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Channel log from 14 January 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<kc8pxy>
johnny: that help?
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<johnny>
hmm.. that looks fine
00:37
and your pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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<Shingoshi>
Is anyone here using LTSP in a cluster environment?
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<Appiah>
nope
01:06
I'd like to try
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: one sec.
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johnny: DEFAULT bzImage ro initrd=initramfs root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.2.89:/opt/ltsp/x86
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<johnny>
hmm.. looks fine
01:16
try mounting it from somewhere else
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<kc8pxy>
I've never used nfs, mount -t nfs 192.168.2.89:/opt/ltsp/x86 /mnt/mymountpoint/ ?
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mount.nfs: access denied by server while mounting 192.168.2.89:/opt/ltsp/x86
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johnny: that look right?
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<johnny>
check your logs
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: i noticed a [!!] then starting the nfs deamon, but i can't find the nfs logs.. ... :-(
01:23
<Shingoshi>
ogra: Do you have any advice on how to setup Clustering with LTSP.
01:24
<johnny>
no ogra doesn't
01:24
stgraber does
01:24
kc8pxy, should be in messages?
01:24
or everything on metalog
01:24* johnny misses metalog style
01:24
<johnny>
makes more sense to me
01:25
than the default syslog-ng
01:25* kc8pxy doesn't see a /var/log/messages :-(
01:26
<johnny>
well.. i can't tell you where your syslog files are, you should know :)
01:26
i don't know which syslog you're using
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<kc8pxy>
it would have been syslog-ng
01:27
but it's not installed??!?!
01:27
eix says it's not there
01:29* kc8pxy cut "too many " corners on this install :)
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<kc8pxy>
no vixie-cron, no syslog :)
01:29
<Shingoshi>
stgraber: What is it that you can tell me about setting up LTSP on a Cluster?
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<kc8pxy>
su -c '/exec cat /var/log/messages |grep nfsd'
01:34
gar
01:37
Jan 14 07:33:07 blade exportfs[15984]: /etc/exports [1]: Neither 'subtree_check' or 'no_subtree_check' specified for export "*:/opt/ltsp". Assuming default behaviour ('no_subtree_check'). NOTE: this default has changed since nfs-utils version 1.0.x
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Jan 14 07:33:07 blade nfsd[15989]: nfssvc: Function not implemented
01:38
johnny: mind translating this greek?
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<johnny>
hmm.. not sure what the last bit is all about
01:39
nfssvc
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i'm not really that that familiar with how nfs works
01:40
i don't really use it often enough
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: ideas?
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<johnny>
you could try forcing the directory in /etc/exports
01:49
as in. /opt/ltsp/x86 not just /opt/ltsp
01:50
i don't recall what mine has in it
01:50
and as i mentioned.. that box is down
01:50
i can't look in it
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: :-( bad fall?
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<johnny>
yeah
01:53
i have a backup on another hard drive via rdiff-backup
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that backup is a bit older
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as i haven't done much of anything with that box
01:54
but there are a few things i'm gonna miss
01:54
like my most recent tested build client
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luckily only the / was damaged and not my /home
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i just need to get the time to put it back together, and test the hard drive
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<kc8pxy>
"fun" :-(
01:56
nfs it is
01:56
i can probably get nfs help on gentoo?
01:56
in #gentoo?
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<johnny>
well did you try setting the full path to the chroot in /etc/exports and restarting nfs?
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<Chidder>
Is there anyone online with LTSP/Gentoo experience?
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<johnny>
sorta
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<Chidder>
I have finished ltsp-build-client and rebuilt the initrd to include my network modules and removed all the dross (raid etc). The client boots to a normal login prompt.
02:45
During startup the ltsp-client init script emits one "/bin/sh already running." for each SCREEN_xx listed in /etc/lts.conf but does not seem to start any screens.
02:47
Trying to start the /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm script manually emits "(UNKNOWN) [$SERVER_IP] 9571 (?) : Connection refused" This seems to be a netcat connection to the server on port 9571. What should be listening on this port on the server?
02:49
<johnny>
ldminfo
02:49
err ldminfod
02:49
depending on when you did it, you might not have the ldminfod package
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if not.. emerge ldminfod
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and then edit /etc/xinetd.d/ldminfod and change disable yes to disable no
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and of course.. restart xinetd
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<Chidder>
Installed ldminfod and all of above. Manually starting ldm no longer gives the previous error. However restarting ltsp-client or running ldm manually does not start a nice login screen. Any thoughts
02:58
<johnny>
so.. on a fresh boot what happens?
02:58
can you login and whatnot?
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<Chidder>
Alas no, I still get the "/bin/sh already running" and then get a shell login on the thin client, which when logged in exposes the chrooted filesystem.
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<johnny>
Chidder, i guess i'm gonna need more details
03:42
Chidder, my ltsp box is kinda dead atm.. i have to restore my hard drive from backup, and i haven't had time
03:46
<Chidder>
Johnny, what info do you want? I know my way around Gentoo reasonably well, but am new to LTSP5.
03:50
<johnny>
figure out what is trying to spawn /bin/sh :)
03:50
maybe it's a getty thing..
03:50
altho.. i didn't see the same thing myself
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<johnny>
Chidder, i gotta hit the sack.. it's pretty late
03:59
i'll be back in 6ish hours
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<polytan>
hi
03:59
hello johnny
04:07
johnny, is the last version of ltsp-server up to date ?
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I mean in the gentoo's overlay
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<Appiah>
I'm having an issue with booting 3 or more clients at the same time , screen gets filled with SQUASHFS error and then stops booting
04:40
Ubuntu 8.10 , clean client image
04:40
no errors from the nbdserver
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(in the logs)
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<dexter>
Hello. Can i use the thin client part only of LTSP?
06:09
to connect to a win server
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<rjune_>
yes, you can use LTSP for thin clients to connect to a windows server
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<rjune_>
You'll want to look at the RDP or RDESKTOP bits not sure what they're actually called anymore.
06:14
*sigh* and you are an idiot that left < 60 seconds after asking the question.
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<Appiah>
:D
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<Appiah>
To troubleshoot the connection/mounting of the nbd image "Setting up LTSP client..." thats where the client stops booting and just dumps the screen with alots of squashfs errors
06:38
I thought of adding either some delay or some timeout
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any ideas?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
Appiah: are you going thru a KVM switch?
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(keyboard/video/mouse)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
if so, try booting with the monitor directly connected
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<Appiah>
I dont see what that has to do with anything but they are directly connected
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<Gadi_eeepc>
well, X -configure makes BIOS-level calls to the monitor which on some buggy BIOSes cause the client to hang before the Xserver loads
07:00
which would hang at that point
07:00
your squashfs errors are due to your network connection
07:01
but if it hangs at the same point everytime, the inability to communicate over the network may or may not be related
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<Gadi_eeepc>
if these are all the same model client, perhaps it is the network driver
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<Gadi_eeepc>
there have been network driver bugs that would cause the network interface to shutdown upon a lot of activity
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<Appiah>
nothing wrong with the screen
07:04
it happends if i boot more then 3 thin clients at the same time
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1 will work
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the other 2 will stop
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<alkisg>
Gadi_eeepc: and what can one do if there's a network driver bug? Lower the network bandwidth per client somehow?
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<nubae>
alkisg: change the network card :-)
07:05
cheaper
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<Appiah>
but it's thin clients
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<alkisg>
All of them? :(
07:05
<Appiah>
or do you mean the server ?
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All the clients are the same
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<Gadi_eeepc>
alkisg: update the driver
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<Appiah>
latest firmware
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<alkisg>
I'll try... ty!
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<nubae>
Appiah: if the network traffic is somehow stopping then something should show in the logs or wireshark
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<Appiah>
server says the nbd-client connected to the nbd-server
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but the client seams to have problems mounting it(?!)
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<Appiah>
I dont see anything in the logs saying that it refused a connection or that it was an error
07:12
(on the server)
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<Gadi_eeepc>
checck server net driver/card
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<Appiah>
check as in try another one? :P
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<Gadi_eeepc>
sure
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or dmesg
07:13* Appiah wonder if it's a 1000 or a 100mbit card
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<Gadi_eeepc>
see if there are errors
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gotta go
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<shamino>
I have ltsp on Ubuntu hardy.. is there any way to listen audio-cds on clients?
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<nubae>
not without tweaking your pulse audio settings
07:38
maybe installing the audio program as a local app might work
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<shamino>
so i need to update to intrepid? as far as i know local-apps doesn't work on hardy..?
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<nubae>
right
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<Chidder>
Where can I find a list of daemons (and their ports) that run on the server?
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<nubae>
netstat -plutane
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those are the ones actually running
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and otherwise check http://www.gasmi.net/docs/tcp.html
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<nubae>
greets cyberorg
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<cyberorg>
hiya nubae :)
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<Chidder>
Thanks for the list. I am trying to figure out which servers are missing. At present the client is requesting info from server port 8001, but there is nothing listening at that port. I've already had 5971 pointed out to me and wanted to get ahead and fix all the serverside problems before hitting the client side.
07:55
<nubae>
so netstat -tulp or -plutane shows no port 8001?
07:55
<Appiah>
Chidder dist? ltsp version?
07:56
<Chidder>
nubae: Nothing listening on 8001 on the server
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<nubae>
yeah mine either... so not sure why the client is trying to request there
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<Appiah>
nothing running on 8001 here either
07:57
you sure it's requesting 8001 serverside?
07:57
<Chidder>
Appiah: Gentoo / svn version of LTSP
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<nubae>
are u loadbalancing by any chance?
