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Channel log from 29 July 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<jonkke>
Hi
03:39
does anyone know how to get local_apps work in xfce4 wm?
03:40
firefox works as local_app fine when i choose gnome session, but on xfce4 i can't get it to work as local
03:46
forget that... i just got it workin by myself... so usual that i search for answer for long time and when i ask someone about it, then i solve problem on my own.
03:47
ltsp-localapps [application] was answer
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<ogra>
http://blogs.arm.com/smart-mobile-devices/first-taste-of-an-arm-powered-netbook-and-its-good/
04:11* ogra dances
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04:25
<vagrantc>
someone here has a pink arm netbook
04:25
<ogra>
yeah, NCommander told me :)
04:26
i saw it on computex videos already
04:26
vagrantc, btw, ncommander has his babbage board with him, find him and you can test ltsp ;)
04:28
<vagrantc>
ogra: thanks for the tip
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<ogra>
vagrantc, what the heck is insserv ?
04:36* ogra reads the mail from Andre Majorel on ltsp-discuss
04:38
<vagrantc>
ogra: some init ... replacement? tweak? not exactly sure.
04:38
<ogra>
weird
04:38
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah, it tweaks init scripts to run using LSB dependency headers... i think
04:38
well, tweaks the init system to order them in that way
04:38
<ogra>
i thought debian wanted to move to upstart as well
04:38* vagrantc doesn't follow all the details
04:39* ogra just read a report about the combined ubuntu/debian init system sprint a while ago
04:40
<vagrantc>
ogra: the craziest thing i've heard this debconf is the release team's talk ... planning to freeze this december.
04:40
<ogra>
haha
04:40
is vorlon still RM ?
04:40
<vagrantc>
no
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<ogra>
vagrantc, heh, so you found him :)
04:51
<vagrantc>
ogra: not in person yet ... just in irc :)
04:52
<ogra>
ah
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<ogra>
vagrantc, why do you set disable-shm in your patch ?
05:51
it is already set on the pulse cmdline
05:52
<vagrantc>
ogra: because i forgot to test without it ... i remembered thinking that myself
05:52
ogra: currently building an arm LTSP for a sheevaplug
05:53
<ogra>
heh
05:53
with what graphics driver ?
05:53
<vagrantc>
no graphics driver!
05:53
<ogra>
lol
05:53
<vagrantc>
actually, i should remember to just to ltsp-client-core ... install would go a lot faster
05:54* ogra was always wanting one of these USB->VGA adapters
05:54
<vagrantc>
yeah, heard about those ... sound crazy.
05:54
<ogra>
oh, another thing i was wondering, what is the --kernel-packages commandline option ? isnt that just resembling --late-packages ?
05:55
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, it overrides the autodetection of the kernel
05:55
<ogra>
given that --late-packages was initially designed to install the kernel package
05:55
ah
05:55
<vagrantc>
if --kernel-packages is set, don't bother to figure out what kernel to use ... but yeah, it's basically just added to late-packages
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06:53
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: are you applying for DD status?
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<Blinny>
drunk and disorderly?
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<pmatulis>
why is -updates (sources.list) not a default in the client chroot?
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<ogra>
isnt it ? i thought we added it in jaunty
08:08
<pmatulis>
no
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<alkisg>
pmatulis: did you use the alternate cd for installation, or did you manually call ltsp-build-client?
08:12
<ogra>
pmatulis, right, ltsp-trunk/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/010-manage-mirror agrees with you ...
08:12* ogra thought he saw a patch from stgraber fly by
08:12
<pmatulis>
manually but i'm pretty sure the initial cd didn't set it up either (could be wrong)
08:12
<ogra>
that plugin needs massive love for security too
08:13
its all hardcoded debian stuff
08:13
<alkisg>
pmatulis: I think it copies the server's sources.list, so updates are enabled by default
08:13
<ogra>
pmatulis, the CD enforces --copy-sourceslist
08:13
right
08:13
CD installs just clone what the server has
08:14
vagrantc_, that ltsp-build-client output in Bug#539116 looks weird, i wonder what shell and what locale he uses
08:15
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ISO-8859-1)
08:15
hmm, might be an UTF-8 prob
08:16
why the heck do people still use ISO-8859-1 today ...
