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Channel log from 5 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<capetown>
Hello Anybody! Is it possible to turn my Jaunty desktop into a LTSP server?
03:43
<ball>
capetown: I think we're supposed to use the alternate install CD
03:43
I've just burned one, but I need to back up my home directory before I try that.
03:48
<capetown>
ball: I thought that the alternate CD was for a new install. I am concerned about all the programs I have already installed on my desktop that I want to make availible to thin client without having to do a fresh install. I don't want to have to download them all again! Is it *easy* to copy an installed program in ubuntu to another ubuntu pc for instance - in this case from my current Jaunty desktop to an fresh jaunty (alternate Cd) LTSP inst
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<Ryan52>
capetown: you don't need the alternate CD.
03:49
capetown: you should just be able to install the packages, build the chroot, do a bit of config on the services and be good to go.
03:49
<ball>
Ryan52: I can add ltsp to an existing Jaunty box?
03:49
<Ryan52>
yes.
03:49
<ball>
Is it easier to reinstall?
03:50
<Ryan52>
probably after having to backup your files and reinstall everything, no.
03:50
<capetown>
Ryan52: If I can add LTSP to existing Jaunty Desktop (which is a dual core 2.5GHz and 1GB ram) then where do I start! :-)
03:51
<Ryan52>
apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone
03:51
ltsp-build-client
03:52
<capetown>
can I isntall packages from synaptic? like ltsp-server and ltsp-client.... ?
03:53
<ball>
I'll have to rewire my LAN to try this, but I'm up for it.
03:54
<Ryan52>
capetown: no, don't install anything ltsp-client
03:54
capetown: those are for in the chroot only.
03:54
capetown: but yes, you can install them from synaptic. install ltsp-server-standalone.
03:54
capetown: then run ltsp-build-client in a terminal.
03:55
<capetown>
Ryan52: Okay, I will "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" and then "ltsp-build-client" ...
03:55
<Ryan52>
if you aren't using synaptic, then yes.
03:55
if you are and you install , you can skip the apt-get part.
03:56* Ryan52 going to sleep, bye
03:57
<capetown>
Okay, I would like to use synaptic and install "ltsp-server-standalone". Will my desktop carry on as usual but now I will have the ability to allow thin clients to connect to it?
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<capetown>
Okay, I have installed via Synaptic, "ltsp-server-standalone". Do anyone know how I get it (the service?) started and then connect my first terminal?
04:06
<ball>
capetown: do you have a separate LAN interface for your terminals?
04:09
capetown: I'm wondering if ltsp will clash with an existing DHCP server on your LAN otherwise
04:09
Ah, Ryan52's gone.
04:10
<capetown>
The NIC is on the Motherboard. I can add another NIC to PCI slot... I didn't know that I need a separate NIC. Is the LTSP a separate network then...
04:11
My ADSL modem provides DHCP currently.
04:11
But I hear what you are saying about DHCP clash.
04:12
<ball>
You may not /need/ a second NIC, but it may be the path of least resistance.
04:12
<capetown>
If I have two nics then NIC two will provide DHCP for all the terminals... ?
04:12
<ball>
...easier than trying to get two DHCP servers to play nicely.
04:13
capetown: Hopefully someone here knows a way to configure ltsp to service terminals on one specific interface.
04:13
...without interfering with your existing LAN
04:13
<capetown>
Do you know what command is used to configue the "server" ?
04:14
<ball>
Absolutely no idea, sorry.
04:14
<capetown>
ball think that I will go ahead and read through the howto on ubuntu jaunty LTSP and go from there....
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<ball>
ok
04:15
Let me know what you find out. I have to do this too.
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<garymc>
Hi, I want to instal K12Ltsp on my Hp Proliant servers
05:46
Problem is I want the 64 bit version but the download is 900mb
05:46
Now I have to burn that to DVD
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but my servers only have CD players
05:46
is there a solution?
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<knipwim>
garymc: put the dvd burner in your server
05:58
<garymc>
I need to
05:58
my server is slim line
05:58
so will prob have to buy one
05:58
What about a net install of Fedora 10
05:58
<knipwim>
or netboot the dvd
05:58
<garymc>
then add the ltsp later? is this possible
05:59
<knipwim>
i don't know
06:00
i guess you can install the ltsp-server later
06:16
<garymc>
Knipwim: could I use the dvd form my laptop somehow?
06:16
to boot the server?
06:18
<moldy>
you can always add ltsp later
06:18
<garymc>
What does net booting a dvd entai?
06:18
<moldy>
if you want a really good integration with your distribution, chose ubuntu
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<garymc>
I think I have a portable dvd player for comps somwhere
06:19
how would I connect it to my server? Ethernet?
06:20
<moldy>
garymc: are you sure you want to use k12ltsp?
06:20
garymc: or are you talking about k12linux?
06:20
<garymc>
yes
06:21
Im running an intranet in my office and is the only product i could get to work on a test station
06:21
<moldy>
"yes" to which question? :)
06:21
<garymc>
So now I bought some HP proliant servers
06:21
k12Linux : YES
06:21
<moldy>
ok
06:21
you have fedora installed on the proliants already?
06:22
<garymc>
nope
06:22
Im trying the 64 bit version of FED 10 now but I it says my chipset is i386
06:22
<moldy>
is fedora a must? if not, i suggest you try the current stable ubuntu
06:22
<garymc>
is that not good enough
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<garymc>
Why ubuntu
06:22
<moldy>
garymc: ubuntu has the best ltsp integration
06:22
<garymc>
I dont want a server running websites or nothing
06:23
it does?
06:23
<moldy>
yes
06:23
<garymc>
Is it easier to setup?
