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Channel log from 9 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<krinns>
hi all
00:11
am using ltsp 4.1.1 from last year i have a sun machine with 5 gb RAM
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i have 60 users
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now am getting annoied
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users r complaining abt slowlessness more often
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it takes some time 10 mins to boot a thin clinet
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any idea how i make it faster
00:12
even 60 users is not as much load for sun server
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<vagrantc>
wow. that's even slower than ltsp5! :)
00:14
<krinns>
YA
00:14
really users are saying move us to windows
00:14
vagrant any idea
00:15
i have upgrade to 6 gb ram
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even its slower
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<vagrantc>
well, that sounds like a disk problem or network problem ... especially if it just started to be a problem recently but worked before
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<krinns>
i mean suner poer server would have to support atlest 90+ users
00:15
well previously i have 30 users
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but now my users increse to obviously load increses to thats the point to go for high end server machine
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<vagrantc>
but that really shouldn't significantly increase boot times.
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<krinns>
sure but 10 mins to boot
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daily in earlt morining when most of users came in n boot thier clients
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<vagrantc>
sounds like something is broken or misconfigured.
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<krinns>
thats the scene to see am gettings calls my system not working
00:17
users have to wait to get login
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and even if they login their desktop wont come up
00:18
what should i check its simple configuration though
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<vagrantc>
my gut would say hard drive errors ...
00:20
or incompatible ram timing issues
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also, if at all possible, can you try and get it back down to 30 users just for a day or two to test and make sure it really isn't just overloaded?
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or, just long enough to figure out weather the load is the problem
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the dstat program is also useful to figure out what type of problem is causing the load
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it can show you your disk/net/cpu/swap usage over time, so if somethings always overloaded, you can get an idea what type of resource is the problem
00:27
i should really probably start running tftpd-hpa and dhcp3-server, seeing as those are the defaults for ltsp-server in debian.
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<krinns>
no am using novel linux desktop
00:40
vagrant i have notice one thing
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as i add another 1 gb ram
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<vagrantc>
that last comment was essentially talking to myself
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<krinns>
my cpu utilization is more now
01:09
<mistik1>
vagrantc: what would happen if you ripped perl out of a debain box?
01:09
Would apt, debconf and friends be affected?
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<vagrantc>
i think the current version of debconf is written in perl
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<Bhaskar>
Can i shutdown particular client ? how
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<vagrantc>
so, probably
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<mistik1>
ok
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<Bhaskar>
ogra, Can i shutdown particular client ? how
01:10
<mistik1>
vagrantc: Is building OSes not fun?
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<vagrantc>
mistik1: generally, that's why i like debian. it's already mostly there. :)
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<krinns>
vagrant
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i wont gace dstat in NLD
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also it seems in top
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all good
02:11
62 users load is 2.98, 3.54, 5.00
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Cpu(s): 12.5% us, 7.4% sy, 3.0% ni, 70.7% id, 1.6% wa, 0.6% hi, 4.2% si
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Mem: 5946672k total, 5609652k used, 337020k free, 96712k buffers
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Swap: 8393952k total, 2618868k used, 5775084k free, 421236k cached
02:11
but it slows at users end
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can u guide me plz
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<Bhaskar>
where can i find the of etherboot so that i can burn into EPROM to make PXE Bootrom
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code
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<krinns>
vagrant
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u there
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<jmm_ltsp>
Hi. I have a problem with LOCALE_STORAGE. I have an error when turning it on and do not know why. It does not look like a complex option to use and I have found no reference to such a problem on google or LTSP docs.
05:14
Does that option need other options to be set, before ?
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<MaCaDe>
jmm_ltsp: it might help to know what the error is that you get.
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<antgel>
hi all, having a terrible time with assigning hostnames via dns - i have grabbed the check_hostname script from http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#Automatically_assigning_hostname and it returns the right answer, but still, in lts.conf, i can only get the workstation configured by mac address or ip address
06:07
also, i was hoping to get printing working with ltsp5 on debian - someone sent me the jetpipe script but i have no idea how to integrate it - any help appreciated
06:08
<sep>
antgel, just install the printer on the server and it works ?
06:09
<antgel>
sep: when i do an nmap on the client, it's not listening on the jetdirect port
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<sep>
i never bother with local printers on thin clients. i use network printers
06:09
<antgel>
not an option here
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<sep>
antgel, i guess you neet to put the script into the chroot.
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and start it when the client boot
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look into the /etc/rcS.d inside the chroot
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<antgel>
sep: with respect, guesses are no good to me today, i'm under intense pressure :)
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my lts.conf is here http://www.pastebin.ca/387478
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<sep>
antgel, sorry then, i'l keep my mounth shut
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<antgel>
sep: really, thanks for trying, and sorry if i appeared rude
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i wish i had time to mess about with the config more
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<sep>
no offence was taken
06:14
i just never mess with such things since they usualy consume more time then it's worth. when a simple printer with a network interfaces does the job so easily
06:15
what ltsp version are you running btw ?
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<antgel>
5, muekow
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<sep>
the packages in etch ?