08:16
should be forbidden
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: sure looked weird to me...
08:18
<ogra>
well, its either UTF-8 related, his TERM variable might affect it or he uses something broken like tcsh
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<bengreen_>
hey all
08:47
we've got a debian sid install here, can't seem to get NFS share from /opt/ltsp to mount
08:47
anyone experiencing same?
08:47
NFS is usually so solid
08:48
also the client is looking for nbi.img and it doesn't exist
08:49
but that's kind of secondary since NFS won't mount
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<ogra>
nbi.img is a red herring :)
08:50
<bengreen_>
cheer ogra
08:50
cheers ogra
08:50
<ogra>
thats just because the initramfs sees it ...
08:50
<bengreen_>
sees it?
08:50
<ogra>
if you are at the mounting stage you already had a PXE boot
08:50
<bengreen_>
indeed we have
08:50
yeah, it's fine up until that point
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08:51
<ogra>
did you check your nfs setup on the server ?
08:51
<bengreen_>
exports looks fine, but on the server it won't mount either
08:51* ogra hasnt used nfs in a long time
08:51
<ogra>
ubuntu uses nbd by default so i never had to :)
08:52
<bengreen_>
but surely the / is still mounted over NFS
08:52
<ogra>
sounds definately like a server prob
08:52
not on ubuntu
08:52
no nfs involved at all
08:52
its way to slow
08:52
<bengreen_>
nbd is purely for the swap isn't it
08:52
<ogra>
in debian, yes
08:53
<bengreen_>
ltsp-5.1 - I thought they took most of that from Ubuntu and modded it
08:53
seems that it's forked considerably then
08:53
<ogra>
well, we develop together :)
08:53
<bengreen_>
:)
08:53
<ogra>
its not one takes from the other, its a collaborative way of doing things
08:53
<bengreen_>
okay
08:54
<ogra>
debian decided to stay with nfs ... offering nbd as an optional thing
08:54
<bengreen_>
I guess I thought that as Ubuntu kicked it all off
08:54
<ogra>
ubuntu decided to move forward with nbd offering nfs as an optional thing :)
08:54
right, it was kicked off in ubuntu, but development was always done with debian developers involved too
08:55
from the very beginning
08:55* ogra points to vagrantc_ who nowadays does more maintenance than himself
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<ogra>
and development :)
08:56
<bengreen_>
well it's an NFS problem I'm having, so should look at NFS folks I guess, was wondering if any had had similar experiences
08:56
<ogra>
bengreen_, well, make sure you can mount /opt/ltsp via nfs locally first, if that works ltsp will work as well
08:58
<bengreen_>
ogra, I've been a right plonker, portmap is configured to bind only to 127.0.0.1
08:59
<ogra>
heh
08:59
<bengreen_>
a quick dpkg-reconfigure and they're booting
08:59
<ogra>
thats a security feature i'd say :)
08:59
though that default should be preseeded properly by ltsp-server then
08:59
vagrantc_, ^^^
09:02
<bengreen_>
I have a boot client that can't run LDM now
09:04
<vagrantc_>
hrm?
09:04
bengreen_: you get all the luck
09:04
<bengreen_>
:)
09:05
I'm fairly please to have got this far TBH
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<bengreen_>
first try with LTSP-5
09:05
<vagrantc_>
bengreen_: xserver-xorg-video-vesa has been broken in sid for a long time ... do you think it's using vesa?