06:23
<moldy>
if the main purpose of those servers is LTSP, ubuntu is probably the best choice as a distribution
06:23
<garymc>
is ubuntu free?
06:23
<moldy>
yes, it is
06:23
<garymc>
ahh
06:23
ok, i need a 32 bit netinstall
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<moldy>
your servers are not 64 bit?
06:24
<garymc>
what version of ubuntu
06:24
<moldy>
9.04
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<garymc>
they mustnt be
06:24
cos im trying to install a 64 bit and it says no
06:24
they are second hand servers
06:24
dl380 g3
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hp proliants
06:25
is that bad?
06:25
<moldy>
no
06:25
but i think those should have 64 bit cpus
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<garymc>
hmmm
06:26
<moldy>
not 100% sure
06:26
anyway, 32 bit should be fine, too
06:27
if i were you, i'd install ubuntu 9.04, then follow the ubuntu documentation on installing ltsp
06:28
<nubae>
no need for 64 bit...
06:28
just brings problems
06:29
and I have hp proliant servers... same model as you... they work great with ubuntu
06:29
<garymc>
so they arnt 64bit?
06:30
it says they are i686 not x86-64
06:30
<moldy>
what is "it"?
06:30
<garymc>
so you reckon UBUNTU 9.04
06:30
<moldy>
anyway, nubae is right, you probably don't *want* to install a 64 bit os.
06:30
<nubae>
yes they are 64 bit, but u dont need to run 64 bit
06:31
<garymc>
ok
06:31
<cyberorg>
garymc, also try http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Live
06:31
<garymc>
cool im just trying to find ubuntu net install iso
06:31
<nubae>
just use server- kernel
06:31
<cyberorg>
that is the best ltsp implementation in my biased opinion ;)
06:31
<nubae>
yah, or opensuse... works great too
06:32
<moldy>
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server
06:32
<garymc>
where would i find it
06:32
ok
06:32
<nubae>
u need to download alternate cd
06:33
<garymc>
can i just donwload a netinstall iso?
06:33
<moldy>
hm, why does he need the alternate cd?
06:33
<nubae>
so he can hit F4 and install LTSP directly
06:34
<moldy>
ah. i usually just aptitude-install it after installing base ubuntu
06:34
<garymc>
right guys im lost on what i need
06:35
<moldy>
i don't think it really matters
06:35
any 9.04 32-bit ubuntu should be fine
06:35
<garymc>
im looking at loads of differnt downloads
06:35
i just want a netinstall
06:35
<moldy>
you probably want to use a "server" kernel so you can use more memory, but you can easily change that after installation
06:36
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server, chose 32-bit, chose location, go
06:36
<garymc>
so ubunto 9.04 or 8.04 lts server
06:37
<moldy>
use 9.04
06:37
the ubuntu website sucks, hard to find stuff
06:38
<garymc>
cool im donwloading
06:38
<moldy>
normal cd: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-server-i386.iso
06:38
alternate cd: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso
06:38
<garymc>
will my server need to be connected to the internet for this to install correctly?
06:38
<moldy>
you might want to use the alternate cd if you want lvm/raid
06:38
<nubae>
probably yeah
06:38
<garymc>
i use both of them?
06:38
<moldy>
no, chose one
06:39
i don't think you need internet connection, but it's better if you have one
06:39
<garymc>
im downloading the first one now
06:40
im gonna sound daft here but what is LVM/raid - I think raid is how the hard drives work?
06:43
<moldy>
yes
06:43
look at wikipedia
06:44
there are several forms of raid, so it takes rather long to explain, easier to just read the wikipedia article ;)
06:45
basically, raid can offer a) better performance or b) prevent your server from going down if a hard disk fails
06:45
it's often nice to havem but if you're just getting started, you might not want to care about it
06:47
<rinovan>
how about sis900, ltsp hang at boot?
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<pmatulis>
with ubuntu 9.04, should a thin client be able to boot up fine using a projector as its display?
07:01
<nubae>
sure
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<garymc>
god damn, i just downloaded ubuntu 9.04 and it aint booting up in my server :(
07:41
could i have writen it to a dodgey cd-rw?
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<ogra>
hmm, no vagrantc
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<garymc>
I burnt ubuntu to another cd-rw has booted up now
08:02
Thanks I will let you know how I get on
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<Blinny>
_UsUrPeR_: 64-bit flash is working quite nicely, thank you. I notice a definite speedup now that nspluginwrapper isn't a part of the mix. Also, no reports of any crashes yet. Appreciate the help.
08:20
<_UsUrPeR_>
blinny: no problem. I had to write that script after I killed myself trying to find the proper 64-bit download
08:20
adobe's site is awful :)
08:20
<garymc>
root
08:20
<Blinny>
Yes, it is!
08:21
<garymc>
moldy: I have installed and rebooted, it puts me at a command prompt
08:21
not like k12linux
08:22
now i dont know how the hell i get ltsp on here and working so thin clients boot with a gui
08:23
PLEASE HELP!
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<garymc>
anyone know how I get Ltsp to work from ubuntu prompt?
08:24
everyone must be away then.....?
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08:35
<garymc>
Look guys i dont understand ubuntu
08:35
It took me 2 weeks to figure out the k12linux setup so i got no chance with this
08:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: sorry
08:42
I'll help you out
08:42
what version of Ubuntu are you installing?
08:42
<garymc>
cheers
08:42
ive just installed 9.04
08:42
im at a command prompt now
08:42
<_UsUrPeR_>
did you install the desktop version?
08:43
<garymc>
server version
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
is that x64 or i386?
08:43
<garymc>
i386
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
08:43
how many NICs do you have on that server?
08:43
<garymc>
2
08:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
great!
