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Channel log from 28 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<vlt>
Hello. I need some help with inetd and tftp. I have installed inetd, /etc/inetd.conf has a line "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot/" and it's listening to "udp6 :::69" (says netstat). A client requests for pxelinux.0 (says tcpdump) but the server doesn't answer. Any idea?
03:41
How can I change udp6 to udp?
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<vlt>
Solved: I installed an alternate inetd.
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<vagrantc>
not really much in the way of patches on this train trip ...
04:32
i did some thinkin on the ltspfsd/cdpinger from udev stuff ...
04:33
where the binaries go is currently seemingly arbitrary ... some in /usr/bin, some in /usr/sbin ... i want to break everything.
04:42
<ogra>
doit
04:42
scott was never sure where he wanted what :)
04:43
i was proposing averything in /usr/bin and somehow out of old habit he always installed new binaries to /usr/sbin
04:43
<vagrantc>
since we want to start stuff from udev, some things maybe actually belong in /sbin or /lib/udev ...
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<vagrantc>
in fact, /usr/share/ltsp/*functions also ... technically probably belongs outside of /usr
04:44
since /usr isn't necessarily available immediately ... but i'm willing to look the other way on that one.
04:45
ogra: i'm almost wondering if we shouldn't make an ltsp-common package ... that ldm, ltspfs and ltsp-* depend on ...
04:46
ogra: but you'll probably just say "just depend on ltsp-client" or something
04:47
<ogra>
nah, change as necessary
04:47
i'm open for everything ... new release cycle ahed ;)
04:47
*ahead
04:51
<Nubae>
damn ldap, uses all my cpu time on hardy
05:02
<Pascal_1>
hello
05:03
vagrantc, i'm sorry but i didint understand the meaning of your mail. what mean "i'm tagging it help."
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<Pascal_1>
hmmm
05:05
<ogra>
that means he drops the bug into a bigger pool of helpers by setting that tag
05:06
i'm pretty sure its caused by the session not properly returning
05:06
<Pascal_1>
i think this also
05:07
but i dont know how to solve
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<Nubae>
damn printing from firefox still doesn't work?
05:41
why is upgrading always such a headache :-/ ?
05:42
<laga>
because you ignored one of the basic principles of computation
05:42
"never touch a running system" ;)
05:43
<Nubae>
i've been testing hardy for months though
05:43
and on production day, of course all the problems surface
05:44
but you're right :-) still wasn't a totally running system, it had enough problems to warrant the upgrade
05:46
so the firefox doesn't print bug is not fixed yet In suppose?
05:52
<laga>
no clue about that
05:53
<Nubae>
gosh darnit... I have tons of problems all centered around firefox...
05:54
<laga>
try konqueror? opera? something else?
05:55
<Nubae>
well, thinking about going back to firefox 2, but need to make sure its really this
05:55
and not squid or dansguardian
05:58
maybe installing opera will give me some idea of what's happening though
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<xachen>
opera... *gag*
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<Solv>
is there a good chance of screwing up ltsp if I upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 using the update-manager? it;s on a remote system, so if it works it would be great...but if not, then it could be a bit of a nightmare getting it going again
06:44
<ogra>
Solv, as usually you should rebuild your client enviromnment after upgrading
06:45
beyond that it should just work
06:45
<Nubae>
firefox 3 has problems though
06:45
<ogra>
Nubae, apparently only for you
06:45
<Nubae>
you will not be able to print directly from the web
06:45
<ogra>
i have no probs here
06:45
<Solv>
yeah i've seen a few reports of people saying everything went very smoothly doing their upgrade...but no ltsp experiences
06:45
<Nubae>
I'm pretty sure teh print problem is a known issue, not just mine
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<ogra>
Solv, sudo mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /opt/ltsp/i386.gutsy && sudo ltsp-build-client
06:46
that will get you going
06:46
<Nubae>
rebuilding my squid fixed the firefox timeout issues, for now
06:46
<Solv>
ah...i see...yeah cool
06:46
<Nubae>
squid cache
06:47
<Solv>
ogra, besides the long term support do you think there is much point?
06:47
<ogra>
Solv, hardy has actually not many new features on the ltsp side, but a huge load of bugfixes
06:48
<Solv>
i mean if i keep 7.10 fully updated it should be the same thing essentially on the ubuntu side of things
06:48
<ogra>
not really
06:48
<Nubae>
if it works, don't fix it
06:48
<loather>
for a second i read that as, "a huge load of hippies"
06:48* Nubae should listen to his own advice :-)
06:48
<Solv>
but if the bugs are within seperate packages, and they are up to date...
06:48
<loather>
and i was thinking to myself, "one or two hippies i can tolerate, but any more than that becomes an infestation"
06:48
<Solv>
lol
06:48
<loather>
and then i realized it said bugfixes
06:48
i have no idea where i got hippies from.
06:49
<ogra>
woodstock
06:49
<Solv>
Nubae, i try to give myself that advice...but i'm always itching to have the latest versions!!
06:49
<loather>
did you go?
06:50
<ogra>
loather, predates my procreation :)
06:50
iÄm an old fart, but not that old yet
06:50
<loather>
they had one in 95, too. nothing like the original from what i'm told.
06:52
<ogra>
heh
06:56
<Nubae>
oh what a nightmare, am I the only one with firefox issues?
06:56
<Solv>
yes
06:56
=)
06:57
i've never had firefox crash...not once....
06:57
<ogra>
i saw some people on he ubuntu-users ML with extension probs
06:57* Solv lies through his teeth
06:57
<ogra>
but thats about it
06:57
<Solv>
i use opera when i can
06:57
<Nubae>
damn, its not firefox only, opera seems to be freezing too
06:57
<ogra>
sounds rather like a cups issue then
06:58
<Nubae>
why would it be cups?
