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Channel log from 16 November 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<FrozenZia>
alkisg_work: alright, back at work this morning, rebooted my client, got the busybox again, and gave the nbd-client command...
01:44
then exit,
01:45
(got the same response from the nbd-client command as before - unknown partition table)
01:46
<alkisg_work>
FrozenZia: ok, and? no other error messages?
01:46
It just hang there?
01:46
<FrozenZia>
and after the exit, get: aufs test_add:242:exe[318]: uid/gid/perm /rofs 0/0/0755, 0/0/01777
01:46
mount: mounting /rofs on /root/rofs failed: Invalid argument
01:47
<alkisg_work>
aufs?? I don't think we're using aufs...
01:47
Anyway, I think you should file a bug in launchpad with all that info
01:49
<FrozenZia>
What I find interesting, is that this same client, same server, but with a slightly different network setup, WORKED earlier.
01:51
It was just that with that setup I had both nics on the same subnet, and 2 dhcp servers on the same network, etc., etc... This current setup is I guess more *CORRECT*, but doesn't seem to be working.
01:57
<cyberorg>
that explains that there is no bug, just configuration mistake somewhere
02:07
<elias_a_>
FrozenZia: You seem to have caught the infection :)
02:07
FrozenZia: Have you at least been outdoors during the weekend? ;-)
02:16
<FrozenZia>
elias_a_: of course! A friend and my son went to have a smoke sauna on Saturday, and although the snow was a bit thin for rolling around, I did stand out in the yard and rub down with it, so I at least spent that much time outdoors!
02:17
cyberorg: I'd concur. I'm thinking my best option at this point may be to just "start from scratch"
02:24
<elias_a_>
FrozenZia: Good for you! I went sailing on Saturday :)
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04:13
<lupine_85>
possibly not an ltsp-specific problem - but I can't sem to get Xv working on my thin clients, getting: X11 error: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
04:19* lupine_85 reckons it's nouveau's fault
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<lupine_85>
or not, nouveau seems to have xv support fine
04:38
<FrozenZia>
after running apt-get dist-upgrade, I *do* need to run update-image and reboot terminals, right?
04:39
<lupine_85>
in the chroot? yes
04:39
(also, nouveau is indeed the issue. Xv works as long as xcompmgr is running)
04:45
<FrozenZia>
lupine_85: umm. I think not - I just did that as privileged user - didn
04:45
't do any chroot commands or anything before that.
04:46
<lupine_85>
then you've not touched the chroot in /opt/ltsp/<arch>/ so you don't need to do lts-update-image
04:46
although you should probably run a dist-upgrade in there too, and /then./ do an update-image
04:54
<FrozenZia>
I'm completely new at this, but when I got my 1st client working, I immediately went to try YouTube. It didn't work.
04:55
I went to my server, got the proper packages and stuff to get it work -- just using the privileged user again -- and after lts-update-image, all was good.
04:56
Is the proper method to do all updates, etc... in chroot?
04:56
...and if so, why did this other method work?
04:57
<lupine_85>
you need to install package updates in both the chroot and the main system
04:58
the chroot is minimal and contains basically no programs - it just gets the thin clients up and able to run programs (like firefox) from the main system
04:58
any changes you make to the main system are immediately visible to the clients. if you change the chroot, you have to run ltsp-update-image and reboot the clients before they'll see it
04:58
generally, that's not something you have to do much of, unless you're using local apps
04:59
<FrozenZia>
So if I want all terms to be able to use Thunderbird, I don't have to install it in the chroot, just the main system?
05:06
<lupine_85>
that's right
05:07
and after installing it on the main system, you don't have to run ltsp-update-image
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<elias_a_>
Yep - Even the "your battery seems to be almost dead" -nofications are visible to clients when I'm running clients on a laptop server :)
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<tarzeau>
hello
07:47
does anyone run ltsp clients on squeeze already?
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<toddobryan>
Help! Clients that were working on Friday suddenly aren't this morning.
07:52
The student logs in, it looks like it's going to work, then it goes back to the login screen.
07:52
I thought the problem was this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/463369
07:53
But changing the compiz script doesn't solve it. (Plus, I don't have an ati graphics card in the clients.)
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<alkisg>
toddobryan: look at ~/.xsession-errors
08:03
<toddobryan>
Actually, I just tried logging in on a client and the .xsession-errors file is empty.
08:03
(But it didn't work.)
08:04
<alkisg>
Try to put SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm, to see the ldm logs locally
08:04
(in lts.conf)
08:05
<toddobryan>
Where exactly is lts.conf?
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<alkisg>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:05
If it doesn't exist, create one, with the following contents:
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[Default]
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SCREEN_02=shell
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SCREEN_07=ldm
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and reboot the client, and switch to the console with alt+ctrl+f2
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and see /var/log/ldm.log...
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<toddobryan>
Rebooting now...
08:12
OK. It says XSession beginning...
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Then XSession ending...
08:13
<alkisg>
Does the server have a monitor? Are you able to login locally there?
08:13
<toddobryan>
Yep.
08:13
And it works fine for users there.
08:14
It says the processes exit with status 0, which is no errors, right?
08:14
<alkisg>
Yeah...
08:15
<toddobryan>
And, as I said, they worked fine on Friday, so it has to have been an update since then.
08:15
<alkisg>
Hmmm want to try XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf, to see if it makes any difference?
08:15
<toddobryan>
I guess I could reinstall the original server CD and not update it.
08:15
Yeah, I'll try that.
08:16
Rebooting again...
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<toddobryan>
Sorry. My classes just changed, so I'm dealing with getting the next class doing something.
08:29
<johnny>
alkisg, we should do a poll somehow
08:29
find out how many people who use ltsp also need/want an lts.conf
08:29
<alkisg>
toddobryan: Take your take, don't worry :)
08:29
<johnny>
to see if we should put one in there by default
08:29
<alkisg>
johnny: all? :D
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<johnny>
well.. it's truly hard to measure..
08:29
<alkisg>
I don't know anyone that uses ltsp for more than 1 month and doesn't want an lts.conf...
08:30
<johnny>
then.. we should really put on in htere by default, especially on ubuntu..
