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Channel log from 19 August 2013   (all times are UTC)

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12:19
<matthias_>
i've got a problem with the configuration with dnsmasq/ltsp.conf. The DHCP Servers IP is 172.29.180.4 but the clients get the ip in the 172.29.181.xx range. But what do i have to type in under dhcp-range: (dhcp-range=172.29.181.49,proxy) is that right. my server has the ip .49
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14:11
<bennabiy>
I need to know the proper format of --apt-key on the ltsp-build-client command
14:11
What does it need for an argument?
14:12
I have basically updated the ltsp scripts and plugins to make native use of mint, but I am getting an invalid key
14:13
Release signed by unknown key
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<bennabiy>
Anyone here?
14:19
<Hyperbyte>
bennabiy, sure, there are lots of people here.
14:21
<bennabiy>
Hooray!
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14:25
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: do you know the proper formatting of ltsp-build-client with the --apt-key option?
14:29
I cannot figure out what I need to put as an argument
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: should be a full path to a gpg public keyring
14:41
i.e. /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
14:41
<bennabiy>
Thank you
14:42
<vagrantc>
although recent versions tend to put keys in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
14:45
bennabiy: how far have you gotten with mint?
14:46
<bennabiy>
Well, if I can figure out why it is not accepting the key, I am basically there
14:47
<vagrantc>
is it debootstrap or apt rejecting you key?
14:48
<bennabiy>
Because mint also uses ubuntu for security updates, which it references as the ubuntu codenames, I had to put a little extra config in place to set $DIST as the mint dist, and $UDIST as the ubuntu dist
14:48
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: does it work with --accept-unsigned-packages
14:48
<bennabiy>
I will try.
14:48
yes
14:48
<vagrantc>
so mint is really just some extra repositories for ubuntu?
14:48
<bennabiy>
yes
14:49
well, it got this far... I will pastebin
14:50
<vagrantc>
does mint typically do apt pinning to prefer mint packages?
14:52
<bennabiy>
I am going to check the logs
14:52
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2883494
14:54
I still need to debug the debootstrap
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<vagrantc>
ltsp pastebin not good enough for you? :p
14:58
using --base will stil break tftp booting for you other bases
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<bennabiy>
true...
14:59
dpkg-deb: error: error reading archive magic version number from file /opt/ltsp_new/mint/: Is a directory
14:59
chroot: failed to run command 'mount': No such file or directory
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that is the debootstrap.log
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: it seems like you'd actually need to debootstrap off of ubuntu mirrrors... doesn't have enough packes for a base system
15:00
<bennabiy>
hmmm
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: --chroot mint should be fine to avoid breakage with you other chroot
15:03
bennabiy: where did it get the mirror from?
15:03
<bennabiy>
packages.linuxmint.com
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<bennabiy>
Is it possible to tell debootstrap to pull from two mirrors?
15:05
with apt-pinning?
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It is a situation where the ubuntu references a lot of scripts from debian, but uses its own mirrors
15:07
<vagrantc>
no, debootstrap only supports one mirror
15:07
<bennabiy>
hmm.
15:07
<vagrantc>
multistrap supports more, but i've only crude experimental support for it
15:08
bennabiy: i would debootstrap a base ubuntu system and then add the mint mirrors
15:08
<bennabiy>
That is what I was thinking
15:08
<vagrantc>
most of it just seems like GUI stuff anyways
15:08
there's nothing LTSP specific
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<bennabiy>
Perhaps the biggest thing to change is just putting the olivia reference to hardy in debootstrap
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instead of making a mint specific entry
15:10
as well as the double reference to which ubuntu dist matches the mint dist
15:10
so you don't have to do --dist=
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<vagrantc>
the mint mirror layout is a good deal unconventional
15:22
<bennabiy>
Yes. I think I need to have it do the mint mirror, and then switch the mirrors for post install
15:23
<vagrantc>
what does a typical mint sources.list look like?
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<bennabiy>
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2883618
15:28
<vagrantc>
so it's just one repository with a few components... wonder if any of those are in the requires/base packages
15:29
<bennabiy>
Looking at them, other than the keyring, I think it is all desktop stuff
15:29
I could probably get away with just updating the plymouth, and the ldm
15:30* bennabiy shrugs...
15:30
<vagrantc>
which you can do after debootstrap
15:30
<bennabiy>
yes
15:31
<vagrantc>
heh. i could probably add support for building a mint client from debian...
15:32
<bennabiy>
http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2883629
15:32
here is the change I made in 000-basic-configuration to add DIST support for mint
15:32
adding a new variable UDIST
15:33
do you know if the --extra-mirror would do what I want to do of having it pull both mirrors?
15:34
010-manage-mirror checks for that and adds the extra mirror...
15:34
but would it add it early enough?
15:34
<vagrantc>
might be able to pull that off, yes
15:35
<bennabiy>
worth a shot...
15:35
<vagrantc>
it seems amost easier to add the mint distribution as an extra thing
15:35
<bennabiy>
yes
15:35
I think I am resigned to that...