09:05
<bengreen_>
we've been using 4.2 here for ages
09:05
could be vagrantc_
09:06
I'll have look
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<vagrantc_>
ah, maybe it finally got fixed
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<ogra>
vagrantc_, what i meant was the default of portmap listening on loopback only
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: hmmm... wonder when that changed
09:08
<matttttt>
i was asking yesterday about how much data is sent over the wire from power on to ldm login screen per client, i used iptraf under lan station monitor and watched the mac of my client, looks like only 1.5m to the login screen, my image is about 160m. can that be right? is that the right way to measure it?
09:09
<ogra>
matttttt, ubuntu ?
09:09
<vagrantc_>
matttttt: sure. it only downloads parts of the image it actually uses
09:09
<matttttt>
ogra: opensuse
09:09
<ogra>
ah, well, using nbd as well then
09:09
yes, thats right
09:09
<vagrantc_>
though 1.5M seems small
09:09
<matttttt>
seemed small to me too.
09:09
<ogra>
nfs will be a bit more
09:09
<vagrantc_>
i'd expect more like 10-20M
09:09
<matttttt>
i did it a few times, came up with about the same numbers
09:10
<vagrantc_>
i mean, the X binary itself is larger than that
09:10
even compressed
09:10
<ogra>
yeah, sould be arther around 10M
09:10
*rather
09:10
<vagrantc_>
well, i managed to get a kernel network booting on this sheevaplug, but i can't figure out how to load an initramfs
09:11
<matttttt>
well any suggestions on a different method of measuring? i'm stumped.
09:11
i need to give our network guys some rough number for this so they'll calm down
09:12
<ace_suares>
hey ogra vagrantc_ you know what is fun too? I f you have the server sources.list using ssh
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<ace_suares>
i have local repo and use ssh with sshkeys on the server to get to another server
09:12
ltsp-buildclient goes along with it fine until it switches to the chroot
09:13
first it doesnt have the same /etc/hosts so 'bika' is unknown :-)
09:13
<cyberorg>
matttttt, try iptraf
09:13
<ace_suares>
then also, the chroot doesnt have the ssh keys needed to login to the other srerver
09:13
he he
09:13
<ogra>
vagrantc_, yeah, arm is fun, what bootloader is that ?
09:13
<cyberorg>
oh you already tried that
09:13
<ogra>
ace_suares, write a plugin that copies them
09:14
<ace_suares>
yeah i will ogra after the wiki clean up
09:14
<matttttt>
cyber, that's what i'm using. i'm under 'lan station monitor' - power on the client, and then take the total bytes for the clients mac after it's sitting at login screen.
09:14
*shrug*
09:14* ace_suares estimates in 2020
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<cyberorg>
matttttt, run iptraf on the ltsp server, monitor it from there
09:14
<matttttt>
that's what i'm doing
09:14
<vagrantc_>
ogra: uboot
09:15
ogra: any clues?
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<cyberorg>
matttttt, just the initrd is 11M + about 4M kernel
09:16
<ogra>
vagrantc_, http://www.klc.net.nz/linux/?page_id=10 ?
09:17
vagrantc_, fatload ide 0 a1000000 uImage; && fatload ide 0 a2000000 ramdisk.img
09:17
he calls it ramdisk.img, but it should be essentially the same
09:17
<vagrantc_>
sounds like that's loading from the local disk...
09:17
<ogra>
you might need to adjust the memory address and what device you load from
09:18
<alkisg>
matttttt: give iftop a try
09:18
and make sure to monitor the correct nic, e.g. iftop -i eth1
09:22
<ogra>
vagrantc_, ah, martin, always helpful http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html
09:23
setenv bootargs_root 'root=/dev/sda1 rootdelay=10'
09:23
setenv bootcmd_usb 'usb start; ext2load usb 0:1 0x0800000 /boot/uInitrd; ext2load usb 0:1 0x400000 /boot/uImage'
09:23
setenv bootcmd 'setenv bootargs $(console) $(bootargs_root); run bootcmd_usb; bootm 0x400000 0x0800000'
09:23
saveenv
09:23
there you go
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<ogra>
you are lucky they use uboot ...