08:44
<garymc>
eht0 and eth1
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
lastly: did you use the alternate ubuntu installation CD, or the normal server version?
08:44
<garymc>
normal
08:44
didnt know which one to use
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok
08:44
<garymc>
or how i would get the alternate
08:44
<_UsUrPeR_>
I *highly* recommend the alternate installation. I'll get you a link in a moment
08:44
<garymc>
ok
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<bieb>
yeah the alternate Cd works great
08:45
<garymc>
fastest link possible takes ages to download
08:45
;)
08:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
where are you located?
08:45* _UsUrPeR_ needs the country so I can get you a quick download speed
08:45
<garymc>
Uk
08:45
<_UsUrPeR_>
k
08:45
<bieb>
http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate you can get the torrent here
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<garymc>
how would i know if i downloaded the alternate or not
08:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
I should have recognized that with the "cheers" up there :)
08:46
you would know because there is no "server" alternate installation
08:46
trust me: it's totally worth it though
08:47
here's the link to the University of Kent: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso
08:47
that should, hopefully, be a quick download
08:47
the installation process for the alternate LTSP installation should be as follows:
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<bieb>
garymc: 64bit or 32bit?
08:47
<garymc>
hold on a sec
08:47
<_UsUrPeR_>
he was looking for i386
08:47
garymc: ok
08:48
<garymc>
that link you gave me is 27kb and my leecher wont open it?
08:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
hmm
08:48
<bieb>
_UsUrPeR_: cool.. I know yesterday he was looking for the 64bit Fedora installer
08:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: that's the direct link to the .iso file. it should be 680~ megs
08:48
<garymc>
no its a torrent file
08:49
<bieb>
garymc: go with the link _UsUrPeR_ sent you.. not mine
08:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
that was bieb that sent you the torrent
08:49
http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/9.04/ubuntu-9.04-alternate-i386.iso
08:49
go there ^^^
08:49
<garymc>
ahh sorry
08:49
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, so when you are installing
08:50
<garymc>
yes
08:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
when you boot the CD, the first thing you will do is select your language (obviously English)
08:50
<garymc>
1% downloaded :(
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<_UsUrPeR_>
next, you will need to change the installation type by hitting F4
08:51
that will take you to a drop-down menu. In there, SELECT THE LTSP INSTALLATION
08:51
<garymc>
ok
08:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
after that's selected, press enter on "install ubuntu"
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<Blinny>
I second the notion that it's worth the wait.
08:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
that will take you to a text menu, where you can continue the installation process
08:53
<garymc>
will i end up at a command propmt?
08:53
or in a gui?
08:54
once all is installed?
08:54
10% downloaded :S
08:54
<bieb>
gui
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<garymc>
ok even though its a rack server im installing on will i beable to unplug monitor from server etc
08:55
and hook into it through the ethernet switch?
08:55
<bieb>
yeah as long as you enable remote desktop
08:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: the server will always be running ssh for incoming connection
08:57
<garymc>
ok, ill ask about that once i get it installed
08:57
ok but it wont need the monitor connected or nothing just the ethernet to internet and switch
09:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: correct
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<garymc>
you the alternate is 714mb big
09:47
my cd-rw are only 700mb
09:48
my servers have only cd readers
09:48
not *you buy *YO
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????
09:49
<bieb>
it will install to a regular Cd.. I have done it multiple times
09:49
install = burn
09:50
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: the file should have only been 697 megs...
09:51
<garymc>
hmmm well its burning
09:51
but my comp says its 714mb?
09:51
this is WinXp though
09:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
doesn't seem correct...
09:51
weird
09:51
<garymc>
if it burns to the cd then it aint over 700mb
09:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
maybe WinXP goes by the conservatism method of data accounting
09:52
<garymc>
says its burnt ok
09:52* _UsUrPeR_ just finished an accounting class yesterday, and can't get the terminology out of his head
09:52
<garymc>
now to fire it up in the cd
09:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
there you go
09:52
remember to hit F4 and change the installation type to LTSP standalone server
09:53
<garymc>
these servers are quite loud lol
09:53
i hit f4 after language choice
09:53
<_UsUrPeR_>
yeah, rackmounts are normally loaded with high-rpm fans :)
09:53
correct
09:53
after lanuage choice
09:54
<garymc>
yeah loads of fans lol
09:55
i selected instal ltsp, now do i need to click install?
09:55
<bieb>
yep
09:55
<garymc>
what does check discs for defects do etc
09:55
should I test memory too?
09:56
<bieb>
I usually skip those 2
09:56
unless you have a problem with the install
09:57
<garymc>
ok its away
09:58
a quick question about my server, its a hp proliant and there is another ethernet port on the back labled iLO what is this?
09:59
that would make 3 ethernet ports
09:59
<knipwim>
maybe a serial port?
09:59
<bieb>
I think the iLO port is a management port.. not ethernet..
09:59
<garymc>
ok
10:00
<bieb>
I would look up the model on HP's site and see what info they give on it
10:00
<knipwim>
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/management/ilo/
10:00
<bieb>
knipwim: LOL... I was just going to post that
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<garymc>
Setup is asking Partitioning method: GUIDED - use entire disc, Guided - use entire and setup LVM or encypted LVM?
10:00
<bieb>
your giggle was faster than mine
10:00
guided use entire
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<garymc>
ok
10:02
im gonna have to put my rack system in another room lol
10:02
I bought 3 of these servers
10:02
<knipwim>
certainly not in your bedroom :)
10:02
<garymc>
I was hoping to use one as a Asterisk phone system
10:02
Not unless im wayne Rooney and i cant sleep without the hoover on ;)
10:04
partion formatting taking a wee while, must be cos of 4 72gb scsi?