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<Appiah>
oh
07:58
I just tried ltsp-cluster
07:58
it uses 8000+
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<nubae>
the lbserver runs on 8001
07:58
yeah
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<Appiah>
I couldnt figure out where that webinterface was
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<nubae>
there is non, I don't think
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<Appiah>
apache got installed but no apache configs pointing to the php pages that came with ltsp-cluster-control
07:59
i found some admin.php and such
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<nubae>
may not be finished
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<Chidder>
Hmm, probably barking at the wrong tree then.
07:59
I have gotten to the state where the thin client boots to a shell, but will not bring up the ldm screen.
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<nubae>
Chidder: that is usually a X configure problem
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<Appiah>
but no config "publishing" that site
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<nubae>
which card have u got?
08:01
<Chidder>
It's running on a virtualbox machine, not sure which driver that would be. I'm going to try it with vesa.
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<nubae>
ahhhh... well u shuold have mentioned that
08:02
thats why its pointing to 8001
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<cliebow>
anyone see the obama mention of open source software?
08:03
http://www.truthout.org/011209RCheck out #6 ;-)
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<nubae>
page not found
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<cyberorg>
http://www.truthout.org/011209R
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<nubae>
wow, quite prominent
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<cor3>
hello all
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<Appiah>
hello
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<cor3>
Success story to add: Scott might be interested as its in winnipeg
08:31
I installed a debian ltsp server for Winnipeg Harvest: http://www.winnipegharvest.org/
08:35
no devs around?
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<Appiah>
if im correct on who are the "devs" , they show up about .. 1 hour from now saying "good morning"
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<cor3>
lol k
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:46
Hey! Winnipeg Harvest uses LTSP now?
08:46
Coooool
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<polytan>
johnny, after a fresh install of ltsp using uptodate ltsp-serv and ltsp-build-client script, ldm isn't runniong
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and I can't find why :(
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<nubae>
Appiah: lol
08:54
(03:39:49 PM) Appiah: if im correct on who are the "devs" , they show up about .. 1 hour from now saying "good morning"
08:56
<alkisg>
Qt is now LGPL?! http://www.qtsoftware.com/about/news/lgpl-license-option-added-to-qt
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<nubae>
probably so it can link to closed source stuff
08:57
makes sense
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<alkisg>
Won't this make more developers prefer Qt to GTK?
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(over)
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<nubae>
well there has always been the talk of KDE running on windows too
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so yes
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<alkisg>
Well... I guess it's time to test LTSP more under KDE! :P :D
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<sbalneav>
<my own opinion>
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<sbalneav>
If the world moves to KDE, I'll go back to fluxbox :)
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<sbalneav>
</my own opinion>
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<nubae>
I don't think gnome is going away any time soon
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<Appiah>
nubae: :D
09:05
only took 10min
09:06
<nubae>
http://wiki.inveneo.org/index.php/Technical_Specialist
09:06
what a cool job
09:06
<alkisg>
sbalneav: what's so wrong about KDE? Gnome looks better in my newbie eyes too, but k3b is better than brasero, kuser than users-admin, kolourpaint than gpaint etc etc... I end up having many KDE apps in my Ubuntu :(
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<nubae>
not to mention a unified kde edu suite
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<alkisg>
Yup, that one too
09:07
<Appiah>
I use to KDE applications on my Gentoo Gnome setup, kvpnc and amarok , only kvpnc beacuse the gnome applet in gentoo portage is b0rked
09:07
<alkisg>
(not to start a flame or anything, they're newbie questions)
09:07
<Appiah>
s/to/2
09:07
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Personally, I find KDE ugly as sin.
09:08
But that's just me.
09:08
<alkisg>
So is it only the looks?
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<nubae>
kde 4 too?
09:08
<sbalneav>
Yup
09:08
fugly
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<alkisg>
Cause that could be easily amented, I guess...
09:08
<nubae>
alkisg: amended :-)
09:08
<sbalneav>
But that's just purely my personal choice.
09:09
<Appiah>
"Design of solar, generator, and other power systems. "
09:09
<alkisg>
Ty, nubae! :)
09:09
<Appiah>
sounds fun
09:09
<nubae>
yeah I gave it a shot...
09:09
<sbalneav>
I'm, of course, interested in making sure LTSP WORKS with KDE, but as for me personally using it... not so much :)
09:10
<alkisg>
Me, whatever works better for my students... I don't care much for the looks
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<sbalneav>
I miss using the window manager I wrote. I should dig it out and start working on it again.
09:11
nubae: Nice logo, BTW
09:12
<vagrantc>
i'm come to learn all too often that looks become important enough to people that it actually does matter.
09:12
<sbalneav>
My window manager was perfect.
09:12
No icons
09:12
No menus
09:12
<Appiah>
true but looks can often relate to being user friendly
09:12
<sbalneav>
Simple 1 pixel blue border around windows
09:13
Hit alt-enter to launch an X-Term
09:13
You could move, resize, and position windows all with the keyboard
09:13* vagrantc is pretty happy with tritium
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<sbalneav>
and it had up to 64 virtual screens :)
09:13
tritium?
09:13* sbalneav googles
09:14
<sbalneav>
morning vagrantc, btw
09:14
<vagrantc>
hi
09:15
<sbalneav>
Written in Python?!
09:15
Cooooool
09:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: tritium is more in the family of windowless window managers... using more of a frame layout, and something kind of like web browser tabs.
09:15
<sbalneav>
I should check it out.
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<Appiah>
when it comes to minimal desktops I think fluxbox does a great job
09:16
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I used fluxbox and openbox for a while.
09:16
Every once in a while I go back to TWM too, just to reminisce
09:17* vagrantc gets tired of moving and resizing windows all the time
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<sbalneav>
So, I picked up a Acer AspireOne yesterday.
09:18
And I freaking love it.
09:18
<Appiah>
When I first saw TWM
09:18
i thought , no one can use this
09:19
well wants to
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<sbalneav>
TWM's fine. Window manager's and desktop environments have become way, WAY too intrusive.
09:20
I don't want to USE gnome, or USE kde, I just want something that lets me launch the programs I *DO* use, with the minimum amount of fuss, then gets out of my way.
09:21
<alkisg>
sbalneav: Linpus? (in AspireOne)
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I'm not hot about the look, but, I can <alt-f2>xterm, and get a term up, and I installed ssh, so, between a web browser, OpenOffice.org, and ssh, it's got everything I need to get useful work done.
09:23
I think ogra's work will pay off in Jaunty, and it should work "out of the box", so when Jaunty comes out, I'll ditch linpus, and move to ubuntu
09:23
<alkisg>
I heard awful things about this distro...
09:23
<sbalneav>
but for now, it'll work just fine.
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<sbalneav>
Well, it's fedora 8 based, so it's a touch out of date. But not too bad.
09:24
It's got OO.o 2.3, and firefox 2, so it's a little behind.
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<sbalneav>
Speak of the devil!
09:24
ogra: Morning!
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<ogra>
afternoon
09:25
:)
09:25
<sbalneav>
Hey, I picked up an Acer AspireOne.
09:25
<ogra>
you should have waited 6 months :)
09:25
<sbalneav>
Jaunty's gonna have all your work with the Atom stuff, right?
09:26
<ogra>
that http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1240267&highlight= will run a full day on one charge
09:26
<polytan>
40min pour configurer le noyau
09:26
sorry
09:26
wrong chan ;)
09:26
<ogra>
yes, all i and my team did in intrepid will be in jaunty
09:26
atm we are more concentrating on ARM
09:27
ATOM is a massive waste of power compared to ARM ;)
09:27
<sbalneav>
Perfect. When jaunty's released, I'll move to it.
09:27
<ogra>
(ATOM 1W ... ARM 0.1W) :)
09:27
<cor3>
sbalneav: I setup winnipeg harvest with a debian LTSP server
09:27
<sbalneav>
Hey, for 200 bucks, when that one gets released, I'll just buy one of them :)
09:28
My kids are clamouring for the one I've got already :)
09:28
cor3: Saw that!
09:28
<ogra>
well, i'm not sure they refer t the enduser price, might only be the board ...
09:28
so a SATA disk, case, display and kdb will add up to the 200
09:28
<sbalneav>
ogra: Well, can't see it being much more than 300, then. Either way, cheap.
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<ogra>
yeah
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<sbalneav>
cor3: How they liking it?
09:29
<cor3>
Great so far
09:29
<sbalneav>
They using it for office stuff?
09:29
<cor3>
not yet
09:29
I switched the call center area over
09:29
<sbalneav>
Ah
09:29
You'll have to give me a tour, I'd love to see.
09:29
But lets wait 'till we're out of the cold snap :)
09:29
<cor3>
next step is getting the warehouse and some office pcs switched over
09:29
LOL ya
09:29
too cold
09:30
<vagrantc>
cor3: etch or lenny?
09:30
<cor3>
a little of both
09:30
<vagrantc>
eeyk.
09:30
<ogra>
uuuh
09:30
<cor3>
moving to lenny though
09:30
ya
09:30
<sbalneav>
to everyone: It was -51c here with the windchill this morning
09:30
<cor3>
ugh is right
09:30
but so far no issues
09:30* ogra has only -7 to report
09:30
<alkisg>
-2 here...
09:30
<cor3>
its too cold
09:31
<sbalneav>
Cripes, even with my car plugged in, it took 15 seconds of cranking to get it started.
09:31
I'm surprised my battery isn't a block of ice.
09:31
<cor3>
oh and holy cross got a new ubuntu server
09:31
<sbalneav>
Oh, did they?
09:31
<cor3>
replaced the old gentoo ltsp server earlier this year
09:31
<sbalneav>
Cool. They're still going strong?
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09:32
<cor3>
yeppers
09:32
way more powerful server
09:32
<sbalneav>
Excellent. They using stock ubuntu, or Edubuntu now?
09:32
<cor3>
edubuntu
09:32
we'll kind of
09:33
lol
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: one of the diskless terminals at went haywire generating about 1GB of logs since 7:14 this morning.