15:36
I think the thing I want to avoid is having confusion when a typical user on mint hears wonderful things about ltsp, and then cannot just build a client without hacking the code
15:36
<vagrantc>
yes, that is great
15:37
thanks for working on it
15:37
<bennabiy>
I am actually heading up a project to set up mint labs all around the world in our various different communities, but want to be able to hand over administration to a little less technical people
15:37
if possible
15:38
<vagrantc>
i wonder if there's anything shipped with mint to give you the ubuntu-mint pairings
15:38
<bennabiy>
hmm. I know mint is recoded each release to update with ubuntu ( usually a month or so behind )
15:39
it might just be hard coded into it which release it matches
15:39
<vagrantc>
as a proof of concept, basically you can make a Mint dir in the plugins, symlink most of the stuff to Ubuntu's plugins, and maybe use you own basic-configuration, mirror-handling, and a couple others
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<bennabiy>
that is what I did
15:40
LinuxMint is the dir name
15:40
<vagrantc>
something to add mint's gg keys, mirrors...
15:40
<bennabiy>
I also had to add an entry in /usr/share/debootstrap referencing olivia to gutsy
15:40
<vagrantc>
should be feasible to add to upstream ltsp
15:41
<bennabiy>
as 010-debootstrap checks for that
15:41
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i think it would be simpler to build a raring chroot and add the mit stuff
15:41
mint
15:42
<bennabiy>
which gives us the ability to not have to --dist
15:42
<vagrantc>
you can write a plugin that detects the approprate dist
15:43
<bennabiy>
where should it come in?
15:43
I am guessing before 010-debootstrap
15:43
<vagrantc>
insteadof UDIST, do MINTDIST
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and set DIST based on MINTDIST
15:44
<bennabiy>
Good call
15:44
<vagrantc>
then more of the code will just work
15:45
<bennabiy>
Probably the same with components and MINTCOMPONENTS
15:45
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: is there a mint keyring in /usr/share/keyrings?
15:45
<bennabiy>
yes
15:45
linuxmint-keyring.gpg
15:45
I had to add it though
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<vagrantc>
so that should be easy to add in another plugin
15:45
?
15:46
it wasn't there by default?
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<bennabiy>
gah! I am getting mixed up... it was there... I was thinking of the mate keyring I needed for installing it on debian
15:46
for me, mint and mate go hand in hand
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<vagrantc>
dpkg -S linuxmint-keyring.gpg
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that should tell you which packages ships it
15:47
hopefully it's in a package
15:48
<bennabiy>
linuxmint-keyring: /usr/share/keyrings/linuxmint-keyring.gpg
15:48
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: i think i've got enough to go on to write up some plugins to get it working
15:49
bennabiy: based on what you've done
15:49
<bennabiy>
that is encouraging.
15:50
<vagrantc>
it'd be nice if linuxmint shipped a tool to tell what ubuntu release to use
15:50
er dist
15:51
<bennabiy>
yes
15:51
we could suggest it to the mint developers
15:51
<ogra_>
vagrantc, thats moot sinCe they suppress most important updates in mint
15:52
(like X or kernel ... are completely excluded from all upgrades)
15:52
(specifically all security upgrades)
15:53
so even if you know which ubuntu release it was based off, it wont be on par with the distro since bug and security fixes are at the state of ubuntu release day
15:53
<bennabiy>
It does help though for matching up the config scripts
15:54
<vagrantc>
ogra_: yeah, that weirded me out
15:54
<ogra_>
i never got why they do it
15:55
and nobody could tell me a valid reason ever
15:55
<vagrantc>
too afraid of something breaking
15:55
<ogra_>
yeah
15:55* ogra_ wouldnt do homabanking on mint
15:55
<ogra_>
(firefox is the ine exclusion list too !)
15:55
<vagrantc>
i understand why, i just don't agree it's a good idea
15:56
<ogra_>
-ine
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<bennabiy>
I guess that is why there are *nix flavors for everyone
15:57
<ogra_>
you mean mint is for the ones that like to have their homebanking data sniffed because of a missing firefox CVE fix ?
15:57
<bennabiy>
exactly!
15:58
<ogra_>
yeah, in that light there is a *nix flavour for everyone :)
16:01
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: It looks like we would want to branch the 001-set-dist into its own , rather than a debian reference, and could do the versioning there
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vagrantc: there are also three different mirror references, early normal and extra
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vagrantc: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/?diff=2883752
16:12
some changes to the initial 000-basic-configuration
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<bennabiy>
Well, off to lunch.
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<bennabiy>
back, somewhat
17:05
vagrantc: did you see the change I did to 000-basic-configuration?
18:16
It seems to have built fine with the changes I made...
18:16
Now it is just some cosmetics...
18:21
How do I specify the chroot I want to modify when I name it something other than the architecture?
18:21
do I use -b?
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: --arch just basically sts the chroot name
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<bennabiy>
I wondered if that was the case
18:36
and --base would change it from /opt/ltsp
18:37
so if I did ltsp-chroot --base=/tmp/dir --arch=mint then it would chroot to /tmp/dir/mint ?
18:38
vagrantc: Do you know where it pulls its file list for what to download? I am looking for the plymouth package
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<bennabiy>
question: what is the best way to address device mounting issues? If I plug in a thumbdrive at a client, usually the drive mounts to the proper owner / display etc, but if I plug something into the server, with someone logged into the server, it pops up on random desktops until it finally defaults to the one logged into the server
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