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Channel log from 18 November 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
johnny: for an example about the vendor identifier in dnsmasq.conf that we were talking the other day, see: /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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07:12
<_UsUrPeR__>
gooooood morning
07:14
<shawnp0wers>
Mornin' _UsUrPeR__
07:14
I see you've grown a tail this morning. :D
07:17
<_UsUrPeR__>
hmm
07:18
it appears I'll have to wait for zombie-me to die
07:18
<shawnp0wers>
You could use the ghost command
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hahaha boo!
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<shawnp0wers>
hehehehe
07:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
done 8)
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<rjune>
sbalneav, ping
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<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: ping?
08:10
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: pong - seems you like a good beer buzz early in the morning
08:10
;)
08:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: morning. Give me a moment to get my stuff straight. This pertains to ltsp-cluster in 9.10
08:12
<Gadi>
in that case, you may have the wrong girl -> where's stgraber hiding?
08:12* shawnp0wers looks around his office... No stgraber here!
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<ftherese>
ltsp-build-client fails on ldm-ubuntu-theme
08:28
is this serious?
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08:37
<_UsUrPeR_>
ftherese: had that problem recently
08:38
ftherese: my client would not boot upon ltsp-build-client completion
08:38
ftherese: I re-installed ubuntu because I couldn't get a proper image created
08:39
ftherese: after re-installation, images built fine, but I had to re-install. I thought it was screwing up due to some other stuff I was doing.
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<art>
I wonder if NBD makes my clients don't want to shut down and get stuck on the ldm white screen
08:52
when they power off...
08:53
<Gadi>
art: there is a bug in 9.10's ldm wrt poweroff/reboot from ldm screen
08:53
it has been fixed, but not packaged yet
08:53
<art>
Hi, Gadi, how are you? Good to hear from you again :)
08:54
Ok I see...
08:54
<Gadi>
thanks, u 2
08:54
<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: is the bug the one that just fails with a text screen when trying to reboot/shutdown?
08:54
<Gadi>
shawnp0wers: yeah - with squashfs errors normally
08:54
<shawnp0wers>
Cool, glad to know it's not just me. :D
08:54
Not a big deal though, just power off
08:55
<Gadi>
the failing may look different on different clients
08:55
it is because ldm issues a poweroff -p
08:55
<shawnp0wers>
SquashFS errors are what I see
08:55
<Gadi>
which tells the system to shutdown via init
08:55
as opposed to poweroff -fp
08:55
<shawnp0wers>
ahh
08:55
<Gadi>
which tells it to just halt immediately
08:56
9.10 changed its init system
08:56
<art>
But sometimes it shuts down okay, sometimes it doesn't, so I just tell my officemates to plug the power from the socket? Is this the only way?
08:56
Is this okay?
08:56
<Gadi>
and the result is the nbd and networking get removed before it can call halt, and without a rootfs, there's no halt to call
08:56
:)
08:56
<art>
Yes, so NBD is part of it?
08:56
<Gadi>
art: I can help you roll a package with the fix, if you like
08:57
<shawnp0wers>
:%s/cart/horse/g ;)
08:57
<art>
I just won't use NBD is that it?
08:57
<Gadi>
no it will affect nfs, as well
08:57
but, you can fix it yourself
08:57
easily enough
08:58
<art>
Gadi, thanks you're so helpful. :)
08:58
<Gadi>
np - have you rebuilt deb packages before?
08:59
<art>
Oh no, not yet, I think it's for the experts only
09:00
Can I just switch off NBD swap?
09:00
Can I just switch off NBD remote swap is that it?
09:00
<shawnp0wers>
Anyone have thoughts on the best way to install LTSP4.2 for booting OLD thin clients directly into rdesktop?
09:00
<Gadi>
art: nope
09:00
its not as scary as it sounds
09:01
read this: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/
09:01
in your case, you would apt-get source ldm
09:01
make the change and issue the command to rebuild
09:01
and then install the new ldm deb package in the chroot
09:01
and update the image
09:01
done
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<art>
I see...
09:02
Is this for 9.10 only?
09:03
<stgraber>
Gadi: I'm hiding in Dallas ;)
09:03
<art>
Hey friend, do you have a youtube channel or blog I can subscribe ? Hehe.
09:04
<sbalneav>
rjune: pong
09:04
<art>
Ah so, I'll reinstall ldm, but it's a package I built?