09:24
apex and redboot are a massive pain
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09:28* vagrantc_ still hasn't found anything to load initramfs over the network ...
09:28
<vagrantc_>
i guess just build a custom kernel with NFSROOT support
09:28
<ogra>
oh, network
09:28
<vagrantc_>
heh :)
09:32
<ogra>
just put initramfs and kernel on usb
09:32
and follow the howto
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: suppose so.
09:33
ogra: seeing the kernel boot and kernel panic seems so close ... seems perplexing that it's so difficult to load initramfs
09:36
<bengreen__>
I'm getting an error when upgrading the ltsp chroot here
09:36
<ogra>
are you sure the sheeva uboot has support for the NIC builtin ?
09:36
<bengreen__>
"Service mountvirtfs has to be enabled to start server ltsp-client-setup"
09:37
<vagrantc_>
ogra: it downloads the kernel.... it just can't mount the root filesystem
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<vagrantc_>
bengreen__: try squeeze, or delve into the new init system just uploaded to sid
09:38
<ogra>
vagrantc_, well, then just load the initramfs with the same command you issues to get the kernel
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<bengreen__>
vagrantc_, which init system?#
09:38
I have inserv installed
09:38
insserv
09:38
<vagrantc_>
bengreen__: that's the one
09:38
<ogra>
vagrantc_, important is that you load your initramfs to 0x0800000
09:39
<bengreen__>
that's what's producing the error vagrantc_
09:39
<vagrantc_>
bengreen__: yes, and i'm saying debug it, or stop using it
09:39
bengreen__: it's unstable.
09:39
bengreen__: it's broken.
09:39
<bengreen__>
okay
09:39
aparently so
09:39
<ogra>
if you loaded your kernel to 0x400000 the bootm command is then: bootm 0x400000 0x0800000
09:39
<vagrantc_>
bengreen__: either fix it, or use something else
09:39
<ogra>
that should execute both, kernel and initramfs
09:39
<vagrantc_>
ogra: ah!
09:39
<dark4og>
Is there any way to RDM with Mac? (to a LTSP Server)
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: that's it!
09:42
<ogra>
;)
09:42
<vagrantc_>
it's stalling on dhcp ...
09:42
<ogra>
no NIC driver in the initramfs ?
09:43
<vagrantc_>
seems to be...
09:43
[ 21.410000] eth0: link up, 100 Mb/s, full duplex, flow control disabled
09:43
<ogra>
hmm
09:43
<vagrantc_>
ah, it's using the hard-coded addresses
09:43
<ogra>
heh
09:44
<vagrantc_>
not from dhcp...
09:44
<ogra>
ipconfig misbehaving ?
09:44
<matttttt>
ok well looked at the interface stats on the cisco switchport, it's pulling more like 38m
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: GAH. now it won't get dhcp ... it's using the second ethernet from the Marvell prompt
09:50* vagrantc_ resets it with setenv
09:51
<vagrantc_>
gah. i forgot to set the serial console
09:53
<dark4og>
Currently running LTSP 5 with 8 Thin Clients attached to a Dell 2850 Dual Xeon 2.2 gig 1 gig ram Gig Lan, The CPU is getting wooped up on! Running Firefox, Evince and OOo, it the RAM that should be pumped up?
09:53
<moldy>
dark4og: probably, 1 gib is very low
09:54
<dark4og>
K Thx..
09:54
<alkisg>
dark4og: check the ltsp docs for LDM_DIRECTX
09:54
That's the major cpu hog.... Performance vs security
09:55
<moldy>
dark4og: i have a similiar network, my server has 4 gib ram. if all clients are online, 2-3 gib are in use, usually.
09:55
<dark4og>
moldy: Thanks for the heads up..