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<ogra>
you said it freezes if you print
07:03
<Nubae>
no it freezes every 3-4 minutes
07:04
thought it was squid or dansguardian at first, but I've eliminated that possibility
07:04
cups was taking up a lot of cpu time so restarted that, and seems to have caused a bit more stability, but its random things that seem to be triggering the freezes, always with firefox though
07:04
or opera
07:06
<ogra>
sounds totally not browser related
07:06
<Nubae>
maybe it is cups... who knows... or just regular upgrade gremlins
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<Nubae>
oh man, I can't figure this out... my cpu usage is going through the roof, and everything is freezing up
08:43
there seems to be a lot of issues on the web concerning firefox 3, and most people seem to be suggesting the best move is to uninstall it and go back to firefox2
08:44
<ogra>
well, ff2 is only an apt-get away
08:44
try it
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<ogra>
they use different profiles anyway so you can just install both packages alongside
08:45
<kikin>
hola
08:45
hi
08:45
speak Spanish
08:45
<Nubae>
really, ok, I'll try that
08:45
<kikin>
I need help
08:45
<ogra>
the package you want is firefox-2
08:45
<Nubae>
problem is the icon on top is linked to ff3 and most people will use that
08:46
<ogra>
sdo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser ?
08:46
*sudo even
08:46
<Nubae>
kikin, yo hablo español y puedo intentar ayudar te
08:46
<kikin>
i want install une Server TErminal
08:46
<ogra>
kikin, just ask your question if people know the answer they will tell
08:46
<kikin>
Nubae
08:47
Quiero Instalar un servidor de Terminales
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<Nubae>
quieres instalar LTSP o servidor de terminales para windows?
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08:47
<kikin>
Si
08:47
bueno para Windows para hacer 1 prueba
08:48
pero ensi
08:48
es para un servidor SUN
08:48
<Nubae>
thanks for that ogra, didn't know it was that easy to change the icon link
08:48
<kikin>
no se si sean los mismos pasos
08:48
<ogra>
Nubae, not sure that helps
08:48
<maticue>
Buenas kikin
08:48
<ogra>
it will at least set the system default to ff2
08:48
<Nubae>
yeah
08:48
<kikin>
Pero en este momento lo quiero instalar en UBUNTU
08:49
<Nubae>
bueno, es que son 2 cosas bastante distintas
08:49
un servidor ltsp de dejara conectar con terminales a tu servidor ubuntu
08:49
<kikin>
Nubae: puedo Terner como servidor LSTP A Ubuntu y conectar Cual quier Maquina?
08:49
ok
08:50
<ogra>
for the launcher edit /usr/share/gconf/defaults/05_panel-default-setup.entries and run update-gconf-defaults
08:50
<kikin>
eso es lo que realmente Requiero
08:50
primero dime si puedo hacer eso
08:51
<Nubae>
si, ltsp esta pensado en hacer eso, cualquier terminal cogera una imagen atravez de PXE o etherboot
08:51
deberia funcionar directamente, installa el ubuntu hoardy desde el disco alternative
08:52
y seleciona LTSP server
08:52
<kikin>
intente bajar esa version
08:52
pero no me da la opcion de arranque con F$
08:52
f4
08:52
para instalarlo
08:52
al no ser que me haya equivocado
08:54
tengo la nueva version de ubuntu la 8.0.4
08:54
<Nubae>
si deberia dar te esa opcion
08:54
<kikin>
pero no la server
08:54
<maticue>
kikin, te hago una consulta... vos sabes si rom-o-matic sirve tambien para ltsp 5?
08:54
<Nubae>
ogra, alternative is just F4 and choose LTSP server right?
08:54
<ogra>
!ubuntu
08:54
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:54
<ogra>
the latter link has screenshots
08:55
<kikin>
maticue: no sabria decirte
08:55
<ogra>
but yes, only f4 at the alternate CD screen and preferably you should have two NICs
08:55
<maticue>
gracias de todas maneras kikin
08:55
<kikin>
de nada BRother
08:55
<Nubae>
maticue si sirve
08:56
esta pensado para ltsp 5
08:56
<kikin>
Nubae:
08:56
<maticue>
Nubae, ahh, perfecto, por que yo lo estoy leyendo desde la documentacion de ltsp 4
08:56
Nubae, o sea que dejando las opciones por defecto deberia de andar no?
08:56
<Nubae>
mejor lee la documentacion de ltsp 5
08:56
si
08:56
que distribucion maticue?
08:57
<maticue>
Nubae, pero no no encontre doc. para hacer la ROM en ltsp 5
08:57
<kikin>
esa el la unica opcion tengo que encontrar el ubuntu + ltsp
08:57
<maticue>
Debian
08:57
<kikin>
o puedo hacerlo desde esta version que tengo
08:57
?
08:57
<ogra>
Nubae, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/server.html is the best ltsp5 documentation we currently have
08:57
<maticue>
Nubae, ya tengo andando el servidor y las terminales desde diskette, pero quiero hacer que las terminales arranquen desde la placa de red
08:57
<Nubae>
kikin, mira en el link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
08:58
<maticue>
Nubae, pero lo unico que encontre para el booteo de la ROM es de la documentacion de LTSP 4
08:58
<kikin>
ok Nubae: de ahi baje la version de ubuntu
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<kikin>
Incluse baje la server y la destop
08:59
y ninguna de esas me da la opcion de instalar el LTSP
08:59
<Nubae>
hay documentacion para ltsp 5 tambien, mira el link de arriba que commenta ogra
09:01
no, es lo opcion alternate
09:01
solo esta en ese disco
09:01
<maticue>
Nubae, okas, la voy a ver ahora
09:01
<kikin>
ok entonces me equivocque yop
09:01
lo voy a bajar
09:01
lo instalare
09:01
y te doy lata mas tarde
09:01
si es que se puede
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09:02
<Nubae>
si estoy aqui, intentare ayudarte
09:02
<kikin>
gracias Nubue: eres muy amable
09:02
regreso descargo la version y checo con tigo mas tarde
09:02
Bye!
09:04
<maticue>
Nubae, buenisima la documentacion! no la habia visto!