10:04
where are you all from by the way?
10:09
Wow this partioning formatting is taking some time, cant remember how long it took before?
10:09
ill go make a cup of tea :) anyone want one?
10:10
<bieb>
Georgia, USA here
10:10
<garymc>
cool
10:10
was in New York last month, a little far off I know but was my first trip to the states
10:11
Liverpool Uk me
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<bieb>
cool.
10:11
<knipwim>
the hague, netherlands
10:11
<garymc>
nice i love holland
10:11
Rotterdam and amsterdam my 2 faves
10:11
havnt been for a few years though
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<knipwim>
i live right in the middle
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<garymc>
Loved it when i used to smoke pot
10:12
;)
10:12
those days are long over
10:12
3 years infact
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<knipwim>
well done
10:13
<garymc>
These partion formatting is taking ages, is this normal?
10:13
knipwim: Thanks ;)
10:13
time for a cuppa
10:14
one of my drives has a red/orange light with a cross through it
10:14
is it busted?
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<knipwim>
hmm, your dvd drive?
10:19
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: if that's a RAID drive, the HDD is probably bad
10:19
<garymc>
no I got 4 hot plug scsi drives 3 with green flashing lights and one with a orange box with x through it
10:20
and my screen is still sitting on formatting section
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<garymc>
do you think it has locked?
10:21
should I switch off and swap the drive in question?
10:21
<_UsUrPeR_>
naw
10:21
that takes a while
10:21
it has to download and create a ltsp image
10:22
<garymc>
but its sitting on the Partition formatting bit 33% for ages now
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<garymc>
?
10:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
what time is it over there?
10:25
<garymc>
23 mins past 4 in afternoon
10:25
you?
10:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
maybe some patience may be in order. go grab dinner or something :)
10:25
you're 5 hours ahead of me
10:25
you're at GMT right?
10:25
<garymc>
well im not hungary and im sure when i did the last one before this it didnt take this long
10:25
yep
10:26
GMT or BST i think we are BST now until october we will be GMT again
10:26
stupid i know
10:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
BST?
10:26
It's possible that your drive has failed. Though that would be quite sad.
10:26
<garymc>
if one drive fails, will the system halt
10:26
?
10:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
not if it's on a hardware RAID
10:27
unless it's striped...
10:27
<garymc>
i dont think they are raid
10:27
<bieb>
It would halt during the format process.. since it is trying to format it.. until it decided this is futile
10:27
<garymc>
who decides its futile me or the server?
10:27* _UsUrPeR_ is not sure. Go with bieb's answer :)
10:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: ultimately you :)
10:28
<garymc>
i think its futile and i need to shut down and remove drive in question and start aGAIN
10:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
just remember: suicide should never be an option.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
err... were we discussing futility pertaining to the hard drive?
10:28
<garymc>
i could be waiting hours before i decide to reboot and start over
10:29
<bieb>
garymc: since it is a hot swap... just shutdown.. pop it out and re run installation
10:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
garymc: yeah. maybe you should reboot and check the hard drive
10:29
<garymc>
ok cool
10:29
ill do now
10:32
should i select F2 continue without recovery of data to HDD
10:32
damn missed it
10:32
<bieb>
f4
10:32
start from scratch
10:32
<garymc>
it was a bios thing
10:32
<bieb>
ohhh
10:32
my bad
10:32
<garymc>
lol never mind
10:35
right im getting a differnt partioning method
10:35
3 same as before or
10:35
Guided Resize SCSI.CCISS (-0,0), partition #5
10:35
should i use entire disk one again?
10:36
<bieb>
use entire again
10:36
pretend we didnt do this already.. :)
10:36
<garymc>
ok
10:36
:)
10:36
ok back to where we was
10:36
time is 16:35
10:36
33% partition formatting
10:37
ok im off for 10 mins or soo all green lights on the scsi bays
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<denisesballs>
hey guys, i'm confused where default gconf setting for new users are from. is there somewhere to set global gconf values? or is the .gconf folder created when the user is created similar to the other user dirs?
10:48
looking at this, but it doesnt actually tell you where to set them...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize
10:52
<garymc>
15 mins sitting on the partition formatting
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<bieb>
garymc: still at 33%??
10:58
<garymc>
yep
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<bieb>
hmmm
10:59
<garymc>
it does this then you dont see any other percentage and its done
10:59
but its just sitting there
10:59
<bieb>
ok
10:59
when it finishes... what happens?
10:59
<garymc>
the hard drive green lights are all flashing stiil
10:59
<bieb>
ok.. I would just leave it
10:59
<garymc>
It asks about further installation stuff
11:00
but normally quicker than this
11:00
??? infact when i installed the ubuntu server disk earlier i put guided LVm when i was selecting formatting
11:01
seemed to do it quicker or maybe didnt do it properly?
11:04
<bieb>
not sure why
11:04
<garymc>
me either
11:05
what if they are raids? will it stall on the option ive picked?
11:05
<bieb>
nope
11:05
I have a raid that I installed to
11:07
<garymc>
30 mins now still 33% :(
11:08
WOOO HOOO
11:08
installing base system
11:09
<bieb>
see... patience
11:09
<garymc>
;)
11:09
Just got a warning
11:09
RED SCREEN
11:10
Warning: file:///cd-rom/pool/main/f/file/file_4.26-2ubuntu3_i386.deb was corrupt
11:10
go back or continue
11:10
???
11:10
What should i do here?
11:10
<bieb>
continue.. see if you get anymore
11:10
<garymc>
Sorry, DEBOOTSTRAP WARNING
11:11
<epsas>
clean the disc
11:11
<garymc>
Could not download package file
11:11
<epsas>
ahh
11:11
<garymc>
that was after i pressed continue
11:11
now go back or continue again
11:12
Should I go back? or Continue again?