09:55* vagrantc_ tries with hard-coded networking information
09:56
<dark4og>
alkisg: will look into the LDM_DIRECTX
09:56
<moldy>
dark4og: you could use free -m to check how many swap is in use
09:56
s/many/much
09:57
<vagrantc_>
aha! it's booting!
09:57
<dark4og>
moldy: total used free shared buffers cached
09:57
Mem: 1010 935 75 0 5 167
09:57
-/+ buffers/cache: 762 248
09:57
Swap: 2957 947 2010
09:58* ogra applauds vagrantc_
09:58
<moldy>
dark4og: yeah, ram is your problem
09:58
<dark4og>
moldy: Thanks
09:58
<alkisg>
dark4og: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2699167
09:58
<moldy>
dark4og: you're using almost 1 gib of swap... that's a performance killer for sure
09:59
get at least 2 gib, better 4
10:00
<dark4og>
moldy: What is too much?
10:00
<moldy>
?
10:01
<dark4og>
moldy:Ram.. I have a 16gig ram server we just purchased... I think we will go live with it this weekend
10:01
<moldy>
dark4og: ah, ok
10:02
for ~10 clients with typical desktop usage (firefox, openoffice and the like), 4 gib is enough, in my experience
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<dark4og>
moldy: I was just wondering if we needed to work on some application issues, will be using the current one as a redundent back up
10:04
moldy: Got it, 4 gib will level them out.
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<root>
Gadi:Go time for a quick ?
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<Gadi>
Guest85529: you're not an undercover cop posing as a prostitute, are you?
10:06
<alkisg>
Heh
10:06
<Gadi>
narc
10:06
<Guest85529>
if one can ping a machine via an vpn why would net::ping always give a positive reaction even if host is down?
10:06
<Gadi>
:P
10:07
now you sound like confucious
10:09
Guest85529: so, you have a VPN established.... you ping an IP address with no response... but, perl's Net::Ping gives you a positive result?
10:10
is that the question on the table?
10:10
<vagrantc_>
ogra: the bulk of the ugliness was dealt with by your qemu-arm-eabi ...
10:10
<ogra>
:D
10:11
its really time qemu-arm-static comes along
10:11
and qemu-mips-static and qemu-ppc-static :)
10:12
<vagrantc_>
ogra: well, i'll work on that now.
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<vagrantc_>
ogra: i mean, i grabbed qemu 0.11.0-rc0 and built static packages out of it ... but really it should be done with multiple passes in the regular qemu sources
10:12
<ogra>
yeah
10:12
<Guest85529>
Gadi:that was me that asked that dumb question
10:13
<ogra>
we'll definately have it in ubuntu if debian doesnt come up with it before
10:13
<Guest85529>
oh crap..i am not me
10:13
<ogra>
i'll put some time into it
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<cliebow>
?
10:13
<vagrantc_>
ogra: and i also credit you for the magic trying to figure out how to load this stuff ...
10:13
ogra: basically, it requires two separate build directories ... one for static, and one for dynamic builds ...
10:14
ogra: simplest way, though klunky, would be to copy the whole source tree into a sub-dir and doing the build there.
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<ogra>
vagrantc_, are you actually working on a debian debdiff (you sound like it)
10:16
<vagrantc_>
ogra: i've been looking at it, yes.
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10:16
<vmlintu>
Has anyone ever done kernel debugging through serial port?
10:16* ogra hugs vagrantc_
10:17
<vagrantc_>
ogra: the two members of the debian qemu team are looking for help...
10:18
<ogra>
two ?
10:18
<vagrantc_>
yes
10:18
<ogra>
i thought i saw something like ten in the uploaders list in the package
10:18
<Gadi>
vmlintu: http://geco.phys.columbia.edu/~jrollins/howtos/serial_console.html
10:19
(if thats what ur after)
10:19
<vagrantc_>
ogra: http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qemu.html lists 3, but josh just resigned in svn.