09:04
<ogra>
:)
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09:06
<kikin>
ok
09:07
<maticue>
Nubae, esta buena la documentacion pero igual no habla mucho de la Bootrom
09:08
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe ??
09:09
<Nubae>
I guess we need Spanish docos
09:09
<ogra>
feel free to translate :)
09:09
we were hoping to get that for the edubuntu handbook
09:09
<Nubae>
hehe, yeah, I will when I'm volunteering for OLPC I will
09:09
<ogra>
but with ltsp moving out of edubuntu and into ubun tats obsolete now
09:10
<Nubae>
edubuntu handbook is obsolete?
09:10
<maticue>
thanks ogra!!!
09:10
<ogra>
Nubae, in that form, yes, it talks about a lot of stuff that belongs to ubuntu now
09:10
maticue, you're welcome :)
09:11
<Nubae>
ok, anyone working on moving it from edubuntu to ubuntu?
09:11
<ogra>
Nubae, and its largely unmantained since mid gutsy already (thats why the pages still say "draft" )
09:13
<Nubae>
firefox stops acting up when less people on line... think it could just be my move from 64 bit
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09:15
<ogra>
how much ram does your server have =
09:15
?
09:16
and is it all used ?
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<maticue>
ogra, do you know what kind of type of file i need for a EPROM programmer?
09:21
elf? zdsk?
09:21
<ogra>
sorry, no, i only worked with floppy and CD yet
09:21
<maticue>
ok! thanks
09:24
<Nubae>
its not the ram, I have 8 gigs, and only 3-5 is ever used
09:25
<ogra>
do you have htop installed ?
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<ogra>
that gives an excellent overview what uses what in your system
09:25
<Nubae>
I've been checking top a while and looking at what's taking up processor time, but its random
09:26
well, I have webmin installed and I look at that for an overview
09:26
people don't like it at ubuntu I know, but it works well for me, always has
09:26
<ogra>
ebox is the new webmin :)
09:27
<Nubae>
I'm a little scared to install that ontop of a ltsp system
09:27
seems like it changes a lot of stuff, more than webmin does
09:27
<ogra>
but you install webmin ?
09:28
<Nubae>
its just a web based interface, without adding any extra modules
09:28
<ogra>
it doesnt change anything, it just guves yu UIs to edit system stuff ... at least the packaged version in the archive
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<Nubae>
well, then maybe I'll take a look and uninstall webmin, I've just always been afraid to do it on a working ltsp system
09:29
<ogra>
our server team is working had on making it the defaul ui for a small business server setup for intrepid
09:29
*hard
09:29
<Nubae>
really, didnt' know that
09:29
<ogra>
since gutsy already
09:29
<Nubae>
I have to learn it anyway for the XS server, since they wanna use it too
09:31
one thing that seems to be a mistake is that when an admin users puts in a usb stick, it shows up on everyone's desktop
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<Nubae>
surely that shouldn't be available to other users
09:33
<ogra>
known bug, being worked on
09:33
will hit hardy-updates soon
09:33
<Nubae>
ok
09:33
cool
09:33
<ogra>
thats fallout of the switch from gnome-vfs to gvfs
09:34
<Nubae>
thought so
09:34
<ogra>
gnome-vfs had a patch that only showed devices to you you actually can access
09:34
gvfs doesnt have that fix yet
09:38
<Nubae>
well, see u tomorrow... I'm off for the day
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<maticue>
a rom of www.Rom-O-Matic.net works for eprom, it isn't?
09:46
<warren>
ogra: that will be a patch against gvfs itself?
09:46
<ogra>
warren, my last patch went upstream to gnome-vfs, i know seb128 or pitti (whoever ports it) will send it upstream again
09:47
(no idea if upstream will accept it though, they will probably point to polkit instead)
09:51
<warren>
does a patch for gvfs already exist?
09:52
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "old gnome-vfs patch" (47 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/517
09:52
<ogra>
seb128 said he would work on it
09:52
no idea how far he got yet
09:53
gvfs really sucks ...
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(it wont in 3 months i guess though)
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<warren>
ogra: I just talked with a few GNOME developers. They think it is reasonable to have gvfs ignore a mount if you have no read access. However they are annoyed that this gnome-vfs patch didn't go upstream.
10:04
<ogra>
warren, it was upstream
10:05
<warren>
eh
10:05
<ogra>
oh
10:05
no, it went to debian
10:05
gnome-vfs2 (1:2.18.1-1) unstable; urgency=low
10:05
[ Josselin Mouette ]
10:05
* 22_ignore_inaccessible_volumes.patch: patch from Ubuntu to ignore
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volumes on which the current user doesn't have permissions.
10:05
Closes: #416692.
10:06
(which i would have expected to forward, gah)
10:06
thats from a year ago
10:06
<warren>
ok, no big deal
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<ogra>
well, i relied on debian forwarding my patches(i do so for other projects as well)
10:07
that teaches me to rather go directly to upstream in the future
10:07
sad thing though
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<ogra>
http://people.debian.org/~hertzog/dpkg-source.html
10:15
package building directly out of a bzr tree, yay
10:16
no more tarballs or source packages .... what a beautiful future :)
10:16
<warren>
other distros can grab the source packages with only bzr?
10:16
<ogra>
right
10:17
the big masterplan in ubuntu is to have all publically available sources mirrored in bzr branches at some point
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<ogra>
and have features to do something like "bzr publish --target=ubuntu --version=1.2.3-0ubuntu1"
10:18
<cliebow>
cool!
10:18
<ogra>
so if you have an upstream project and two intresting additions in other publically available bzr trees you do a merge of the different trees and just publish that
10:19
saves immense amounts of time
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<Blinny>
I've got a client that isn't accepting the changes in lts.conf - what am I missing here?
10:24
I have a [Default] section with X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 then a [00:80:64:5e:3f:8b] section with XSERVER=via -- the client with that MAC keeps building an xorg.conf with Driver=openchrome
10:25
I also get an ldminfod line in the server's syslog showing a connect from the client. -- 1-2 every second and just streaming
10:25
(ltsp5 on hardy)
10:28
lts.conf file is in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
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<Blinny>
maybe should be lowercase 'd' in 'default'?