06:15
<antgel>
yep
06:16
i have PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usb/lp0 and PRINTER_0_TYPE= U
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but it's not listening on :9100
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<sep>
have yuo ssh'd to the client and tested that usb modules are loaded and that /dev/usb/lp0 works ?
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<antgel>
sep: how can i ssh to it? don't know the root password
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in fact, it's not even listening on ssh port
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<sep>
antgel, you have to set the root pw inside the chroot
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you migth have to install the ssh package too
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<antgel>
ah, didn't know that was standard practice
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<sep>
ssh is nice when your troubleshooting, but not neessecary otherways
06:21
<antgel>
i'm very close to downgrading to 4.2 - not sure if printing is supported in muekow/etch
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i have console access
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<sep>
you can wait for vagrantc if you need knowledge
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i only deal in guesswork :]
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<antgel>
heh
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<sep>
atlest then you can try running your script manually
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<antgel>
sep: just checked - /dev/usb/lp0 is present and correct
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<sep>
and can you start the jetpipe script ?
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<antgel>
sep: i don't know where to put the jetpipe script
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<sep>
antgel, you can try with /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/local/sbin
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put it in there
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then you should see it on the client as /usr/local/sbin/...
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<antgel>
sep: i'll have a go
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<antgel>
sep: hmm, manually running jetpipe gets it listening on :9100
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i'll try and set up a network printer
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<sep>
then you can just add /usr/local/sbin/jetpipe in one of the chroot boot scripts
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and it will start on boot
06:51
<krinns>
hi al
06:51
all
06:51
i have sun opratron machine with haedware raid + 6 gb RAM
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how much users it can support for ltsp
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any idea
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<mrchicken>
Hello
07:18
:(:(
07:19
I'm trying to boot ltsp 4.2, my client is taking ip
07:19
<cliebow>
mrchicken, :..:..:..
07:19
<mrchicken>
but when serving the tftp files I get a not found on my client
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<cliebow>
jump!
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<cliebow>
mrchicken,
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distro?
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<mrchicken>
forget it just saw the mistake :P
07:20
FC4
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<cliebow>
ahh:using ragnars stuffed bear trick huh?
07:21
describe whats happening to an inanimate object and by the time your e done telling the answer comes
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<mrchicken>
LOL
07:23
now I have another problem
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I knew murphy wasnt gonna be a nice guy
07:23
<jammcq>
cliebow: who are you calling an inanimate object?
07:23
<mrchicken>
I'm getting a 'no root-path' specified error
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but I have this on dhcpd.conf
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next-server 192.168.99.4;
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option root-path "192.168.99.4:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386/";
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: that could indicate that you have another dhcp server on your network
07:24
ogra: !!!!
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<ogra>
jammcq, !!!
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<jammcq>
is it really you?
07:25
<mrchicken>
jammcq ... that is not the case... I just checked and the ip is being leased by my ltsp dhcpd
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: can you paste your dhcpd.conf file to http://pastebot.ltsp.org ?
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<ogra>
jammcq, nope, i'm a bot :P
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<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "No root-path" (38 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/34
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<mrchicken>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/34
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<cliebow>
how about inconsiderate object?
07:28
<mrchicken>
ogra... I agree with you, its stoo early in the morning to have full control over your actions
07:28
<jammcq>
ogra: even as a bot, we're happy to have you
07:28
<cliebow>
8~)
07:28
in Spades!! putting up with my ot questions all the time
07:30
<mrchicken>
anybody's looking at the dhcpd.conf I pasted?
07:30
<jammcq>
mrchicken: ok, 2 things. it's still possible that another dhcp server answered, cuz LTSP makes 2 dhcp queries. once from the bootrom, and again after the kernel is loaded. 2nd thing is, are you sure that dhcpd.conf file you sent me is actually the one being used?
07:31
<mrchicken>
jammcq ... I just double checked for other dhcpd... I had one on a BSD box, but I shut it off... and yes thats the one being used
07:31
<antgel>
sep: i don't see how it's any good to start jetpipe from a boot script - i have to hard-code the device and port which means that PRINTER* entries in lts.conf are ignored
07:32
<jammcq>
just double checked, when? just in the last 5 minutes?
07:32
<mrchicken>
just in the last 2 minutes :P
07:33
<jammcq>
ok, so now, reboot the client, see what happens
07:35
<mrchicken>
jammcq... same story
07:35
I have a screenshot
07:35
let me post it
07:37
http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif
07:38
[root@ltsp ~]# service nfs status
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rpc.mountd (pid 1733) is running...
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nfsd (pid 1731 1730 1729 1728 1727 1726 1723 1722) is running...
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rpc.rquotad (pid 1701) is running...
07:43
<cliebow>
ogra:possible to build a new chroot for ppc in feisty with pulse suport?
07:44
<mrchicken>
jammcq??
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<jammcq>
that's the error you are getting?
07:45
you said you were getting 'no root-path'
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<mrchicken>
thats what it says
07:47
oops
07:47
failed 2 mount root
07:47
:$
07:47
<jammcq>
ok, that's quite different from 'no root-path'
07:47
<mrchicken>
:$:$
07:48* mrchicken turns slightly orange
07:51
<ogra>
cliebow, i dont do much ppc testing now that its not officia anymore, but ltsp-build-client should work as wexpected
07:52
<cliebow>
but feisty will go in as expected?
