i'm hoping that that is a naughty metaphore, but i cant wrap my head around it
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<m4xx>
alkisg: awesome thanks!
13:28
i'm getting "No interfaces found! Aborting..." with my eeepc netbook
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any ideas?
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<robehend1>
at boot?
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<m4xx>
i get splash
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i hit escape, and i see that
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<alkisg>
Sounds like there's still a missing module
13:31
Try the steps of that wiki page from the beginning, lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 Ethernet etc....
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<muppis>
robehend1, depends what's your metaphore... I still got XP to install..
13:40
And getting odd problem. Having two different nfs export from server, but client mounts always same no matter which one I try.
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<m4xx>
It has the atheros chipset when thought i enabled by adding alt2 to the modules file.
13:43
<robehend1>
muppis: could be worse, could be ME
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<muppis>
robehend1, sorry, can't help. ;)
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<robehend1>
muppis: no no, Windows ME.
13:45
and now, by saying its name, I feel dirty
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<m4xx>
microssoft sam?
13:45
anyone?
13:45
;x
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<robehend1>
I still have a disc of MS Bob around
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<m4xx>
that's it
13:45
bob
13:45
not sam
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lol
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everything on google says i should only need to add alt2
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<muppis>
robehend1, *grin*
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<m4xx>
w00t
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needed alt1c
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<robehend1>
sneaky
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those atheros chipsets can be fun it seems
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<m4xx>
where in the chroot does it define what port to use in the inetd.conf ?
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<robehend1>
m4xx: its in pxelinux.cfg/default
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<m4xx>
yes
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but when i rebuild image
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it goes back to the wrong port
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i had made a backup of my chroot
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then made a new image
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<muppis>
m4xx, build it with -i, so it doesn't 'fix' your pxe.
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<m4xx>
now when i update-image it set's it to 2001 instead of 2000
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<rjune>
ogra, you about?
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<mgariepy>
m4xx: try /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf
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to change the port of you chroot
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<m4xx>
mgariepy: no such file
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<mgariepy>
would be in /opt/ltsp/i386/..
14:51
no ?
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<m4xx>
ah i'm sorry
14:52
thanks!
14:52
<mgariepy>
you are welcome
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