10:19
<ogra>
bah
10:19
<cliebow>
Gadi:any comments on my question posed as an undercover prostiturte dressed as a policeman?
10:19
or policeperson
10:20
<Gadi>
hehe - cliebow, did I rephrase correctly?
10:20
<cliebow>
sure did!
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<Gadi>
are you sure that you are using Net::Ping correctly? did you test on a local IP that is down?
10:21
<cliebow>
yes
10:21
<Gadi>
so, it is only one on the other side of the VPN that is down but Net::Ping thinks is up
10:21
<vmlintu>
Gadi: I'm gearing up to do some debugging on thin client that freezes randomly and I've been reading tutorials, but probably there are some caveats I should know before I head to store to get some usb-serial adapters
10:22
<Gadi>
vmlintu: get a serial null cable
10:22
er, null modem cable
10:22
<ltsppbot>
Someone pasted "#!/usr/bin/perl #Version000-5" (32 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/458
10:22
<Gadi>
don't go crazy with USB->serial
10:23
<vmlintu>
The thin client has a serial port, but none of my other boxes do..
10:23
<cliebow>
Gadi i pasted..not positive this is the final
10:25
<vmlintu>
Should I try to find a box with serial port instead of using a usb-serial-adapter?
10:25
<ogra>
usb-serial usually is no prob
10:27
<Gadi>
cliebow: ah - Net::Ping uses tcp by default, rather than icmp
10:27
<ogra>
but get different serial cables and gender changers, somethines the real serial ports are picky
10:27
<Gadi>
cliebow: see what you get with: my $p=Net::Ping->new("icmp")
10:27
that should be equivalent to ping from cli
10:27* ogra wonders who had the insane idea to make a ping command default to tcp
10:27
<cliebow>
wow..i'll give that a whirl
10:28
<rjune_wrk>
that's neat.
10:28
<ogra>
must be perl :)
10:28
<rjune_wrk>
they're insane anyway
10:28
perl, the only language where being drunk makes the code more readable
10:28
<cliebow>
works for me!
10:29
<vmlintu>
ogra: you mean not getting a null-modem cable but a normal serial cable + gender changer?
10:29
<ogra>
more readable doesnt mean you understand it though :)
10:29
vmlintu, i would get a bunch ... null modem, serial, gender changer along with the usb-serial
10:29
<Gadi>
cliebow: you can also use "external" if it is installed on your system, which should use the external ping command
10:30
<cliebow>
ok cool
10:30
<Gadi>
see: http://perldoc.perl.org/Net/Ping.html
10:30
<vmlintu>
ogra: ok, I'll check what they have.. the hard locks on the thin client are driving me crazy..
10:31
<cliebow>
That works just fine i think..you ARE the man!
10:32
<bengreen__>
right, we've got some stuff booting here
10:33
up to X, but were using a Lenny client build, with a sid server
10:33
can't log in, just says "Verifying password, please wait..."
10:34
is that what I should expect?
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<alkisg>
bengreen__: try ltsp-update-sshkeys
10:37
<bengreen__>
oh, got some stuff in the logs then
10:37
cheers alkisg
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<bengreen__>
alkisg, not working, still just pauses
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<alkisg>
Pauses? Doesn't restart ldm?
10:42
<ogra>
your ssh server is running ?
10:42
<bengreen__>
yeah, eventually
10:42
yeah, eventually it restarts ldm
10:43* bengreen__ blushes
10:43
<bengreen__>
no it wasn't not idea why
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<bengreen__>
cheers alkisg I now have a fully working setup
10:46
first ltsp5 install done!
10:46
<alkisg>
That would be "cheers ogra" :)
10:46
<bengreen__>
cheers alkisg ogra_ vagrantc_ and anyone else who I've forgotten helped :)
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<Ahmuck>
i'm getting squash errors
11:41
rather than pumpkin
11:41
<bieb>
still having some client connectivity issues. I have the server connected to Active Directory... the client gets the login screen, enter login info.. "No Response from Server. Restarting" it doesn't matter how I enter the info... username , domain\username , username@domain what should I check next? Would tcp dump provide any help on this one??