07:52
without borking edgy?
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<antgel>
does /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh not get executed in muekow? i have put a line in there to start jetpipe, but when the client boots, ps ax doesn't show it
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<ogra>
cliebow, it should, yes
08:02
antgel, jetpipe gets started from your ltsp-client-stup initscript
08:02
*setup
08:02
<antgel>
ogra: thought that was only in ubuntu, this is debian etch
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<ogra>
as soon as PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set
08:03
oh, right
08:03
<antgel>
ogra: but any way i can get printing working will do me :)
08:03
<ogra>
then you need some more tweaks to the start_printer script
08:04
well, jetpipe /dev/lp0 9100 should theoretically work
08:04
or /dev/usblp0 ... depending on the printer :)
08:04
<antgel>
ogra: does, but i can't get it to start automatically
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<ogra>
jetpipe has no serial support yet
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<antgel>
ogra: i see the diff there in start_printer, i'll apply it and pray :)
08:05
<ogra>
heh
08:05
should work ... te code there shouldnt differ between deban and ubuntu :)
08:06
<cliebow>
ogra:finest kind..I'll give her a whirl
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<mrchicken>
jammcq ... so any suggestions?
08:11
<antgel>
ogra: nothing - it's like start_printer's not even being called
08:11
<ogra>
mrchicken, your nfs server is running ?
08:11
<antgel>
ooh 1 sec
08:12
<mrchicken>
ogra... YES
08:12
[root@ltsp ~]# service nfs status
08:12
rpc.mountd (pid 1733) is running...
08:12
nfsd (pid 1731 1730 1729 1728 1727 1726 1723 1722) is running...
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rpc.rquotad (pid 1701) is running...
08:12
Sorry for the caps
08:12
<antgel>
my jetpipe is in /usr/local/sbin, not /usr/sbin
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: do this: showmount -e
08:12
<ogra>
antgel, aha !
08:12
link or copy it :)
08:13
<antgel>
ogra: i changed start_printer to the correct path, still no dice
08:13
i'll run start_printer from the shell
08:13
<ogra>
PRINTER_0_DEVICE is set in lts.conf ?
08:13
<mrchicken>
[root@ltsp ~]# showmount -e
08:13
Export list for ltsp:
08:14
<zald>
antgel, what you are trying to achieve then?
08:14
<antgel>
zald: to get printing working in muekow on debian etch
08:14
<ogra>
zald, using jetpipe in muecow
08:14
<mrchicken>
!pastebin
08:14
<ltspbot>
mrchicken: Error: "pastebin" is not a valid command.
08:15
<zald>
setting up usb printer on thin client?
08:15
<jammcq>
pastebot.ltsp.org
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<ltsppbot>
"MrChicken" pasted "Showmount -e" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/35
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<jammcq>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:15
<antgel>
ogra: when i run /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer, it falls into the exec sleep 300! seems that get_cfg PRINTER__DEVICE fails
08:15
zald: ack
08:15
<mrchicken>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/35
08:15
<jammcq>
mrchicken: no need to paste the pastebot info, that happens automatically, when you use OUR pastebot
08:15
<ogra>
antgel, it should be get_cfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE
08:16
or ${PNUM} instead of 0
08:16
<mrchicken>
hrmmm
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: what's the error you are now getting?
08:16
<ogra>
antgel, it falls into sleep 300 if the device doesnt exist in /dev
08:16
make sure the right module is loaded by udev
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<antgel>
ogra: which works - it is actually calling get_cfg PRINTER__DEVICE
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<jammcq>
ah, it's not substituing the number in between the __
08:17
<antgel>
the module is in there and if I manually getltscfg PRINTER_0_DEVICE, i get the desired response
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<ogra>
well, start_printer should be called with $PNUM as argument by the startscrit
08:17
<antgel>
startscrit?
08:18
<ogra>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
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<antgel>
oh, i see, i'm just calling it with no param
08:18
let me set sh -x and reboot
08:18
<ogra>
search for configure_printer
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if [ -n "$PRINTER_0_DEVICE" ]; then
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/usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
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fi
08:18
thast what edgy has by default
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<mrchicken>
http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif
08:18
thats the error
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<antgel>
ogra: you got it - nothing in my /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup about printers at all
08:19
are these bugs in debian, or is debian behind for some reason?
08:19
<ogra>
antgel, hmm, maybe vagrant has patched out all the printer stuff
08:19
debian has probs with the non existent lp_server license
08:20
ubuntu as well, but jetpipe was started after debian freezed
08:20
so jetpipe went into ubuntu but not debian yet
08:20
<mrchicken>
jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/sshot-1.gif thats the error
08:20
<jammcq>
mrchicken: this is NOT an nfs issue, it's a DHCP issue
08:21
so no point in showing us that nfsd is running
08:21
that just throws us off track
08:21
based on the dhcpd.conf file you showd me, i'd say you still have another dhcp server
08:22
<mrchicken>
lemme check the bsd box
08:22
<antgel>
ogra: and i've hacked /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup and we're all systems go!