08:30
<alkisg>
First of all, most of the people put LDM_DIRECTX=True there
08:30
Yes, we should - even if only a commented example, like dnsmasq.conf
08:30
But it shouldn't be a conffile, because it would be problematic on upgrades
08:31
The postinst script should just create an lts.conf if one doesn't exist already
08:32
<toddobryan>
OK. With XSERVER=vesa, it doesn't work at all.
08:32
<alkisg>
Heh :)
08:32
<toddobryan>
I just get a blinking white line instead of the login screen.
08:33
<alkisg>
OK, remove it then. Weird though, I haven't yet seen any client that breaks with vesa graphics...
08:33
Try to ask again later on, when (more of) the devs will be here, or file a bug in launchpad... :-/
08:37
<johnny>
/me whines about nvidia again
08:37
uggh.. it sucks to have to use non free drivers :(
08:37
<toddobryan>
I think I've got Cirrus...
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<alkisg>
Woah the ancient one?
08:38
I think I tried a cirrus 5446 or something last year, it worked slow but OK otherwise...
08:38
<toddobryan>
It's a Via cpu with onboard graphics...
08:38
I had to add something to the blacklist with 9.04...
08:39
OK. I think I'm going to re-install from the CD, just so my classes can happen today.
08:40
<alkisg>
Well, if you have a partition to spare, use a different partition
08:41* alkisg always keeps an older, working installation, for such problems that bring down the whole lab...
08:43
<Appiah>
backup? :)
08:45
<toddobryan>
alkisg: How do you do that?
08:45
I've got "/" and "/home" on separate partitions, but how would I set up two partitions that it could boot from?
08:45
<alkisg>
sda1 = /
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(e.g. jaunty)
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<johnny>
/ is relative..
08:46
<alkisg>
sda2 = / (karmic)
08:46
sda3 = home
08:46
sda4 = backup or swap...
08:46
<toddobryan>
Then how do you choose which one to boot from?
08:46
<alkisg>
So when Karmic comes out, I install to sda2 instead of upgrading jaunty
08:46
From grub
08:46
<toddobryan>
Oh, of course.
08:46
Duh!
08:47
<alkisg>
This way I can see if Karmic is ready for my lab, and if it breaks, I can switch to my old installation in 1 sec
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<toddobryan>
I never use grub, because I only have one / partition.
08:47
<johnny>
i personally use vm for that
08:47
yes you do
08:47
you must use a bootloader
08:47
either grub or lilo
08:47
<toddobryan>
Well, I mean I never change grub. I just let it go by...
08:47
<johnny>
if you install ubuntu you get grub
08:47
yeah.. you would just pick a different one from the menu
08:48
<toddobryan>
I actually put /boot on its own partition, because / is on a RAID.
08:48
Would I need separate /boots, too?
08:48
<alkisg>
Well you can have almost any number of partitions... so no problem there
08:48
<johnny>
no
08:48
<alkisg>
No no one /boot is enough
08:49
<johnny>
your boot would just need to be big enough
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<toddobryan>
OK. Now to figure out what I'm doing for the next hour.
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<toddobryan>
Thanks! I'll be back...
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<johnny>
is the linkedin group for ltsp meant for tech support?
09:05
i didn't think it was
09:05
but iwant to make sure
09:06
<dtrask>
Not much help on #ubuntu....asking here just in case anyone can help. My issue: Users and Groups has 3 users...student...teacher...and netbook (the admin user). I launch...unlock and proceed to change the "student" password. Everything appears to work....yet the student password never gets changed. Any ideas on what to look for?
09:06
any logs or files to look at?
09:06
I'm at a loss here
09:06
<johnny>
dtrask, does it work if you do passwd manually?
09:06
without the gui
09:06
<dtrask>
johnny: yes....that's what's stumping me
09:06
<johnny>
if so.. you found a bug
09:07
probably some policykit issue then
09:07
nothing we can do here
09:08
<alkisg>
dtrask: users-admin is very sensitive to the passwd formatting
09:08
<johnny>
alkisg, what does that mean?
09:08
<alkisg>
E.g. if you have a blank password, and mark it with a * instead of !, then it fails to create new users
09:08
To see the problem, run users-admin from a terminal. This way you'll be able to see the users-admin debug output
09:09
<johnny>
mark it with a *?
09:09
i had problems creating a user myself..
09:09
<dtrask>
ooooh.....would it be sensitive to "toughness" of password?
09:09
<johnny>
dtrask, shouldn't be any more senstive to toughness than passwd..
09:09
<dtrask>
aka "strength"?
09:09
<johnny>
otherwise that sounds like a bug
09:09
<alkisg>
I've seen a lot of things that users-admin doesn't like in /etc/passwd, but no, password strength isn't one of them
09:09
Weird chars, empty lines etc
09:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning all :)
09:10
<alkisg>
Run it from the console, do what you do, and post what it tells you to pastebot
09:11
Hi _UsUrPeR_
09:12
"(05:06:50 μμ) alkisg: dtrask: users-admin is very sensitive to the passwd formatting" ==> I meant the /etc/passwd file there, not the password itself
09:12
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
!s
09:13
<alkisg>
Hi sbalneav
09:13
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:13
<alkisg>
!karma sbalneav
09:13
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Karma for "sbalneav" has been increased 8 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8.
09:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: karma?
09:13
<alkisg>
Well... ask the bot maintainer :D
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09:14
<dtrask>
alkisg: aahhhh
09:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
!karma CAN-o-SPAM
09:14
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: CAN-o-SPAM has neutral karma.
09:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
!karma _UsUrPeR_
09:14
<CAN-o-SPAM>
boo! :(
09:14
<ltspbot>
_UsUrPeR_: _UsUrPeR_ has neutral karma.
09:14
<alkisg>
!_UsUrPeR_++
09:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
wtf :)
09:14
<alkisg>
!karma _UsUrPeR_
09:14
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Karma for "_UsUrPeR_" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
09:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O
09:14
<sbalneav>
_UsUrPeR_: no one's ever ++'d you
09:15
<alkisg>
!_UsUrPeR_--
09:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
:O
09:15
<alkisg>
!karma _UsUrPeR_
09:15
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Karma for "_UsUrPeR_" has been increased 1 time and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 0.
09:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh man, you're screwing up my chi
09:15
<alkisg>
Heh - I just put things where I found them :D
09:15
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, but now I have 50% bad feedback. I don't buy from people like that on Ebay :(
09:16
<sbalneav>
Yeah, it's a tough life.