09:49
Jan 14 07:14:56 diskless114 ldm[20184]: sigwaitinfo returned an error
09:52
any quick iptables recipies to block off udp 614 from a particular ip or mac address?
09:53
er, 514
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<cor3>
iptables -I INPUT -p UDP -s $IP --sport 514 -j DROP
10:08
actually its prob dport
10:08
watch -n1 iptables -L INPUT --line-numbers -n -v
10:09
it should have been inserted at the head of the INPUT chain
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10:40
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hey all
10:40
we've had some great submissions for the LTSP logo contest! Please check out: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/contestlogos.html
10:41
<rjune_>
when's the cutoff?
10:42
the penguins are kind of cute.
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
rjune: 2/27/09
10:44
<nubae>
hmmm think I'll have another go at one then :-)
10:44
<kc8pxy>
who here is good with nfs? my nfs is refusing to mount.. perms denied.
10:44
<nubae>
what are u looking for actually, more corporate, more fun?
10:45
<polytan>
re
10:45
I've problem with ldm :
10:45
<CAN-o-SPAM>
well more "logo-esque" ... not necessarily corporate, but certianley not something "funny" to laugh at. it should give a real representation of the project. A logo goes far in peoples cognitive recognition of software/projects/people, etc ... and LTSP in now competeing in a giant marketplace with grow predictions up to $43 billion
10:45
basically nubae we want a sweet logo, to represent everyone and this project ... thats your nutshell anwser
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<polytan>
ERROR : get_userid from greeter failed
10:46
<nubae>
cool, its always good to hear direction...
10:46
<polytan>
johnny, did you see the error before ?
10:46
<CAN-o-SPAM>
i would also say that your first submission is right on track with ideology
10:46
<nubae>
ok kool
10:48
no 3d elemnts I take it, or?
10:49
<polytan>
johnny, ip: command not found
10:49
...
10:49
<CAN-o-SPAM>
sure ... i mean i'm by no means an artist (look at the banner in the rules, heh), but as long as your submissions fits in the rules, we need an SVG/EPS scalable vector graphics file, ideally the logo will go as the logo when you visit the ltsp.org page in the corner of your browser, as well as be used for other things much larger ...
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<rjune_>
CAN-o-SPAM: there a prize other than being the badass that did the ltsp logo?
10:53
<CAN-o-SPAM>
yup, 1420 thin client with HD mounting & PCI card mounting kit 1st prize
10:53
1220 second prize, logitech wireless KB/mouse 3rd
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<polytan>
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11:33
<johnny>
polytan, you'd need iproute2 installed in the client and server..
11:33
i've updated a few things since hte last time you tried
11:33
<polytan>
ok
11:33
I've built a new client today
11:34
emerging ltsp-client, server and all stuff
11:34
new kernel also
11:34
and ldm doesn't want to start
11:34
(I've adde"d iproute2)
11:35
<johnny>
oh.. the new one has the deps for iproute2
11:37
polytan, i'm kinda working on my mail server.. so i'll be in and out
11:39
<polytan>
ok
11:39
do we need nfs-utils ?
11:39
because it isn't installed...
11:40
johnny, do you know if the ldm code has changed ?
11:41
<johnny>
nfs-utils on the server
11:42
you already are that far :)
11:42
i don't know if ldm code has changed in that regard
11:42
<polytan>
I mean on the client
11:42
<johnny>
no
11:42
<polytan>
do you have a doc to set up nbd ?
11:42
<johnny>
the nfs mounting happens before you even get the filesystem/chroot mounted
11:42
polytan, impossible
11:43
with the current initrd
11:43
<polytan>
ok
11:43
<johnny>
it has no nbd client code
11:43
<polytan>
so, I don't know how to specify a lts.conf
11:43
do you ?
11:43
<johnny>
the gentoo initrd doesn't let you do fun stuff like that
11:43
it gets it from the tftproot, just like on fedora
11:43
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/x86/lts.conf
11:43
<polytan>
I put a lts.conf in $TFTPFOLDER/ltsp/x86
11:44
<johnny>
unless you're using dnsmasq.. i had a problem with that once..
11:44
<polytan>
no dnsmask
11:44
<re-G>
i'm working with booting ltsp client via internal wlan
11:44
success with madwifi
11:44
<johnny>
the code in /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup should be pulling it
11:45
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: how many clients have you booted wirelessly?
11:45
<polytan>
johnny, why is there a NBD check device in the init.d script ?
11:45
if we can't use it
11:46
<johnny>
because i hope to get to it eventually
11:46
it's TODO
11:46
<re-G>
only one now.. started testing few days ago
11:46
<polytan>
ok
11:46
the "sed line" doesn't work here
11:46
<johnny>
polytan, likely :)
11:46
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: do you have any environment where you can test multiple clients and have users working on them the whole time?
11:46
<polytan>
hopefullfy, yes jbrett ;)
11:47
hopefullfy, yes johnny ;)
11:49
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: not yet. but maybe soon.. or sometimes :P
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<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: if everything works fine i'll do howto
11:51
<polytan>
johnny, do you know what can make possible the message : "mount: according to mtab, rootfs is already mounted on /"
11:51
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: i'd be very interested in following your findings
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<polytan>
11:52
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: :) this time i success with atheros/madwifi/wpa/aes and one client.
11:53
<johnny>
polytan, that first is not really an error
11:53
shouldn't be a big deal..
11:53
i don't know anything about that awk
11:53
<polytan>
ok
11:54
during the scripts, you check the server ip at ONLY two places ?
11:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: how much testing have you put the one client through? Success just booting? Success operating/in use for "x" hours?
11:55
<polytan>
johnny, I have the right lts.conf now :)
11:55
I had a problem with the sed ligne checking the server => I put it in hard and this part works
11:56
I hope
11:56
but no ldm starting
11:56
and no log
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<johnny>
is ltsp-client in the list of things to be started?
11:58
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: it was up many hours. i run firefox (remote and with localapps), videos etc.
11:58
<johnny>
i wonder what happens when trying to start it manually
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<polytan>
yes, there is ltsp-client in the boot
12:00
<alkisg>
Intrepid, updated recently with stgraber's PPA. I'm trying for the first time to put a USB stick in a client and have it recognised. I've followed all steps from there: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev - all work fine except for the last one, in which I get "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom. Error: /tmp/.username-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted". Help, anyone? :)
12:02
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: any updates, testing help, or anything else please e-mail me: alexc@disklessworkstations.com
12:02
<polytan>
johnny, I have to leav
12:02
good by
12:03
good bye
12:03
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: thanks
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12:07
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: i'm busy next few days but later i can continue testing
12:07
CAN-o-SPAM: i'll send any new information i'll get
12:08
<CAN-o-SPAM>
re-G: great thanks, appreciated.
12:08
<re-G>
CAN-o-SPAM: i have only one atheros so i have to add some other drivers so i can testing multiple clients
12:09
of course kernel must load from local media
12:09
<ogra>
initramfs too
12:09
<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: thinking of bringing in some wifi enabled TCs to dw.com? =)
12:09
<ogra>
and it needs to contain the key
12:10
<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: we'd like to, and have many requests for wireless + ltsp ... but its not there yet ... we could do wireless for our windows or linux embedded offerings
12:11
Lns: if and when wireless eventually works well with ltsp? sitting at a users desk would be a monitor keyboard/mouse, no wires and thats it ... pretty slick!
12:11
<re-G>
ogra: of course :)
12:12
<ogra>
you will need tons of APs to make that work
12:12
and pretty m,assive wlan cards ... 54M are quite restrictive
12:12
<Lns>
ogra: Id imagine so too, for any large scale implementation
12:12
I would think N would be a minimum for something like LTSP
12:13
<ogra>
well, even small ones need a good AP
12:13
<rjune_>
I did ltsp over G
12:13
though the image wa burned to CD
12:13
<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
12:13
<ogra>
yeah, there is no way to do remote booting through wlan
12:14
which somewhat defeats the purpose of ltsp to have central maintenance
12:14
<laga>
ogra: etherboot supports some prism card i have ;) only for unencrypted wlans, too
12:14
<ogra>
you have to maintain them like any desktop workstation install ... just that the desktop runs centralized
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12:14
<ogra>
yeah, encryption is the other issue
12:15* ogra looked various times into wlan ltsp over the years ...
12:16* Gadi watches the Symbiont Boot Stick boot the wireless client in the corner
12:16
<ogra>
:P
12:17
<re-G>
ogra: i think 802.11n have enough bandwidth
12:17
<ogra>
yeah, as i said, you need beefy HW
12:17
<vagrantc>
maintaining boot media is much simpler than maintaining a whole install
12:17
<Gadi>
all depends upon protocol
12:17
for ldm, for sure
12:18* CAN-o-SPAM accidentally drops his Symbiont Boot Stick down the heat vent! Now what?
12:18
<Lns>
lol
12:18
<Gadi>
CAN-o-SPAM: should call support
12:18
<Lns>
you two need to merge.
12:18
<Gadi>
:)
12:18
<CAN-o-SPAM>
hahah good save
12:18* Gadi just urinated on his wireless thin client - now what?
12:18* CAN-o-SPAM wonders why Gadi is doing such things
12:18
<Lns>
get more beer? ;)
12:19
<Gadi>
it all goes back to the beer
12:19
:)
12:19
just follow the stream
12:19
<warren>
Gadi: can't you electrocute yourself that way?
12:20
<vagrantc>
that's why low-powered thin clients are safer!
12:21
<Lns>
>BFG<
12:21
<rjune_>
warren: following the stream of beer will not electrocute you. it may however cause you to produce your own stream. but you should *NEVER* cross the streams
12:21
<Lns>
the benefits of LTSP just keep trickling in (pun intended)
12:21
<Gadi>
and this is why we need more females at BTS
12:22
<rjune_>
uhm. that's wrong on many levels. I don't really think we should go there.
