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11:58
<muppis>
Who maintains ltsp-remoteapps and ltsp-localapps scripts? I'd like to talk about those before I make a bug report.
12:01
<alkisg>
muppis: I think the only devs working on ltsp currently are me and vagrantc
12:01
<muppis>
Shame. I wish I had time to help. :(
12:01
<alkisg>
I don't think all the parts of ltsp have a maintainer per se...
12:02
Yup, we don't have much time for ltsp either
12:13
<muppis>
There's something odd in handling desktop files. If I define Mimetypes in dekstop file and put Exec=ltsp-remoteapps xdg-open %U, xdg-open were dropped and only %U is passed to ltsp-remoteapps, which didn't work. Made workaround to ltsp-remoteapps to check is arg passed as command actual user's file and add xdg-open as command.
12:14
<vmlintu>
I wonder what is the most used usecase for ltsp these days. Is it beefy fatclients or something like rasppi..
12:19
<alkisg>
muppis, it doesn't sound good to include xdg-open in the command line
12:19
It should be integrated to ltsp-remoteappsd, but not in the desktop file
12:20alkisg is now known as work_alkisg
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12:54
<muppis>
work_alkisg, I know. That's why I called it a workaround.
12:54
<work_alkisg>
muppis: what I'm saying is that it's easier to accept proper fixes upstream, than workarounds
12:54
<muppis>
I know that too. :D
12:55
<work_alkisg>
So I just hinted that you direct your effords that way...
12:55
*efforts
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15:01
<gvy>
http://lists.mindrot.org/pipermail/openssh-unix-dev/2016-January/034680.html
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16:06
<donjon>
when does vagrant usually show up?
16:09
<elias_a>
During his daytime. :P
16:09
<donjon>
which may be???
16:10
<maldridge>
soon ish. iirc he's somewhere near UTC -6
16:11
<donjon>
cool... thanks
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17:49
<donjon>
hey vagrant :)
17:50* vagrantc waves
17:51
<donjon>
the install was with edubuntu but i needed to muck with it since i was using a raid and multiple nics...
17:51
files: http://students.shc.edu.bz/les/getFiles/
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18:09
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: thanks for your comments regarding the networkmanager interface thing...
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18:20
<donjon>
:)
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18:21
<vagrantc>
donjon: that url you gave just shows me an empty page
18:33
<donjon>
really?
18:34
it should give you a dropdown box and select button
18:35
<vagrantc>
it is a bit cumbersome to have to select something from a drop-down
18:35work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
18:36
<alkisg>
vagrantc: you're welcome :) It's basically a follow-up from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/1492546, problems with ltsp + systemd (solved)
18:36
<donjon>
i set it up that way in case you need different files
18:36
<vagrantc>
donjon: please just use a regular pastebin
18:36
!pastebin | echo donjon
18:36
<ltsp`>
donjon pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
18:37
<vagrantc>
or if you prefer, paste.debian.net
18:37
<donjon>
ok... i'll do that sorry
18:37
<alkisg>
Or apache autoindex, e.g. http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/ltsp/
18:37
Plain file listing...
18:37
<vagrantc>
donjon: i selected lts.conf from the drop-down, hit submit, and it gives me gibberish html
18:37
yeah, that's nice too
18:39
<donjon>
http://pastebin.com/17RtiJTs
18:39
thats ltsp-info?
18:40
ok?
18:40
<alkisg>
It looks like you have the greek schools ppa in the server but not in the chroot, you should put it in the chroot as well...
18:40
<donjon>
hmmm
18:41* vagrantc forgets what the issue even was :)
18:41
<donjon>
yeah i guess i haven't updated the sources in side for a while
18:41
problems were some apps were seeing network printers while others weren't
18:42
also some apps were seeing usb drives and some weren't
18:43
<vagrantc>
oh yeah, probably some combination of fat clients with remoteapps or thin clients with localapps ...
18:44
depending on what you have installed in the chroot and how much ram your clients have, they may be defaulting to fat clients
18:44
even if not specifically configured as such
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18:44
<vagrantc>
donjon: what are the rough specs of our clients?
18:45
<donjon>
the mem on the thin clients is 2G
18:45
<vagrantc>
those should make decent fat clients
18:45
<donjon>
dual core cpu
18:46
<vagrantc>
but, like alkisg said, get your LTSP updated
18:46
<donjon>
doing that right now :)
18:46
<alkisg>
donjon: updating the sources is a completely different things from updating the packages
18:46
<vagrantc>
lots of bugfixes since the versions you're running
18:46
<donjon>
i understand that
18:46
<alkisg>
You need to run `add-apt-repository ppa:ts.sch.gr` inside the chroot, and *then* run apt-get update etc
18:46
So that you get LTSP 5.5.5 in the chroot, you now have 5.5.1
18:47
<donjon>
should that be done outside as well?
18:47
<alkisg>
I think you already have done that outside the chroot
18:47
<donjon>
ah ok
18:47
<alkisg>
You can check by running `apt-cache policy ltsp-server`
18:47
LTSP 5.5.5 fixes a lot of printing problems over 5.5.1, so it might fix your issues
18:48
<donjon>
ah ok
18:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: when I reply to a debian bug report, do I get automatically subscribed to it?