10:46
<warren>
ogra: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=530379
10:46
ogra: davidz doesn't like access() here and he suggests the mount points should go into $HOME/somewhere instead
10:47
<ogra>
no way
10:47
we use the system default
10:48
oh, and . dirs are an explicitly bad idea
10:48
users use ltsp on terminal sessions etc not only in gnome
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<ogra>
if i cant read access a device, whats the purpose of putting it on my desktop ?
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10:49
<warren>
ogra: 'system default' of what?
10:49
<ogra>
using /media
10:49
<warren>
ogra: he isn't against that, he just doesn't want to use access()
10:50
and he explains why
10:50
<ogra>
which xfce, kde and gnome understand and which offers a general way of accessing your data from commandline as well
10:50
"IMO, it would be better if LTSP just mounted these things in the users home
10:50
directory under e.g. $HOME/.ltsp/usbdisk-sdb2.
10:50
"
10:50
thats nothing you will ever be able to do on a debian system
10:50
<warren>
why?
10:50
<ogra>
or system that follows debian policies
10:51
<warren>
what is the policy?
10:51
<ogra>
you dont mount stuff in users home, you dont create symlinks to system dirs in users homes etc
10:51
home belongs to the user alone
10:52
<warren>
do you have a gnome bugzilla account?
10:53
<ogra>
i think so, from ancient gnome-screensaver/power-manager days i think
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<warren>
ogra: now he's asking how is gvfs working for you then? $HOME/.gvfs
10:53
<ogra>
sadly, yes
10:53
<warren>
.gvfs works by mounting stuff there
10:53
<ogra>
but thats a virtual FS
10:54
<warren>
not anymore
10:54
it is actual mounts
10:54
<ogra>
argh
10:54
<warren>
any non-GNOME app can see mounts
10:54
<ogra>
warren, btw, if you run sudo gdmsetup do you get a gvfs mount for root ?
10:55
<warren>
ogra: there is no gdmsetup here
10:55
the gdm rewrite didn't implement that yet
10:56
<ogra>
ah, well use another admin app that uses the gtk fileselector widget then and run it with sudo
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<ogra>
gvfs is very very far from being ready imho
10:56
<warren>
I need a concrete example
10:56
i'm willing to test it but I wont go hunting
10:57
ogra: davidz is willing to hide inaccessible mountpoints but he needs a better way than access()
10:57
<ogra>
warren, sudo gtk-demo
10:57
double click on "pickers"
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<ogra>
ah, i dont get i anymore i just notice
10:58
<warren>
gvfs-fuse-daemon on /root/.gvfs type fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon (rw,nosuid,nodev)
10:58
that shouldn't appear?
10:59
<davidz> IIRC gnome-vfs did some horrible horrible stuff like forking twice to avoid issues like this
10:59
<davidz> for every stat call
10:59
<davidz> to avoid being hung
10:59
ogra: it isn't exactly simple to change gvfs to use access() because of this
10:59
<ogra>
warren, well i have no clue what a gvfsd running as root can do
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<ogra>
i dont like one runing in the bg all the time, thats for sure :)
11:00
but i set it implies some security issues
11:01
warren, we'll find a fix during the porting, i'm not working on gfvs for ubuntu, i just did the old patch 1.5y ago
11:02
i'll point seb to the gnome bug, but its unlikely that we'll change ltspfs way to work for it
11:02
at least short term
11:02
(i'm pretty sure vagrant will agree on the "OMG dont mount in home"
11:02
)
11:03
warren, there are plenty of bugs with nfs mounted homedirs because of the mounts in .gvfs i heard (didnt test myself but that came up ofetn in support recently) how do they plan to fix that ?
11:04
<warren>
any URL?
11:04
ogra: are your people filing those bugs upstream?
11:04
<ogra>
users in #ubuntu
11:04
<warren>
file it upstream
11:05
<ogra>
no filed bugs, but i sometimes sit there and follow the channel on sunday mornings
11:05
<warren>
or tell them to do so
11:05
<ogra>
lets see if there is a LP bug
11:05
i know johnny had massive probs with sabayon through that
11:05
<warren>
GNOME upstream wont look at LP
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<ogra>
hmm 103 open bugs there
11:08
<warren>
If that's the case then somebody should summarize it and post a single bug in GNOME bugzilla
11:08
<ogra>
warren, in any case johnny has a reproducable example with sabayon ...
11:08
they are not all gvfs ... thats just a search match
11:08
it also covers bugs where ppl abbreviated gnome-fvs to gvfs etc
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<ogra>
warren, i'm pretty sure seb128 does his job well, and forwards where needed
11:10
or rather sets a bugwatch if there are similar upstream bugs (thats what LP is for)
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<warren>
ogra: so he isn't against fixing this, he just wants a way that is safe from the kernel hanging the process
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<ogra>
i pointed seb to the bug
11:19
warren, ah, he already duplicated it
11:19
originally coming from LP
11:19
<likuidkewl>
Anyone have a VT3314 VIA Chipset working in LTSP5 Ubuntu 8.04? We seem to have some issues with a Wyse V50le with this chipset and are wondering if there is a workaround.
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<ogra>
warren, bah http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=352381 so much about ranting at ubuntu for not sending stuff upstream :P
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<ogra>
open since 2006-08-22
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<warren>
ogra: it seems they didn't accept that patch for the same reason: it uses access()
11:29
ogra: but they did fail to comment on it which is their fault
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<ogra>
warren, well, with gnome-vfs it never caused any obvious issues (we have it since edgy (6.10)) without any noticed problems
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<likuidkewl>
VT3314 VIA Chipset works with the vesa driver in the lts.conf but has an awful resolution. Any suggestions?