09:16* _UsUrPeR_ will be reincarnated as a snail
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<alkisg>
!alkisg--
09:17
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
09:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
!alkisg--
09:17
<alkisg>
!karma alkisg
09:17
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Karma for "alkisg" has been increased 1 time and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -1.
09:17
<alkisg>
;)
09:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
It's a karma war
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<alkisg>
Hey!!! Who decreased me the second time?
09:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
haha oh wow. Karma ninja? :)
09:18
<sbalneav>
Geez, if people are gonna be little kids with this, I'm gonna freakin take it off.
09:19
<CAN-o-SPAM>
don't make sbalneav take snack time and extra recess away, everyone relax :)
09:19
<alkisg>
Well, we can't ever get to the first place, so why bother with karma at all? :D
09:20
!karma jammcq
09:20
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Karma for "jammcq" has been increased 8192 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 8192.
09:20
<alkisg>
See? :)
09:20
<sbalneav>
Because I caught some moron --'ing jammcq
09:20
and I won't stand for that.
09:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
wait what?
09:21
probably the same guy who hit ltsp.org
09:21
<johnny>
/me doesn't see exactly what the benefit of karma is anyways
09:22
<sbalneav>
I had kind of hoped it would be a way for people who received help from members in the channel to give them a "thabnk you"
09:23
<johnny>
i don't think people will do that anyways
09:23
not unless it is built into the interface
09:23
which is something i'd like to do
09:23
<alkisg>
Hmmm you should have named it "beer" or "lobster" then... e.g. /beer alkisg, /lobster sbalneav... ;)
09:23
<johnny>
too bad freenode doesn't really use xmpp :(
09:24
major difference with nouveau performance and nvidia 173xx driver performance
09:25
scrolling a page in firefox would spike the cpu with nouveau
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for as long as i was scrolling that is
09:26
there's a tiny spike when i start.. but it goes back to normal right away
09:26
<alkisg>
At least the nouveau drivers have xv... while the nv drivers don't
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<coordinador>
Hi, i dont have sound, the last week i killed the sound volume applet because it used too much cpu and now i dont have sound (in server)
09:35
in terminals i have sound
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<sbalneav>
coordinador: not unusual.
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<sbalneav>
sometimes the sound setup for a user can get mucked up if they've logged in on a thin client, then log in on the console.
09:39
My advice: don't log in on the console.
09:40
leave the console alone, if the teacher needs to log in, give THEM a thin client.
09:40
<coordinador>
the console you mean the server, right?
09:40
<sbalneav>
right.
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<coordinador>
the problem is that for some reason the terminals have a "conflict" with the vga multiplexer, and it doesnt turn on :S
09:41
*power on
09:41
so, i bought a usb audio adapter for the server
09:41
<kbelecke>
hello i have a problem with configure my ltsp/dhcp.conf maybe someone can help me. i have 2 network cards inside my server eth1 for internet connected to my router on 192.168.0.1 netmask 225.225.225.0 and eth0 for my clients with the static ip 192.168.3.1 and netmask 255.255.255.224 now i dont now how to configure my dhcpd.conf. here my config on nopaste: http://nopaste.info/29d11d47e9.html i hope someone can help me :)
09:41
<sbalneav>
what vga multiplexer?
09:43
<coordinador>
sbalneav, omg! it worked! :S i entered to alsamixer and despite the volume was to 100% the Mute was active :S i dont know why, but, well... i will reboot and see if it worked forever
09:43
thank you for your advice anyway, i will keep in mind at the other servers
09:44
i will reboot now, thank you again, bye
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<_UsUrPeR_>
kbelecke: Looking at your dhcpd.conf
09:45
kbelecke: The subnet and range have to reflect your eth0 IP address (i.e. 192.168.3.xxx)
09:45
<alkisg>
kbelecke: any particular reason for using 255.255.255.225 for the clients, instead of 255.255.255.0 ?
09:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
woop. nm, I see what you did there
09:46
<kbelecke>
alkisg: no
09:46
<alkisg>
Well then just change it back to 255.255.255.0, and change all occurances of 192.168.0 to 192.168.3, and comment out next-server
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<alkisg>
Then sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart, and you should be ready.
09:47
<kbelecke>
alkisg: 255.255.255.0 is the netmask for eth1 is there no problem to use it for the clients too?
09:48
because the clients are on eth0
09:48
<alkisg>
kbelecke: no, they're on a different subnet
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<jammcq>
bom dia meu amigos
09:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
jammcq: morning
09:50
<jammcq>
hey _UsUrPeR_
09:50
<kbelecke>
alkisg: ok the dhcp server is starting without a failure. thx for help i want to report when the first client is running :)
09:51
<alkisg>
ok, np :)
09:51
<kbelecke>
thy _UsUrPeR_
09:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
kbelecke: :) gl dude
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<FrozenZia>
oh, yeah, btw, now I wish I'd somehow copied all my configuration files beforehand, but after a re-install of edubuntu 9.10 with my network cables correctly set up, etc... My client is booting up just fine, and all seems to be working!
09:53
So thanks to alkisg and all who tried to help me before.
09:53
<alkisg>
FrozenZia: well at least now you have a more "correct" setup ;)
09:58
<toddobryan>
OK, I'm about to wipe out my current setup and revert to see if a problem will go away. Do I just need copies of /etc/shadow, /etc/passwd, /etc/group, and /etc/gshadow to be able to restore all the users?
09:59
<alkisg>
You'll reinstall? Then AFAIK you can't just copy those files over the new ones, because many system users and groups don't have a fixed uid/gid.
10:00
<toddobryan>
OK. I suppose I can just grab the user accounts and leave the system accounts alone.
10:00
I don't want to recreate 150 student accounts.
10:02
<alkisg>
I've made a pygtk app to backup and restore users (and export/import from .csv), but unfortunately it's in greek.. :-/ http://users.sch.gr/alkisg/tosteki/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2181.0;attach=1091;image
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<alkisg>
You could blindly click the menus though, if you want :)
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<johnny>
i am just too good at megaman2
10:16
that game set the standard for videogame music imo
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<kbelecke>
alkisg: when i want to start my testclient i get this message: Waiting for /dev to be fully populated .. [ 12.0894411] hdd: drive not ready for command <-- some ideas?
