IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 20 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<MetztliXictli>
http://compuevolucion.cymaho.com/linux.png
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http://compuevolucion.cymaho.com/jam.png
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<gonzaloaf_laptop>
hi is there a list of people using ltsp?
02:32
<MetztliXictli>
yes
02:32
we all use ltsp
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<IRCzito>
I can follow http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/CustomLtspKernels to make Custom kernel for ltsp5??
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<sep>
IRCzito, not realy
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just chroot into your ltsp dir (/opt/ltsp/i386
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and do your kenel in there as the usualy instructions for your distribution
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then use ltsp-update-kernels
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<davidj>
Good morning, all.
06:52* davidj is just lurking ATM
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<IRCzito>
sep: hummm ok
06:52
sep: thanks
06:54
<ogra>
IRCzito, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild install the resulting package in the chroot and as sep said, run ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot
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<ogra>
IRCzito, if you use ltsp5 with debian there should be a similar howto ...
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<sep>
IRCzito, i just used a kernel from backports.org on debian.
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<envite>
hello all from Spain
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<davidj>
envite: Hello from US
07:21
<envite>
Hello davidj
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<davidj>
jammcq: good morning.
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<jammcq>
davidj: hey, how ya doin?
07:26
<davidj>
Not bad
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You?
07:26
envite: Where are you in Spain?
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<envite>
davidj: Canary Islands
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<jammcq>
hmm, that's almost spain, eh?
07:27
<envite>
jammcq: Canary Islands is Spain in the same sense that Madrid is
07:27
<davidj>
I've got a great friend who's from the Canarias. He lives in Castellon now..
07:28
jammcq: Quit yanking envite's chain ;-)
07:28
envite: jammcq te est'a tomando el pelo
07:28
<envite>
nah :)
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<jammcq>
envite: cool
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<davidj>
Hmm, my keyboard layout hotkey isn't working. Wonder why?
07:31
<envite>
davidj: about your keyboard, are you talking about X or console?
07:31
<davidj>
console
07:31
I had it working a while back, but not now.
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<envite>
huh, I've never fixed that in console
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<davidj>
I've been tinkering a lot on this machine.
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<bip>
hello ...
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<davidj>
It still works manually, though
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<bip>
i was here yesterday with an other nick
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discussing the possibility of usingg etherboot for PC cards
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<bip>
now i have checked and i see no reason why an etherboot floppy cannot be built ...
07:40
but once i manage to get etherboot working will the kernel of ltsp 4.2 work with such setup ?
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<jammcq>
bip: what kind of card?
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<bip>
it s a 32 bit pc card jammcq
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<jammcq>
good luck with that
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<bip>
not sure about chipset ...
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ok
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but am i right eherboot wil work
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<jammcq>
why do you think it'll work?
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<bip>
then the ltsp kernel will panic right jammcq ?
07:41
well
07:41
i was reading the docs today and i didn t see any reason it should t work
07:42
beside today a colleague told me on the phone that he thinks thos cards r usually seen as pci card by the kernel
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but hey we could surely be both wrong jammcq
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<jammcq>
once the pci-pcmcia bridge is up and running
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<bip>
i dont have the card here now so i cant do much further testing
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and etherbot has issues with that bridge jammcq ?
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or is ltsp having issue ?
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i m trying to understand the problem now
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first i need to undertsand then fix or maybe just skip ;-)
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is etherboot working with pci-pcmcia bridge jammcq ?
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or it does not ?
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<jammcq>
there is very minimal support for that
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<bip>
mmm
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ok
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<jammcq>
go to the #etherboot channel and ask mdc or anselm
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<bip>
ok
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thanx for the hint
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:)
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everybody is always nice and helpful here :)
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<envite>
bip: no, I'm almost always a bad bug here ;)
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<bip>
well i m a bastard too
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but not here ;-)
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<davidj>
jammcq: I just ran across a package called cachefilesd. Have you heard of it?
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<jammcq>
davidj: haven't seen it. what does it do?
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<davidj>
cache nfs locally on disk
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<jammcq>
hmm
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<davidj>
That was my response ;-)
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Most ltsp terminals don't have disks, but in large networks it might be interesting.
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<jammcq>
i'm just thinking there's a tradeoff between nfs speed and memory usage
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<davidj>
I haven't played with it to see how much memory it needs.