11:12
maybe i should go back
11:12
<bieb>
try continue.. worse that happens is you have to reinstall
11:13
<garymc>
another one another corrupt file
11:13
<bieb>
ok...
11:13
<garymc>
cant download package libmagic now
11:14
<bieb>
there are 2 things... like epsas said.. shutdown and clean disk.... and/or
11:14
<garymc>
or....
11:14
<bieb>
burn another CD at a slower speed... I had this with a coworker.. I had to burn his CD at 16 or 24 speed
11:14
<garymc>
I burnt it at 10X
11:15
i can burn it at 4X
11:15
<bieb>
you can try that..
11:15
also clean the exisitng CD
11:15
<garymc>
will i have to format again?
11:15
can i clean the existing one now?
11:15
while machine still on?
11:15
<bieb>
yeah
11:15
I dont think the installer will unmount the Cd
11:16
when you reinstall.. you can take the existing partitions
11:16
also.. when you run the installation again.. run the CD check that we skipped previously
11:17
<garymc>
ok so turn off the machine now?
11:17
<bieb>
yep
11:17
<garymc>
what about that bios thing i got before
11:17
will i get that do you reckon
11:18
<bieb>
not sure... you may not because you arent removing a hard drive
11:18
<garymc>
ok
11:18
cool
11:18
ill turn off now
11:18
and wait for new cd to burn
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<bieb>
ok
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<garymc>
looking at the disc i was trying to use and hardly nothing was burnt onto it, looking at new burn whole disc is used
11:41
how do i use same partitions?
11:42
ok it hasnt asked no partiotion stuff yet
11:42
seems to be installing
11:43
<_UsUrPeR_>
cool
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<garymc>
i dont know what option to use on the partion choices
11:45
help
11:46
_UsUrPeR_ i dont knwo what partition option to take
11:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
guided - use entire disk
11:47
<garymc>
i dont want to do the formatting again
11:48
bieb: how do i install without re formatting
11:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. don't know what to say there. If you do a manual partition, you can just assign the partitions properly
11:48
just take the lrgest partition (ifit was layed out properly) and use ext3 for it, mount with "/"
11:49
assign a swap partition
11:49
and that should be about it
11:49
if you are installing over an old partition, that should work
11:49
but you may have to re-format anyway
11:49
the installer, if I recall, requires formatting of the partitions
11:50
<garymc>
no root file system is defined
11:50
<Lns>
reinstall w/out formatting root filesystem? that's like...windows =p
11:52
<garymc>
No root file system is defined Please correct this from the partioning menu
11:53
how do i sort this root file thingy?
11:53
i cant get past it no matter what
11:54
<_UsUrPeR_>
you need to assign a partition the root directory
11:54
find the largest partition, and put down "/" as the mount point
11:54
<garymc>
i done it
11:54
;)
11:54
installing the base system
11:55
yeaah 3 hours later and im getting somewhere
11:55
<bieb>
garymc: sorry was away from my desk... everything going ok now?
11:56
<garymc>
nope just got a corrupt file error again
11:56
with new disk
11:57
rebooting again
11:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
maybe your image download got borked
11:57
<garymc>
why would i be getting corrupt file errors?
11:57
maybe
11:57
<bieb>
true
11:57
<garymc>
ill try again
11:57
then ill need to find another download spot maybe#/
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<garymc>
what is i check CD in ubuntu menu?
11:59
<bieb>
garymc: if you go to the link I gave you earlier: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#alternate and scroll down you will find all the download spots in the UK
12:01
<garymc>
what is jaunty jakalope?
12:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
jaunty jackalope is 9.04
12:01
<Ahmuck-Jr>
the latest release
12:01
9.04
12:02
<bieb>
back in a bit...
12:06
<garymc>
ok
12:06
im downloading off a server dont know if it was the same one or not
12:06
but its 8% into it
12:09
<Ahmuck-Jr>
trust the source
12:09
garymc: did you get the desktop cd ?
12:09
or the alternate?
12:11
<garymc>
im going for alternate
12:11
also doing a cd check from main menu and says its got corrupted files
12:13
have to wait for my new download now
12:14
<Blinny>
garymc: Can I suggest upgrading from dial-up? (;
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hi #ltsp
12:25
<Lns>
hey CAN-o-SPAM !
12:25
<Ahmuck-Jr>
ban the spam :)
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
love the spam
12:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
eat the spam?
12:26
blech :P
12:27
<CAN-o-SPAM>
CAN-o-SPAM is a popular food in the great state of Hawaii!
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<ball>
Hello CAN-o-SPAM.
12:55
(et. al)
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<Lns>
hey ball
13:01
<ball>
Lns: I installed from the Ubuntu Jaunty Alternate CD and couldn't find anything that obviously related to ltsp.
13:01
<denisesballs>
anyone want to help me with some global gconf questions?
13:02
<Lns>
ball: at the initial boot menu i think you hit F4 to install an ltsp server
13:02
!question
13:02
<ltspbot>
Lns: "question" is if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
13:03
<Lns>
denisesballs: ^^^ =)
13:03
<denisesballs>
i actually already asked but nobody replied, so i wanted to check first...
13:03
i'm confused where default gconf setting for new users are from. is there somewhere to set global gconf values? or is the .gconf folder created when the user is created similar to the other user dirs? looking at this, but it doesnt actually tell you where to set them...https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize
13:05
<Lns>
denisesballs: gconf-editor
13:05
<denisesballs>
isn't that per-user?