10:30
oh sorry it works i only have to wait a few times
10:30
:)
10:30
<alkisg>
:)
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<kbelecke>
alkisg: thank you again im so lucky xD it works xD :)
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<sbalneav>
win 3
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<squarepeg>
?
11:13
oprah win 3?
11:14
<sbalneav>
nah, forgot to put the / in front
11:14
for me in irssi, ltsp is win 2 edubuntu is win 3
11:15
<jammcq>
I just use Alt-1, Alt-2, Alt-3 to move between the windows
11:15
in irssi
11:17
<FrozenZia>
alright - please allow me to ask another rtfm question, and please feel free to point me in the direction of said "m"...
11:17
what is the proper way to be sure the chroot has all the latest sw-updates?
11:18
(hopefully that question was at least framed correctly)
11:22
<johnny>
you don't really have to do it
11:22
<sbalneav>
jammcq: yeah, that works, if you only have one tab open in gnome terminal
11:22
<johnny>
FrozenZia, i wouldn't be concerned
11:22
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
11:22
<sbalneav>
unfortunately, I also have multiple tabs in gnome-term
11:22
<johnny>
unless you really need it..
11:22
<sbalneav>
and unless you rework you keybindings, that changes your tabs
11:22
and I'm too lazy :)
11:23
jammcq: Hey, how do I dump a copy of the upstream docs up on the wiki now?
11:23
they're a pdf
11:23
<FrozenZia>
alkisg: tx - that's what I was looking at, but it seemed too complicated - I figured surely there's an easier way with 9.10
11:24
<jammcq>
sbalneav: how many pdf files?
11:26
<sbalneav>
Just one, but I update it about once a month
11:27
<jammcq>
there's a "Upload File" link on Mediawiki
11:28
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
11:28
I'll do it that way.
11:30
<johnny>
you don't really have to do it FrozenZia
11:30
unless you're doing local apps
11:40
<dro>
jammcq: ltsp.org looking good on sourceforge :P
11:42
jammcq: however a lot of the links under documentation don't work
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<jammcq>
dro: yep
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<jammcq>
every day, I try to clean up some of them
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<sbalneav>
jammcq:
11:45
Upload file
11:45
From ltsp
11:45
Jump to: navigation, search
11:45
Upload warning
11:46
".pdf" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are png, gif, jpg, jpeg, svg.
11:46
<jammcq>
hmm
11:46
maybe there's a way to embed a pdf on a page
11:46
<dro>
jammcq: you are the man, ty
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: hey, I think your PDF files are supposed to go through the SF File release system (FRS)
12:00
upload to that, then you should be able to include a link in the Documentation page, pointing to the uploaded file
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: Not sure where that is...
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: you need a "sourceforge" account
13:06
and then I need to attach that account to LTSP
13:06
and then grant you admin rights
13:06
and then you can upload files to the FRS
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<sbalneav>
ok, I have an account, sbalneav
13:07
<jammcq>
ok, now I need to make you a "release tech"
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ok, you have full powers
13:08
use them wisely
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<shawnp0wers>
Hello all -- I have an interesting problem, that may be a bug...
13:28
I'm running LTSP5 in Ubuntu 9.10
13:28
And when just "double-clicking" on a file which is mapped to a localapp
13:28
for some reason files with spaces dont' work
13:28
ie, if the file name is "The Video.ogv"
13:29
double clicking forces gnome-mplayer (my local app) to try to open /home/user/Video.ogv
13:29
I'm assuming it's an escaped space problem, but dunno where to begin to look...
13:30* sbalneav shakes fist at spaces in file names.
13:30
<Gadi>
shawnp0wers: I kinda doubt it is trying to open your localapp
13:30
unless you associated it with your local app
13:30
<shawnp0wers>
I removed totem
13:31
and don't have gnome-mplayer installed on the server, only in the chroot
13:31
so I'm pretty sure it's running the localapp
13:31
;)
13:31
<Gadi>
and it actually launches gnome-mplayer?
13:31
<shawnp0wers>
yes
13:31
<Gadi>
weird
13:31
<shawnp0wers>
only if I remove totem though
13:31
which iswhat I was hoping for...
13:32
<Gadi>
well, ltsp-localapps (in /usr/bin) only accepts a single argument
13:32
<shawnp0wers>
hmm...
13:32
<Gadi>
if you like, you can try changing the $1 to "$@"
13:32
<shawnp0wers>
where would I do that?
13:33
<Gadi>
it is a simple shell script
13:33
cp /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps.orig
13:33
vi /usr/bin/ltsp-localapps
13:33
<shawnp0wers>
OH, gotcha
13:33
<Gadi>
that executable was originally intended to be an *example* ;)
13:34
<shawnp0wers>
nope, same thing
13:34
any way to put a ' in there maybe
13:34
I can play around a bit
13:35
Gadi: xprop is a bit over my head, what exactly is the "$*" doing at the end there?
13:36
actually, I sadly have no idea what that script does... lol
13:36
<Gadi>
hehe
13:36
so, here's the deal
13:36
<shawnp0wers>
THere must be some way to encase the $1 argument in quotes though
13:36
<Gadi>
we tell the local app to launch by setting an xatom with xprop
13:36
<shawnp0wers>
(it is just one file, but it has spaces)
13:37
<Gadi>
which is just an arbitrary field in the Xclient
13:37
<shawnp0wers>
can an xprop have spaces?
13:37
<Gadi>
then, ltsp-localappsd on the client reads it
13:37
and executes the contents of the field
13:37
lemme look at the code
13:38
ah, there ya go
13:38
so, ltsp-localapps will set, for example:
13:39
LTSP_COMMAND="gnome-mplayer My Movie.ogv"
13:39
<shawnp0wers>
I see
13:39
<Gadi>
and ltsp-localappsd will try to execute:
13:39
gnome-mplayer My Movie.ogv
13:39
no good
13:39
<shawnp0wers>
which runs gnome-mplayer, happily playing BOTH movie files
13:39
one of which isn't a file
13:39
and the other one which isn't named right
13:39
<Gadi>
right
13:39
<shawnp0wers>
:)
13:40
any simple fixes?
13:40
I mean, single quotes come to mind.... but I'm not sure how to set them
13:41
<Gadi>
hmm...
13:41
<shawnp0wers>
(lol! Yes, in fact gnome-mplayer created a very nice, completely useless playlist...)
13:43
On a side note, it's very cool that ubuntu automatically chooses ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer as the default media player when totem is removed.