09:04
<rjune>
sbalneav, hey, Is Sabayon in 9.04 known to be broken?
09:04
<art>
What if I update my kernel, does it break?
09:05
<sbalneav>
Stock sabayon? Or the one in my ppa
09:05
<rjune>
Stock
09:05
<sbalneav>
Yes
09:05
<rjune>
good. glad to know that
09:05
What's the address of your PPA?
09:05
and how does one add it?
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<Gadi>
art: your kernel has nothing to do with this
09:06
<sbalneav>
launchpad.net/~sbalneav
09:06
go to the "my ppa" link
09:06
<art>
Ok
09:07
I see
09:07
<sbalneav>
instructions to add it are on the page.
09:07
<Gadi>
art: go thru the steps in that post up until apt-get source ldm and then let me know when you're there
09:08
<art>
Ok, but I don't have 9.10 installed yet
09:08
I was using 9.04 when the ldm white screen appears
09:09
when I poweroff thin clients
09:09
Is it the same?
09:09
<shawnp0wers>
art: with 9.04 I would get the "sometimes it works" problem
09:09
<rjune>
sbalneav, thanks a ton
09:10
<Appiah>
Anyone know how to remove that window that shows up on your clients when your running ltsp-cluster?
09:10
or modify what information that it shows?
09:11
<art>
Yeah, shawnp0wers: sometimes it also works for me, then sometimes it just won't shutdown and give a white screen, Gadi will this work?
09:11
<rjune>
sbalneav, and the 12 day old sabayon is good right?
09:11
<sbalneav>
rjune: Well, that one's for karmic
09:12
but it should be fine. It has apply-by-group
09:12
<Appiah>
oooh , any new docs yet sbalneav ?
09:12
<sbalneav>
yeah, they're in my git repo, but there's a problem
09:13
<shawnp0wers>
art: 9.10 is worth the upgrade, BTW. *very* nice. :)
09:13
<sbalneav>
clicking on the "help" button actually exits sabayon :(
09:13
I'm still trying to figure out why.
09:13
but the manuals about 15 pages printed out.
09:14
<Gadi>
art: do you have something to lose by trying?
09:16
<art>
Nope. OK I'll try!
09:17
shawn: Ok I'll upgrade on the weekend, in case something breaks I have time to fix it! :)
09:17
<Appiah>
sbalneav: I see :D
09:18
<art>
Thanks a lot Gadi, I'll post my reports after I rebuild ldm.
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<Gadi>
art: but I didnt tell you what to change yet
09:18
:)
09:18
<art>
Oh, you just don't follow that link?
09:18
<Gadi>
nope
09:19
that link is just how to rebuid packages in general
09:19
<art>
Oh yeah, silly me.
09:20
Ok I'm gonna do it now
09:20
<Gadi>
if you look in gtkgreet/greeter.c in the source, you will find "poweroff -p" and "reboot -p" change to "poweroff -fp" and "reboot -fp"
09:20
save
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and rebuild the package
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as per the instructions on rebuilding packages
09:21
then, copy the .deb into /opt/ltsp/i386, chroot /opts/ltsp/i386, dpkg -i *.deb, rm *.deb, exit, ltsp-update-image
09:23
<art>
OK. I just installed build-essential, slow Internet... For a while...
09:26
<cyberorg>
only live LTSP server distro is here :) http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05780
09:26* cyberorg hiyas all
09:26
<Appiah>
live?
09:27
<rjune>
Appiah, liveCD is my guess
09:27
<cyberorg>
Appiah, live installable DVD/USB stick image
09:27
<Appiah>
livecd ltsp server O_o
09:28
<cyberorg>
works much better from USB stick than DVD
09:28
<Appiah>
well liveusb/cd/dvd
09:29
if I use the "live" ltsp server and later decide to install it , will it keep all my configs?
09:29
<cyberorg>
Appiah, config takes 30 seconds to redo :)
09:29
<Appiah>
thats a no then :D
09:30
I was thinking of everything
09:30
like users , customization etc
09:30
<cyberorg>
nopes, live is just for demo, you can install and run easy-ltsp to set it up again though
09:31
<Appiah>
can I reboot the live and keep my live settings?
09:31
<cyberorg>
customizations are persistent on USB stick, but not transferred on install to hard disk
09:31
<Appiah>
ok
09:31
<cyberorg>
yes you can, we think of everything :)
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<art>
Gadi, thanks for a new insight, but my Internet is so slow, I'll report tomorrow, it's 11PM now here.
