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not who I normally am
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There that's better
Hello... can Ekiga run as a local app?
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epaphus: I think some people have
thats what i hear also...
but i thought it had a certain dependancy that made it really difficult..?
Well the simplest way would just be to try :)
good morning sbalneav
then, if you DO run into difficulties, you can document it on a wiki somewhere
welll yeah and no. i wanted to find out before i try :P
so that next time someone asks "Does ekiga work as a local app", then we can say "http://....
epaphus: Well, the previous person who tried, didn't document.
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document it so it can be shared for the future
I <3 the documenation I've found for ubuntu+ltsp
Nubae did a lot of work on the wiki
and I maintain the upstream docs
sbalneav: how is the sourceforge website working out?
In what way?
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sbalneav: i know the other server you were using was having issues or something and you were debating what to do with the site
I belive we're using Sourceforge now for the upstream wiki
I don't know if jammcq's got everything moved over yet or not.
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I've been on vacation for a week, my brain isn't functioning again yet
dro: could be worse...
you could have a snow day from work :)
lol I missed work
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hello, wondering if anyone knew how to change keyboard layout for clients. I have a server installed using a vm template that originated in France, I went through setup and it did not allow me to change keyboard, It was not apparent that it was set for French settings, not US until trying to login as a user with the ltsp install. I was able to change on the server, but did not know how to change the ltsp portion, do I have to do the ltsp-bu
grantk: probably need to change it in the chroot or in lts.conf
dro: ok, I checked lts.conf, It has been a while since I made any changes to ltsp, If I recall chroot is going to basically be the same files to change as a normal system right?
grantk: found this link, it should help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=211061
grantk: I'm not 100% sure but check out that post
dro: ohh, sweet, thanks, second reply looked awesome
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I'll be tagging a new ltsp in 5 minutes if nobody has objections (to include the gid fix and a screen-session.d bug)
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just for everyone's information, I uploaded a new LTSP to Lucid, it's the first time LTSP is shipped without HAL for a while
so I'll quite soon start to cleanup all of upstream scripts so they don't depend on hal anymore
as hal is being dropped as a dependency at least in Ubuntu (I suspect other distros are doing the same too)
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I'll be doing a backport for Karmic in a few minutes
what replaces hal?
part will be done by devicekit, the rest is done directly with udev
udev, udisks (formerly devicekit-disks), upower (formerly devicekit-power)
and on the media player front, media-player-info
that's what i thought. udev started making it's appearence in 2003 iirc with lfs ?
more like suse/redhat
earlier than that?
well, gentoo was automated lfs :)
about what time frame?
go to the udev site, look for the earlier tarball
there ya go
has udev made things more complicated for the user/admin ?
uhmm.. maybe.. but it also allowed linux to be a decent plug and play OS..
before, it was all hardcoded in the kernel
I have an HP T5000 thin client (lspci: http://pastebin.com/f54fb6198) where only one specific user can login, while other users (or new users) fail to login.
Can someone help in locating the problem? Here's the working user's .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/f75183c8a
And here's the non-working user's .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/f54fb6198
actually.. before that.. iwas devfs.. which was similiar to udev..
but devfs never really got maintained
Oops, correct link for lspci: http://pastebin.com/f186fe285
kinda died later..
Ahmuck, i recommend you read about greg k-h .. one of the most prolific usb maintainers
you'll find the entire store if you cross ref udev and greg kroah-hartman
hrm, that will be an interesting read, on the paper presented in 2003
johnny: ah yes, i recall now that was the disucssion at lfs, choosing which to use iirc, devfs or udev
well.. not much of a choice really
devfs was dyin
johnny: actually, i've set down and started reading the kroah-hartman pdf
the design of udev was obviously better
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@(#@*&$(@ I can login with vesa with any user...
...but I don't understand how does this specific user can log in without specifying vesa!
alkisg: have a look at their group membership
sbalneav: they're the same
I was thinking the one was a member of "video" or something that the others weren't
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/80_ltsp-sound: 7: /usr/bin/asoundconf: not found
LANG=en_US.UTF-8 id aggelos && id sotitz # sotitz = the working user
uid=1014(aggelos) gid=1014(aggelos) groups=1014(aggelos),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(fuse),115(admin),122(sambashare)
uid=1011(sotitz) gid=1011(sotitz) ομάδες=1011(sotitz),4(adm),20(dialout),21(fax),24(cdrom),25(floppy),26(tape),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),106(fuse),115(admin),122(sambashare)
wonder if that's turning you
But how can that be different in one user?!!!
path settings in their .bashrc?
I'm purely speculating
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Nah, no sugar :(
not sure it matters, but that should be groups=1011(sotitz)
Ahmuck: that's just the translated greek word...
correct. so if it wasn't translated, would it change things?
is there a specific login process that is looking for the word in english?
Uh, no, that's just the output of the command, and it's the same for both users
I just did LANG=en to change it to english for you guys, but that only affected the first `id` command
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remove /home/user/.config/metacity from offending user?
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Ahmuck: with new users I'm not able to login
So there must be something special in the working user's home dir, that makes things work right...
Also, with XSERVER=vesa I'm able to login with any user
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remove the working user's ~/ stuff
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johnny: proven :( The .xsession-errors, after moving the working user's home dir, and creating another: http://pastebin.com/f604255b
It's just like any other user's .xsession-errors now...