12:22
<Gadi>
otherwise, look at how low we can degenerate
12:22
<Lns>
uhh, so we can pee on them? What kind of idea is that, Gadi?
12:22* Gadi steps away from Lns slowly
12:22
<Lns>
Gadi = R. Kelly
12:23
Gadi: some foresight would have helped with that comment ;)
12:23
<rjune_>
Lns: better foresight than foreskin.
12:23
many of use are lacking both.
12:23
ba dum psh
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12:24
<rjune_>
afternoon gad
12:24
<Lns>
rjune_: I am so not going to keep going with this
12:27
<ninkendo>
has anyone ever had any luck getting LTSP to tunnel through nxproxy from client to server?
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12:28
<ninkendo>
because you can all say what you want, but I *know* nx is faster than LTSP, even on the LAN. I notice this especially with matlab and sun's express development studio
12:29
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: well, it can't be faster *than* LTSP because you can use it *with* LTSP. :P
12:30
<Lns>
ninkendo: NX != LTSP at all... its way different
12:30
<ninkendo>
er, lemme rephrase that
12:30
nx is faster than the default X11 protocol
12:30
<Lns>
ahh, ic now ;)
12:30
<ninkendo>
and I have LDM_DIRECTX turned on
12:30* Lns wants an LDM_NX var ;)
12:30
<warren>
ninkendo: I posted about this on ltsp-developer ~1 month ago
12:31
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: there's definitely people who use it with LTSP, though i heard recent versions have issues with modern X.org
12:31
<ninkendo>
warren: what's a good archive for that list?
12:31
<warren>
ninkendo: it works, but it is really unstable because NX sucks, and latency goes really high
12:31
<ninkendo>
I'm not subscribed
12:31
<warren>
like 30+ seconds for clicks to respond when things get very busy
12:32
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: maybe search for "ltsp-develoepr@lists.sourceforge.net"
12:32
<warren>
oh, and while I fixed up the script a bit, I don't see a secure way of doing it.
12:33
<Lns>
i've heard NX is really not scalable either
12:33
ive only tried it myself with 1 test client
12:33
<ninkendo>
"I've heard"
12:33
means nothing to me
12:34
<Lns>
ninkendo: do you have any opposing evidence?
12:34
<ninkendo>
no, but neither do you
12:34
<Lns>
lol
12:34
so we're both up shit creek.
12:34
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ninkendo: what is your reason for running NX on top of LTSP?
12:34* vagrantc is doing fine without NX
12:34
<ninkendo>
CAN-o-SPAM: matlab works great over nx, and is horridly slow over ltsp
12:34
<vagrantc>
no creek at all
12:34
<ninkendo>
I blame it on the number of abstractions in matlab's gui stack between the actual X commands and what matlab thinks it's doing
12:35
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: over ldm
12:35
<ninkendo>
yes
12:35
over ldm
12:35
my only guess is that there's way more no-op X drawing commands being sent between client and server, and NX is just compressing it all away
12:36
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ninkendo: ok ... but why do you need LTSP?
12:36
<ninkendo>
also, sun's studio express is slow as hell
12:36
CAN-o-SPAM: thin client labs
12:36
this is a .edu
12:36
<Lns>
ninkendo: what would nx have over ltsp in a lan?
12:36
<CAN-o-SPAM>
<--- has customers using NX with branches all over the US ... works great
12:36
<ninkendo>
I mean, I suppose they can just boot into windows and run nx client, but that's kinda lam
12:36
<Lns>
speed is a non issue for ltsp
12:36
<ninkendo>
Lns: I just explained this.
12:36
Lns: no
12:36
it is
12:36
<Lns>
not for me =)
12:37
<ninkendo>
I just explained this.
12:37
run matlab
12:37
or sun studio
12:37
these applications _in_specific_ are giving me trouble
12:37
other apps are fine.
12:37
<Lns>
ninkendo: high graphically intensive apps?
12:37
<ninkendo>
no
12:37
poorly written
12:37
<johnny>
yay open source..
12:37
<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
12:37
<ninkendo>
they're not open source
12:37
<vagrantc>
in any case, you can run NX on LTSP.
12:37
<Lns>
isnt that an app problem, not an ltsp/nx one?
12:37
<ninkendo>
yes
12:37
<vagrantc>
you just need a screen script to start up NX.
12:37
<ninkendo>
but it's not like I can say "lol, let's all just not use matlab!"
12:39
and since nx *works*, and works *fast*, on the *same hardware* that is running ldm, I figure an NX tunnel would be a good option
12:39
<Lns>
ninkendo: what makes matlab so slow in ltsp vs nx?
12:39
i still dont get it :(
12:40
<johnny>
lots of bad interactions with X it sounds like..
12:40
<Lns>
oh ok
12:40
<ninkendo>
matlab 2006 was fine
12:40
<Lns>
so the apps are driven toward single user setups (like lots of stuff these days unfortunately)
12:40
<ninkendo>
2007b is the first one that really sucks
12:40
<johnny>
Lns, sure
12:40
<Lns>
what about localapps?
12:40
<ninkendo>
and since 90% of the reason everyone uses the thin clients is for matlab, it's kind of killing our thin clients
12:40
<johnny>
probably require thin clients with 2GB ram or something
12:40
<ninkendo>
nobody's using them anymore because they suck at matlab
12:40
localapps for matlab?
12:40
ha!
12:41
not with 16gb calculations
12:41
<johnny>
too bad you couldn't tell matlab to do the calculations on the server while running on the client..
12:41
altho the initial image download would be heinous .
12:43
<warren>
what the hell is matlab doing high bandwidth?
12:43
over X
12:44
<ninkendo>
...
12:44
we've been over this
12:44
the answer is I don't know
12:45
their GUI stack is wastefully performing X drawing commands when it doesn't need to, is my best guess
12:46
believe it or not, the X protocol is only as good as the software using it
12:47
<Lns>
ninkendo: that's par for the course regarding LOTS of apps. They need to go back to X roots and provide functionality for local and remote sessions.
12:48
Makes me sick to see so many things not work on remote x
12:48
<ninkendo>
the X protocol is supposed to be network transparent
12:48
but the problem is, developers write their apps, don't test for remote X use cases, and thus don't realize that they may be performing way too many wasteful drawing commands
12:48
<Lns>
brb
12:49
<vagrantc>
it is network transparent. that doesn't mean that it is immune to stupid programming.
12:49
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: how many concurrent NX sessions have you ever tried with matlab? Just one?
12:49
<ninkendo>
this is especially an issue with cross-platform developers that write their own little wrappers that will compile for gtk, gdi, quartz, etc.
12:49
their gtk layer always ends up being a horrible, horrible hack
12:50
sbalneav: at any given time there can be 20 or so people using NX for matlab from home
12:50
but here's the kicker
12:50
nobody ever uses the thin clients anymore for this exact reason
12:50
matlab's a slow piece of shit over the X protocol
12:50
(over the network, that is)
12:50
<sbalneav>
So matlab doesn't doesn't do a lot of onscreen animation, then?
12:51
<ninkendo>
so when I'm testing matlab from my thin client, I'm the *only* user
12:51
<vagrantc>
NX uses the X protocol...
12:51
<sbalneav>
So, I guess my question is: what is it you're looking for from us?
12:51
<ninkendo>
vagrantc: that's a horrible choice of words
12:51
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: yes, that was a horrible choice of words, which is why i said that.
12:51
<ninkendo>
it compresses the X protocol by throwing away drawing commands that don't have any effect on the client
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<SDuensin>
Hello all.
12:52
<ninkendo>
*sigh*
12:52
<sbalneav>
SDuensin: Hello
12:52
<ninkendo>
13:28:34 < ninkendo> has anyone ever had any luck getting LTSP to tunnel through nxproxy from client to server?
12:52
<vagrantc>
ninkendo: at any rate, what it sounds like you want is an NX screen scripts and instructions how to install NX on your thing clients.
12:52
<ninkendo>
followed by a bunch of dog piling
12:52
"lol why do you want to use nx lol"
12:52
<SDuensin>
Anyone know how to disable the server's graphical console and still allow clients to connect? On Ubuntu with GDM?
12:53
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: I don't think anyone dog piled you.
12:53
<vagrantc>
SDuensin: by default, it doesn't use GDM at all...
12:53
<sbalneav>
I think people were just trying to understand why you needed it.
12:53
<vagrantc>
and get clarifications on poor choices of words.
12:53
<johnny>
vagrantc, server console.. not client console..
12:53
<nubae>
CAN-o-SPAM: u should have another logo email in your box, take a look
12:53
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: ok cool :)
12:53
<johnny>
SDuensin, just ignore it.. it's not worth the hassle of disabling..
12:53
<vagrantc>
johnny: right.
12:53
<sbalneav>
SDuensin: Yeah, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
12:54
<johnny>
you might need it someday
12:54
<CAN-o-SPAM>
To All: on a lighter note ... check the new logo submissions @ http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/contestlogos.html
12:54
<SDuensin>
So I don't even need GDM for LTSP clients to connect?
12:55
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: how about no border ...?
12:55
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: A quick google reveals:
12:55
http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/freenx-knx/2007-October/005931.html
12:55
<nubae>
yup one sec...
12:55
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, the bottom left one is really cool
12:55
looks moder and fresh and seems to be scalable to any size
12:55
*modern
12:55
<SDuensin>
I want a text server console so adventurous people are scared to use it. :-)
12:56
<johnny>
SDuensin, just don't give em the root password..
12:56
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: the link's older, and may need some hacking, however, from a quick look at it, it seems to do roughly what you want.