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<jammcq>
well, it's gonna need as much as it caches
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i'd imagine you could tune how large the cache is, and it would throw away old things in the cache, if it got full
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<davidj>
docs say it hooks the kernel's file cache cleanup routine so that it copies files to disk instead of dumping them.
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<jammcq>
"disk" ?
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<davidj>
disk
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<jammcq>
we don't have no stinking disks
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<davidj>
heh
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They are useful on memory-limitted terminals
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<jammcq>
to some people
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<davidj>
I've been using them for swap
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<jammcq>
I prefer to get rid of all moving parts
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moving parts are a liability
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<davidj>
Me, too, as an ideal, but in some cases it's more expedient to leave the disk in and use it.
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<bip>
jammcq, ok i spoke with mdc
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and we decided that booting from local disk is the better option
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<jammcq>
:)
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<bip>
now i have a question
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can i boot from local media while still enjoyn all the remote server power jammcq ?
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<jammcq>
sure
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<bip>
and do u know if this sort of setup has been already documented somewhere ?
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i m sure i m not the first one to do this
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i will chek the wiki now ...
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<envite>
that is not really ltsp
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<bip>
it s not ?
08:30
why ?
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<envite>
but it is easier to do ;)
08:30
<jammcq>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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<bip>
thanc jammcq :)
08:31
this is exactly what i needed :)
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<envite>
most ltsp problems for starters are for kernel and nfs passing
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in local booting you can avoid that
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<bip>
well i m not really a suysadmin either envite ;-)
08:32
<envite>
don't worry, nobody's perfect ;) I can't understand common english speech
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<davidj>
envite: Don't feel bad, I can't understand common whistled Canario ;-)
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<envite>
jajajajajajajajajaj
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<bip>
ok i have this setup
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<bip>
i have a perfectly working ltsp server into a vmware machine
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if tell my laptop to netboot it will boot from that server
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now i d love to trick that same laptop into using the pendrive instead
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just to understand the concept of botting ltsp from local device
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does standard ltsp kernel support PCMCIA ?
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if i boot from cd can i use stock ltsp kernel jammcq ?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 9 seconds ago: <ogra> IRCzito, if you use ltsp5 with debian there should be a similar howto ...
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<jammcq>
Scotty SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
08:55
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
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<bip>
does standard ltsp kernel support PCMCIA ?
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<Tarcisio>
algum brasileiro no canal
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<Tarcisio>
nenhum brasileiro
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ou fale portugues
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<bip>
ok to do what i need to do i need to use LBE
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not bein a developer a need some gentle pokin in the right direction .
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in folllowing this howto:
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http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/BootingFromLocalDevice
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when it says :
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Create a kernel source tree:
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<sbalneav>
Are you trying to boot from a PCMCIA
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<bip>
no i m not
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iim bypassing that sbalneav
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i wanna boot from cd
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<bip>
but apparently to boot from a local device i need to buil my own custom kernel sbalneav
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i collected some docs
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but some of the thing needs a tad of clarification
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for example when they say buil a kernel tre a wonder what r they tryin to say exactly ?
10:18
something like get the kernel tarbal anbd untar it into a dir ?
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why they dont just say that ? ;-)
10:19
i can understadn that
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but what means build the kernle tree ?
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if i sound dumb ...
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it is becaus ei m dumb
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<sbalneav>
It means what you just said.
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<bip>
ok
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<sbalneav>
But why boot off of a cd?
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<bip>
well
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because i cant boot from network
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<sbalneav>
Why not?
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<bip>
what should i boot from sbalneav ?
10:20
because it s a pc card and a old laptop
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<sbalneav>
So it's a PCMCIA network card?
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<bip>
so etherboot doesnt support it
10:21
yes
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and the bios doesnt include booting from network at all
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<sbalneav>
heh, I asked you above if you were trying to boot from a PCMCIA card.
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you said no
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<bip>
sorry i was confused
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i thought u were askin me if i was tryin to boot from that card
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and since i decided i cvan t
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now i m not tryin to boot from that card sbalneav
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i have apc card
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i d lve to boot from it
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but since it isnt possible i m tryin to figure a workaround
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<sbalneav>
a pc card? You mean, like a PCI based card? How'd you get that in a laptop
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<bip>
no no
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a PCMCIA card
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i said pc
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<sbalneav>
ah, ok, same card.