08:23
<ogra>
yay
08:23
good to know ... vagrant can just include jetpipe then after etch released
08:23
i hope we ave the serial printer support running then
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<mrchicken>
ok, yes, there was a damned dhcpd running there
08:25
I thought it was dead
08:25
<antgel>
ogra: hmm. cups test pages from the webui work. gnome test pages from a normal user don't
08:26
<mrchicken>
it should be now...
08:26
<ogra>
antgel, did you use gnome-cups-manager to add the printer ? we disable the webui in ubuntu ... i havent seen it since 2 years :)
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<antgel>
ogra: no, it was added via the cups webui - surely that shouldn't matter
08:29
<pscheie>
morning all
08:30
<cliebow>
antgel:wantr to post your hack somewhere...for postrior?
08:31
<ogra>
antgel, not really, no
08:31
<cliebow>
antgel:wantr to post your hack somewhere...for posterior?
08:31
<ogra>
antgel, but it works on ubuntu is all i can say ...
08:31
cliebow, https://launchpad.net/people/ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp-jetpipe
08:31
<antgel>
cliebow: i sure will, if i get a chance, i should document it for myself even :)
08:31
<ogra>
should apply to all ltsp versions past dapper
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<antgel>
thanks all, back on sunday...
08:35
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "jetpipe patch" (130 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/36
08:36
<ogra>
cliebow, ^^^
08:36
<cliebow>
Cool! Input!
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<mrchicken>
jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/shotq2.gif thats the new error
08:40
<jammcq>
Not Found
08:40
The requested URL /test/shotq2.gif was not found on this server.
08:40
<mrchicken>
jammcq --> http://200.71.58.39/test/shot2.gif thats the new error
08:40
<jammcq>
I don't think so
08:40
<mrchicken>
sorry
08:40
didnt see the q
08:41
<jammcq>
mrchicken: there ya go, it's telling you exactly what's wrong
08:41
"failed reason given by server: permission denied"
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<jammcq>
your root-path is specifying /opt/ltsp-4.2/i386, but your /etc/exports file is exporting /opt/ltsp
08:42
<mrchicken>
but I 777d it
08:42
<jammcq>
that's NOT the problem
08:43
the problem is, the /etc/exports file controls what directories can be mounted via NFS, and /opt/ltsp-4.2 ISN'T ONE OF THEM
08:44
<ogra>
jammcq, doesnt 4.2 set the entry in /etc/exports ?
08:44
<jammcq>
yes, it's supposed to
08:44* ogra wonders if there is muecow involved anywhere
08:44
<jammcq>
I don't thik so
08:44
he's done re-installs, and who knows what he's got now
08:45
<ogra>
ah
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<jammcq>
but if he edits his /etc/exports file, and runs exportfs -ra
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he should be fine
08:45
<ogra>
yep
08:45
indeed
08:45
<cliebow>
right
08:45
kosher
08:50
<Gadi>
mmm.... kosher....
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<Gadi>
finger lickin kosher....
08:56
<cliebow>
8~)
08:56
havnt had blintzes for ages
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<cliebow>
ogra:after update dist-upgrade to feisty..then ltsp-server-standalone i have no ltsp kernel in /var/lib/tftpboot..
09:01
also did build-client which seems fine
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<cliebow>
S!!
09:18
<ogra>
yo sbalneav
09:28
<jammcq>
Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
09:34
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hi all
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09:38
<pscheie>
ogra: what's the tool for monitoring student desktops that will be in the next edubuntu release?
09:39
<ogra>
student-control-panel (it's in edgy already) .... renamed to thin-client-manager in feisty
09:39
<sbalneav>
ogra: hey hey!
09:40
<vagrantc>
ogra: you exist!
09:40
<pscheie>
do you know who the deve/maintainer of that is?
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09:43
<ogra>
vagrantc, !!
09:43
youre awake at a time *i* am awake !!
09:44
<vagrantc>
ogra: it's amazing :)
09:44
<mrchicken>
Back
09:45
<vagrantc>
ogra: how feisty is feisty?
09:46
<ogra>
not very
09:46
biggest ltsp news is pulseaudio
09:46
<vagrantc>
heh.
09:46
<ogra>
but i started a lot of stuff for feisty+1 which is still in development ... like new ldm ith cairo support
09:46
(lots faster)
09:46
<vagrantc>
ah, that's good.
09:47
when i've paid attention to the boot speed, the majority of the slowness seems to be ldm.
09:47
<ogra>
yep
09:48
also svg is a lot less mem hungry
09:48
<vagrantc>
excellent.
09:48
<ogra>
oh, and indeed python-ltsp is in feisty
09:48
but it still needs more contributions (hint, hit)
09:49
sadly i didnt make it to finish the port of ltsp-manager to it ...
09:49
<bricode_>
ogra: All 80 MB of it? :)
09:49
<vagrantc>
i need more time to work on projects. :(
09:50
<ogra>
bricode_, 80MBof what ?
09:50
<bricode_>
ogra: That's what it takes to load LDM over the network currently.
09:51
<ogra>
??