13:05
<Lns>
there are commandline tools, and gconf-editor is a gui
13:05
no, you can set 'default' and 'mandatory' which affects all users
13:05
<denisesballs>
when i change something in gconf editor, it did not retain for a different user
13:05
<Lns>
otherwise it only affects the user that launched gconf-editor
13:05
<denisesballs>
right, which is what im asking
13:06
<Lns>
run it with sudo
13:06
<ball>
Lns: I'll have another go at installing it then.
13:06
<Lns>
and read the links at the bottom of the page you referenced (the gnome gconf manual is a great resource)
13:06
<denisesballs>
where do you set mandatory or default?
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<denisesballs>
withing gconf-editor, that is
13:07
within*
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<denisesballs>
ahh i see it
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<garymc>
damn i just burnt new disc of ubuntu and its coming up with GRUB loading error when i try to boot from the cd
13:11
error 17
13:11
whats happening to me
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<denisesballs>
ok LNS: i just ran gconf-editor as sudo, changed /desktop/gnome/background, created a new user, and when i log in, it not the right background. so something overqrites it for new users
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<Lns>
denisesballs: you need to set it as 'mandatory'
13:22
<denisesballs>
but then it can never be changed?
13:22
<Lns>
it can if you unset it ;)
13:22
if you want users to be able to change the background, but you set it initially, use 'default'
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<denisesballs>
ok, i figured just setting it would make it default...
13:23
but i will try setting that
13:23
<Lns>
no..if you don't set 'default' or 'mandatory' you're only setting for your user
13:23
not everyone
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<denisesballs>
ok, i figured doing it was sudo would
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<Lns>
nope
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<denisesballs>
do i still have to run it as sudo to set it to mandatory or default?
13:28
yes, i tried it
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<ball>
denisesballs: are we related? ;-)
13:29
<denisesballs>
haha
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<Lns>
please, don't start with this...if gadi were here we'd already be talking about things not appropriate for children =p
13:34
just based on your names =p
13:34
<denisesballs>
Lns, do you remember when we talked about gnome-watchdog and LDM with ogra?
13:35
was like a week ago
13:35
<Lns>
i think so
13:35
he said a lot of gnome-watchdog stuff was integrated into ldm
13:35
in 'later' releases
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<denisesballs>
he was saying its not necessary anymore since LDM checks for running process and kills them when you log in
13:36
<Lns>
right
13:36
gnome-watchdog is nice in that it kills procs AFTER you log out
13:36
<denisesballs>
err actually, i think he went to clarify you had to add that option first
13:36
(01:31:44 PM) ogra: LDM_LIMIT_ONE_SESSION
13:37
cuz for some reason everytime i log out as MY user, it wont exit i have to kill the session. then when i try to log back in, it just hangs
13:38
er no, actually thats just to make it ask, by default he said it would kill the previous processes
13:38
but im finding that not to be true
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<pmatulis>
on ubuntu 9.04, is not being able to logout (System > Log Out) a known bug?
13:48
<Lns>
denisesballs: not really sure..i don't run jaunty servers
13:50
<denisesballs>
i think u meant pmatulis
13:51
<Lns>
either one ;)
13:51
<denisesballs>
well im not running jaunty...
13:51
<Lns>
oh. =p
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<denisesballs>
u guys ever see on a logout the screen just turn to a bunch of horizontal striped lines?
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<Lns>
on a client?
14:32
<denisesballs>
yeah
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<denisesballs>
restarting x fixed it, but still
14:33
<Lns>
no...i remember the 'shading' effect was removed in hardy when you go to log out / gksudo / etc
14:33
did it reappear?
14:36
<denisesballs>
no, i think it comes arround occasionally
14:37
trying to run gdmsetup and nothing is happening...
14:37
not a good day today
14:38
<Lns>
denisesballs: gdmsetup? why?
14:38
<denisesballs>
does that not work becuase it's "LDM" instead of "GDM"? where does one change the theme?
14:39
<Lns>
right
14:39
<denisesballs>
it was still in the menu...
14:40
<Lns>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-users/2008-May/004040.html - maybe that will help
14:40
denisesballs: gdm is still there for the server uses gdm
14:40
<denisesballs>
ah, ok
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<knipwim>
is /etc/ltsp/ltsp-build-client.conf only meant for common variables, or also for distro specific ones?
14:44
<vagrantc>
knipwim: for anything you want to put in there, but i'd recommend leaving it option for sysadmins.
14:44
optional
14:44
it's just sourced shell, really.
14:45
<knipwim>
i'm looking at gentoo's 010-bootstrap file
14:45
and the quickstart-profile only can be loaded from commandline
14:46
so i was wondering why the plugin didn't look in the config file
14:47
<Lns>
methinks an ldm custom theme wiki page is in order for ubuntu wiki
14:47
<knipwim>
but if it's ok, i'll create a patch for it
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<tonyv>
vagrantc: now you're here, I'll just close on yesterday's problems. I installed the latest packages from lenny backports, to no avail. The problem turned out to be that the rsh key in /etc/ssh/ssh_known hosts was simply incorrect. I got around the problem by deleting that file, running ssh on the terminal to the server, and copying the /root/.ssh/known_hosts to /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts. Can't imagine why ltsp_update_keys got it wrong, but imagine that the /etc/
14:52
ssh/host_rsa_key was wrong. Still, it's running now... Thanks for your help.
14:53
<vagrantc>
tonyv: that's very unusual... i've seen it work on thousands of other servers... i wonder what was different about yours.
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<vagrantc>
tonyv: glad you at least figured it out
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<vagrantc>
!seen warren
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 22 hours, 2 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <warren> pulseaudio changed substantially
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<deathtech>
Hello all
15:42
Im interested in doing a proof of concept to my enterprise using LTSP , and i have a couple of questions im sure a few guru's here can answer relatively quickly.