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09:45
<art>
Gadi, shawnpowers - thank you cool people! Good night.
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<shawnp0wers>
WTF... I have 3 servers running CentOS/LTSP4.2 -- and all 3 of them exhibit the problem where thin clients boot up and get "nfs: server 10.10.5.3 not responding, still trying"
09:46
GRRRRR
09:46* shawnp0wers has many Pentium 133 thin clients, so must use LTSP 4.2
09:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: ping? questions about ltsp-cluster. Gadi: you may be able to answer this too
09:50
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: I can try to answer (I'm in UDS sessions all day so may not be very focused on IRC)
09:51
<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: how much RAM on them?
09:52
<CAN-o-SPAM>
shawnp0wers: we have a lovely guy named Tim Allen (Detroit native), i think he can soup those up for you ;)
09:53
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: 32MB -- I've been using them for years
09:53
CAN-o-SPAM: I'm a Detroit native too. :)
09:54
<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: nice! 64MB is the lower limit for LTSP5, so if I'm ever in a lab with 32MB, I may try to dig up all this ancient history... :)
09:54
<Appiah>
hey stgraber anyway to edit or remove the windows that popups on the thin client displaying which server your connected to?
09:54
(ltsp-cluster) that is
09:54
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: I use LTSP4.2, with NBD Swap -- they work fairly well. :)
09:55
<stgraber>
Appiah: sure, just create a node and move the thin client inside it
09:55
<Appiah>
what will that do?
09:56
<stgraber>
nothing, just that the thin client will no longer be considered "not configured"
09:56
<Appiah>
ah ok
09:57
what's the Trash [-1] ?
09:57
<stgraber>
that's where deleted thin clients will be moved to
09:57
(we never actually remove them from the DB)
09:57
<Appiah>
I see
09:57
well thanks
10:00
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: why does ltsp-server have to be installed on appserves?
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10:04
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: it doesn't. All you need on the appserv is ldm-server, ltsp-cluster-lbagent, ltsp-cluster-accountmanager
10:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: ahh. ok. In the help.ubuntu.com ltsp-cluster site, ltsp-server is installed on appserves.
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<stgraber>
I hope I'm not the one who wrote that ;)
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<ftherese>
where is the ltsp-build-client command fully documented?
10:11
is it possible to build a karmic thin client running on a jaunty server?
10:11
<alkisg>
ftherese: why would you want that?
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<alkisg>
You shouldn't use different ltsp versions in the chroot than those on the server
10:11
<sbalneav>
ftherese: Generally a bad idea.
10:12
<alkisg>
There's a chance that they'll be incompatible
10:12
<sbalneav>
"man ltsp-build-client" should give you most information
10:13
<ftherese>
I have a problem in that I can't seem to build the client without it reporting a failure on the ldm-ubuntu-theme
10:13
<sbalneav>
What failure?
10:13
<ftherese>
it simply says that it fails because it can't find that package
10:13
is that "cosmetic" or is it grave?
10:13
<alkisg>
ftherese: you have stgraber's ppa in your sources?
10:14
<ftherese>
well... I am trying to figure out how to tell ltsp-build-client to use the right sources.list
10:14
and to include the usage of the apt-cacher packages
10:14
<alkisg>
ftherese: afaik, that only happens if you have stgraber's ppa in your sources, and NOT on the chroot
10:15
<ftherese>
and now I am getting a bunch of failures like
10:15
Les paquets suivants contiennent des dépendances non satisfaites :
10:15
<alkisg>
(or something like that - there was a name change in ldm-ubuntu-theme)
10:15
<ftherese>
dbus: Dépend: libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8) mais il n'est pas installable
10:15
hal: Dépend: libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78) mais il n'est pas installable
10:15
etc.
10:15
ldm: Dépend: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0) mais il n'est pas installable
10:16
the problem has to do with it trying to install off of the apt-cacher I think... but I don't know why
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<ftherese>
sbalneav: but options like --copy-sourcelist are not indicated in the man
10:19
where are all the options listed?
10:19
<alkisg>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help
10:19
<ftherese>
oook
10:19
thank you
10:19
<alkisg>
(and that one IS in the man page ;))
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<sbalneav>
Man pages probably need to be brought up to date.
