IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 10 July 2014   (all times are UTC)

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11:17
<groeg>
Hey!
11:19
Why is Unity-desktop not working with ltsp on Ubuntu 14.04?
11:20
<alkisg>
3d desktop environments don't really work on thin clients
11:20
You either need 2d environment like gnome-flashback, or ltsp fat clients
11:24
<groeg>
okay thanks!
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16:54
<Cyrius_>
Hello
16:55
would love some assistance.
16:58
<elias_a>
!ask
16:58
<ltsp`>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
16:59
<elias_a>
Cyrius_: You are most warmly welcome! Just ask your question. :)
16:59
<Cyrius_>
lol ok
16:59
So I have just set up a ltsp server, but my client isn't finding it (No boot filename received)
17:00
Is it possible the system is hitting the wrong dhcp server?
17:00
this is my first run with ltsp and I am proving it out as an option
17:01
<mmetzger>
If you are sharing a network where there's another dhcp server, absolutely it could be getting the other info. Can you tell which IP it's getting?
17:01
Note that doing this may also annoy the network admin as other clients could be getting the answer from your LTSP DHCP and not get configured correctly.
17:02
<Cyrius_>
I can't tell on the boot agent no
17:02
The systems should already have their dhcp leases for the day (mostly)
17:04
<mmetzger>
What kind of client are you using? The PXE boot usually shows at least some IP info that it's received.
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17:04
<elias_a>
Ummm... AFAIK only one dhcp server can exist in same subnet if you want it to work.
17:04
Cyrius_: Does your server have 1 or 2 NIC setup?
17:05
<Cyrius_>
this one is single NIC
17:06
is it possible to set the DHCP server to point to the other one for PXE boot?
17:06
<elias_a>
Cyrius_: And does the server get it's IP via DHCP?
17:06
<Cyrius_>
No, it doesn't
17:06
I have a static IP set
17:06
<elias_a>
Ok. And you're not controlling the DHCP?
17:07
<Cyrius_>
as in the actually DHCP? I just ran the ltsp setup on this one
17:07
I have access to our domain's dhcp server if that is what you mean
17:07
<elias_a>
No I mean the DHCP you said exist in the network.
17:08
Yep, that's what I meant.
17:08
The easiest way to get it to work is 2 nic setup.
17:09
in that way you also avoid possible problems with other users ,-)
17:09
<Cyrius_>
Its in a vm so that's easy enough
17:10
K, so I am imagining what you are going to say is have one of the NICs on a separate subnet?
17:10
<mmetzger>
yup
17:10
<Cyrius_>
that won't stop the clients from finding both DHCP though will it?
17:11
<elias_a>
Yes, because that's simple.
17:11
<mmetzger>
If you share the same physcial network, they can find each other.
17:11
<elias_a>
Cyrius_: Check this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=916107
17:11
<mmetzger>
It needs to be either separate physical network, or at least VLAN'd
17:11
<elias_a>
mmetzger: Does it, relly?
17:11
+a
17:12
<Cyrius_>
I am going to try that link
17:12
that sounds like exactly how to fix that scenario
17:13
<elias_a>
I don't see any reason for that if you are able to tell the client(s) the IP of the LTSP server.
17:13
Cyrius_: Please let us know about your progress.
17:13
<mmetzger>
elias_a: Depends on what you're asking overall. Taking LTSP out of the equation entirely, multiple DHCP servers do not work well in the same "network", meaning the same boardcast domain
17:13
<Cyrius_>
I will :) thanks for the assist
17:14
I don't actually need the dhcp if the existing windows server forwards the boot requests
17:14
I just know dhcp is required for a pxe boot
17:14
<raphr>
talking about dhcp relay ?
17:15
<mmetzger>
raphr: More like ProxyDHCP (or configuring existing DHCP w/ PXE boot info)
17:17
<Cyrius_>
Yeah, I am going to add the pxe boot info
17:17
this is the first pxe boot item on my network so it won't interfere with anything else
17:17
<elias_a>
mmetzger: I meant that LTSP can be tweaked to work without DHCP server in the same server, as already mentioned.
