IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 15 August 2013 (all times are UTC)
| 00:06 | <bennabiy> Does anyone know where the actual call is that generates the client side pulseaudio --system <long list of parameters> comes from?
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| 00:07 | ubuntu 13.04
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| 00:10 | vagrantc: Do you know where the actual pulseaudio system call is to start the client side server?
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| 00:14 | <vagrantc> i don't use ubuntu
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| 00:16 | bennabiy: but it might call the start_sound function from <chroot>/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common
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| 00:16 | bennabiy: it uses a different init system from debian... no idea if it calls the /etc/init.d/ltsp-client* init scripts.
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| 00:17 | <bennabiy> I dug through the sound functions there, but did not see any reference to the system call, although I can look again. I am sure it is somewhat similar to the debian call
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| 00:18 | * bennabiy is getting closer to the bug... SQUISH! | |
| 00:18 | <vagrantc> looks like it does call start_sound from the upstart location
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| 00:18 | i think in /etc/init
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| 00:18 | <bennabiy> so ltsp-init-common would be the place where the arguments are added to the call?
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| 00:19 | where start_sound is?
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> the /etc/init/ltsp-client-core.conf upstart hook calls the start_sound function
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| 00:20 | <bennabiy> ok. I will check that next
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> which comes from ltsp-init-common
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| 00:20 | it should really be moved to udev...
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| 00:20 | <bennabiy> that is what I thought
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| 00:20 | I dug all through udev for it
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| 00:20 | <vagrantc> since there are usb sound devices
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| 00:21 | but that's not yet implemented
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| 00:21 | <bennabiy> bah, what do those developers think they are doing anyways? ;)
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| 00:21 | I really appreciate you help vagrantc.
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| 00:21 | <vagrantc> i needed to add
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| 00:22 | >
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| 00:22 | "> -L module-suspend-on-idle \"
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| 00:22 | er...
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| 00:22 | <bennabiy> wrong channel?
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| 00:22 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: there was a thread on ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net that fixed sound for me on debian wheezy
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| 00:22 | Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Debian 7 LTSP Pulseaudio possible fixes
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| 00:22 | <bennabiy> hrm... when was that?
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| 00:23 | is it on gmane?
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| 00:23 | <vagrantc> late june, my reply was late july
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| 00:23 | <bennabiy> I just posted to ltsp-discuss
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| 00:25 | <vagrantc> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2483/client/initscripts/ltsp-init-common
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| 00:26 | <bennabiy> I found the post, on ltsp-discuss
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| 00:26 | <vagrantc> sure. that's just a link to the code committed
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| 00:27 | <bennabiy> I see that. who is handling the ubuntu or mint dev?
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| 00:27 | Let me see if it works. I have Ford_Prefect waiting on some logs from me in the morning about the issue in #pulseaudio
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| 00:28 | I want to crash it in logs first, before I fix it... although I am sure I can break it and log it if I need
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| 00:29 | <vagrantc> no mint developers, as far as i know... there's not one line of code in upstream ltsp
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| 00:30 | handful of people in here who work on ubuntu
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| 00:34 | bennabiy: good luck
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| 00:34 | * vagrantc waves | |
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| 01:25 | * bennabiy rejoices! | |
| 01:25 | <bennabiy> I got it to work on a broken system!
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| 01:35 | <TheUser> hi
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| 01:36 | <bennabiy> Hello!
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| 01:36 | <TheUser> how does this work with rdp clients
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| 01:37 | ?
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| 01:41 | I dont need all the thin netbooting stuff
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| 01:43 | but i do need something that will work with the pile or cheap RDP clients i have
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| 01:45 | <bennabiy> What exactly are your RDP clients?
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| 01:45 | <TheUser> cheap little chinese things about the size of a cigarette pack
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| 01:47 | Work great with the virtualbox rdp stuff
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| 01:54 | <bennabiy> hmm, not sure what to tell ya
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| 02:02 | <TheUser> so this ltsp stuff is more about the etherboot part, or what?
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| 02:09 | <bennabiy> !ltsp
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| 02:09 | <ltsp> ltsp: LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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| 09:03 | <lifeboy> Question to the devs here: The Xsession that get's started from a chroot when a thin client boots, where are the config files for it? Are they the ones in the chroot or the ones in /etc/X11 on the server?
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| 09:06 | TheUser: Maybe you should look into X2Go. There you can connect to a Linux server using a number of clients and as far as I know, RDP is one of them
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| 09:07 | On the other hand, can you trash the RDP on this clients? Or ignore it? If you can pxe boot, then it will probably work fine with LTSP
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| 10:20 | <moldy> hi
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| 10:20 | ubuntu 12.04 ltsp-build-client: E: Unable to locate package language-support-de error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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| 10:20 | what's up here?
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| 10:26 | <moldy> ahh, i still have that in the configuration file...