10:22
sigh
10:24
<IHS_Volunteer>
So, I'm working on setting up localapps... I got the router functionality working, as far as I can tell(with a test PC). Getting firefox to work as a local app is challenging me(it seems like it's still running exclusively from the server) I got arora installed, but it's not connecting to the outside world.
10:27
Heh. Test PC is just fine, the LTSP client isn't using the DNS server, though.
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10:31
<IHS_Volunteer>
how do I get it to use the DNS server I want it to use, and not whatever it's using?
10:32
<johnny>
dhcpd
10:33
<IHS_Volunteer>
I can use a test pc hooked up to the LTSP network, and it works fine. it uses the DNS server I want it to use by default.
10:34
I can type www.google.com into my browser, and it just goes to it. I type www.google.com into arora as a local app, and it can't find it. I type the IP of google into it, and it works.
10:35
so if you meant dhcpd, as in the configuration file on the server... I've done that, and it works for everything but the clients.
10:37
<alkisg>
Did you put DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf ?
10:37
<johnny>
alkisg, you'd think that coudl be discovered.. i don't see why that should have to be set
10:38
<IHS_Volunteer>
I put DNS server, this search domain, I don't know what that is.
10:38
<alkisg>
johnny: well, I guess you devs had your security reasons against it :)
10:38
IHS_Volunteer: cat /etc/resolv.conf in the server, what do you have there?
10:38
<johnny>
security?
10:38
<alkisg>
Yeah, to prevent the clients from accessing the internet
10:39
<IHS_Volunteer>
# Generated by NetworkManager nameserver 10.40.32.2 nameserver 10.40.32.3
10:39
<alkisg>
At least in Ubuntu, the gateway in dhcpd.conf isn't right for that reason
10:39
<johnny>
seems like we have the wrong defaults then
10:39
it should be default on.. not off
10:39
<alkisg>
Let me get you the bug report...
10:40
<IHS_Volunteer>
and in my lts.conf it's DNS_SERVER=10.40.32.2
10:40
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: put SEARCH_DOMAIN=local
10:40
johnny: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/390155
10:40
"...initially these values were at such defaults on purpose because clients should not have access to any other networks"
10:44
<IHS_Volunteer>
also, despite firefox being installed locally in the server, I -really- think it's still using the one on the server. LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True is set.
10:44
<johnny>
you can prove it by looking in the ps list on the server
10:47
<IHS_Volunteer>
and after saying that, I open firefox after the 5th reboot of the client, and it behaves a little different...and then doesn't show in the process list. and by behave a little different, I mean it's doing the same thing as arora.
10:49
well, a potential fix seems to be to use a proxy that has a static IP. and wouldn't you know it, I'm considering setting one up to speed other things up anyways.
10:50
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: did you put SEARCH_DOMAIN in lts.conf?
10:51
<IHS_Volunteer>
alkisg, yes, it didn't fix the problem.
10:51
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: ok, can you try some stuff?
10:51
<IHS_Volunteer>
sure.
10:51
<alkisg>
First, while on a client, open up a gnome-terminal
10:51
In that terminal, type: ltsp-localapps xterm
10:51
An xterm should pop up. Did it?
10:52
<IHS_Volunteer>
yep
10:52
<alkisg>
Try: cat /etc/resolv.conf
10:52
What do you get?
10:52
<IHS_Volunteer>
Permission denied. o_O
10:53
<alkisg>
OK.
10:53
Try: /usr/bin/getltscfg -a
10:53
What do you get?
10:53
(or, better yet, upload your /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf to pastebot)
10:54
<johnny>
isn't that the problem alkisg ? shouldn't /etc/resolv.conf be readable?
10:54
otherwise resolution won't work
10:54
<alkisg>
johnny: it's automatically fixed if you put DNS_SERVER and SEARCH_DOMAIN
10:54
<IHS_Volunteer>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
IHS_Volunteer: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:54
<alkisg>
A new one gets created, and it has the proper permissions...
10:55
But there was a bug about the resolv.conf mode back in Jaunty beta - maybe IHS_Volunteer hit that one...
10:55
<IHS_Volunteer>
I started with a new release of jaunty..did it not get fixed or magically disappear so no one fixed it?
10:56
Er...new release as in..right before Karmic came out
10:56
and I am using Jaunty
10:56
<alkisg>
It's fixed, but I'm not 100% sure if it was right before or right *after* the jaunty release :D
10:56
sbalneav: who runs pastebot.ltsp.org? It's been down for some days now...