12:56
<johnny>
err admin password
12:56* Gadi agrees with ogra - though may be expensive to print
12:56
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: yes i agree some look a little distorted thanks to my excellent HTML skills
12:56
<ogra>
yeah, you need a grayscale version
12:56
<johnny>
then they just won't be ale to use it..
12:56
<nubae>
sent
12:56
<SDuensin>
johnny - I don't want them on the server AT ALL.
12:56
<ogra>
CAN-o-SPAM, well, i know how to right click in firefox ;)
12:56
<CAN-o-SPAM>
heh
12:57
<johnny>
SDuensin, if they have no account.. then they won't be able to do anything
12:57
SDuensin, please don't remove gdm.. you will regret it
12:57
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: you want artist name as "nubae" or "david"
12:57
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: Still there? Get the link?
12:57
<SDuensin>
johnny - I don't want X on the server. It's not needed. Server is going to be in a closet.
12:58
And I don't want to remove GDM - just not let it fire up X locally.
12:58
<johnny>
well, what you suggested should work
12:58
remove it from the runlevels..
12:58
<nubae>
It dont matter to me :-)
12:58
<Gadi>
SDuensin: comment out the line in gdm.conf
12:58
0 = Standard
12:58
thats all you need
12:58
<johnny>
Gadi, how is that better than removing it from the runlevel?
12:58
<SDuensin>
Gadi - Comment that and disable the X11 stuff during boot?
12:59
<Gadi>
well, gdm will run in case you want XDMCP
12:59
just no local X
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<SDuensin>
That's what I want. :-)
12:59
Trying.
12:59
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: better with out the border ... agreed?
12:59
<ogra>
Gadi, in some releases apps have probs if the socket isnt available
12:59
<johnny>
find /etc/rc* -iname '*servicename*' -exec rm {} \; is what i often do.. i can never remover the silly rcd syntax..
13:00
<ogra>
i would suggest leaving gdm running on the server
13:00
<johnny>
see.. sanity ..
13:00
<Gadi>
ogra: zactly
13:00
so do what I said
13:00
:)
13:00
<nubae>
yeah much better :-)
13:00
<ogra>
oh, the process and socket are there ....
13:00
just no display
13:00
clever !
13:00
<Gadi>
:)
13:00
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: you have SVG formats? what program u design in?
13:01
<Gadi>
another day another hack
13:01
<nubae>
I havea tendency to want to box things in
13:01
yeah its all inkscape
13:01
vector galore
13:01
<SDuensin>
Thanks, Gadi (and everyone else).
13:01
<Gadi>
cheers
13:01
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: Did you see the link I posted?
13:03
<ninkendo>
just a sec
13:03
busy
13:03
<SDuensin>
Grr. X still started on reboot. With an error that no servers were defined and XDMCP is disabled.
13:03
<nubae>
CAN-o-SPAM: I keep wanting to use a mascot... but nothing really comes to mind
13:03
I thought maybe a rhino
13:04
<ogra>
theer is no LTSP orilley book yet, is there ?
13:04
<Gadi>
SDuensin: try setting 0 = None
13:04
<nubae>
u thinking of writing it?
13:04
<Gadi>
or comment out the command in the [Standard] section
13:04
weird that it started X anyway
13:05
gdm keeps changing the way things work
13:05
<SDuensin>
Trying "None" first.
13:05
<Gadi>
on Intrepid, I simply comment out 0=Standard
13:05
and X doesnt start
13:05
<CAN-o-SPAM>
nubae: el' lobstero
13:05
<SDuensin>
I never remember which bird name I'm running. This is 8.10. :-)
13:05
<Gadi>
yeah - thats intrepid
13:06
<nubae>
3rd one will be with a lobster then :-)
13:06
<Gadi>
why did X come up for you?
13:06
it shouldnt have
13:06
<SDuensin>
Hell, with "None" I even get a GDM login.
13:07
<Gadi>
can you pastebot your gdm.conf?
13:07
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
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13:07
<Gadi>
maybe you are commenting out the wrong thing
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<SDuensin>
I can't copy the entire thing out of my terminal. :-( It's line 605, #0=Standard device=/dev/console
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<Gadi>
ah, look at 588
13:08
comment that out
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<SDuensin>
It is. That's just part of the docs in my file.
13:09
<Gadi>
ah, ok
13:09
<SDuensin>
Commenting out the server definition, too. If that doesn't work, I'll find a way to past the file.
13:11
<johnny>
SDuensin, install wgetpaste
13:11
or something like it
13:11
<SDuensin>
What's that?
13:13
Ah. Found pastebinit.
13:13
http://pastebin.com/fdebdc71
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<Gadi>
SDuensin: try uncommenting line 605 and 619-622
13:25
change 621 to:
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command=true
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or better,
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command=sleep 1000
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that oughtta do it
13:27
<SDuensin>
Trying.
13:28
I was debating trying that myself. Glad to see I'm not totally on crack.
13:30
<Gadi>
u mean ur not the only one
13:31
<SDuensin>
hehe
13:33* alkisg has a hunch that setting LDM_DIRECTX=True breaks local apps...
13:34
<alkisg>
s/localapps/localdev
13:34
<SDuensin>
No dice, Gadi. I'm wondering if the non-free nvidia crap is causing problems?
13:34
<Gadi>
could be
13:35
<SDuensin>
I'll kill 'em and see.
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<quickslip>
does anyone have any doco on installing VNC on LTSP
13:40
<alkisg>
Bah... end result: When I boot a client and plug a USB stick, it doesn't get mounted. When I boot a client with the stick _already_ plugged in, I see it on the desktop and can access it normally. Any advice on how to fix this?
13:41
<Gadi>
alkisg: sounds like a udev issue
13:42
<alkisg>
Gadi, when I'm on the TC console and plug in the stick I see messages... that's udev working, isn't it?
13:42
<Gadi>
nope
13:42
thats the kernel
13:42
<alkisg>
Ah. So I should look in /etc/udev/rules?
13:43
<Gadi>
you can run udevmonitor
13:43
and watch udev do stuff
13:43
ur running stgraber's ppa?
13:43* Gadi wonders what version of ltsp that is
13:43
<alkisg>
(The step in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev - /var/run/ltspfs_fstab containing /dev/sda1 /var/run/drives/usbdisk-sda1 vfat defaults 0 0 *did* happen though)
13:44
Intrepid, with the latest updates from stgraber PPAs
13:44* alkisg is testing with udevmonitor...
13:44
<ninkendo>
sbalneav: thanks for the link
13:45
I tried it out... installed nxclient to the ltsp image, and just tried running it from the console, and it worked just fine
13:45
except it got oom killed.
13:45
so maybe NX isn't the best choice for our disklessworkstations that have 92 megs of RAM
13:46
<SDuensin>
hehehe
13:46
<ninkendo>
but it works great on a dell machine rebooted into LTSP
13:46
<SDuensin>
Using the scrips from the mailing list?
13:46
<ninkendo>
matlab is actually useable, and so is sun studio
13:46
no, I just tried it out manually by doing pkill ldm; export DISPLAY=:6; /usr/NX/bin/nxclient
13:47
<alkisg>
Gadi, what package is udevmonitor in?
13:47
<SDuensin>
Cool.
13:47
<ninkendo>
then just running through the wizardand connecting to our server
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<Gadi>
LTSP is all about choices
13:48
:)
13:48
<alkisg>
I can't find any udevmonitor executable...
13:48
<Gadi>
sorry
13:48
try udevadm monitor
13:49
<alkisg>
OK, I saw 2 screens full of UDEV messages :)
13:49
<Gadi>
alkisg: what part actually fails with ur localdev?
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<alkisg>
The stick doesn't get mounted, I can't see it anywhere
13:50
<Gadi>
no, in the troubleshooting
13:50
<alkisg>
Ah, the last one
13:50
Step 4, manual mounting
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<Gadi>
!localdev
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<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
13:50
<Gadi>
hmmm...
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<alkisg>
I get "Couldn't read LTSPFS_TOKEN atom. Error: /tmp/.username-ltspfs/tmp is not mounted"
13:51
I used #4
13:51
<Gadi>
ah, ur ltspfs_token is not set
13:51
<alkisg>
And why/how do I fix it? :)
13:51
<Gadi>
that happens in an ldm rc.d script
13:52
1 sec, 1 sec
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: the instructions are out of date...
13:52
<alkisg>
vagrantc: there were some wrong paths / filenames, but I guess I followed them as closely as I could
13:52
<vagrantc>
alkisg: predates the rudimentary security mechanism sbalneav implemented
13:53
<alkisg>
Hm... so more ssh options I guess, eh?
13:53
<Gadi>
ls /usr/share/ldm/rc.d
13:53
on the client
13:54
<alkisg>
S05-set-ltspfs_token ?
13:54
(and 10 other scripts in there)
13:54
<Gadi>
right
13:54
thats the one
13:54
should be setting the token
13:55
alkisg: did you install all of ltspfs's packages
13:55
?
13:56
er,
13:56
all of stgraber's pkgs
13:56
<alkisg>
Uh... I did all the updates... :-D
13:56
Did I have to manually install something?
13:56* Gadi shrugs
13:56* Gadi looks to stgraber
13:57
<alkisg>
Thanks so far, testing with S05-set-ltspfs_token...
13:59
Yup. I ran S05-set-ltspfs_token, and next time I plugged in the stick it worked fine.
13:59
Maybe it's a problem with the underscore?
13:59
Is it a valid character for run-scripts or whatever these are called?
14:03
<SDuensin>
This is strange stuff. If I replace that "command" entry with "sleep", X still starts and I get "Ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode".
14:05* SDuensin gives up
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<alkisg>
No, changing the underscore to - didn't fix it. Is ldm.c running these scripts?
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<Gadi>
alkisg: are there any earlier scripts to that one in rc.d?