18:49
<vagrantc>
alkisg: no
18:49
<alkisg>
Meh
18:49* vagrantc nods
18:49
<alkisg>
vagrantc: can you help me subscribe to all ltsp bugs in debian? :)
18:49
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yes! :)
18:53
alkisg: if i recall correctly.... email pts@qa.debian.org with "subscribe SOURCEPACKAGE EMAIL" for each of ltsp, ldm and ltspfs
18:54
alkisg: you can also get a web interface https://packages.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/pts.cgi
18:55
alkisg: you could also possibly subscribe via tracker.debian.org/SOURCEPACKAGE ... but that interface is relatively new and i haven't used it much
18:55
<alkisg>
https://packages.qa.debian.org/cgi-bin/pts.cgi probably needs some email=parameter, it doesn't work for me
18:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: with email, i think you can do all three in one email
18:56
ah, hrm.
18:56
<alkisg>
Or maybe I need to login to qa first... let me check
18:57
<vagrantc>
alkisg: packages.qa.debian.org/ltsp
18:57
alkisg: should be a subscription drop-down in the lower-left
18:57
<alkisg>
vagrantc: is that only for source changes (uploads etc), or bug reports too?
18:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: if you select "opts" from the drop-down, it should give you checkboxes to pick
18:59
<alkisg>
Cool, thanks, subscribing to everything there...
19:00
<vagrantc>
it'll send you a confirmation email that you should just need to reply to
19:02
<alkisg>
All done :)
19:03
<vagrantc>
alright, i really need to sit down and do some LTSP testing on Debian!
19:03
<alkisg>
Did you have any time to work on the new releases?
19:03
I have an ldm patch pending, about the multi-monitor setup...
19:04
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/693151
19:05
Now that debian defaults to nbd, I think we can have a common wiki (at ltsp.org), and only note the differences between debian/ubuntu whenever those apply
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19:14
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i can spend some time this week and the coming week updating LTSP in Debian
19:14
i don't know that i have any multi-monitor clients to test with, though
19:18
<alkisg>
I can probably do some testing myself as well
19:18
I do have a stretch vm, I'll debuild or I can add some repository of yours if you have one
19:18* vagrantc got derailed on other projects recently
19:19
<alkisg>
I think 16.04 feature freeze is in feb 18, we have enough time for it to be migrated there...
19:19
<vagrantc>
i ususally just use debian.org :)
19:19
ah, good.
19:20
this will be the first release where ubuntu just pulls from debian? :)
19:20
<alkisg>
I mean, before you upload to unstable... maybe to experimental?
19:20
Yup! Finally!
19:20
<vagrantc>
unstable should be fine for LTSP ... if there really are problems, i'll block it from hitting testing
19:21
from the sounds of it, there may be significant bugs at the moment anyways
19:21
i guess it's not true, i usually have a local repository for packages :)
19:21
i can push them somewhere instead of just locally
19:34
<donjon>
vagrant: I did the updates and ltsp-update-kernel and ltsp-update-image... new paste: http://pastebin.com/mynWrz1N
19:34
still no difference on client
19:38
lts.conf: http://pastebin.com/4hDr3BgM
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21:02
<Maijin>
What's the best way to get rid off the "this kernel requires the following features not present on the cpu pae"
21:02
Hello by the way o/
21:03
<||cw>
Maijin: use a kernel that doesn't require pae
21:04
most distros have one
21:04
<Maijin>
Yep, but what preference and stuff should I change in the config ?
21:04
I'm using edubuntu btw
21:05
I've seen
21:05
"change this file: ‘/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/020-kernel-selection’. I removed 2 times ‘-pae’ in the kernel selection. Seems to install by default the pae kernel. Removing this ended with an install of non-pae kernel for the thin clients."
21:05
on https://projectzme.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/setting-up-an-ubuntu-thin-client-server/
21:06
but maybe I have to do something after that?
21:06
cause it doesn't work :(
21:10
||cw: oh I see that you need to use same arch as your client
21:10
is that correct?
21:11
<||cw>
not sure, that guide is really old though
21:16
I can tell you though, clients that did not have CPU pae support did not perform well for me. I did get one to work once, but it was unacceptable
21:17
<Maijin>
||cw: héhé, is refurbish clients for association
21:17
we are creating a small edubuntu stuff for school in the Philippines
21:17
that's all we got yet
21:18
<||cw>
there was one I even had to compile my own kernel for, ubuntu has made some really questionable cpu support choices
21:19
<Maijin>
But if it's the problem with the server
21:19
then I'll need to reinstall it with forcepae
21:19
and it should then work
21:19
right now is x64
21:19
<||cw>
one SoC in fact they finally included the LAN driver for (the support ticket to add it mentioned this SoC) and in the same built they also started requiring a CPU feature the SoC didn't have.
21:21
I've done x64 server, it works, you just have to make sure you set arch right all the time, and of course any custom compiles for the client image becomes a pain
21:21
<Maijin>
If it's confirm that I can use a x64 server and a non pae client
21:21
I'll need then to know what to do
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21:23
<||cw>
does this apply?
21:23
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
21:23
you might be able to just change up the pxe config to add the flag
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