13:44
<Gadi>
try this:
13:44
actually, one sec
13:44
Ill post something
13:44
<shawnp0wers>
awesome!
13:47
Gadi: Just to clarify, will you send me a link as to where you post it? ;)
13:48
<Gadi>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/320228/
13:48
try that
13:48
for ltsp-localapps
13:51
http://paste.ubuntu.com/320234/
13:51
<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: hmm...
13:52
update?
13:52
<Gadi>
that one's a bit better
13:52
<shawnp0wers>
heheh, ok, last one didn't work -- trying new one now
13:55
<Gadi>
anything?
13:55
<shawnp0wers>
no -- trying to figure if it's somethign I messed up or not...
13:56
ok, no -- for some reason it does nothing
13:57
no error messages, but nothing starts
13:57
<Gadi>
can you try running from a terminal window?
13:57
<shawnp0wers>
I did
13:57
<Gadi>
ah
13:57
<shawnp0wers>
put it in quotes...
13:57
the file name
13:57
full path
13:57
<Gadi>
what if you just do: ltsp-localapps gnome-mplayer
13:57
<shawnp0wers>
but it won't even work with other files now
13:57
hang on, good idea
13:57
;)
13:58
with no arguements, the program does start
13:59
<Gadi>
did you just download the file from the paste?
13:59
<shawnp0wers>
no, copy pasted
13:59
I can try to download it... in case I got odd characters I suppose
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<shawnp0wers>
nope, no dice...
14:00
file is executable, etc
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and again, without arguements it starts the program
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<Gadi>
ah
14:01
it does
14:01
good
14:01
sorry - misread that does part
14:01
:)
14:01
<shawnp0wers>
oh. :)
14:01
<Gadi>
ok, well thats good - in a way
14:01
one sec...
14:04
shawnp0wers: can you enable remote logging of syslog
14:04
?
14:04
<shawnp0wers>
hmm... not without a bit of googling
14:04
:D
14:04
<Gadi>
hehe
14:04
ls /etc/default /*syslog*
14:05
actually
14:05
vi /etc/default/syslogd
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and add a "-r" to the options
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and then, restart the syslog service
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<shawnp0wers>
hmm... no such file
14:08
ok done
14:08
:)
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(had to install syslogd)
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<Gadi>
ah
14:08
hmmm
14:08
ok
14:08
well, hopefully thats all safe and such
14:08
:)
14:09
tail /var/log/syslog
14:09
or tail -f
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and try to run a localapp
14:09
it should report stuff to syslog
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<shawnp0wers>
hmm... no. Do I need to point my thin client environment to the syslogd server?
14:11
<Gadi>
you may need to reboot it
14:11
the thin client, that is
14:13
<shawnp0wers>
sadly, even on reboot I get nothing from localapps
14:13
I see the nbd_server connection, but nothing from the client
14:13
(ie, during bootup)
14:14
<Gadi>
if syslogd is running and accepting remote connections, you would get much more than that
14:16
shawnp0wers: do you have an /etc/default/rsyslog?
14:16
<shawnp0wers>
no
14:16
I modified the /etc/init.d/sysklogd directly
14:16
with the -r flag
14:16
lemme restart thin client again
14:17
<Gadi>
wait
14:17
<shawnp0wers>
(yes, i restarted teh syslog process)
14:17
<Gadi>
ah
14:17
<shawnp0wers>
ok
14:17
<Gadi>
ok
14:17
hehe
14:17
and you have no rsyslog process?
14:17
<shawnp0wers>
nope
14:17
<Gadi>
ps -efw|grep rsyslog
14:17
<shawnp0wers>
ok, installing it
14:17
<Gadi>
on the server
14:17
<shawnp0wers>
I had wrong syslog installed
14:18
:D
14:18
<Gadi>
weird - I thought that was default in 9.10
14:21
<shawnp0wers>
grr... I still get nothing
14:21
and rsyslogd is running now
14:21
:)
14:21
thin client rebooted
14:22
I still only get nbd_server messages, and tftpd messages
14:22
<Gadi>
and you added a -r in /etc/default/rsyslog
14:22
<shawnp0wers>
yep
14:22
<Gadi>
hmm...
14:22
<shawnp0wers>
wait no
14:22
<Gadi>
ok
14:22
<shawnp0wers>
I dont' have /etc/default/rsyslog
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<Gadi>
ok, well lets forget the logging for now, then.
14:25
I am looking at ltsp-localappsd on the client side, and there is some ugliness there
14:25
that is gonna kill us
14:25
<shawnp0wers>
ahh
14:25
<Gadi>
lets do this:
14:25
run: ltsp-localapps xterm
14:26
<shawnp0wers>
ok
14:26
<Gadi>
now, in the xterm, vi /usr/sbin/ltsp-localappsd
14:27
<shawnp0wers>
the file doesn't exist...
14:27
<Gadi>
hmm... try /usr/bin/ltsp-localaapsd
14:27
er, /usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
14:27
<shawnp0wers>
ok, got it. :)
14:27
<Gadi>
damn ps
14:27
<shawnp0wers>
read only though...
14:28
<Gadi>
oh yeah
14:28
<shawnp0wers>
:)
14:28
<Gadi>
sigh
14:28
<shawnp0wers>
I can rebuild the client
14:28
should I edit this in chroot?
14:28
<Gadi>
do you have root access to the client?
14:28
<shawnp0wers>
probably not
14:28
<Gadi>
ah
14:28
ok, do this:
14:28
<shawnp0wers>
I havne't set that up anyway, I'm assuming otu of the box the chroot env has no root enabled
14:29
<Gadi>
in lts.conf, add: SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm
14:29
and reboot the client
14:29
then, you can switch to crtl-alt-f2 at least for root access
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<shawnp0wers>
ok -- but is root enabled by default?
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<shawnp0wers>
I nkow in LTSP4.2 it is...
14:30
<msaul_>
Was wondering if alkisg was there...
14:30
<Gadi>
shell will drop you to a shell as root
14:31
<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: Ok, you're right. I'm root. :)
14:31
I'll just be editing the NBD image though, not anything permanent -- right?
14:31
<Gadi>
right
14:31
its a fun way to play
14:31
<shawnp0wers>
gotcha
14:31
:)
14:32* shawnp0wers wishes he'd have installed vim in chroot...