15:42
<bieb>
throw them out there deathtech
15:43
<deathtech>
1.) Does LTSP Require that on each server you add PXE Clients manually ? (IE it wont just distribute out without requiring the file to be modified to allow each individual client)
15:43
i ask because we have about 23,000 locations that we would need to deploy a server to eventually
15:43
each location has about 15 thin clients
15:43
<bieb>
you could duplicate the servers
15:44
<vagrantc>
deathtech: just use DHCP ranges
15:44
<bieb>
I would still go back and make minor name changes and such
15:44
<deathtech>
Right, and that would be the ideal solution, but the Thin clients themselves (and i may have misunderstood) dont they need to be added in dhcpd.conf along with Mac addresses to function ?
15:44
<vagrantc>
deathtech: i never have to specify anything for a thin client unless it has something unusual.
15:44
<bieb>
ohh. sorry.. will all the servers be in one location? or each location will have their own?
15:45
<deathtech>
Ah, so you dont have to add your clients mac or anything like that for them to be able to pxe boot correctly ?
15:45
<Lns>
deathtech: no. as long as the ltsp server is active and your clients are pxe booting, it will boot them.
15:45
<deathtech>
Each loc will have its own server
15:45
<vagrantc>
deathtech: no need to add them to dhcpd.conf- you can just always hand out LTSP related settings to all DHCP requests.
15:45
<deathtech>
cool, you guys will probably see a lot of me if you dont mind while im attempting this project
15:46
<vagrantc>
deathtech: what sort of project is it?
15:46
<Lns>
deathtech: welcome to the community =)
15:46
<deathtech>
We have a lot of locations, but we are really a kind of poor company, we lose money on 80% of our patients, and we have some antiquated thin clients
15:47
well, our amazing developers created this new , hefty , application, that the thins arent happy running (requires flash 10)
15:47
<bieb>
deathtech: beware,,, this place is habit forming.. and before you know it.. you will be trying to help others :D
15:47
<Lns>
bieb: ;)
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<deathtech>
I dont mind that at all, i have a lot to contribute, maybe not so much to LTSP , yet :)
15:47
<Lns>
the viral nature of successful FOSS projects
15:48
<deathtech>
our lowest hardware will be running 64M Onboard flash chip , 128 MB's Ram, and an 800 MHz Via Eden Fanless proc
15:48
<bieb>
that the client?
15:48
<vagrantc>
deathtech: flash has tended to be an issue for LTSP ... usually you need machines powerful enough to run locally
15:49
<deathtech>
Yes , that would be the client
15:50
the servers should be hefty enough, i beleive
15:50
4 GB Ram, Dual core 2.4 Ghz Proc (Intel)
15:52
<vagrantc>
deathtech: yes, but flash doesn't run well over the network.
15:53
deathtech: maybe it'll work for you, but just a word of caution
15:53
<Lns>
vagrantc: i'd have to disagree to an extent, i've had a full class of kids (35) on fullscreen flash websites and it handled fairly well
15:53
<deathtech>
Understood, Thank you Vagrant, i hope it does, as that is what will make or break this
15:53
<Lns>
full motion video vs. flash animation is something to consider
15:53
<vagrantc>
see, others have it working well
15:54
<deathtech>
*crosses fingers*
15:54
<Lns>
deathtech: what kind of flash are we talking about? is it really intense?
15:54
<deathtech>
lol
15:54
No, its not like flash video by any means
15:54
its basically a clinical application that will display cells with patient information, etc, that was built on adobe flex
15:54
nothing as intensive as video, but its flash either way :p
15:54
<Lns>
deathtech: as long as it was sanely coded i think you should be ok. especially with those server specs and only 15 clients
15:55
but ymmv, that's just my uneducated guess ;)
15:55
<deathtech>
these developers are unfortunately disconnected (as it would seem) with the hardware minimums
15:56
im in the companies architecture group, so im here to try and make it work
15:56
<Lns>
well...yeah, they're adobe devs ;)
15:56
<deathtech>
^ my point exactly :)
15:56
<Lns>
seriously i think you should be ok. but you know, test it first and stuff ;)
15:57
<deathtech>
Thats one thing that i have always found in using linux projects, the communities rock and are always open and willing to help, thanks guys :)
15:57* vagrantc is in the "deploy it in thousands of sites as the first test run" camp
15:57
<deathtech>
Smoke break, brb :)
15:57
^ lol
15:57
<Lns>
Come back and let us know how it works
15:57
vagrantc: =p~~ no wonder you're an ltsp dev
15:57
<bieb>
vagrantc: I hear that
15:58
vagrantc: are you using jaunty?
15:58
<deathtech>
i will chill in this channel while i download the latest ubuntu CD, Xubuntu chokes , and the fix makes it more difficult apparently.
15:58
<vagrantc>
actually, most of my development is done on a virtual server with a virtual thin client on my virtual laptop ... er, i wish.
15:58
VTSP, all the way.
15:59
<Lns>
vagrantc: virtual terminal server project?
15:59
<vagrantc>
:)
16:00
if i can kick it, i will
16:00* Lns imagines vagrantc as a beastie boy... "Kick it!"
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<bieb>
on Jaunty, when you logout or shutdown, there is a 60 second timer, you can click "logout" when the timer box appears.... Where can I find the settings for this? I am not sure what it would be called. I want to drop the timer down to 10-15 seconds
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<garymc>
Hi
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<garymc>
_UsUrPer_ : I got it working as a server!
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bieb: also a thanks to you.
16:14
Ubuntu Alternative is much easier to setup than k12Linux
16:14
Does anyone know if I can setup Asterisk phone system on another server then link it to my ubuntu one?