10:57
IHS_Volunteer: use paste.ubuntu.com
10:59
(I'm talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/347957 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/348305)
11:00
<IHS_Volunteer>
I put my lts.conf and dhcpd.conf file in this paste thing. http://paste.ubuntu.com/321668/
11:00
<alkisg>
...and yup, it seems that it was fixed *after* the jaunty release
11:00
<IHS_Volunteer>
It should be easy to see where they split.
11:01
<alkisg>
dhcpd.conf doesn't matter for dns
11:01
(for jaunty ltsp clients, that is...)
11:01
IHS_Volunteer: so either put stgraber's ppa in your sources.list, OR use the hack they mention at the bug page
11:01
!stgraber-ppa
11:01
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "stgraber-ppa" is https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/ppa
11:02
<IHS_Volunteer>
that's the server sources.list, right?
11:02
<alkisg>
Nope :)
11:02
Client sources.list, and update client, and update image etc etc
11:02
<IHS_Volunteer>
Alright, I think I have the client's one open already
11:02
<alkisg>
Ah, not image
11:02
Update the initramfs
11:03
<IHS_Volunteer>
o.o
11:03
<alkisg>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u
11:03
sudo ltsp-update-kernels
11:03
<IHS_Volunteer>
thanks.
11:03
<alkisg>
Something like that..
11:03
(of course, *after* putting the sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade etc)
11:04
<IHS_Volunteer>
would dist-upgrade take it to 9.10? not sure I want to do that yet.
11:04
<alkisg>
No
11:05
dist-upgrade means "if not installed packages are required to properly update the system, do install them"
11:05
upgrade means "update what you can without installing not-already-installed packages"
11:05
update-manager -d means "do a release upgrade ;)"
11:06
<FrozenZia>
hi all - any record of LTSP server causing some "weird" traffic? Like generating 50 some different requests on different ports?
11:06
9.10 edubuntu in my case.
11:09
Our connection in our office to the rest of our school network (and ultimately to the internet) is via a wireless router. I was experiencing some VERY weird stuff the other day after I got that LTSP server running, and during investigations, logged on to the router, and under "Active Connections" there were I'm guessing something like 50 listings for an internal IP address, with varying port numbers.
11:10
Didn't take the time yet to see where the IP address was coming from, but when I unplugged the LTSP server from the network (upstream), the connections went away.
11:11
<IHS_Volunteer>
Errors were encountered while processing:|/var/cache/apt/archives/hal_0.5.12~rc1+git20090403-0ubuntu4_i386.deb|/var/cache/apt/archives/pulseaudio_1%3a0.9.14-0ubuntu20.3_i386.deb|E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
11:12
oh joy
11:13
wait, that was a normal upgrade. lets try dist-upgrade and see if it errors more.
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<IHS_Volunteer>
the error remains
11:29
<shawnp0wers>
Anyone know where the most recent version of LTSP 4.2 is? The links on the ltsp.org wiki are broken...
11:30
<johnny>
you're using it
11:30
<shawnp0wers>
On CentOS? I ask because I'm going to try putting it on a recent Ubuntu server
11:30
to serve my old OLD thin clients
11:30
<johnny>
unlikely..
11:30
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: did you mount /proc , etc?
11:30
IHS_Volunteer: there's a standard procedure for chroot updates, if you don't know it search the ubuntultsp wiki
11:31
<johnny>
shawnp0wers, there are no debs that will install on recent ubuntu anyways
11:31
just copy your ltsp42 chroot
11:31
and do the setup manually
11:31
nfs , et al
11:31
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
11:32
<shawnp0wers>
thanks -- good idea. I was looking for the "stock" LTSP 4.2 stuff...
11:32
<IHS_Volunteer>
thank you. I had just started googling. :D
11:32
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: from "export LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS=false" and below
11:33
(put stgraber's ppa in your chroot sources first)
11:34
<shawnp0wers>
Grrr... The latest version of LTSP available on sourceforge seems to be 4.1...
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<FrozenZia>
fwiw, the ip that seemed to be generating this "bogus" traffic I was seeing was 10.80.10.253, and I want to think the ports were in the 9000 range, if that tells someone something.
11:43
<IHS_Volunteer>
Aaaand, it works, thanks!
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<IHS_Volunteer>
so the next thing I should figure out, now that I have localapps..is networked swap.