14:32
<shawnp0wers>
;)
14:32
<Gadi>
not a vi guy, eh?
14:32
<alkisg>
msaul_: pong?
14:32
<shawnp0wers>
I like the pretty colors and arrow keys. :)
14:32
<msaul_>
Hi, we were chatting on weekend, and the ltsp-localapps works well from xterm...
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<Gadi>
shawnp0wers: give me a sec, I may be able to check somethings over here and spare us some time
14:33
<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: I have ltsp-localappsd open, so whenever you want me to tweak, lemme know.
14:33
ok
14:33
cool
14:33
<msaul_>
Was wondering about a couple of questions alkisg
14:34
<rjune>
shawnp0wers, hjkl was good enough for the authors, they should be good enough for you. :-)
14:34
<alkisg>
msaul_: sure, but it'll be better if you asked in the channel and not specifically me - I'm just a user; the ltsp devs here surely know better :) I help where I can, but I'm no expert....
14:34
<shawnp0wers>
rjune: I'll take that in stride -- but the first emacs person to give me a hard time will get SUCH A PINCH. :)
14:34
<rjune>
LOL
14:35
emacs is the worst OS ever written. LISP was never meant for an Operating System
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<msaul_>
sure, will do. I'll just get notes, then ask the question to all...
14:35
<sbalneav>
rjune: no no no
14:36
you're telling the joke wrong
14:36
It's:
14:36
"EMACS is a GREAT operating system. Now all it needs is a decent editor!"
14:36
<rjune>
LOL
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<shawnp0wers>
hehehehehe
14:37
<msaul_>
Just asking a *silly* question: #1 - When using ltsp-localapps, the thin client does NOT require a hard drive - correct?
14:37
<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: correct
14:37
<msaul_>
Not as silly question #2: Do I use XDG-menu to setup the menu to run local apps instead of opening up xterm in chroot and running it...
14:38
<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: LTSP manages the menu automagically
14:38
it's creepy
14:38
at least in Ubuntu
14:39
<msaul_>
When I run xterm, then do procedure to install app, then exit chroot and ltsp-update-image, when I run app in menu, it is running from the network (going slow). I don't get impression that menu automatically runs via ltsp-localapps
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<johnny>
jyou have to do an lts.conf var
14:40
LOCAL_APPS_MENU=T or something
14:40
<shawnp0wers>
yes, what johnny said. :)
14:40
<msaul_>
When I run xterm in chroot, app runs just fine
14:40
I did that already...
14:40
It was in the lts.conf file...
14:40
<shawnp0wers>
you can test it by uninstalling the application on the server
14:40
OH, you need to add the app too
14:40
my file:
14:40
LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
14:40
LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=firefox,gnome-mplayer,mplayer,tuxpaint,tuxmath,vlc,frozen-bubble
14:41
<johnny>
shawnp0wers, it should automatically detectthem
14:41
i don'tthink you need to specify them
14:41
<shawnp0wers>
I've never had it auto-detect
14:41
<johnny>
also LOCAL_APPS=T
14:41
that's what i heard.. never yet used them
14:41
<msaul_>
That is probably what is wrong, I will update that... and give it a try...
14:41
<johnny>
unless that is there by default
14:41
Gadi, ?
14:41
<shawnp0wers>
well, it works as written. :D
14:42
even if not correct. lol
14:42
<Gadi>
LOCAL_APPS is true by default
14:42
LOCAL_APPS_MENU is not
14:42
LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS is only needed to whitelist certain apps
14:43
otherwise all apps installed in the chroot are presented in the menus
14:43
<johnny>
as long as LOCAL_APPS_MENU is true?
14:43
<shawnp0wers>
all apps?
14:43
<Gadi>
correct
14:43
<shawnp0wers>
like... "ls" ?
14:43
<johnny>
all apps in the croot
14:43
they will run if they are there
14:43
<Gadi>
if LOCAL_APPS_MENU is unset or false, the menu will items will not be superceded
14:43
<shawnp0wers>
or only menu'd apps?
14:44
<johnny>
shawnp0wers, i you did menu_items.. they are the only ones
14:44
if you don't do menu_items.. then all installed in chroot will run
14:44
<Gadi>
there is also LOCAL_APPS_WHITELIST to only allow certain apps to run at all locally
14:44
<shawnp0wers>
interesting.
14:44
<Gadi>
(perhaps for security reasons)
14:48
<msaul_>
Just updating image after setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU... will get back to you...
14:48
<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: I might have steered you wrong though...
14:48
I guess it's even more magical than I though
14:49
<msaul_>
I like running frozen-bubble in ltsp-localapps - runs pretty well, I notice if sound sfx AND music, the music started to run slower after a while...
14:49
<shawnp0wers>
I think the best way to test is to remove the application from the server, and ONLY have it installed in chroot
14:49
<alkisg>
msaul_: you don't need to update the image after changes in lts.conf
14:50
msaul_: also, how exactly did you install frozen bubble to the chroot? From the xterm?
14:52
<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: My favorites are firefox with java/flash as localapps, along with gnome-mplayer.
14:52
For the first time, LTSP becomes a fully viable option in all my classrooms
14:52
::awesome::
14:53
<sbalneav>
I need to learn to write firfox plugins
14:53
so I can turn the HQTube greasemonkey script into a plugin
14:53
then it can just be globally installed.
14:54
You know, we've had lots of people bemoaning how LTSP5 isn't "as good" as LTSP4.2, for some value of "good".
14:55
However, something that's changed since then is flash.
14:55
Used to be flash was a cool luxury, but not a necessity.
14:55
<jammcq>
yep
14:55
<sbalneav>
Now, it seems that flash is pretty much MANDITORY
14:55
<johnny>
sadly es
14:55
until google goes free :(
14:56
<alkisg>
Go go moonlight :D
14:56
<johnny>
gogo theora
14:56
no
14:56
<sbalneav>
because just about ALL the complaints we get these days are all flash related.
14:56
<johnny>
not moonlight please
14:56
alkisg, html5 + theora
14:56
there's your freedome
14:56
<alkisg>
Can theora do games?
14:56
<johnny>
oh.. games.. no
14:56
i was speaking of video
14:56
<alkisg>
Well... go go moonlight then :)
14:56
<johnny>
for games it would have to be html5 canvas
14:56
<jammcq>
htlm5 isn't really gonna catch on until IE supports it
14:56
<alkisg>
At least this one does play well with linux
14:57
<sbalneav>
what's moonlight?