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<bip>
because i am lazy
10:23
yeah same card
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it s a old useless laptop
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k6
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small hd
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lil ram
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useless
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but it s tiny
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<sbalneav>
So why not do this.
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<bip>
so it would be a nice thin client
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<sbalneav>
1) install debian basic
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<bip>
wait i need to preserve the hd content
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<sbalneav>
2) change the X startup to do a X -query <serverip>
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<Lumiere>
change 1 to install debian basic on a 2G usb key
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<bip>
so i coulld install debian basic only if i could fit it into a very smal slice of the hd
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<Lumiere>
and you can still do the same thing
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<sbalneav>
That too.
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<bip>
wait
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this old sucker can t boot from usb
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<Lumiere>
well boo
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<bip>
and if it has usb it s very slow usb
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<Lumiere>
you don't care how fast the USB is
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<bip>
ok
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but it doesbt certanly boot from usb
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so even if it has a usb port
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<Lumiere>
what os is it using?
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<bip>
it ha winows xp now
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but runs slows as hell
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<Lumiere>
bleh
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<sbalneav>
bip: the 4.2 series of LTSP is essentially unsupported now. Here's another option
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<bip>
so i m talkin em into turnin it into a linux diskless terminal now
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<sbalneav>
boot a knoppix cd, and customize it to do an X -query <serverip>
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<bip>
well i have already a up and running 4.2 server sbalneav
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so it would be nice if i couldf get that client to boot
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<sbalneav>
yeah, ok, I realize that.
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<bip>
the server is already up and running
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<bip>
i jsut need to figure how to get the lil sucker to work
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<sbalneav>
but you're going to have to build a custom cd from scratch. That stuff isn't in LBE.
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<sbalneav>
We've never supported it.
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<bip>
well in the wiki there is a falsh card booting howto
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<bip>
i wondered if i could adpt that to cd booting sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
Sure, but you'd be on your own.
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<bip>
i have a generic cd booti g howto
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well actually i have 3 links then tell what i need
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i just can t figure how to merge em into something i understand
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well it s a nice hack
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<sbalneav>
How much development experience do you have?
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<bip>
ii m sure there r mmany of those laptops around sbalneav
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well i have been compiling some tarballs
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but i m not a coder
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i havce been using linux for over 5 years
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<sbalneav>
I'd say it'd be a big job.
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<bip>
and if i m forced i compile
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but usually i prefer to use binaries
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so what r the options ?
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lstp 5 would serve me better ?
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<sbalneav>
That's the server side.
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<bip>
get an other client ?
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yeah
10:31
i m exploring all the possible options
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<sbalneav>
Like I say
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<bip>
og course since i have a working ltsp 4.2 install i d let that option last
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<sbalneav>
boot knoppix, start X with X -query <server ip>
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<bip>
knoppix from client ?
10:32
u use knoppix has boot cd right ?
10:32
u would
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<sbalneav>
All ltsp does is just get you a working X server that can talk to a remote client. Knoppix will do that just as well, and they already have all the PCMCIA stuff figured out.
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<bip>
interesting
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ok
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yeah makes sense
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and sounds fast
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il try this
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very smart
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good i will let u know how it works
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did i already say what a bunch of great guys u r here ? ;-)
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<bip>
so i boot knoppix in text mode
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and when i m into a console i just type startx -query server ip ?
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i wasnt jokin ...
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when i said i m dumb ;-)
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<bip>
does latest knoppix still work from cd ?
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or it only boots from dvd now ?
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<irule>
bip I think there is a CD version with less bells and whistles
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<bip>
ok
10:42
great :)
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i dont need those ;-)
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<envite>
you can also try miniknoppix
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it fits in 8cm CD
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<bip>
a further question
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but if i do starts -query server ip il will use the x server from the ltsp machine
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but how do I get the tstp full pacakge ? like ruunin frograms from the serevr and saving data tehre
10:51
i m not sure knoppinx running on a old laptop is very exciting
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<MrChicken>
hello
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jammcq .. u there? :$
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<MrChicken>
guess not
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I'm having trouble getting sound in ltsp
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I alredy read the wiki
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and I can get sound in the console
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<MrChicken>
however when I start X i cant get sound
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<MrChicken>
when I open an xterm I get a "Couldn't open connectiion to ws200ltsp:9200: Invalid argument"
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<irule>
MrChicken maybe if you ping ws200ltsp and dont get a response, it means that there is a sipmple nameing problem arround your network configuration
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<MrChicken>
I can ping ws200.ltsp
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from X
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<sbalneav>
MrChicken: Did you do like jammcq suggested, and single step through the perl script on the server side?