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<bieb>
garymc: no prob.. glad its working
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<garymc>
Hey , iwanna setup another server with asterisk running our phone system, could I link it to the network hub and access it from ubuntu server? if you know what i mean?
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so it all acts as one?
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maybe im barking up the wrong tree?
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<Lns>
garymc: what do you mean 'acts all as one'...those are two completely different services
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<garymc>
I know, but i need it to interact with my main server. So when someone calls in it comes up on the thin clients comp, maybe number calling in and where it is being recorded etc. As they will be filling in customer details etc on the ubuntu server
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im not sure how it all would work yet
16:21
Im going to experiment
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but thought id ask some questions first
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<Lns>
well if it works on a normal workstation it's likely to work on a thin client, not too much difference...
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<atomic007za>
so the client s/w must run on the thin client?
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<garymc>
s/w?
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<atomic007za>
software, sorry
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<garymc>
errrm?
16:22
Ive been told its best to have a seperate server for Asterisk linked to my main server?
16:22
i could ask at the asterisk site lol
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<Lns>
garymc: correct, that's what i'd do anyway, heh
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<garymc>
but wondered how it would interact with my new ubuntu ltsp server
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well they told me to read a 606 page book, which im going to do
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:S
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<atomic007za>
if I have a 160 gig sata drive on a server and need to replace it with a 250, (the drive contains my swap parttion and dir, would ghosting work? or how could I do this?
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nortons ghost that is
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it is for my ltsp server
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<bieb>
atomic007za: dd
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atomic007za: after dd completes you would have a 90gb unused partition, that you can allocate where you want
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<atomic007za>
thanks bieb
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<bieb>
no prob
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<Lns>
FYI: Just created this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LDMThemeChange
16:47
<ace_suares1>
hey look at this: http://education.zdnet.com/?p=2905&tag=nl.e623 (the state of edubuntu)
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<bieb>
Lns: nice
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<Lns>
ace_suares1: thx for the link
16:49* vagrantc has had good luck with partimage for saving partitions
16:49
<ace_suares1>
lot of trolls in the comments always on that site though. Read the first comment :-)
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<bieb>
Lns: does the ubuntu theme adjust automagically? ie... if I stick in an image of x size and the resolution of the client is different does it scale? or just stretch/squash?
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<vagrantc>
the fun thing about themes with ldm is that there's at least two ways to select which theme to use
16:51
<Lns>
vagrantc: that's a fun thing? =p
16:51
bieb: i'm not sure, i used the same resolution (or smaller) for my customized logo.png...that worked well. i'll add a note about that
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vagrantc: thx for that, i forgot to mention about being able to serve different themes for different locations on the same network (i.e. lab vs. classroom) for a more customized experience ;)
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<vagrantc>
Lns: on Debian or Ubuntu, you can change the default using update-alternatives in the chroot, but it's probably easier to just specify LDM_THEME in lts.conf
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<atomic007za>
Lns: cool
16:53
<bieb>
the reason I was asking is I want to add a text image with guest login information. Currently in win when you ctrl+alt+del to get the login box, there is a box prior that gives the info about guests and usage
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<Lns>
bieb: oh yeah i know about that box, i remember learning about that a long time ago
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vagrantc: i'll note the update-alternatives too
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<bieb>
yeah so the boss was looking at my client the other day.. with its nice clean login page.. and said "we need to put that guest login info on this page"
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<vagrantc>
Lns: most of what you have there is probably worth getting into the upstream docs
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<Lns>
vagrantc: mmk =)
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man, it only took me like 15 minutes to write..heh
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<Lns>
vagrantc: hmm, update-alternatives doesn't see the new directory i put in the theme dir
16:59
where does it store that info?
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<vagrantc>
Lns: you've got to tell update-alternatives about it ... it's kind of clumsy and awkward... but look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/ldm*.postinst for how
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<Lns>
(ah, in the chroot)
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oh wow it's hardcoded in there
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I think i'll just leave that part out of the wiki, i don't see a good reason for someone to use that instead...do you?
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<vagrantc>
nope
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Lns: it existed before LDM_THEME existed
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<Lns>
ok, cool
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<bieb>
alright.. time to head home.. talk to you guys tomorrow... have a good night
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<Lns>
bye bieb
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<Lns>
I'm outta here too, off to install new custom themes and make teachers and students light up with glee ;)
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<atomic007za>
cheers bieb
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cheers Lns
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<Lns>
bye atomic007za
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<vagrantc>
atomic007za: you might want to try partimage for copying partitions around, too. i've had pretty good luck with it
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you don't end up copying un-used space and such
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<atomic007za>
vagrantc: is it also comersal software?
17:10
<vagrantc>
atomic007za: no, free software
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<vagrantc>
atomic007za: http://packages.debian.org/partimage
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surely available with other distros, too
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<atomic007za>
will look for it now thanks
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<atomic007za>
would I use the CD, or install it?
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vagrantc: would I use the CD, or install it?
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<vagrantc>
atomic007za: i would boot to LTSP and use it, but that's me.
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<atomic007za>
I have ubuntu installed but surely linux will be using that HDD
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<vagrantc>
atomic007za: it's just a commandline program- you can run it from wherever you want.
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<atomic007za>
ic thanks
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<vagrantc>
atomic007za: but yes, you don't want to run it on a live filesystem ... so you need to boot to some other media ... a live cd, LTSP, whatever.
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<atomic007za>
I could have saved myself the trouble but have clients new server here with i7 precessor and was keen to get it up and running, 2nd hdd is @ thier school
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*their
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17:30* vagrantc might tag ltsp 5.1.81 tonight
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18:58* vagrantc uploads ltsp 5.1.81-1 to debian
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<vagrantc>
and calls it a night
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