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| 11:22 | <moldy> ``error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally``, but there is no previous error
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| 11:23 | ah, images directory missing, that could be it
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| 13:01 | * bennabiy rejoices! | |
| 13:02 | <bennabiy> My audio works!
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| 13:04 | <Nilo_> hello
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| 13:05 | good day
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| 13:05 | I'm having trouble keyboard and video stations, how do I fix? Even doing configuraçõe keyboard "ABNT2" and videio "1024X768" stations do not get these settings
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| 13:05 | could you help me?
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| 13:08 | <bennabiy> Does anyone know where I can document the bug and fix, and suggest code change to the ltsp-init-common
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| 13:13 | <Nilo_> hello, help me
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| 14:06 | <||cw> bennabiy: on launchpad I guess
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| 14:06 | !bugs
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| 14:06 | <ltsp`> I do not know about 'bugs', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bts', 'bug'
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| 14:06 | <||cw> !bug
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| 14:06 | <ltsp`> bug: To file a bug report for upstream LTSP, go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp
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| 14:36 | <other_other_joe> Does anyone happen to know where/how ldm styles the greeter?
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| 14:37 | I'm trying to figure out where it's calling to load logo.png specifically
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| 14:38 | is it compiled in?
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| 14:50 | <dead_inside> other_other_joe: try /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ubuntu/logo.png
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| 14:51 | <other_other_joe> ah yea,
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| 14:51 | that's where the file is
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| 14:51 | but I don't want it to pull the logo at all
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| 14:52 | thx though
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| 14:53 | cw, you were right btw. I've seen no adverse effects from just mounting the entire nfs:/home with all my users
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| 14:57 | <moldy> http://dpaste.com/1344352/
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| 14:57 | any idea?
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| 14:59 | <other_other_joe> Have a look at your logs
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| 14:59 | I believe it tells you more verbosely why it failed
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| 15:00 | <moldy> other_other_joe: which log? in syslog, i have no errors, just "creating dsa-hostkey" type messages
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| 15:14 | <other_other_joe> /var/log/ltsp-build-client.progress.log perhaps?
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| 15:14 | I don't recall honestly
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| 15:14 | I do remember having some build-client issues though and I believe I found the cause in a log
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| 15:18 | <moldy> other_other_joe: i have no /var/log/ltsp*
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| 15:20 | trying with --debug
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| 16:06 | <moldy> still errors without any useful error message :/
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| 16:12 | <moldy> is it possible that some old stuff in /usr/share/ltsp or so is causing this?
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| 16:37 | narf...
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| 16:48 | <moldy> any hints on how to debug that damn script are appreciated
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| 16:49 | <||cw> the brute force way is to have it write messages to a file in /tmp
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| 16:49 | <moldy> ||cw: you mean stdout/stderr?
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| 16:50 | <||cw> or just echo "x is $x" >> /tmp/debug.txt
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| 16:51 | <moldy> why doesn't the damn thing just abort immediately on error :-/
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| 16:59 | <Hyperbyte> moldy, does /var/lib/tftpboot/ or /srv/tftp exist?
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| 16:59 | Also, which distro/version is this on?
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| 17:08 | <moldy> Hyperbyte: ubuntu 12.04. both exist
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| 17:09 | the os was updated from 10.04, which didn't run smoothly
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| 17:09 | (the update, that is)
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| 17:10 | <||cw> I'm not sure I'd try that as an in-place update
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| 17:11 | <moldy> you mean i should reinstall?
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| 17:11 | hehe, it's supposed to be a "supported" update
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| 17:11 | <||cw> copy off the /home and rebuild the OS. or at least rebuild the ltsp config from scrtach
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| 17:12 | there's a lot of changes to ltsp between those, and it's note widely used enough for anyone to claim that it's a stable well supported in-lace upgrade
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| 17:12 | there's like'y 5-10 people world wide that do it.
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| 17:13 | <bennabiy> other_other_joe: You could just do a transparent png to not have the logo load.
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| 17:13 | 1px png
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| 17:14 | <moldy> ||cw: ltsp config = /etc/ltsp/* ?
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| 17:15 | i removed everything in /opt/ltsp/, /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp and /srv/tftp/ltsp
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| 17:16 | <||cw> sounds legit. I haven't tried that upgrade yet. dreading it, actually.
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| 17:30 | <moldy> after the distribution upgrade, i was missing some essential packages, but that was easy to figure out
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| 17:37 | a grep for "error" in the script's output finds nothing of interest
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| 17:47 | tried to just run ltsp-update-image and boot a client. seems to work at first, but my clients need a different kernel (no pae support)
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| 17:51 | <bennabiy> Hey vagrantc, I fixed my audio
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| 17:51 | it was the same thing you had to do
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| 17:51 | I issued a bug report, if someone who can commit the change can fix it
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| 17:53 | <moldy> stgraber: looking at 020-kernel-selection, it seems that ltsp prefers pae over non-pae (5.3.7-0ubuntu2) -- is that a bug?