12:09
<Gadi>
likuidkewl: try: X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
12:10
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: Will try thanks
12:11
<Gadi>
likuidkewl: if that doesnt work, log into the client and check the xorg.log
12:12
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: Have been this chipset is a pain in the rear. The Openchrome display driver crashes X all the time hence the vesa line
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<Gadi>
likuidkewl: what board is it?
12:15
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: Wyse V50le so I have no clue
12:19
<Gadi>
likuidkewl: do you know if it is uinchrome or unichrome pro?
12:21
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: What the original driver was ?
12:22
Gadi: The orig driver auto detected was Unichrome
12:22
<Gadi>
when you do: cat /proc/pci, does it say Unichrome or Unichrome Pro?
12:22
<warren>
ogra: I'm tagging ltsp-trunk soon
12:22* Gadi would stick with the original via drivers rather than openchrome
12:23* Gadi thinks the openchrome don't help for thin client use
12:23
<Gadi>
and are more unstable
12:23
<warren>
openchrome fixed a few bugs for me
12:24
<Gadi>
Unichrome chipsets have a limited set of hardcoded clock frequencies
12:24
in either case
12:24
warren: which bugs?
12:24
<ogra>
warren, feel fre
12:24
<Gadi>
and which chipset?
12:24
<ogra>
e
12:24
<warren>
complete deadlock when somebody runs glxinfo
12:24
or glxgears
12:24
I dunno what chipset
12:24
two of Jim's boxes
12:24
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: No proc/pci still looking
12:24
<Gadi>
what board?
12:25
ah
12:25
<ogra>
warren, e1000 ?
12:25* ogra hasnt seen worse HW in his life than the e1000 yet
12:25
<warren>
ogra: no
12:25
huh?
12:25
e1000 works way better than most other cards
12:26
<ogra>
warren, the ebox 1000 thin client sold by disklessworkstations.com i mean
12:26
<warren>
ebox?
12:26
<ogra>
http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200110.html?id=QiekFPVv
12:27
<warren>
ogra: that has sis video
12:27
<ogra>
originally sold by ebox
12:27
called e1000 by them
12:27
they were at the UDS in seville to promote
12:27
yeah, its a SiS all in one device
12:28
<Gadi>
sis is such crap
12:28
in general
12:28
<ogra>
yeah
12:28
<Gadi>
the fanless intel mini-itx stuff all uses sis
12:28
wouldnt touch it with a ten foot pole
12:28
<ogra>
not the classmate
12:28
<laga>
i wish they'd release some good 3d drivers. or spec.
12:28
<ogra>
i'd so love if they would release the board standaone
12:29
it would make the most awesome thin client
12:29
with compiz and all
12:29
<warren>
what does the classmate use?
12:30
<laga>
yes, everyone needs compiz!
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<ogra>
warren, intel all over apart from the WLAN
12:30
(which you dont need for TCs)
12:31
i915, 256M ram, 900MHz celeron
12:31
<Gadi>
yummy
12:31
<ogra>
sold for ~$200
12:31
<warren>
similar to eeepc
12:31
<ogra>
but only to OEMs and in bigger chunks
12:31
less than eeepc
12:32
<warren>
I mean, same chipset and CPU
12:32
<ogra>
eee has 512M and a 4G SDD
12:32
*SSD
12:32
yeah
12:32
<warren>
video is important
12:32
<ogra>
yeah
12:32
my new lappie has intel only ... no foreign HW in it
12:32
and i'm still in love after 10 days :)
12:33
<warren>
950 or 965?
12:33
<laga>
ogra: what is it?
12:33
<ogra>
touchscreen is something to get used to though
12:33
<laga>
thinkpad x300? ;)
12:33
<ogra>
http://www.notebook-paradies.com/oxid.php/sid/20aabde96f6e962cf427a710a718794e/cl/details/cnid/34d47e3d0619f1822.57725514/anid/34d47e3d4a6795b25.82142690/<b>NEXOC-Osiris-S621---Tablet<_b>/
12:33
warren, classmate or my lappie ?
12:34
<laga>
hm, ja
12:34
ah, i remember
12:34
<ogra>
laptop has: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960
12:34
classmate has something that identifies as 915
12:35
laga, i was hot on the 7200rpm ... X300 doesnt have a HDD option at all
12:35
<warren>
7200rpm is slow! =)
12:35
<ogra>
my lappie is currently faster than my build server :)
12:35
warren, come on, its a latop
12:36
my server has 10000rpm sata disks running raid
12:36
striping ...
12:36
<laga>
ogra: the x300 has SSD :)
12:36* laga steals ogra's server
12:36
<ogra>
laga, i know ... in 2 years i'll have a SSD in my next lappie
12:37
<laga>
me too, hopefully.
12:38* Gadi thinks ogra's new lappie will make him fat and lazy and l-b-c is going to start taking much longer.... :)
12:38* Gadi happily trades him his P3/1GHz
12:38
<ogra>
l-b-c ?
12:39
ah
12:39
click
12:39
Gadi, my next duties for the intrepid release include ressource reduction for subnotebooks :)
12:39
be sure ltsp will benefit ;)
12:40
<warren>
remember the very first celeron?
12:40
it got super hot and it had no L2 cache
12:40
<ogra>
thats the one in the classmate
12:40
<warren>
the ebox 1000 was of similar speed
12:40
<ogra>
but the classmate has 900MHz to cover the bad IO most of the time
12:40
the ebox has 233 or 300 only
12:41
<likuidkewl>
Gadi: we canned the Wyse. Too many little quirks thanks for the help
12:41
<Gadi>
likuidkewl: np
12:42
just remember, it's a strong man who helps his competition
12:42
:)
12:42
<ogra>
as we say in the engine fiddling freak world ... cubic capacity > rpm :)
12:42
<warren>
deb > cubic capacity?
12:42
<ogra>
(raher have L2 cache than higher fequency ;) )
12:43
deb > everything
12:43
:)
12:44
warren, so with fc9 you switch to upstart ... you use the alternatives system as well already ... does fc10 use deb then ?