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<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: See NBD_SWAP in the docs
12:13
!docs
12:13
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
12:13
<alkisg>
Bah no docs
12:14
OK, zcat /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/lts-parameters.txt.gz
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<johnny>
sbalneav, update the doc link please
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<FrozenZia>
Ok, well over an hour, and total silence regarding weird traffic, so I'll assume no one here has encountered that.
13:15
<ftherese>
I can't seem to install italc in the thin client... I get libqtgui4 missing dependency
13:15
and that depends upon libmng1
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which is not installable
13:15
along with libaudio2
13:16
<sbalneav>
johnny: I will as soon as I figure out how to upload to sf :(
13:17
temporarily, you can snag it from alburg.net/LTSPManual.pdf
13:17
<johnny>
sbalneav, not the pdf
13:17
but the wiki links
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<ftherese>
I am using the edubuntu-italc-devel ppa's too
13:17
<johnny>
didn't the wiki get moved
13:17
what you see at !docs
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<ftherese>
is italc-client just temporarily broken?
13:19
<sbalneav>
right, I'll fix that up as well.
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<alkisg>
ftherese: you don't need to install it to the chroot
13:29
Just do: sudo apt-get install italc-master on the server, and you're done
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<alkisg>
(09:27:13 μμ) alkisg: ftherese: you don't need to install it to the chroot
13:44
(09:27:25 μμ) alkisg: Just do: sudo apt-get install italc-master on the server, and you're done
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14:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber/gadi: have a question for you about ltsp-cluster
14:49
my server doesn't seem to be sending out the proper lbsconfig.xml
14:50
I have made changes to the <node address> section
14:50
<sbalneav>
Ahhh, a little light reading to fix https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cupsys/+bug/307471/
14:50
Adobe
14:51
<shawnp0wers>
sbalneav: Any chance you have a backup copy of the LTSP4.2 tarball?
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<sbalneav>
Adobe's "Postscript Language Document Structuring Convention Specifications"
14:51
<shawnp0wers>
A little birdy told me you might, and it's not on the LTSP.org site
14:52
<sbalneav>
shawnp0wers: I'll look, but I suspect I ditched it long ago.
14:52
<shawnp0wers>
:D
14:52
<sbalneav>
What do you need it for?
14:52
<shawnp0wers>
My Pentium 133's would be eternally grateful. ;)
14:52
<sbalneav>
Just use LTSP5 and disable pulse from starting. It's the biggest hog.
14:53
how much ram do the 133's have?
14:53
<shawnp0wers>
hmm... 32MB I think
14:53
<sbalneav>
hm, yeah, that might be a bit thin.
14:53
<shawnp0wers>
by disable, do you just mean SOUND=N in lts.conf?
14:53
<sbalneav>
yeah
14:53
<shawnp0wers>
I can play with it to be sure
14:54
<sbalneav>
SOUND=N, LOCALDEVS=N
14:54
<shawnp0wers>
I use NBD swap for them
14:54
well, LOCALDEVS I need, if that means USB devices
14:54
<sbalneav>
LOCALDEV=N
14:54
<shawnp0wers>
ie, usb flash drives & printers
14:54
<sbalneav>
ah, well localdev should be ok anyway
14:54
ltspfsd's pretty thin.
14:54
<shawnp0wers>
to be fair, these beasties have been running fo rme since around 2004, so I'm not complaining lol
14:55
<sbalneav>
I spent a lot of time making it be reeeeeeealy small
14:55
<shawnp0wers>
I'll try disabling sound, and see what I get
14:55
<sbalneav>
while you're doing that, I'll check some of my archive cd's
14:55
<shawnp0wers>
we're currently using sound on most of them with 4.2 (I'm having centos issues, and wanted to try rolling my own)
14:55
thanks a ton
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<johnny>
shawnp0wers, if you wanted to get hardcore..
14:57
you would write a cuse driver
14:58
that just netcatted the sound devices
14:58
<shawnp0wers>
Perhaps we've never met -- I *might* be able to write a bash for loop, but that would be stretching it. :D
14:58
<johnny>
shawnp0wers, well if you wanted sound.. that would be the leanest way to do it
14:59
otherwise you need something like pulse/esd that are hoggy
14:59
<shawnp0wers>
ahh -- I'll probably just do without sound
14:59
Infact, I might just point them directly to an rdesktop session and use my old thin clients for the "windows needs"
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15:09
<dro>
shawnp0wers: what are you trying to do with sound? sorry I jumped in late
15:09
<shawnp0wers>
dro: well, sound with websites -- but it's not that great
15:10
I think if I can get the oldies workng without sound, life will be good
15:10
:)
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<shawnp0wers>
!docs
15:22
<ltspbot>
shawnp0wers: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
15:22
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi or stgraber: ping?