09:51
surely not :)
09:51
<bricode_>
ogra: Wait, I guess that includes the kernel as well.
09:51
<ogra>
else ldm wouldnt run on my 64M client ;)
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09:51
<ogra>
right and X
09:51
<bricode_>
ogra: from boot to login screen is ~80 MB.
09:52* vagrantc should try the same with sdm
09:52
<ogra>
bricode_, still ldm itself is at most 6M big (including the loaded python libs)
09:52
<bricode_>
humm...
09:52* bricode_ reviews his notes.
09:53
<ogra>
80MB might be all that goes over the net in total ... but surely 80M isnt loaded into memory
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<ogra>
cutting down your client with a MEM option in the PXE settings will show you you can boot 48M clients ...
09:54
<vagrantc>
i think i've booted in 32, even.
09:54
<bricode_>
ogra: sorry, got the numbers a little wrong... 67.3 MB from start to login, add another 18 MB for login->desktop. Yes, that's only network transfer, not RAM requirements.
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09:56
<mrchicken>
hello, i'm back after some isp issues :P
09:56
I'm trying to boot ltsp 4.2 and I get a permission denied error while mounting the root dir
09:57
/opt/ltsp-4.3/i386
09:57
however I just 777d it
09:57
<ogra>
mrchicken, did you fix your /etc/exports ?
09:58
<vagrantc>
ltsp-4.3 ??
09:58
<mrchicken>
4.2 sorry
09:58
:P
10:00
just did ... let me reboot and see
10:00
same error
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<mrchicken>
grrrr
10:11
now my computer decided to shut down
10:11
anyway...
10:15
I still get the same error
10:16
/opt/lts-4.2/i386 forbidden
10:16
and I have it now in my exports
10:16
and its 777d
10:19
<jammcq>
mrchicken: run this: showmount -e
10:20
<mrchicken>
hello??
10:20
<ogra>
mrchicken, just do what jammcq said
10:20
<cliebow>
jammcq:shouldnt ltsp-server-standalone give me kernels in /var/lib/tftpboot?
10:21
<jammcq>
cliebow: that's a question for ogra
10:21
<ogra>
cliebow, ltsp-update-kernels should ...
10:21
<cliebow>
k
10:21
<ogra>
which is run by ltsp-build-client as last command
10:21
so yes, it should
10:21
unles you do cross arch stuff
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<vagrantc>
well, even if you do cross arch stuff
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<ogra>
then you run ltsp-build-client on the client arch ...
10:23
<vagrantc>
ah, yes. but ltsp-update-kernels will still copy the kernels and such
10:23
<ogra>
so ltsp-update-kernels wont run on the server and you need to run it manually
10:24
<vagrantc>
i really wish i had finished my ltsp-update-kernels patches in time for etch so that you almost never need to run ltsp-update-kernels
10:24
i think it works, but i haven't tested it much, as other issues took priority
10:24
<ogra>
well, there is always etch+1 :)
10:25
<vagrantc>
ogra: not neccesarily... :)
10:25
<ogra>
heh
10:25
<vagrantc>
this is the point in the debian release cycle where ... things are very frustrating
10:26
its close enough to release i dont want to break anything, and yet... gah. its stalled.
10:27
<jammcq>
ogra: if ltsp-update-kernels only copies files, why can't it run cross-architecture?
10:27
<ogra>
yeah
10:27
jammcq, it can
10:28* jammcq must be confused
10:28
<ogra>
the prob is that yu nfs mount /opt/ltsp from the server to the client to run ltsp-build-client
10:28
so you dont have access to /var/lib/tftpboot ...
10:28
<jammcq>
ah
10:29
<ogra>
if you export both and mount both rw it will work
10:29
but usualy you have a tarball or something ... so you need to run the copying command after untarring
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<ogra>
thats why vagrantc splitted the arch indepedent parts out ....
10:30
<mrchicken>
Grrr my ISp is getting on my nerves
10:30
anyway
10:31
I'm still getting the nfs mount error reason: permission denied when trying to boot from a workstation
10:32
exports is OK and the dir is 777d
10:32
<ogra>
what does showmount -e return ?
10:33
<mrchicken>
Export list for ltsp:
10:33
<cliebow>
i set aside me old chroot and building over
10:33
<mrchicken>
grrr
10:33
/opt/ltsp 192.168.99.0/255.255.255.0
10:33
/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.99.0/255.255.255.0
10:33
<ogra>
and what dr are you trying to mount ?
10:34
*dir
10:34
<jammcq>
mrchicken: did you edit /etc/exports ?
10:34
<mrchicken>
yes
10:34
just realized I hadnt reloaded nfs deamon
10:34
<jammcq>
then you probably forgot to run: exportfs -ra
10:34
<mrchicken>
:$
10:34
<jammcq>
ok, I gotta run. meeting to attend
10:34
<mrchicken>
ko thnx
10:34
<cliebow>
welcome you are
10:35
<mrchicken>
now it complains about lts.conf
10:35
there is an lts.conf.readme
10:36
is there anything special I should get in there or do I just rename it?
10:36
<cliebow>
start with th default..this is 4.2 right??