11:42
<Ahmuck>
squash errors on logout
11:44
<vagrantc_>
ok, almost ready to tag ltsp-5.1.79...
11:45
although it's perplexing why 5.1.77-1 hasn't yet migrated to squeeze/testing ... i'd hate to slow that hitting testing
11:50
<Ahmuck>
having sound issues. switched from pulseaudio to alsa i think, and still having sound issues
11:53* alkisg wonders why the nouveau drivers need dkms installed in the chroot, while non of the other drivers need it...
11:54
<johnny>
huh.. it shouldn't need dkms..
11:54
only closed drivers should need it iirc?
11:54
is it distributed outside of the kernel source in ubuntu version you have?
11:55
that's what dkms is needed for
11:55
<alkisg>
Yes, but I don't know why
11:55
<johnny>
because it wasn't in the kernel for your version? :)
11:55
<alkisg>
Maybe because it's somekind of beta?
11:55
<johnny>
that's my guess
11:55
well there ya go.. thats a reasonable reason to use dkms
11:55
<alkisg>
Hm... so it'll be fine once it's stable, I guess
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<alkisg>
No problem then (I was worried :))
11:56
<johnny>
well.. that's the packagename?
11:57
<alkisg>
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
11:57
I think it'll be the default nvidia driver in Karmic..
11:57
(and that's a *really* good thing for thin clients)
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<johnny>
no.. you don't need dkms for xserver-org drivers
12:03
alkisg, it might just be that ubuntu always installs it by default now
12:04
if you don't have any other packages with nouveau in the name
12:04
and you didn't accidentally install the nvidia drivers :)
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<alkisg>
Well, dkms *does* compile the nouveau drivers while booting...
12:06
lemme check the deps...
12:06
<johnny>
it ain't compiling xorg drivers..
12:07
it must be something else
12:07
and that would be annoying on a terminal wouldn't it :)
12:07
<alkisg>
Yup, it is :)
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<alkisg>
That's the one: alkisg@alkis:~$ apt-cache show nouveau-kernel-source|grep Depends
12:09
Depends: make, dkms, patch
12:17
<bieb>
still having some client connectivity issues. I have the server connected to Active Directory... the client gets the login screen, enter login info.. "No Response from Server. Restarting" it doesn't matter how I enter the info... username , domain\username , username@domain what should I check next? Would tcp dump provide any help on this one??
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<rjune_wrk>
one of the logfiles / in /var/log should clue you in
12:19
you should be able to log in locally too. if you can't do that, you probably don't have the AD integration right
12:20
<vagrantc_>
bieb: are you able to ssh to that machine as the same user?
12:20
<bieb>
funny thing is it worked perfectly when the server was in my office.. now that I have moved it to the server room goofy issues
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<bieb>
vagrantc_: I will check that.. will that authenticate against AD?
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<vagrantc_>
bieb: well, if it doesn't, that's your problem, because LDM uses ssh to connect to the server.
12:23
<bieb>
ok
12:30
vagrantc_: I can login in through ssh as a regular user, including an account the was just created in AD a week ago
12:32
<vagrantc_>
bieb: look in the user's home directory for an .xsession-errors file in there ... see if there's anything in there suggesting what's wrong.
12:33
<matttttt>
can directx and nxagent be used together?
12:33
directx just means no ssh wrapper for x, right?
12:35
<bieb>
vagrantc_: no .xsession-errors in the new student account. In my account there is one, but no errors since the 23rd when I was doing other testing
12:35
<Ahmuck>
that's confusing
12:36
shoulda named directx something else
12:36
<matttttt>
ahmuck, am i correct in what directx is?
12:37
<vagrantc_>
well, it still uses ssh for authentication, but otherwise the session goes unencrypted
12:37
<matttttt>
right, ok.