15:22
<shawnp0wers>
lol, I *had* that link...
15:22
I forget how to enable/configure NBD swap in LTSP5
15:23
<alkisg>
sbalneav: new greasemonkey plugin, converts youtube video to HTML 5 video tags! http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/watch-youtube-videos-in-html5/
15:23
"Even better, we've written a GreaseMonkey/UserScript to add a link to all YouTube video pages that points to the HTML5 version, leaving you with no excuse to still use the Flash interface!"
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: ooooooooooooooooh
15:25
<alkisg>
ooops " Firefox does not support streaming MP4 content due to licensing restrictions"
15:25
So no go :(
15:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi/stgraber: unping. never mind.
15:29
<alkisg>
!flash
15:29
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "flash" is Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try the HQtube plugin. Install greasemonkey for firefox, and see http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/24999
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<alkisg>
Hmmmm http://www.youtube.com/html5 this would be easier to replace with a totem plugin, than the original youtube site...
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18:43
<ftherese>
how do you troubleshoot a nbd9: receive control failed error?
18:43
I think I must have installed something on my server that is causing problems with the thin client
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<ftherese>
anyone know about a nbd9: receive control failed ( -32) error??
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20:53
<sbalneav>
Quiet in here
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20:58* ball nods, quietly
21:12
<ball>
Gah, I was hoping to try ltsp tonight, but the CD for the OS just turned into a coaster.
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22:44* Ryan52 swears he's seen that commit before..
22:45
<Ryan52>
revno: 942
22:45
committer: Stéphane Graber <stgraber@ubuntu.com>
22:45
ldm: Don't force reboot and poweroff (in case we have some init scripts that need to be run)
22:45
== some time passes ==
22:45
revno: 1214
22:45
committer: Gideon Romm <gideon@symbio-technologies.com>
22:45
Force poweroff and reboot instead of going through init.
22:45
lol, how nice.
22:45* Ryan52 emails Gadi & list
22:46
<stgraber>
any reason for which ldm.pot got removed ?
22:46
Ryan52: yeah, I was actually going to revert that change myself but it's more fun to see Gadi doing it ;)
22:46
<Ryan52>
stgraber: oh, you were?
22:47
oh.
22:47
got it. lol.
22:47
read it wrong at first, I thought you meant you agreed with Gadi's change.
22:47
<stgraber>
Ryan52: you read irght
22:47
*right
22:47
I perfectly agree with that change :)
22:47
<Ryan52>
oh.
22:47
why?
22:47
I mean...why'd you make it in the first place then?
22:48
<stgraber>
dropping -f was a test to have nbd to close the session correctly but that doesn't seem to be possible
22:48
<Ryan52>
ah
22:48
<stgraber>
and it's actually causing additional issues (like thin client not stopping/rebooting due to squashfs issue)
22:49
<sbalneav>
stgraber: hey there, how's TX?
22:50
<stgraber>
UDSish :)
22:51
Doesn't really feel like Texas when you have more european than american around you ;)
22:51
<sbalneav>
heh
22:52
Where's the list of bof's? Any edubunty ones you'd like me to poke my nose into?
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: friday 12:00, there'll be the edubuntu session
23:08
sbalneav: summit.ubuntu.com/uds-l
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<alkisg>
stgraber: Is there an edubuntu meeting today? If so, we should update https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda
23:19
<ball>
Does Ubuntu's ltsp variant expect to find two network adaptors?
23:20
<alkisg>
ball: yes, but if it doesn't, it prompts you to manually modify dhcpd.conf later on
23:20
(that is, the alternate cd installer)
23:21
<ball>
Oh dear, it looks as though the installer just died anyway
23:21
"Couldn't download package dash"
23:21
...so perhaps the question's moot.
23:21
<stgraber>
alkisg: if there's one, I probably won't be able to attend. I guess it's better to start meetings again after UDS
23:22
<alkisg>
stgraber: ok, thanks :)
23:22
ball: is that by pressing F4 in the alternate CD?
23:22
Or by just running ltsp-build-client?
23:22* ball nods
23:22
<ball>
(F4)
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