12:44
<warren>
we've been using alternatives for many years
12:44
although almost nothing uses it
12:44
<ogra>
(me follows the logical evolution here)
12:45
:=
12:45
:)
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<kikin>
HOla
13:59
buenas tardes
14:00
Pueden ayudarme
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<laga>
kikin: hablas ingles?
14:01
<kikin>
no
14:01
i don't speal ingles
14:01
<laga>
no hablo espanol :/
14:02
<Q-FUNK>
mitäs sie nyt höpöttäät?
14:02
<kikin>
ok
14:03
i hav a problem with the istalled of LTSP
14:04
<Q-FUNK>
ok
14:04
<kikin>
for i don't speak ingles 100%
14:04
<Q-FUNK>
what problem and on which hardware?
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<vagrantc>
kikin: hablo un poco de espanol
14:04
<kikin>
ok vagrantc
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<kikin>
mira te explico
14:04
<vagrantc>
si
14:04
<kikin>
estaba instalando la version nueva de ubuntu con el LTSP
14:05
pero a la mitad del camino de la instlacion me lanzo un error que no se podia instalar
14:05
me mando un mensaje algo de COrrupter
14:06
sra que esta dañado el Disco o tiene algo que ver con mi hardware
14:06
<vagrantc>
kikin: el error?
14:07
kikin: que es el error exactamente
14:07
<kikin>
que no se puede instalar el programa LTSP
14:07
por que uno de sus archivos es Corrupter
14:07
o corrupto yo creo
14:07
<vagrantc>
ah
14:07
<Q-FUNK>
cut&paste to paste bin
14:07
oh. checksum error on the cd?
14:08
<vagrantc>
sounds like some of the files on the CD are corrupted ...
14:08
<Q-FUNK>
mastering error or bad self-burnt cd?
14:08
<kikin>
eso memanda
14:08
<vagrantc>
kikin: tiene el imagen de el Disco ?
14:08
<kikin>
si
14:09
tengo los dos
14:09
el Alternate que trae el LTSP
14:09
<Q-FUNK>
if it's a mastering error at ubuntu, we'd need to warn the powers that be
14:09
<kikin>
y el Destop
14:09
<Q-FUNK>
the alternate cd has corrupt files or the main cd?
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<kikin>
asi es Q-FUNK
14:09
<Q-FUNK>
self-burnt or received via shipit.ubuntu.com?
14:09
<vagrantc>
kikin: cual tienen archivos ... corrupted ? :)
14:10
<kikin>
El Alternate
14:10
que trae el LTSP
14:10
<Q-FUNK>
ok, alternate cd
14:10
right
14:10
<kikin>
yo lo que quiero es instalar el LTSP
14:10
what can i make?
14:10
que puedo hacer
14:10
<vagrantc>
kikin: puede installar un sistema basica y installar LTSP al red ?
14:11
<kikin>
eso es lo que voy hacer
14:11
tengo en otra maquina el ububtu 8
14:11
normal
14:11
pero mi duda es
14:11
meto el disco de incio de ubuntu le coloco f4 y seleccion Intalador de LTSP
14:11
pero que opcion le doy instalar ububtu?
14:12
me quita la version anterion o como esta eso
14:12
<vagrantc>
kikin: no estoy seguro para ubuntu ...
14:12
i'm not 100% sure here ... what the recommended way of installing LTSP without using the CD is on ubuntu ...
14:13
i'm thinking install a base system, and then install the rest from the network, and then ltsp-build-client ?
14:13
that's what i usually do on debian.
14:14
<kikin>
ok vangrantc:
14:14
que me recomiendas hacer?
14:16
<vagrantc>
kikin: pienso installa un sistema de Desktop... sigiente installa ltsp-server-standalone o ltsp-server ...
14:16
<kikin>
estoy terminando con una instalacion desktop
14:17
<vagrantc>
kikin: y usar ltsp-build-client para crear la installacion de LTSP
14:17
<kikin>
en unos momentos cuandoi termine la isntalacion podrias orientarme?
14:19
ya termino la instalacion tebusco en 2 minutos vangrantc:
14:19
gracias
14:19
reinicio
14:19
<vagrantc>
reinicio sin LTSP ?
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<kikin>
vagrantc:
14:22
estoy de regreso
14:24
estoy actualizando Ububtu
14:24
por que solo tenia la versión de prueba
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<kikin>
vagrantc:
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<kikin>
Hi
14:54
to all
14:55
vagrantc:
14:55
how speak spanish
14:55
??
14:55
<vagrantc>
kikin: como?
14:55
<kikin>
vagrantc
14:56
me desapareci
14:56
por que isntale el ubuntu desktop 8
14:56
<laga>
:(
14:56
<kikin>
ahora estoy en una instalacion normal
14:56
si no puedo instalar desde el CD de ubutnutu el LTSP
14:57
entonces que puedo hacer
14:57
?
14:57
<vagrantc>
kikin: installar "ltsp-server"
14:58
kikin: es un paquette
14:58
kikin: sudo apt-get install ltsp-server o apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
14:59
<kikin>
estoy instlando el lstp-server
14:59
listo
15:00
ya lo instale
15:00
que mas procede
15:00
<vagrantc>
ok
15:00
kikin: tiene dos tarjetas de red?
15:00
<kikin>
si
15:00
pero solo utilizare 1 sin acceso a internet
15:00
no quiero que accese a internet
15:00
solo
15:01
utilizarlo como trabajo
15:01
<vagrantc>
la otra para los clientes
15:01
?
15:01
<kikin>
si
15:01
<vagrantc>
perfecto :)
15:01
ok, necesita configurar el segundo red ...
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<kikin>
antes de emepezar
15:02
quitame de una duda
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<kikin>
habia leido que tenia yo que instalar el ltspfs ltsp-manager
15:02
eentre otros paquetes
15:02
que tancierto es eso
15:02
?
15:02* laga needs to learn spanish
15:02
<vagrantc>
ltspfs, si.
15:03
no se que ltsp-manager es functiona bien o malo.