10:36
<vagrantc>
!lts.conf
10:36
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
10:36
<mrchicken>
yes
10:37
<cliebow>
what video card is in your Client?
10:37
<mrchicken>
ummm it should be an ATI Radeon
10:37
<cliebow>
should autodetect
10:40
mrchicken, be careful editting lts.conf..extra characters inserted by editors like gedit can bork it
10:44
<mrchicken>
can I add a mouse_device=Auto?
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<mrchicken>
since I have some computers that use ps2 and anothers use serial
10:45
?
10:46
ummmm
10:46
ok
10:47
now it stalls in rc.sysinit completed
10:50
ok its working now
10:50
THANK YOU ALL!!
10:51
bye
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10:52
<ltsppbot>
"cliebow" pasted "ltsp-build-client" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/37
10:53
<cliebow>
ogra: there is end of ltsp-build-client..
10:57
<vagrantc>
what do you mean the end? we're just getting started :)
10:58
cliebow: from the lack of localization support, i'm guessing this is ubuntu? :)
10:58
<cliebow>
the end for me 8~)..i dont ave any kernels..yep its feisty
10:59
<vagrantc>
ogra: don't you basically just need to install the language packages or something into the ltsp chroot to get those ugly locale warnings to disappear?
11:00
<ogra>
no
11:00
<vagrantc>
cliebow: you could run in verbose mode, to find out which plugin is causing it
11:01
cliebow: "ltsp-build-client --debug" i think
11:01
<ogra>
but i have a locale plugin to add wit5h my next upload
11:01
<vagrantc>
ah, good.
11:01
<cliebow>
it seems to crap out before addresssing the kernel issue??
11:02
ahh
11:02
<ogra>
locale and console handling are different in ubuntu, so i cant just use yours
11:03
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, i know you can't use debian's, but i'magine its not real difficult
11:03
<ogra>
well
11:03
<vagrantc>
and sounds like you've already done it
11:03
<ogra>
i want to preseed X as wel with the right keymap
11:03
<vagrantc>
ooooh. fancy.
11:03
<ogra>
but thats the part which is a bit tricky
11:03* vagrantc needs to remember to stop typing 's before going to work.
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<vagrantc>
speaking of which ....
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<ogra>
meh, i wanted to ask him something about that tricky part ... :/
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<cliebow>
ogra:looksw to me like it borks if /p[roc/self/fd exists
11:17
<ogra>
cliebow, dont run ltsp-build-client on unclean targets ...
11:17
sudo rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 && sudo ltsp-build-client
11:18
<cliebow>
have done so
11:18
but let me screw with it
11:18
<ogra>
the fd only exists if you install to an existing chroot ...
11:19
so somehow your rm -rf didnt wipe everything
11:19
<cliebow>
k
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<cliebow>
ogra:dies every time with /opt having no ltsp in it at all
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<ogra>
weird
11:32
did you put any own plugins in place or something ?
11:33
<cliebow>
i had an /opt/ltsp/powerpc taken from an ibook there..but i moved it back to /
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<cliebow>
ogra:dont stress..just testing..
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<ogra>
cliebow, hmm, seems to be recent bug, did yu test that in feisty ? i see it as well
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<CapriCoRN^80>
hi ltsp5 version is available for suse ?
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<ogra>
nope
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<whiprush>
hi ogra!
12:07
<ogra>
whiprush, !!!
12:07
back to the OSS world again ?
12:07
<whiprush>
ogra: we're setting up a feisty/ltsp dev environment this week, anything specific you need tested?
12:08
ogra: heh, work related.
12:08
<CapriCoRN^80>
hi ltsp5 version is available for suse ?
12:09
<ogra>
nothing in particular, sound was redesigned for feisty, would make sense to focus on testing there
12:09
CapriCoRN^80, nope (as i said before)
12:10
apart from that there have been more bugfixes than development in feisty ... python-ltp is new, but thats rather for UI developers to write management tools
12:10
*python-ltsp
12:10
<CapriCoRN^80>
sorry i didnt get that
12:11
<ogra>
np :)
12:11
<CapriCoRN^80>
ogra: u setup ltsp on ubuntu ?
12:12
<ogra>
yep
12:13
<CapriCoRN^80>
u ever had usb problem on it ?
12:13
<ogra>
nope
12:13
works fine
12:13
whats your problem ?
12:14
<CapriCoRN^80>
i had lot of problems as i m using k12ltsp distro . but they were fixed .i was thinking may be ubuntu might be good in terms of that
12:15
coz i never heard some ubuntu user saying that they having usb problmes
12:15
problems *
12:15
<ogra>
ltsp5 is a completely new implementation ... its not very comaprable to k12 on a technical level
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<CapriCoRN^80>
yea thats y its not available for k12ltsp distro .. i was checking ltsp.org
12:16
wat new ltsp5 got ?
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<ogra>
its a complete different implementation, based on the package selection of the servers distro ... istead of a monolithic tarball
12:20
i.e. in ubuntu ltsp clients use all the ubuntu hardware detection etc ... in debian debians ....
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<jammcq>
ogra: hey, is feisty_edubuntu going to support Etherboot out of the box?