14:57
<johnny>
alkisg, canvas can do it
14:57
<alkisg>
silverlight for mono
14:57
<jammcq>
sbalneav: the light of the moon
14:57
<johnny>
alkisg, so.. yes html5 stuff can do it
14:57
<alkisg>
johnny: google for "flash games" and tell me how many of those you could program with canvas :)
14:57
<johnny>
no need for ms crapola..
14:57
<alkisg>
Canvas is extra ultra slow
14:57
<johnny>
alkisg, most?
14:57
for now
14:57
<alkisg>
Putpixel with javascript...
14:57
Nope, almost none of them
14:57
<sbalneav>
jammcq: just answered a question in edubuntu-users list.
14:57
<rjune>
alkisg, canvas is the SVG render?
14:57
<alkisg>
Yup
14:57
<johnny>
alkisg, i'd rather keep flash
14:58
until canvas is ready
14:58
otherwise people won't switch from silverlight
14:58
<sbalneav>
Apparently, since LTSP can't handle 30 people running flash simultaneouslu, the project isn't "viable" :)
14:58
<rjune>
alkisg, you paying for one to be written? pretty sure I could write quite a few.
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<alkisg>
For some game in canvas? No - I'm just saying it won't be fast enough to be playable
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<rjune>
You really think so?
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ltsp isn't viable for EVERYBODY, but it sure is for lots of people
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<alkisg>
Yeah, I did some speed measuring a year ago, it's like thousands of times slower than flash animations
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<johnny>
alkisg, of course it will be fast enough
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<shawnp0wers>
I'll give some props to Adobe too -- they've taken Linux a lot more seriously of late
14:59
<johnny>
it's just nobody cares yet..
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<sbalneav>
I really wish someone would run 30 flash sessions in I.E. with rdesktop.
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and post the results :)
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<rjune>
sbalneav, on a windows server right?
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<sbalneav>
right.
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<jammcq>
used to be that MS recommended 1 server for every 25 terminal services users
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dunno what they are recommending now
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<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: flash doesn't even yet support utf8...! It only supports english language - unacceptable for applications, flex etc
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: huh... Perhaps I can bend some ears about that.
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: Where does this Adobe being serious about Linux show?
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<alkisg>
It's a known bug, for 2 years now
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They say they'll fix it in the "next major flash release" for linux
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<shawnp0wers>
Adobe flash being released in unison with Windows, same with AIR
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I'm not saying they're awesome
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but at least we're not 2 versions behind anymore
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<elias_a_>
In addition to this UTF-8 bug we still have the v4l2 problem in Linux.
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<johnny>
that problem is solving itself
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<shawnp0wers>
I have some inside folks at Adobe too I'll pass along some frustrations.
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<johnny>
as the old stuff is deprecated
15:02* shawnp0wers has his big-boy journalist pants on
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<elias_a_>
Leaves Flash practically not usable.
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<shawnp0wers>
lol
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<elias_a_>
:D
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<shawnp0wers>
elias_a_: what is the problem with v4l2? (ignorance on my part, never had a problem with v4l and flash)
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<msaul_>
I redid, but again, running from menu, no difference...
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I then ran in xterm using ltsp-localapps xterm, ran frozen bubble and ran the way it should...
15:06
Someone mentioned "leading me astray" - I'm listening...
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<johnny>
msaul_, well try with shawnp0wers says.. specific them in LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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if that works.. you found a bug
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and can kick Gadi
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<msaul_>
I installed frozen bubble in chroot via xterm
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<johnny>
via xterm?
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huh
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<msaul_>
I did
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<johnny>
you have to build it into the chroot
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<msaul_>
in the LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS
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<johnny>
not in the local thin session
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did you do
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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apt-get install frozen-bubble
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exit
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: This summarizes the v4l2 problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adobe-flashplugin/+bug/420711
15:08
<johnny>
ltsp-update-image -a i386
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<msaul_>
yes, I did that...
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<johnny>
you did update image?
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<msaul_>
I then exited chroot, and ran ltsp-update-image
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I didn't use -a i386 option...
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<johnny>
well if your server is i386 you don't have to
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<msaul_>
But, when I added LOCAL_APPS_MENU to True and LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS, I didn't do that in chroot. was I supposed to do that in chroot as well?
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<johnny>
it doesn't hurt either tho
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no..
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just to lts.conf
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<msaul_>
I did that
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<johnny>
i have yet to be able to do local apps
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<msaul_>
Under /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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then ran ltsp-update-image...
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<johnny>
you're supposed to lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot
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/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<msaul_>
OK, I'll do that...
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<johnny>
the header of the chroot one shoudl have told you that
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uhmm
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it also needs
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[default]
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at the top
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so it'll parse
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run a local shell
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and type getltscfg
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: For example I have a webcam that works ok with Ekiga and Skype. Flash video with it does not work.
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<johnny>
make sure it is parsed
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<shawnp0wers>
elias_a_: Ok, thanks.
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: If you are able to speed things up a bit I am really grateful as we are trying to run video conferencing on LTSP.
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<johnny>
anybody seen a boot cd with only the purpose of loading a usb key ?
15:15
in case the system won't boot from usb natively
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<shawnp0wers>
elias_a_: Email sent to my Adobe contact... maybe he'll have some info for me.
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: Thanks! Keep me informed, will you?
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<alkisg>
johnny: you can use whatever boot loader for that
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johnny: e.g. I do it from my ltsp netboot menu... ;)
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(pxelinux)
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<johnny>
sure.. i just want an img to burn :)
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<alkisg>
Well, grub rescue cd?
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: The reason for me being eager on this one: http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/
15:18
That one rocks for real :)
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<johnny>
i guess i just need to know what commands to type at the grub line then.. ok
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<msaul_>
OK, that did the trick thanks...
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<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: What did the trick?
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<msaul_>
I notice that when playing frozen-bubble, it doesn't have music. I'm not complaining, sound fx are just fine. Just curious, was music taken off on purpose when running ltsp-localapps?
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<shawnp0wers>
my menu stuff, or other stuff?
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<msaul_>
I am able to run frozen-bubble from menu now...
15:24
:)
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<shawnp0wers>
elias_a_: Awesome looking app...