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Gadi: Some ideas about an X/xsession problem? I got an HP T5000 thin client (lspci: http://pastebin.com/f186fe285) and I'm *only* able to login with a specific user. BUT if I set XSERVER=vesa, then I'm able to login with any user!
Working user's .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/f75183c8a Non working: http://pastebin.com/f54fb6198
Ah, narrowed it down to ~/.local, .gconf or .config...
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alkisg: remove the user's .Xauthority
if he has one
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Gadi: I created a new user, copied ~/.gconf from the working user, and this new user can login now
So something in ~/.gconf is making the difference... well... I'll just do a binary search :(
does local firefox seem slow for other folks?
to open i mean
and is there any way to speed it up?
Found it, this makes the users able to login: gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
I've no idea why, though...
Is that compiz-related?
sbalneav: are you around?
anybody using google chrome with ltsp?
alkisg: almost definitely
stgraber: did you "upstart-ify" the initscripts in ur lucid pkg?
Bah... I'm with sbalneav on this, compiz is utterly useless :D
Gadi: not yet, I've been doing some upstart work recently but so far, only get a few services to start
Gadi: getting everything ported to upstart, tested and optimized is quite a lot of work :)
Gadi: btw, you mentioned you found a clean version of your rm -Rf patch for rdesktop, do you have an URL for that ?
I can do better - if you give me an email addy, I can send you my debian/patches directory
Heh, open-invaders works fine with LTSP... allegro >> SDL ;)
alkisg: congratz !
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stgraber: fyi - someone just posted a patch yesterday for full-color cursors
stgraber: hey, were you planning on obsoleting your method for shutdown in favor of alkisg's ?
or will we have both methods long term?
vagrantc: I'll switch to alkis' method (as in, use X atoms), no idea when I'll have the patch in gnome though so it's likely I'll have to keep my localapps hack to get the menu entries
stgraber: was also hoping to sync up our debian dirs a little ... there's always going to be some divergence, but i'd like to sync up what we can
stgraber: I think you can change your .desktop files to use X atoms, no? I think cyberorg came up with a .desktop file that works on both gnome and KDE...
(=call xprop and then dbus and dcop to logout)
alkisg: ok, I'll probably update them this week when I find some time
np from me :)
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anybody know offhand how to specifically disable the floppy in local devices? I can trust my co-workers with their own USB sticks, but not necessarily well enough to not wipe their boot floppies by mistake.
I just went through all the code of current LTSP, it seems we only had 3 files or so that were mentioning hal
LOCALDEV_DENY_FLOPPY = True
stgraber: iirc, you were the only one who use it :)
Gadi: While I've got you, will you have some time to test a fix I have to the ltspfs permissions issue?
sbalneav: the whole group ownership thing?
so.. how slow is firefox as a local app for folks?
just trying to see what i should be expecting
it seems fine once you're using it
it's just really really slow to launch
sbalneav: I need to recreate a test environment for it
probably about 30 seconds
Gadi: No rush
Ill add it to the list of VMs to prep
johnny: regardless of client hardware specs?
hard to say.. since they are all about the same..
does it take as long if you close firefox and launch a second time in the same sesion?
they are all >1Ghz
and about the same amount of ram.. but it's probably not enough .. i'm waiting for a delivery
didn't think ram would affect launch tho..
other than crashing at OOM
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i should install that gigabit network card again..
does it take as long if you close firefox and launch a second time in the same session?
i only have 3 clients Gadi ...
i'll try when people aren't using them
if it is slow upon closing and opening a second time, then it most likely has to do with low memory
also might depend on how heavy your default homepage s
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yeah.. i hope to get more ram soon
ok.. time to go home..
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stgraber: you removed "Should-Start: hal" from the ltsp-core init script ... but does Ubuntu even use that setting for anything?
stgraber: it will definitely cause problems for Debian.
at least until the hal stuff is dropped.
it's also the sort of thing that shouldn't cause problems even if it is used by Ubuntu ... it will nudge the dependencies around only if hal is present.
anyone seen this before: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/Default_device_from_environment_variable
vagrantc: hmm, indeed it should cause any issue, I'll revert this one
stgraber: thanks :)
if that above mentioned URL works, i'd like to add a hook that sets ALSA_DEFAULT_PCM=pulse and ALSA_DEFAULT_CTL=pulse from ldm ... although maybe that wouldn't work across all distros.
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so, can we release ltsp 5.2.0 instead of 5.1.100 ?
it would be interesting to have a cross-distro release sync'ed or something. a show of LTSP solidarity.
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with versions, so often i hear people say "5.1.something" and it would be nice at some point to have them say "5.2.something" in order to get a ballpark estimate of what versions they're running.
making 5.1.100 the 5.2 release sounds good as we don't really have big goals that'd justify a 5.2 tag
it's really step by step improvement lately with no major breakage that'd justify a major version change
so that'd mean we'd have 5.2 probably in January ;)
start of a new year :)
And so this is Christmas
and what have you done?
Another year over...
A new rev just begun.
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heh, I'd say Evening in #sabayon, but there's no one there but me.
I have full ops, just in case I feel like kickbanning myself.
huh, there are 53 users there
Ahmuck-Sr: you probably are in #sabayon on freenode, that's for the sabayon disto.
for the sabayon gnome tool, that's on irc.gnome.org
wanting attention /
Nah, just thought it was funny.
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Such an important tool... languished so long.
it gets really really confusing
as terminator lets you split your terminal window and then screen does its own splitting :)
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