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<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<alkisg>
Gadi, ^
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<Gadi>
I wonder if any of those 3 scripts has a nonzero return
14:12
<alkisg>
If it does, will it stop ldm-script execution?
14:12
<Gadi>
you said it worked with LDM_DIRECTX=False?
14:12
<alkisg>
No, my mistake, LDM_DIRECTX doesn't have anything to do with this
14:13
It only works if I have already plugged in the usb stick before turning on the client
14:13
<Gadi>
do you have LOCAL_APPS enabled?
14:14
<alkisg>
I don't have an entry for it in lts.conf, so whatever's the default
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<johnny>
it's not default on in ubuntu..
14:14
iirc
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<Gadi>
I think you need to ask stgraber
14:15
<johnny>
or use the src
14:15
<sbalneav>
SDuensin: Like I said: update-rc.d -f gdm remove, and if you ever need to re-enable it: update-rc.d gdm defaults :)
14:15
<Gadi>
since his PPA reflects what he is planning to do
14:15
<alkisg>
OK, thanks Gadi. I'll try to debug and/or contact stgraber. You've helped me pinpoint this, though! :)
14:16
I think it also happens with plain intrepid, without stgraber's PPA
14:16
<Gadi>
FYI: If any script returns nonzero at the end, it will not run any subsequent scripts
14:16
since they are all sourced
14:16
<alkisg>
I'll try to see if that's the problem
14:17
<Gadi>
you can try putting "true" at the end of each file preceding that in rc.d
14:17
and see if it fixes it
14:17* Gadi wonders if we shouldn't get in the habit of just doing that
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<eghie>
hello
14:19
where does LTSP store it's session data?
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<sbalneav>
eghie: Are you talking things like the .Xauthority? Or the gnome session?
14:19
<eghie>
the python-tcm package is using ps to search for LTSP_CLIENT
14:20
<alkisg>
Gadi, like this? . ${DIR}/${SCRIPT} || true
14:20
<sbalneav>
All desktop stuff runs on the server.
14:20
<eghie>
sbalneav, I want to see a list on what users are logged in from which machines
14:20
<sbalneav>
w
14:20
or who
14:20
should tell you this.
14:20
<eghie>
and use it in a program
14:21
yes I know w show me this
14:21
<sbalneav>
sbalneav@sputnik:~$ w 14:21:54 up 28 days, 4:22, 39 users, load average: 0.56, 0.77, 0.75
14:21
<eghie>
but I'm searching for the alternatives I have to search for the sessions
14:21
<Gadi>
alkisg: no
14:21
<eghie>
because i'm programming a JAVA program which is using that session info
14:22
<Gadi>
alkisg: I mean as the last line of each script in rc.d before the S10...
14:22
<alkisg>
Ah.... sucks! Thanks!
14:22
<Gadi>
so, at the bottom of: S01-localapps
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for example
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<Gadi>
eghie: LTSP does not store session data
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it simply runs ssh + desktop
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your best bet is to use wtmp
14:24
<sbalneav>
eghie: right, no data as to which session is selected by the user is stored anywhere
14:24
you'll have to parse it out from the PS list
14:24
<Gadi>
or, you can write something to run on the client and log what you need to the server
14:25
stgraber does this in ltsp-cluster
14:25
<eghie>
sbalneav, ok, so that's the only way for now?
14:25
<Gadi>
so the cluster knows who logged in where and what state the client is in
14:25
yup
14:25
<sbalneav>
yes
14:25
<eghie>
sbalneav, maybe I could develop something for it though
14:25
<CAN-o-SPAM>
If you need a good laugh: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_stuptech.shtml
14:26
<sbalneav>
eghie: You're always welcome to contribute.
14:30
<eghie>
cool
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<eghie>
could use /etc/Xsession.d for it
14:31
<dmhardison>
what is the easiest way to build a minimal image, ie I dont really want x and all this other stuff.
14:31
<sbalneav>
dmhardison: build a minimal image of what?
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<dmhardison>
of the boot os image.
14:32
<sbalneav>
Well, you'd have to do it all manually.
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<dmhardison>
when i use ltsp-build-client, it generates and image, but it installs a bunch of extra applications i don't want to use.
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<sbalneav>
What os are you using?
14:32
<dmhardison>
ubuntu.
14:33
<sbalneav>
ok, well, what applications end up in the chroot that you don't want? X you say? Are you setting up characcter terminals?
14:34
<PlaidTiger_>
Trying K12LTSP-Live F10 spin2, client starts to boot, brings up kernel, then shows "Could not find root-path dhcp option. mount: missing mount point"
14:34
<sbalneav>
PlaidTiger_: You might want to check out the docs, there's a section on setting up for fedora in there:
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!docs
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sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<sbalneav>
dmhardison: Well, there's no penalty to having the extra stuff there, other than the (relatively small) amount of disk space it uses up.
14:36
So, unless you want to hack up the ltsp-build-client scripts yourself, I'd say don't worry about it :)
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<alkisg>
It turns out that /var/run/ltspfs_token only gets created *after* I plug a usb-stick in. So ldm/rc.d/S05-set-ltspfs_token cannot set the token upon logon.
14:38
What creates /var/run/ltspfs_token, so that I try to see why it doesn't create it sooner?
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<sbalneav>
alkisg: I beleive the script in /etc/rc.d that starts ltspfsd
14:41
Cant remember the name, off the top of my head
14:42
<alkisg>
sbalneav: grep -r "ltspfs_token" /etc/* doesn't return anything... I found a reference of ltspfs_token in /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common, though
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<sbalneav>
Maybe it's moved. When I first wrote it, I put it there, but others have had their fingers in it since then. :)
14:44
<alkisg>
:)
14:45
<kc8pxy>
johnny: mind if a bug yu just a little more? nfs on the server side is not working, and we can't figure out why :-(
14:46
<johnny>
ask somebody else
14:46
kc8pxy, did you try connecting via some other machine?
14:47
<kc8pxy>
johnny: yeah, tried connection g from the server, as well as the vbox client.
14:47
<sbalneav>
kc8pxy: NFS servers running? nfsd? portmap? mountd?
14:47
what does showmount -a give you?
14:47
<kc8pxy>
johnny: been in #gentoo trying to diagnose the nfs for a while
14:48
sbalneav: does it take a while?
14:48
<sbalneav>
does what take a while?
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: /etc/init.d/nfs start ends with errors. /var/log/messages says nfssvc not implimented. and it kills the nfs process.
14:49
blade opt # showmount -a
14:49
showmount: RPC: Timed out
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<sbalneav>
Wow, johnny says "ask someone else", I try to help, and am ignored. OK.
14:52
<johnny>
kc8pxy, set nonv4 or whatever useflag ?
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: didn't know it was needed.. one sec.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: i appreciate you =)
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<kc8pxy>
sbalneav: you were not ignored.
15:00
sbalneav: it tiemd out.
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<alkisg>
I caught the bug! /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup has an older configure_localdev() function which overrides the newer configure_localdev() function of the sourced /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-init-common, so ltspfs_token doesn't get created.
15:12
stgraber, there are some other functions in S32ltsp-client-setup that I think are older versions and should be removed, ^^^
15:14
<ninkendo>
update:
15:14
nx works fucking flawlessly
15:14
there's a config option to limit its cache size
15:14
perfect for disklessworkstations
15:14
sbalneav: thanks again
15:15
nx's session support even gives me the equivalent of hotdesking from sunrays
15:15
<kc8pxy>
johnny: still have nfssvc not implimented
15:15
<sbalneav>
ninkendo: did you create a screen script for it?
15:15
<ninkendo>
sbalneav: yep
15:16
now all I have to do is change the xsetroot part of the screen script to put a nice background image behind the nomachine prompt
15:16
<sbalneav>
Care to contribute it, and possibly some docs on how you set it up, so it can be included in upstream?
15:17
<ninkendo>
heh, that page is actually all I needed
15:17
that and running dpkg -i nxclient-blah.deb from the chroot
15:17
but yeah, after some fine tuning I'll submit it to the wiki
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, maybe you don't have nfs in your kernel config?
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<ninkendo>
sbalneav: plus, I'm using the commercial nxclient from nomachine's website
15:20
so I doubt it can just be included in upstream
15:20
<sbalneav>
No, but the script can be
15:20
<kc8pxy>
johnny: gar..
15:21
<sbalneav>
and instructions on how to set it up are fine as well.
15:21
<kc8pxy>
johnny: prefered as module or compiled in?
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<johnny>
kc8pxy, doesn't matter
15:22
you need the server support, not just client
15:23
<kc8pxy>
johnny: acl extensions?
15:25
YAY!!!
15:25* kc8pxy runs to test the client
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<alkisg>
As far as I can see, this localdev bug should affect all intrepid setups. Is anyone using interpid able to use usb sticks on the clients?
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<kc8pxy>
should i keep it read-only, or make it rw? and if i should keep it RO, how to i get it to not blow chunks on startup?
15:46
<johnny>
ro
15:46
what is blowing chunks?
15:46
alkisg, yes..
15:46
works fine here
15:47
<alkisg>
johnny: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 && dpkg -l ltsp-client-core ?
15:47
<johnny>
i'm not there
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<johnny>
i'm using whatever came with intrepid
15:49
<alkisg>
So, 5.1.29-0ubuntu3, which as far as I can see also has this problem (old function overriding the new one)
15:51
johnny: could you please ping me whenever you're there and have a couple of minutes to spare?
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<kc8pxy>
johnny: it should drop me to a gui, yes? i'm at a console , and mktemp, depcache and deptree are complaining they an't change things.
16:13
<johnny>
depcache???