12:35
<ogra>
jammcq, nohing chnaged wrt edgy, so yes
12:35
(sorry, mouth full)
12:36
<jammcq>
so, edgy supports it too? no need to install mknbi separately?
12:36
<ogra>
no, it should work out of the box ... we merged the code together in detroit, remember ?
12:36
<jammcq>
yeah, I just wasn't really sure that it actually made it into edgy officially
12:36
<ogra>
it did
12:37
but please test it if you have th etime to be sure
12:37
<jammcq>
cool. i'm just responding to someone's email on the k12 list, where he said if you have etherboot clients, you shouldn't install edubuntu
12:37
<ogra>
there might be regressions i havent found
12:37
<jammcq>
i'll set him straight
12:38
ok, thanks. back to my meeting now, talk to ya later
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<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "new /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-mount-proc for cliebow (fixes the /proc/fd issue)" (13 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/38
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: hi
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<cliebow>
ogra:that was in feisty..
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<ogra>
cliebow, so use the paste i made, it fixes it
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<cliebow>
beautiful..giving it a try!
13:24
ogra:seems to be cooking with Gas now 8~)
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<ogra>
:)
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<cliebow>
did the trick! might give it a whirl this P.M. if i can get the toime
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<cliebow>
DUDE:first try!!
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<pscheie>
ogra: where can one find the source code for student-control-panel?
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<jammcq>
it's python
14:33
you should have it on your ubuntu system
14:37
<pscheie>
oh, ok
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<cliebow>
jammq:you have the autoswitch piece for ppc architecture somewhere?
14:39
for dhcpd.conf
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<jammcq>
autoswitch? oh, the dhcpd.conf stuff
14:42
it's on the wiki
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<pscheie>
found it; thanks jammcq
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<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DHCP#How_to_automatically_pass_the_co
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<cliebow>
for three parameters..in dhcpd.conf if elseif else?
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<jammcq>
umm, you'd have to check the dhcpd.conf man page
14:45
I don't have my book handy
14:45
<cliebow>
cool
14:49
<prpplague>
jammcq: hey hey, whats cookin? doing any conferences lately?
14:50
<jammcq>
prpplague: hey buddy
14:50
haven't been to a conf in a while, but i'm heading down to brazil next month
14:51
<cliebow>
elsif
14:51
<prpplague>
jammcq: lovely
14:52
jammcq: guess you'll have to be extra careful
14:52
<jammcq>
yeah, thanks to your buddy who visited there yesterday
14:53
<prpplague>
jammcq: why do people always assume that just because he's from texas that everyone is his buddy? hehe
14:53
<agliodbs>
jammcq: hey, how far is ottawa for you?
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<jammcq>
prpplague: cuz I know who you voted for, that's why
14:54
agliodbs: Ottawa is about 620 miles
14:54
<prpplague>
jammcq: only the first time, not the second
14:54
<jammcq>
prpplague: only cuz you were out of the country
14:54
but you would have
14:54
<agliodbs>
jammcq: so much futher than toronto
14:54
ok
14:54
<prpplague>
jammcq: actually i did vote, and didn't vote for him
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<agliodbs>
pgcon this year is in Ottawa
14:55
<jammcq>
agliodbs: yeah, toronto is the half-way point
14:55
oooh, dates?
14:55
ottawa is a great town
14:55
<agliodbs>
www.pgcon.org
14:55
and this time we won't run out of space
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<prpplague>
jammcq: hehe, fun time at OLS
14:56
<jammcq>
agliodbs: hmm, that date might be a problem for me, but if I can make it, i'll try and be there
14:56
<agliodbs>
yah?
14:56
it's my birthday ;-)
14:56
<jammcq>
which day?
14:56
<agliodbs>
5/23
14:56
<jammcq>
mines 5/24
14:56
<agliodbs>
huh
14:56
<jammcq>
hmm, could be LOTS of fun there
14:57
<agliodbs>
yah
14:57
esp since I'm not running the con this time
14:57
so I can go out
14:57
<jammcq>
yeah, have a chance to enjoy the city
15:00
<prpplague>
jammcq: seen some of the new small thin clients on linuxdevices lately?
15:00
<jammcq>
prpplague: yeah, we're talking with some of the companies
15:00
working out details
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<prpplague>
jammcq: cool deal, i personally haven't done much with TC's in ages, but i like to keep an eye out for them
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<prpplague>
jammcq: you looked at using the AMD PIC ?
15:03
<jammcq>
nope
15:03
haven't had a chance yet
15:04
<prpplague>
jammcq: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2480574574.html
15:04
jammcq: new company selling them now
15:05
<jammcq>
http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html
15:05
that's one we're looking at
15:06
<prpplague>
ahh yea, saw that one online, looks pretty decent
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<Core>
hello evrybody
16:04
Can I ask 1 simple ? about ltsp ?
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<pscheie>
Core: ask away
16:08
<Core>
I used xubuntu, it did l the installations(all server side services and client image) dhcpd gives address, tftp boots kernel. I deleted 'quite' option so I could see whats going on. It looks ok, no errors, but when it switches to X, I dont get anything - plain black screen!