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<Lns>
Would it be sane to request that the libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio be included with an LTSP server installation in Ubuntu? If you haven't all heard my relentless chatter already, this solves major issues regarding running SDL apps on thin clients.
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<Q-FUNK>
re
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<bieb>
vagrantc_: sorry.. I was afk
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<coldfusion>
hi, i'm using ltsp5 and i'm getting an error on boot of a client - 'mounting none on /newchroot failed: No such device'
14:29
i'm sure it's something simple
14:29
is it a kernel module or something that i'm missing?
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<Ahmuck>
i've got a problem where the thin client isn't exiting cleanly (?). upon logging back in, firefox is still open and won't open. the logout is not functioning properly it seems
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<coldfusion>
:(
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<bieb>
Has there been any dates set for BTS09?
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<Ahmuck>
oddly nuff, even a server reboot won't release firefox
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<nubae>
release? You mean kill the process?
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<Ahmuck>
yes
16:09
actually it appears the userspace is still mounted
16:09
as well
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<coldfusion>
heh, for _some_ reason, unionfs wasn't compiled in to the kernel :(
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(i'm sure i'd done it! honest!)
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<alumno08>
hi
17:22
h ave a problem here
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suddenly in some machines (or users), the theme failed and is the default theme instead, and the keyboard locales too
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<alumno08>
hey guys i really have a problem here
17:40
in some users i lost the keyboard locales configuration
17:40
is a ltsp system for learning and at this moment half of users cannot type well , help me please
17:45
<Ahmuck>
somethings not right. went to sound and changed everything to "alsa". opened terminal and "alsamixer" but it shows pulseaudio, not alsa mixer
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<alumno08>
the theme and the keyboard layout was set to default unexpectedly and i cannot fix, help me please
17:51
help me please guys
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<coldfusion>
odd... i'm getting 'permission denied' errors while using these initscripts
17:59
i'm using unionfs
17:59
any ideas?
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<coordinador>
coldfusion, sorry
18:07
how can i change xorg configuration in boxes? since they set suddenly to default configuration, themes too
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<coldfusion>
dammit... so close to a working system too :(
18:13
hmm
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<coordinador>
damn help pls
18:19
<coldfusion>
sorry, cant
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<Ahmuck>
k, i just tried to run a SDL app on the server and the sound was horrible, skipping, etc.
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<supreme>
hey
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<coordinador>
i hope you are not sleeping
22:12
<Ahmuck>
us sleep !
22:12
i think i may have located some of my sound problems
22:13
nVidia Corporation CK804 - i think it's this chip. server side, not sure about client side
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<coordinador>
hey, i have a really weird problem
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<Ahmuck>
tell us
22:14
<coordinador>
suddenly the keyboard layout and theme set with default configuration, and i cannot change back
22:14
simply the new config cannot take effect :/
22:18
i restarted the server, put the keyboard configuration directly into /etc/X11/xorg.conf , but nothing
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<coordinador>
any idea Ahmuck-Jr ?
22:39
somebody?
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<coordinador>
oh everybody is sleeping already
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<coordinador>
please guys
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<Ahmuck>
hi. does ltsp client use the video card of the client?
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<coordinador>
Ahmuck, yes but not too much, just to browse the graphics that server sends, i think
23:42
<Ahmuck>
is the server sending graphics from it's video card?
23:42
<coordinador>
no
23:43
i think videocard does nothing since nothing comes out from the videocard... (sorry for my english)
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<class1>
so, i've corrected sound on teh server, but i'm getting this http://pastebin.be/20076 on the client. however it doesn't happen all the time
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<class1>
k, autosensing jacks is causing the error i posted
23:55
speakers not pluged in
23:56
No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. - just lost sound
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<class2>
logging out and logging back in as another user doesn't fix the client. only a reboot will fix the client
23:59
so how do i find what sound card/video card the client thinks it's using?