16:13
try running rc-status with no arguments
16:13
in the chroot on the server
16:14
i have to go for a bit again.. showertime
16:14
<kc8pxy>
* Caching service dependencies ... [ ok ] * Could not locate current runlevel in /var/lib/init.d/softlevel * Assuming current runlevel is 'single'
16:14
<johnny>
sure.. that's fine
16:15
since you're not actually in a running system
16:15
<kc8pxy>
how do i get a gui from here?
16:15
<johnny>
it should come up
16:15
if it doesn't.. youre gonna have to dig more
16:15
and as i keep mentioning.. i have no ltsp setup to work with
16:15
to try to verify this situation
16:15
i need a new hard drive
16:16* kc8pxy thinks he might need to do a new ltsp-build-client .. i monkeyied with the permissions, trying to get the nfs to work.
16:16
<johnny>
possibly..
16:16
at least you have all the cached packages already downloaded
16:16
so it should go much quicker
16:16
downloaded and built..
16:16
that is
16:17
let me know when you do that
16:17
i have to go for a bit
16:17
dinner and whatnot
16:17
<kc8pxy>
kk
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16:39
<Lns>
!doc
16:39
<ltspbot`>
Lns: Error: "doc" is not a valid command.
16:39
<Lns>
!documentation
16:39
<ltspbot`>
Lns: Error: "documentation" is not a valid command.
16:39
<Lns>
blargh
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<alkisg>
!docs
16:49
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
16:49
<alkisg>
Lns, ^^^
16:49
<Lns>
alkisg: thx =)
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<stgraber>
alkisg: about your bug report, did you look at client/initscripts/ in ltsp-trunk ?
17:11
alkisg: I guess the bug is actually there as I usually sync our init scripts with these then apply the ubuntu-specific bits on it
17:11
<alkisg>
stgraber, no, I didn't check the initscripts in ltsp-trunk
17:12
I'm not that familiar with all the packaging stuff! :)
17:12
<stgraber>
my goal is to just use the upstream ones at some point, it's already true for ltsp-client-core but not for ltsp-client-setup
17:13
<alkisg>
ltsp-client-setup looks very "ancient" to me, I guess some functions should be deleted... A quick hack that worked for me was to include the common scripts AFTER defining the local functions
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19:18
<kc8pxy>
johnny: basically the same errors, i can't copy/paste, because i don't have gpm in the ltsp yet.
19:45
<johnny>
install wgetpaste in the chroot.. or something similiar
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<johnny>
no /var/log/ldm.log ?
19:49
<Ryan52>
wgetpaste?
19:50
oh, I see.
19:59
<johnny>
Ryan52, very useful
20:01* Ryan52 uses pastbinit, and previously (before pastbinit got support for it, thanks stgraber! :D), a custom script for slexy.org
20:01
<johnny>
i'd be happy with whatever has the least deps
20:01
pastebinit is probably fine
20:02
i just picked what i saw in the repos and what some other developers recommended to me
20:02
<Ryan52>
wgetpaste isn't in Debian, so ya.
20:02
<johnny>
i don't think pastebinit is in gentoo
20:02
hehe
20:02
<Ryan52>
heh. that explains it :)
20:02
<johnny>
or maybe it is now..
20:02
but wasn't when i looked
20:02
wgetpaste does have alot of options
20:02
i'll have to compare them
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<johnny>
warrentastic
20:05
welcome..
20:13
<kc8pxy>
johnny: i can't even get in.. var/log/messages in the chroot will have it?
20:18
<Ryan52>
pastebinit is brokenish anyway, I think...
20:18
config file doesn't work right.
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<Ryan52>
stgraber: http://slexy.org/view/s20ybY9WxK
20:24
<kc8pxy>
gar.
20:26
johnny: readonly fs is making everything goofy.
20:51
<johnny>
kc8pxy, no.. it shouldn't
20:51
i've done it with ro
20:51
wfm
20:51
you're gonna have to tell me what exactly is going on
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21:00
<johnny>
test
21:04
<Ryan52>
test
21:04
:P
21:05
<warren>
test
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<kc8pxy>
first goof is when it tries to remount r/w. scrolled too far.. one sec.
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<Ryan52>
kc8pxy, he's gone..
21:15
<kc8pxy>
Ryan52: :-( he'll be back :)
21:17
/sbin/update-modules goofs trying to update the modules by hand, because modprobe.conf is ro.
21:17
<Ryan52>
$ whatis update-modules
21:17
update-modules (8) - obsolete command
21:17
hrm
21:17* Ryan52 shrugs
21:18
<Ryan52>
oh, Debian only stuff, I guess.
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21:50
<monteslu>
woohoo flameware on k12osn :)
21:50
been a long time since anyone showed a pulse on that list
21:54
<Ryan52>
hrm. looks interesting.
21:55
s/looks/sounds/
21:55
<monteslu>
apparently there is a coming demise for linux
21:56
I didn't get the memo until just now, I guess
21:57
<Ryan52>
orly?
21:57* Ryan52 didn't either :P
22:00
<monteslu>
ping warren
22:01
<warren>
I'm not here.
22:01
what's up?
22:02
<monteslu>
hehe, we went over the bridge stuff 4 or so months ago
22:02
maybe 5
22:02
I don't like it :)
22:02
<warren>
You aren't forced to use it.
22:02
<monteslu>
everything else rocks though
22:02
i know, i spent an evening turning it off
22:03
<warren>
Configuring it to not use the bridge is no more difficult than configuring networking on K12LTSP was.
22:03
<monteslu>
sure it is
22:03
try using one NIC
22:03
<warren>
how so?
22:03
<monteslu>
it doesn't work
22:03
I cant just delete the interface
22:03
<warren>
I never understood, how do you use it one NIC without fucking your existing network?
22:03
<monteslu>
it is my network
22:04
my ltsp server was my dhcp server
22:04
another box is my filter
22:04
i dont need it to be a firewall
22:05
<warren>
For one, there is NOTHING about the bridge different in capability than doing it directly to the eth interface.
22:05
after you add eth0 to the bridge, ignore eth0's existence
22:05
configure everythig else as if ltspbr0 were eth0
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<warren>
At that point, it is exactly the same level of difficulty to configure everything as K12LTSP.
22:06
<monteslu>
no, some things are easier
22:06
but this is an extra step
22:06
i could never get localapps to work on k12ltsp
22:06
half the time sound didn't work
22:07
but back to the bridge
22:07
<warren>
Attach eth0 to the bridge, treat ltspbr0 as the real interface
22:07
<monteslu>
that's what I was missing I guess
22:07
I couldn't find the easy attach=true option
22:07
<warren>
Alternatively, edit ifcfg-ltspbr0 so it has no IP address, and reconfigure all the services to use eth0's network
22:08
attach meaning what?
22:08
<monteslu>
that's the route i took
22:08
exactly, I don't know what you mean by attach eth0 to the bridge
22:08
<warren>
after turning off the bridge, reconfiguring everything is still the same problem as it was with K12LTSP
22:08
monteslu: then you didn't bother to read our docs.
22:08
<monteslu>
yes I did
22:09
<warren>
monteslu: things should be better with F-11, the GUI will make it simple to assign interfaces to bridges.
22:09
<monteslu>
I printed everything out and had it in front of me
22:09
in fact, you were holding my hand through half of it
22:09
I think you were recovering from some operation though
22:10
<warren>
monteslu: https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/NetworkSetup
22:10
You will need to setup ltspbr0 so that it associates with the correct network card on boot. Using a text editor, open /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethN where the "N" in ethN is the ethernet interface facing your terminals, add BRIDGE=ltspbr0, and make sure that NM_CONTROLLED=no and ONBOOT=yes. Then restart the service network and NetworkManager, either from System -> Administration -> Services in the GUI, or by running service network restart
22:10
and service NetworkManager restart in the terminal as the root user.
22:10* warren wonders who wrote this, it is needlessly complicated.
22:10* warren rips out half of this page
22:12
<monteslu>
The difference in k12ltsp was that I just disabled one NIC and everything went through eth0, I did't have to configure anything other than the IP settings
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<warren>
monteslu: I'm sorry, you seem to be referring to a poor understanding of how the operating system works.
22:15
<monteslu>
ouch
22:15
you have me confused with moon
22:16
<warren>
monteslu: in any case, if you had only managed to attach the bridge to the eth0, you might have realized how simple it is now.
22:17
<monteslu>
I've been using ltsp for a long time. The bridge made it more complicated, than it needed to be. I have things like vmware and cisco routers to section of network segments to keep dhcp from giving addresses to unintended clients
22:18
<warren>
This means you lack an understanding of what the bridge is.
22:18
<monteslu>
dude, I asked you about this months ago
22:18
<warren>
and you didn't understand it back then either.
22:18
<monteslu>
is it or is it not like a vmware bridge?
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<warren>
well confusingly vmware's bridge is more complicated than this.
22:19
vmware has 2 or 3 different types of bridges.
22:19
<monteslu>
it has exactly one network bridge
22:19
so is it like that?
22:19
<warren>
(depending on how you configure vmware that is true)
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<monteslu>
ok, here's my understanding of bridges:
22:21
i have a physical NIC. I can create a bridge in vmware and i can have the guests use that for their network interface and it sends traffic to the correct host or guest
22:21
is that wrong?
22:21
<warren>
vmware overloaded the meaning of "bridge"
22:22
vmware has an entirely different thing that they call a bridge
22:22
<monteslu>
I
22:23
I'm seriously not trying to be a smartass here. I'm trying to get to the bottom of why this was such a pain for me to setup. If my understanding of it is wrong, that's fine.
22:23
<warren>
monteslu: all of your grief is stemming from failing to follow the directoins on the wiki that has been there for 9+ months.
22:23
monteslu: attach the ethX to ltspbr0 is the most difficult thing about setting up k12linux.