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<alkisg>
johnny: no - if you have a specific file in the stick, you can use the grub find command...
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<msaul_>
the suggestion to place info in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf did the trick...
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<alkisg>
(and burn the cd with that specific command, I mean)
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<msaul_>
I guess my only other question is how to get connect to Internet when running ltsp-localapps - is there a URL with *good* instructions to make this work? I will try that on my own instead of bugging you guys... :)
15:29
btw, the #ltsp channel is very user-friendly, I mentioned this in my blog, keep up the great support :)
15:29
Probably too many people just chat to get info and split - I appreciate the excellent info
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<jammcq>
it really helps to have "quality users"
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<msaul_>
I will blog this and hope to have all of the information in a concise area...
15:30
There's a blast from the past!
15:30
When are you coming back to T.O.?
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<jammcq>
ummm
15:30
dunno
15:30
<msaul_>
We'll have a seat set up for you...
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<jammcq>
heh
15:30
<shawnp0wers>
msaul_: just need to have ip_forward set for NAT on the server I think
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I don't use a 2NIC setup, so I dunno for sure
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<msaul_>
Perhaps a cardboard cutout or something...
15:31
There's the Jim I know, he finally did a heh :)
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<elias_a_>
shawnp0wers: We really are using OpenMeetings already quite heavily.
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<Gadi>
shawnp0wers: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320318/
15:35
use that in place of /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/bin/ltsp-localappsd
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<msaul_>
OK, will work on the ip_forward for NAT on the server, thanks for all the help... will send pics of new ltsp lab in a few weeks when it gets setup :)
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<Gadi>
(back up original)
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and reroll the image
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<msaul_>
cul8r
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<elias_a_>
It is the only piece of sw where 1) a linux user can be host and 2) screenshare is of good quality.
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<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: Will do -- I'll let you know in a few
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<Gadi>
and use in conjunction with the ltsp-localapps server side piece I pasted earlier
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with any luck, the spaces will come through
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if not, you can roll back
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:)
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<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: Should I restore the original ltsp-localapps, or use the one you modified?
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<Gadi>
use mine
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<elias_a_>
Wow -something Linux-related is user friendly!!! :D
15:38
<shawnp0wers>
Ok cool, that's easier
15:38
:)
15:38
<Gadi>
basically, I am trying to pass along the quoted args to the server and have the server interpret them properly
15:38
<shawnp0wers>
Can I just say, with Ubuntu 9.10 and LTSP5, thin clients boot up FAST...
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Gadi: Image almost rebuilt...
15:40
Gadi: :(
15:40
Now apps won't start at all...
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<Gadi>
same deal
15:40
ah crap
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shawnp0wers: ok, why don't you roll back to the originals for now, until I can get a setup where I can work thru this properly
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<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: Will do -- sorry for the hassle. :)
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<Gadi>
otherwise, we're just chasing our tails
15:43
ping me again to remind me
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:)
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<shawnp0wers>
hehehe -- ok, this server goes into production in a couple weeks, so I'll ping you by then. :)
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<Gadi>
unfortunately, I don't know how to send ctrl-alt-f2 through vSphere to the VMWare ESX VM I have a thin client in
15:43
:)
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<shawnp0wers>
ha!
15:47
elias_a_: Already heard back from my Adobe contact -- he said there is a bug filed in the Adobe public bug base too, and that the comments indicate it might be fixed in 10.1... He's doing some more digging, and getting me in contact with the marketing guys so I can get some information on the 64bit stuff too...
15:48
<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: fp-40 in the adobe bug tracker
15:48
http://bugs.adobe.com/jira/browse/FP-40
15:48
<elias_a_>
That's the UTF-8 ona
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one...
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<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: hmm, he pointed to FP-2138 I wonder if it's a dupe or different problem. (I didn't look)
15:48
<elias_a_>
The video issue is a separate one.
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<alkisg>
Urm, sorry, I was talking about the utf8 bug
15:49
Ah, so they'll fix both issues in 10.1? Wow, party time...
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<shawnp0wers>
I don't have an Adobe account, but hopefully FP-2138 is the right one
15:49
alkisg: I have no idea about the UTF8 bug
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<alkisg>
Yup they said 10.1 for that as well
15:50
<shawnp0wers>
huh, ::crosses fingers::
15:50
<alkisg>
the 2138 bug: http://paste.ubuntu.com/320328/
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<shawnp0wers>
Um, is it public when 10.1 beta goes public?
15:51
<alkisg>
No
15:51
<shawnp0wers>
ok, then I shouldn't say the date he told me... O.O
15:51
<alkisg>
Eeeerm I meant yes!!! :D
15:51
PM, please? :)
15:52* _UsUrPeR_ intercepts
15:52* shawnp0wers hopes alkisg is trustworthy. :)
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<alkisg>
Silent as a fish :)
15:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
>_>
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<alkisg>
Sorry my font isn't really clear, was that 2013 or 2018?
15:55
:P
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<shawnp0wers>
lol. :)
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<sbalneav>
!flash
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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<Gadi>
shawnp0wers: ping
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<sergiodlc>
ubuntu
17:36
Hi everybody. I'm using LTSP-5 under Ubuntu 9.04 and realized that can't mount usb pendrives formatted as FAT32. It identifies the drive but the content shown is garbage.
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<sergiodlc>
Any idea?
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<johnny>
and it works flawlessly on other computers?
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including the ltsp server
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<kusznir_>
Hi all: got a quick ubuntu ltsp question: I've just set up a new server, and did apt-get install ltsp-server. I then had to manually run ltsp-build-client, and got most things working. However, presently its not starting inetd on its own.
18:33
I got it working by running "sudo inetd", but there doesn't appear to be an /etc/init.d/inetd or simiar file, and I haven't found "the ubuntu way" to set inetd to start on boot.
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<johnny>
openbsd-inetd
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<sbalneav>
I love the internet
19:51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAg5KjnAhuU
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<Ryan52>
Kazookeylele. wow.
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<sbalneav>
He's my new hero.
19:54
He has MP3's of this stuff on his site.
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That one's going straight into Rhythmbox.
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<Ryan52>
haha
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<sbalneav>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbatbaxVYVM
20:00
This guy is some kind of freakin' genius.
20:00
We need him to get interested in thin clients.
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<sbalneav>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ6tKxxuyrc
20:07
Who needs tv?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoOZYU7jqeY
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