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| 17:54 | <bennabiy> psalm127.1
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| 17:54 | I love when I mistype
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| 17:59 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: submitted a bug report where?
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| 18:05 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1212714
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| 18:07 | * vagrantc needs to file a bug in debian and get it fixed in wheezy | |
| 18:07 | <vagrantc> bennabiy: thanks!
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| 18:09 | bennabiy: in the future, submit patches using "diff -u old-file new-file"
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| 18:09 | but since it's already committed upstream, that shouldn't be an issue.
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| 18:09 | * bennabiy is only used to fixing my local system... the whole cvs thing still gets me | |
| 18:10 | <vagrantc> cvs? heh :)
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| 18:10 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: I will do that
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| 18:10 | I mean, upstream, downstream, whitewater etc ;)
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| 18:12 | <vagrantc> hopefully with ltsp6 we can just run the daemon as the user or something ... actually, might not be too terribly difficult too get ldm to do that now.
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| 18:12 | using localapps or something ... dunno
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| 18:34 | <moldy> hm, it seems that the client environment does basically work
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| 18:34 | maybe something is just returning non-zero here and confusing ltsp-build-client?
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| 18:38 | <bennabiy> I am not sure if the proper devs are in here for this, but this is an observation I had about the sound issue.
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| 18:41 | Once audacity clobbered the sound, even without adding the " -L module-suspend-on-idle \ " if on the client I manually killed the pulse session, and then made a simple bash script to reference ltsp-init-common and call start_sound it worked fine and audacity and vlc and whatever could all play together find
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| 18:41 | s/find/fine
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| 18:44 | It made me think that whenever the call is being made to start_sound during the login, the permissions are getting clobbered or something after it
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| 18:55 | <lifeboy> Anyone that has experience with Xsession errors when logging into LTSP? vagrantc? stgraber? sbalneav? sunweaver? Anyone else? Dunno if any of you have time to read the detail, but I have posted the details in http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg41373.html, but I'm totally stuck. All I can do is delete the user's profile and start again, but then I don't know what causes this. Don't want to really do
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| 18:55 | that since this is the second user this happens with.
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| 21:39 | <Random_> Hi. I'm trying to run ltsp-build-client on Centos 6.4 from behind an authenticated proxy but it can't connect to mirrorlist.centos.org.
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| 21:39 | Can someone please tell me how to tell ltsp-build-client to use my proxy?
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| 21:44 | <||cw> Random_: I don't know if there's a standard way to do that. you might have to ask whoever ported it to centos/yum
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| 21:44 | at my work we got tired of that crap and whitelisted the various OS update sites for things we want to update automatically
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| 21:45 | <dead_inside> Random_: when your in the chroot can you try executing the same commands you used on the server to connect it to the proxy?
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| 21:45 | <||cw> for deb based stuff, even went as far as install apt-cacher-ng so systems don't need the web proxy at all
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| 21:46 | dead_inside: ltsp-build-client is what creates the chroot
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| 21:46 | <dead_inside> can your server connect online? like the ltsp stuff aside
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| 21:46 | <Random_> Is there somewhere I can put an export http_proxy command in the chroot envornment?
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| 21:47 | I have http_proxy set in my environment, but it doesn't get used when the chroot happens.
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| 21:49 | <dead_inside> ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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| 21:49 | there appears to be a --http-proxy option
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| 21:49 | <vagrantc> Random_: are you using sudo? it may clean out "hazardous" environment variables
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| 21:50 | <Random_> Not in the version I am running.
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| 21:50 | Don't shoot me, but I'm logged in as root.
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| 21:50 | <vagrantc> --http-proxy only exists for Debian variants
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| 21:51 | <Random_> Bummer
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> it shouldn't be hard to implement...
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| 21:51 | but if it's not respecting your already set environment variable...
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| 21:51 | <Random_> Is there a config file that sets the environment for the chroot?
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| 21:51 | <vagrantc> there may be bugs in software ltsp-build-client is calling that cause the problem
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| 21:52 | Random_: you could create /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf and add: "export http_proxy=..."
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| 21:53 | that *should* work across all distros
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| 21:53 | but if it's not respecting the settings in your environment, then it's probably some tool that ltsp-build-client is calling that's not respecting it.
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| 21:55 | <Random_> Just tried that. No change.
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| 21:55 | I might just have to bypass the proxy and allow the server direct access to the Internet.
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| 23:14 | Success at last. I allowed the server through the firewall and now ltsp-build-client has completed. Thanks for all your help.
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| 23:59 | <bennabiy> vagrantc: quick question alittle offtopic of ltsp, but debian related
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