22:23
it is as difficult as adding two lines to ifcfg-eth0
22:24
<monteslu>
there was no directions for doing this with one NIC
22:24
<warren>
one NIC requires you to do additional manual configuration anyway
22:24
<monteslu>
i did that and got no response from the dhcp server to my clients
22:24
exactly!
22:24
it did not with k12ltsp
22:24
<warren>
was iptables running?
22:24
you likely had iptables blocking dhcp
22:24
<monteslu>
that's not a slam on k12linux, theyr'e just different
22:25
very well may have been the case
22:25
<warren>
no, the default dhcpd.conf on k12ltsp did not handle exactly what you needed for one NIC either.
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<monteslu>
you sure about that? I just turned off one onboard nic and did the install
22:26
dhcp passed right through to eth0
22:26
<warren>
you didn't have to edit dhcpd.conf to make the default gateway a different box on the network?
22:26
<monteslu>
yes, I did that
22:26
<warren>
that's what I was referring to
22:26
in this case I flipped it over
22:27
instead of having to configure and enable all the services
22:27
I made it so you only need to attach a raw ethX interface to the pre-configured services already running.
22:27
have you tried the K12Linux Live Server? you can boot from LiveUSB and practice without screwing with things on your hard drive.
22:28
It even explains attaching ethX to the bridge in a HTML file with screenshots, conveniently on the desktop of the LiveUSB
22:28
<monteslu>
cool!
22:29
<warren>
Live Server you can either run Live-only as a demo/test
22:29
or install to hard drive
22:29
<monteslu>
that would help to increase my underating of how the operating system works :)
22:30
<warren>
it sucks that there are 19 steps to attach the bridge in that HTML file
22:30
NetworkManager sometime before F-11 will have a GUI chooser for this.
22:30
(it isn't really 19 steps, but the HTML file breaks down how to do it and explains it)
22:31
<monteslu>
the default has eth1 as the inward facing interface right?
22:31
<warren>
there is no default in K12Linux
22:31
eth* are undefined
22:31
The ONLY thing you need to do is pick which interface to attach to your bridge.
22:33
<monteslu>
so if it's just one, it's possible that one has iptables blocking the dhcp traffic?
22:33
this is what's missing from the doc
22:34
<warren>
monteslu: the previous step to this page had "disable iptables" as a step
22:34
<monteslu>
recently?
22:34
<warren>
no
22:34
https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/wiki/InstallGuide
22:35
<monteslu>
then I must have had something else configured incorrectly to not let the traffic through
22:35
<warren>
since March 31st
22:36
<monteslu>
I did the install in august
22:36
<warren>
iptables you had to turn off yourself
22:36
<monteslu>
you don't remeber me bugging you about it for hours?
22:37
<warren>
the doc said to disable it manually since March 31st
22:37
<monteslu>
then I did
22:37
<warren>
anyway, try the Live Server
22:37
<monteslu>
I swear i followed everything on the manual.
22:37
<warren>
don't have to reinstall your hard drive
22:37
<monteslu>
I will.
22:37
I do all my experimation with VMs
22:38
which I should have back in august. Probably would have figured out the bridge stuff instead of staying up late working on the phyical hardware at the shcool.
22:51
<stgraber>
warren: hey, the geode hack doesn't work with Ubuntu as EXA and geode fails making X to crash, does fedora also use EXA for the geode driver or is it set to XAA by default ?
22:51
<warren>
stgraber: um
22:51
stgraber: where is that set?
22:51
stgraber: LX?
22:52
<stgraber>
warren: GX2 ... the acceleration method should appear in the Xorg log
22:52
<warren>
stgraber: I've never actually run Fedora with GX2, no hardware
22:52
stgraber: why don't you download my LiveUSB image and test Fedora yourself
22:53
<stgraber>
ok, so here it explodes unless you set AccelMethod to XAA
22:53
<warren>
stgraber: run the entire Fedora LTSP server from LiveUSB
22:53
stgraber: ubuntu is similarly broken on LX?
22:54
<stgraber>
I don't have LX around but I believe LX tends to work as long as you specify the Driver
22:54
what's broken with LX in your case ?
22:55
<johnny>
ya know.. i didn't know that bash completion would work with wildcards.. how did i miss that?
22:55
franklin .maildir # ls .INBOX*/tmp
22:55
tmp/ tmp/ tmp/
22:55
where * == 3 in this case..
22:56
<warren>
stgraber: LX no problems here
22:58
<stgraber>
right, so LX is the working one. GX2 is the bad one :) (the one we already have an hack for)
23:00
<warren>
stgraber: could you try my live server to see if fedora's X has the same issue?
23:00
stgraber: if we have the same issue, then we can add yet another hack to our existing hack file
23:02
<stgraber>
warren: the hack I'm currently using with my customers is a simple export X_DEVICE_OPTION_01='"AccelMethod" "XAA"'
23:02
added to upstream's XS20-xserver-geode-gx2-hack
23:03
<warren>
stgraber: we can add it to upstream's XS20-xserver-geode-gx2-hack but could you please test to see if fedora has the same issue?
23:03
stgraber: you can boot a fedora based LTSP server entirely off of a USB stick
23:03
stgraber: http://k12linux.org
23:03
<stgraber>
ok, I'll download it somewhere at the office and try tomorrow
23:15
<Ryan52>
warren, when a spec file says "Copyright: GPL", what version of the GPL does it mean? (I assume 1, but want to make sure)
23:16
<johnny>
hmm.. i wonder if there is any feasible way to have a usb stick that can run both windows portable apps and a full distro that share the same data
23:16
Ryan52, the standard default before the gpl3 existed.. was gpl2
23:17
and that hasn't been all that long really..
23:17
<warren>
Ryan52: Copyright? what package has that?
23:17
Ryan52: that has been against our rules for 5+ years now
23:17
<Ryan52>
I know, I read that. this is in upstreams thingy.
23:17
<kc8pxy>
/sbin/update-modules goofs trying to update the modules by hand, because modprobe.conf is ro.
23:17
<warren>
Ryan52: modern Fedora rules requires us to be more specific, like GPLv2, GPLv2+, GPLv3, GPLv3+
23:18
<johnny>
kc8pxy, why the heck is it running that?
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<Ryan52>
warren, what would you think GPL means, tho? :P
23:18
<warren>
Ryan52: too ambiguous for our standards now
23:18
<Ryan52>
crap.
23:18
hrm..
23:18
<johnny>
ask the author..
23:19
<warren>
if the source files don't clear it up, then asking the author to clear it up is the next step.
23:19
<Ryan52>
upstream provided no copyright notice, a COPYING file that goes against what old maintainer thought it was, and upstream got unresponsive all of the sudden.
23:19
<warren>
Ryan52: what are you trying to do?
23:19
<kc8pxy>
johnny: * Updating /etc/modprobe.conf by hand
23:19
<Ryan52>
warren, Debian stuff.
23:19
<warren>
Ryan52: yeah... issues like that prevents stuff from entering fedora =(
23:19
<Ryan52>
but I figured that the spec file might be helpful to me in some way..
23:20
<johnny>
kc8pxy, give me more context
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<johnny>
i might also log into the thin client myself .. if you wanna setup ssh and port forwarding if we can't clear some of this up more easily in another way.
23:21
so..
23:21
<kc8pxy>
johnny: I'm reading through the initial bootstraping checklist.. that comes after "Press I for interactive mode".
23:22
<Ryan52>
warren, you guys have to list a lot less copyright information, from what I can tell...lucky :)
23:22
<johnny>
sure.. but show me some lines around it
23:22
<warren>
Ryan52: in what way?
23:22
Ryan52: we're very militant about getting upstream to clarify licenses and properly mark source files
23:23
<Ryan52>
oh, I guess you just don't have to rewrite it all :)
23:23
<warren>
Ryan52: have you seen our license matrix? FSF unofficially points people at it.
23:23
<Ryan52>
we have to write a debian/copyright file that lists all of the licenses, all of the copyright notices, etc etc.
23:23
no, I haven't.../me googles
23:23
<johnny>
so.. any ideas to keep a portable apps partition with windows executables share the same "/home" as a linux install in another partition .. without using vfat...
23:23* johnny is pretty sure that there aren't any ideas on that..
23:24
<johnny>
without having admin access and being able to install drivers..
23:24
<warren>
Ryan52: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing
23:26
<Ryan52>
nice
23:26
<johnny>
kc8pxy, grep -r update-modules /etc/init.d/*
23:28* johnny is looking for the distro that will let him run all his applications directly out of version control systems.. some packages based on tags (ie: releases) and some using the latest trunk
23:28
<johnny>
ubuntu seems to be kinda close to that these days..
23:29
gentoo is closer of course..
23:31
would be nice to have some binaries tho :)
23:31
<cyberorg>
johnny, we have openSUSE Factory and fedora has rawhide?
23:31
<johnny>
cyberorg, that's close..
23:31
<warren>
rawhide is about excitement
23:32
<johnny>
exactly how unstable is rawhide..
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<johnny>
cyberorg, imagine this..
23:40
<kc8pxy>
johnny: thanks for helping, even though I've been spotty as far as being in here.
23:40
/etc/init.d/modules: echo '### This file is automatically generated by update-modules' \
23:40
/etc/init.d/modules: /sbin/update-modules
23:41
<johnny>
i run an application.. i notice a bug or missing feature, i press some keys, get a search box.. summarize my problem , and a list of branches(patches) comes up.. i pick the one that fixes my problem, and then it asks me to restart .. and i've got the newest version
23:42
kc8pxy, hmm..
23:42
i don't recall that code in there :(
23:43
i wonder if you can find it online
23:45
kc8pxy, perhaps you can try a newer version of openrc?
23:45
not 9999 .. unless that's the only other option
23:45
make sure to run rc-status after merging the config files
23:45
that's the main issue i have with openrc
23:45
and a ro root..
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