16:08
and the freezed system. I use VMware for both server and diskless client
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<mrchicken>
Hello =)
16:19
Me again :P:P
16:20
Now i'm trying to boot a client from the 3.5" drive using rom-o-matic roms
16:20
but it wont boot
16:21
it will just stall and show funny numbers
16:24
in my logs I see this:
16:24
Mar 9 17:23:27 ltsp atftpd[6266]: Serving /tftpboot/lts/2.6.17.8-ltsp-1/ to 192.168.99.247:2010
16:24
Mar 9 17:23:31 ltsp atftpd[6266]: timeout: retrying...
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<erdinc>
hi everyone
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17:35* erdinc bye aLL...
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<cliebow>
WOOT! broadcom works
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<g333k_laptop>
hi, how can I get the ltsp's source code?
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<g333k_laptop>
anybody home?
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<Davo_Dinkum>
Is there a CD that can let you boot from the NIC?
20:47
For LTSP client purposes.
20:50
Oh right I just install the package
20:50
nm
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21:58
<sbalneav>
hold onto your hats
21:58
<jammcq>
heh, the bot is on the other side of the split
21:58
<sbalneav>
ltspbot: stat
21:58
ltspbot: status
21:58
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: I am connected to freenode as ltspbot.
21:58
sbalneav: Error: "stat" is not a valid command.
21:58
<sbalneav>
ltspbot: learn monkey as SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
21:58
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The operation succeeded.
21:58
<sbalneav>
!monkey
21:58
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "monkey" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
21:59
<sbalneav>
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
22:00
<jammcq>
so, I need those scripts you worked on last week
22:00
<sbalneav>
Oh! Sure.
22:00
hold on.
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<jammcq>
did you get my voicemail?
22:00
<sbalneav>
No, just got back from bringing the kid back from a birthday party
22:00
hold on, I'll go check.
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I've got the update kernels, the sshkeys one I figured would run "as is"
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hold on, I'll scp to dev
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<jammcq>
k
22:02
tanks
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<sbalneav>
T-34, King Tiger, or Sherman?
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in /tmp
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<jammcq>
huh?
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<sbalneav>
the script's in /tmp on www.ltsp.org
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<jammcq>
oh, that's not dev, but that's ok
22:04
<sbalneav>
oh, sorry
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ok, here's the $50 question of the day:
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<Davo_Dinkum>
Which would be better for an ltsp server: a Pentium III 800Mhz or a Celeron 1.1Ghz?
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<jammcq>
the most important thing is how much ram in the server
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<Davo_Dinkum>
i know, but, P3 or cel?
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<jammcq>
after that, i'd check the bus speed on the motherboard
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<Davo_Dinkum>
They're probably both 13Mhz
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133
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<jammcq>
hmm, they'd probably perform about the same
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<Lumiere>
I'd say the PIII
22:31
it probably has more L2 Cache
22:31
which is what would make the difference between the 2
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<Davo_Dinkum>
Yeah I was thinking that
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800Mhz PIIIs have a 256k L2 cache
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav, jammcq : sooooo.... why not put them in /opt/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386 and /opt/ltsp/debian-etch-i386 and put things into $TFTPDIR/ltsp/ubuntu-feisty-i386 and $TFTPDIR/ltsp/debian-etch-i386 ... ?
22:39
that would be more similar to how the ltsp-update-kernels works on ubuntu and debian
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<jammcq>
vagrantc: that's zackly what I was thinking
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: including a sub-dir in the tftpdir...
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<jammcq>
yepper
22:41
<vagrantc>
why do you need a different script at all?
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<Davo_Dinkum>
The celeron has a 100Mhz FSB I think
22:41
<jammcq>
does the script already do that?
22:41
<vagrantc>
yes.
22:41
<jammcq>
well then, maybe it's ok
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<vagrantc>
well, the one in debian and ubuntu, anyways.
22:43
it basically copies /opt/ltsp/*/boot/ to /var/lib/tftpboot/*
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<jammcq>
I'll test it in a bit
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<vagrantc>
with /opt/ltsp and /var/lib/tftpboot being variabalized
22:43
<jammcq>
watching a movie right now
22:43
<vagrantc>
watch away, i've got to do dishes :)
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<jammcq>
for file in $CHROOT/boot/vmlinu* $CHROOT/boot/initrd.img* $CHROOT/bo
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if [ -f "$file" ]; then
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cp -a -v "$file" $TFTP_CHROOT
22:44
umm, that' ain't gonna do it
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<Davo_Dinkum>
Tualatin-256 Celerons can be easily overclocked it seems.
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: that is like so last year
22:45
<jammcq>
that's from edgy. I'll grab the one from feisty and see if it's better
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if [ "$COPYTFTP" = "true" ]; then
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mkdir -p $TFTPBOOT/$CHROOT_NAME
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cp -a -v $CHROOT/boot/. $TFTPBOOT/$CHROOT_NAME/
22:47
fi
22:47* vagrantc wonders what kind of movie jammcq is watching that involves perusing code
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<jammcq>
heh
22:48
the Client
22:48
not Thin Client :)
22:48
<vagrantc>
heh
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