15:03
laga: yo tambien :)
15:03
<kikin>
como quien dice que tengo que instalar mas paquetes
15:03
<vagrantc>
!ubuntu
15:03
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
15:04
<kikin>
cuales son esos paquetes
15:04
?
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<vagrantc>
kikin: pienso installar ltsp-server-standalone ...
15:05
<kikin>
bueno la lista de paquetes que nececito ya la genere de los que requiere la instalacion del disco para explicarme me fije que paquetes instala el CD LTSP
15:06
y los instale
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<vagrantc>
kikin: cuando el segundo red es listo ... sudo ltsp-build-client ....
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<kikin>
se esta procezando el comando
15:10
esta validando y recibiendo
15:10
<vagrantc>
si
15:10
<kikin>
te lanzo 1 pregunta
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<kikin>
tengo 2 ethernet
15:10
si en la 0 la quiero para internet y la 1 para mis clientes como hago ese cambio
15:10
?
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<vagrantc>
kikin: configurar en /etc/network/interfaces ?
15:13
<kikin>
ok ahi es
15:13
ok
15:13
entonces estoy bien
15:13
<vagrantc>
:)
15:13
<kikin>
se tarda un poquin
15:13
´╗┐sudo ltsp-build-client
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<kikin>
auto eth0
15:16
iface eth0 inet dhcp
15:16
auto eth1
15:16
iface eth1 inet static
15:16
address 172.16.1.1
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netmask 255.255.255.0
15:16
gateway 172.16.1.1
15:16
estoy en lo correcto
15:16
mi eth 1 es de mi trabajo
15:16
<vagrantc>
queire eth1 para internet?
15:17
<kikin>
no la 0
15:17
pero la pregunta que te habia dicho es que si pude ser alrebez
15:18
<vagrantc>
no necesita gateway con clientes
15:18
<kikin>
aaaaaa
15:18
ahi estaba mi error
15:19
entonces esta mal configurado
15:19
ahi es donde me hago pelotas
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jaja
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xD
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<vagrantc>
kikin: necesita configurar /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf o /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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<kikin>
vagrantc
15:24
esos archivo son obligatorios configurarlos
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esos no los se configurar
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en un manualito que habia bajado
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eso me decia que solo se le agregara al archivo ´╗┐/etc/network/interfaces lo que te mande
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:-(
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<vagrantc>
kikin: necesita configurar dhcpd.conf o cambia la red para 172.16.1. -> 192.168.0.
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<kikin>
todabia no termina de instalarse ltsp-buil-cliente
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<vagrantc>
kikin: no termine
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<kikin>
vagrantc:
15:33
ha terminado la isntalacion del ltsp cliente
15:33
ok
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<vagrantc>
kikin: esta bien, o no?
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<warren>
vagrantc: before tagging ltspfs I might have another fix
16:51
<vagrantc>
warren: i just merged something new. i have no intent to tag.
16:51
<warren>
vagrantc: on the ltspfs side any idea why it is creating /media/$username as 0755?
16:52
<vagrantc>
warren: no sure. but when fuse mounts on top of it, not even root should be able to see what's inside.
16:52
<warren>
vagrantc: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=526320
16:52
vagrantc: this patch against glib2 is looking at the permissions and seeing the last 5 and thinking it is readable
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<warren>
vagrantc: how much confidence do you have in that new code in ltspfs?
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<vagrantc>
warren: fairly confident. i did actually test it. though debian's still using different udev rules.
16:55
<warren>
different udev rules provided where?
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<vagrantc>
warren: in the debian packaging
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<warren>
OK, I see lbmount.c has mkdir_safe()
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if (mkdir(dir, 0755)) {
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<vagrantc>
warren: you'd rather set that mode to something more restrictive? sounds like a good idea, with a little testing.
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<warren>
I'm seeing how it behaves if that's changed to 0750
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<vagrantc>
i've never really been able to wrap my head around numeric modes and umasks and such.
16:58
<warren>
or do we rather want 0770?
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or 0700
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<vagrantc>
conceptually, it makes sense, i just can't figure it out.
16:59
i think i tried 0700 ages ago and it did not behave as expected.
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<warren>
hm
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<vagrantc>
the directory was created with really bizzarre permissions
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<warren>
i'm trying 0750 now
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what does the udev changes enable again?
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<vagrantc>
warren: the commit i just pushed merges add_fstab_entry and remove_fstab_entry into a single script with common functions.
17:01
<warren>
oh
17:01
so not the udev change yet
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<vagrantc>
warren: so you'll have to either update the udev rules to use "ltspfs_entry add" instead of "add_fstab_entry" ...
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warren: or make symlinks for add/remove_fstab_entry to ltspfs_entry ...
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<warren>
udev rules provided by?
17:02
like tomrrow is my last day to push bug fixes
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<vagrantc>
i updated 88-ltsp.rules in ltspfs-trunk, it should work at least that well.
17:02
<warren>
and I'd rather not touch ltsp anymore
17:02
oh
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<vagrantc>
warren: what version of ltspfs do you have now?
17:03
<warren>
0.5.1
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<vagrantc>
warren: stick with that. my latest commit is just functionally equivalent.
17:03
warren: it's just implemented a little cleaner.
17:04
warren: and the more involved changes i'm not confident in. i *think* it's the right direction to go, but it needs more review.
17:04
warren: that's why i haven't merged them yet.
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<warren>
I'll test what you pushed
17:05
I see that the changes necessary to use this are self-contained in ltspfs
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<warren>
[warren@newcaprica ltspfs-trunk]$ grep -r "fstab_entry" *
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scripts/ltspfs_entry: # called as add_fstab_entry or remove_fstab_entry
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leftover?
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<vagrantc>
warren: backwards compatbility
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<warren>
oh, if someone had used symlnks
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<vagrantc>
yes
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warren: at some point, we can remove that code, but for the moment...
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warren: i wanted to maintain compatibility and it wasn't difficult.