17:18
Those unlucky people whi are forced to use Windows AD use that as the DHCP server.
17:19
<raphr>
I use dhcp, but not crosoft one :)
17:20
and proxydhcp could do the trick. WS service install on proxydhcp if i remember
17:20
WDS
17:21
<mmetzger>
elias_a: Yeah - absolutely. I also prefer the 2-NIC setup you mentioned - makes things so much cleaner.
17:22
<Cyrius_>
so with the dual nic option and the thing pushing clients that way
17:23
would I use the address of the LTSP as the gateway?
17:24
<vagrantc>
for reference:
17:24
!proxydhcp
17:24
<ltsp`>
proxydhcp: A proxy DHCP server is defined by the PXE specification as a server which sends auxiliary boot information to clients, like the boot filename, tftp server or rootpath, but leaves the task of IP leasing to the normal DHCP server. More info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
17:24
<vagrantc>
Cyrius_: if they're thin clients, no need for a gateway
17:25
<elias_a>
mmetzger: I have a friend who is running LTSP in the network of a middle size town.
17:25
<vagrantc>
if they're fat clients, you'd need to set up routing or NAT or something to forward the traffic from the fat clients to the internet/intranet.
17:25
elias_a: that's interesting... are they on the LTSP world map?
17:25
!amp
17:25
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'amp', but I do know about these similar topics: 'lts.conf-example'
17:25
<vagrantc>
!map
17:25
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'map', but I do know about these similar topics: 'worldmap'
17:25
<vagrantc>
!worldmap
17:25
<ltsp`>
worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
17:26
<elias_a>
mmetzger: when someone calls helpdesk asking "what is my Ubuntu password" they know that HDD has failed. :)
17:27
<mmetzger>
elias_a: Heh - that took me a second - funny...
17:27
<elias_a>
The office rats may continue working with Ubuntu. no Windowss specific binaries of course...
17:27
vagrantc: Moment - I'll check that out.
17:29
vagrantc: No, it is not in the world map.
17:29
Have to do something about that after the vacation season.
17:30
vmlintu: you could also add your customers :)
17:30
vmlintu: Or at least tell how much userbase you have.
17:30
<Cyrius_>
If I can get this going
17:31
I plan on replacing like 120 systems
17:31
these are 'shop floor' computers and I don't want to spend 40-60 grand on new computers
17:31
especially ones that get used to log production and thats it!
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<elias_a>
Cyrius_: pls define "shop floor" - I do not understand.
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<elias_a>
Public computers for info purposes?
17:33
<Cyrius_>
No, in a manufacturing environment
17:34
semi public I suppose
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17:35
<elias_a>
Ok. So a certain set of sw to use mostly with browsers?
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<Cyrius_>
actually, the only requirement is to access our ERP system
17:50
which is accessed through a browser
17:50
sorry, was modifying my vm haha
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<elias_a>
:)
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19:31
<Cyrius>
Hello everyone
19:32* vagrantc waves
19:34* mmetzger is developing a morbid fascination with thin / fat client hardware...
19:46
<Cyrius>
So I got the boot to work
19:46
the addition of some scope options on my DHCP server did it
19:46
now there is some further stuff I have to figure out :-P
19:50
Are you dudes linux gurus in general?
19:54
<elias_a>
Nope. At least I'm not. Next question, please! :)
19:55
Cyrius: Good work!
19:56
<Cyrius>
I need to be able to join windows domain but all the resources I find link to a no longer available package haha
19:56
Do you have insight?
19:56
Next question, most immediately, would be how do I see the sessions that are connected?
19:57
<alkisg>
give this command in a terminal: w
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<Cyrius>
ummm
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23:46
<roasted>
hello friends
23:47
been forever since I used LTSP, but just wanted to say hi to the amazing devs. <3
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23:49* vagrantc waves
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<roasted>
ahh vagrantc. You spent many nights helping me. How are ya?