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<warren>
vagrantc: your changes seem to be working here fine
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<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, they worked well for me too.
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<warren>
I also built with 0750
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seems to be working fine
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<vagrantc>
warren: and the directory is getting created the way you'd like?
17:19
<warren>
yes
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0755 -> 0750
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<vagrantc>
what group owns it?
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<warren>
this means everyone else can't read or cd into that directory
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which they already can't
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... /media/$username is owned by root group username
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<vagrantc>
ah, 0700 maybe didn't work because it's owned by root
17:20
<warren>
yeah, only root can create something in /media/$username
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from lbmount
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<vagrantc>
right
17:20
and the group is ?
17:20
<warren>
whatever the user's group is
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We need to consider 0700 0770 or 0750
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oh, 0700 doesn't work for the reason you mention
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<vagrantc>
right
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<warren>
0770 or 0750
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<vagrantc>
warren: there was a security concern about a user being able to DoS the / partition
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warren: so the directory can't be writeable by the user.
17:22
<warren>
ok then 0750 is desirable
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<vagrantc>
yes, that seems about right.
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<warren>
checking in now
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<vagrantc>
warren: does that address the issue in the bug report you mentioned?
17:26
<warren>
yes
17:26
it works great with the glib patch
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<vagrantc>
cool
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<warren>
0750 should be fine for all past users as well
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vagrantc: any objections to tagging this as 0.5.2?
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<vagrantc>
warren: just with the 0750 change and the commit i just made?
17:31
<warren>
ye
17:31
yes
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<vagrantc>
seems fine.
17:32
in 2-3 days i'll make a new upload to debian with it.
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<warren>
wow
17:32
data cdrom worked as well
17:32
it is like magic
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<vagrantc>
indeed.
17:33
:)
17:33
<warren>
vagrantc: btw what do you know about our localapps support?
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<vagrantc>
warren: ltsp's ?
17:33
<warren>
yes
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I'm realizing any multimedia is unusable wtih LTSP
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youtube in firefox
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omg
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20-40MB/sec bandwidth
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<vagrantc>
yeah, pretty much un-useable.
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warren: basically, i pretty much understand the blueprint for localapps that scottie proposed almost a year ago
17:35
warren: but little to no work has been done on it.
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warren: although recently someone from extremadura, spain has been working on a simplified version of it
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<warren>
I'm working on LTSP server install media next
17:36
my remaining major problem is ETherboot being completely busted
17:36
none of the tools are working to wrap the F9 kernel
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<vagrantc>
ouch
17:37
debian sid is still using 2.6.24
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<warren>
ah, other polish things I'm missing
17:38
Shutdown, Hibernate, Reboot still appearing in my menus
17:38
not so good =)
17:39* vagrantc wonders how it is for debian
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<vagrantc>
warren: quite the rationale for your 0750 commit :)
17:50
<warren>
if we went through the effort of thinking about it, we might as well write it down
17:50
<vagrantc>
fair enough
17:50
<warren>
we might wonder why we chose that earlier
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it might even prevent someone else from creating a security hole one day
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<vagrantc>
indeed
17:54
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 2 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 8 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <sbalneav> Yep!
17:55* vagrantc sighs
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17:57* Q-FUNK misses scottie
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<warren>
We must honor his memory and be strong as he would have wanted us.
17:58
doh...
17:58
my latest hunch of what was causing etherboot wrapping failure was wrong
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: wrong movie :)
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<vagrantc>
warren: 0750 won't provide any advantage if all users use the same default group ... but i know debian, ubuntu and apparently fedora don't do that.
18:05
at least, not by default
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<warren>
true
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but is it a big deal? =)
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<vagrantc>
but it's no worse in that case anyways
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<petre>
warren, ping
20:47
<warren>
?
20:47
<petre>
you mentioned changing the icon on the wiki, from the default trac one
20:48
<warren>
yeah
20:48
<petre>
I looked at trying to replace it with the K12Linux icon from the K12LTSP wiki, but I don't think I have permissions to make change at that level
20:48
<warren>
we don't have time to make a permanent logo
20:48
I don't want a penguin in the K12Linux icon
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<petre>
right, that's why I 'borrowed' the one from the k12ltsp wiki
20:48
why not?
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<warren>
for one, penguins are against our corporate policy
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and it is highly problematic if we later have a "sponsored by Red Hat" logo on the side
20:49
I was talking with Mairin Duffy about a permanent logo for K12Linux
20:50
we'll want something creative and unique from scratch
20:50
she's really good with this sort of thing
20:50
<petre>
ah, ok, well then I'll leave it to someone else with more artistic talent than I
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<warren>
we also have fedora-art-list which has many talented artists
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<petre>
warren, I ran your new ltsp-build-client for f8 last night, successfully
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but now when I try to start ltsp-vmclient, it hangs at the
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<warren>
where?
21:34
<petre>
loading pxelinux.0 step
21:34
<warren>
you sure xinetd is serving tftp?
21:34
<petre>
yes
21:34
checked that
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restarted xinetd just to make sure
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<warren>
did you tail -f /var/log/audit/audit.log to be sure selinux isn't rejecting something?
21:35
<petre>
no, I'll look there
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<warren>
are you sure the individual services like tftp are enabled in xinetd?
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<warren>
chkconfig --list
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<petre>
yes, checked all those
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<warren>
OK, it is possible that something broke in F8 or my rebuilds for F8
21:37
OTOH it is more likely some kind of ocnfiguration problem
21:37
or maybe selinux
21:37
you could temporarily use "setenforce 0" to try it with selinux permissive
21:38
btw did you try rebooting?
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<petre>
well, not today I haven't tried rebooting
21:38
I think selinux is already set to permissive--uh, where can I check?
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<warren>
getenforce
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<petre>
yep, it's permissive; nothing sticks out in audit.log
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I'll try a reboot, but first gotta let ltsp-build-client on my f9 vm finish
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<warren>
I'm pretty certain the F9 version works
21:48
I'll have to install a F8 box to test it.
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