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: what desktop are you using?
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if you use gnome, open a terminal and type: gstreamer-properties, change the audio sink to esd, and test
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<MrChicken>
sbalneav .. yeah
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discovered a small error
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and just fixed it
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but I still get the same problem
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I dont get any more the "couldnt open connection" error
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however I still cant get anything
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and I am using gnome and its already with esd
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<sbalneav>
How are you managing to come up with 9200 as a port, when esd communicates on 16001?
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9200's the printer port
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<MrChicken>
I do have a printer configured...
11:23
<Gadi>
actually, 9100 is printer - 9200 is ltspinfo
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iirc
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<sbalneav>
Hmm
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I can never remember. It's not ESD anyways :)
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hey gadi!
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<Gadi>
hey, sbalneav
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<sbalneav>
What's shakin?
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<MrChicken>
:(
11:25
<Gadi>
I hear u've started getting on the speaker circuit
11:25
<MrChicken>
Still notworking
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: are you using gnome?
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<sbalneav>
Phht. Like anyone's interested in what I have to say.
11:25
<Gadi>
i sure am
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i always am :)
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<sbalneav>
Expect my OSCON talk to be sparsly populated :)
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<Gadi>
thats only because nobody can spell oscon
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:)
11:26
no reflection on u
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hey, sbalneav, do you use vmware to test ltsp?
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im trying to figure out how to get my LTSP VM connected to my host's eth0
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i have done this before but so infrequently i forget
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<cliebow_>
a
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<MrChicken>
Gadi yes
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Im using gnome
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: open a terminal and type: gstreamer-properties, change the audio sink to esd, and test
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<sbalneav>
No, I don't use vmware
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<bip>
gadi
11:33
i use vmware
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r u using a virtual client or server ?
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or both ?
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<Gadi>
bip: server console
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running a pxe vm
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<bip>
ok
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<Gadi>
want to connect it to eth0 on my lappy
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<bip>
ok ok
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i do this costantly
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u have a vmware ltsp server
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<Gadi>
i have a real ltsp server
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on the host
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<bip>
ok
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<Gadi>
i have a vm client
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<bip>
and u want a ltso client to boot from it ok ?
11:34
ok
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<MrChicken>
Gadi... done, I get an error contructing pipeline
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<bip>
i have a diffrent experience
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i have a virtual server and i boot both virtual and phycal terms from it
11:35
but maybe i can still help Gadi
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sometimes i have dhcp fights
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<Gadi>
bip: I would be much appreciative :)
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<bip>
i need to turn off a dhcp server
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i have 2 dhcp serverrs
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one in my gateway and one in my virtual ltsp server
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sometimes the latop doesnt boot unless i stop the dhcp in the gw Gadi
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and i configured em to use diffrent ranges
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<Gadi>
well, its not getting any response at all
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<bip>
mm no response
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<Gadi>
so I think I have the ethernet connection wrong
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<bip>
ok
11:37
yeah
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use bridged
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<Gadi>
I have it on host-only
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ok
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<bip>
nooooooooooo
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if need to use a real machine
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use bridged
11:37
bridged is your answer Gadi
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<Gadi>
how does it know bridged = eth0 and not my wifi ?
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<bip>
well
11:38
it bridges to eth0 by default
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if u wanna bridge it to wi-fi
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<Gadi>
nah
11:38
I want eth0
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<bip>
u must tell it explicitly
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<Gadi>
where are those settings?
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<bip>
well
11:39
in the they r set by the vmnware-config.pl
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usually if i i m not happy
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i just rerun that script Gadi
11:39
<MrChicken>
Gadi .. I'm getting a pipeline error
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<Gadi>
ah
11:39
MrChicken: sorry, forgot
11:40
um, MrChicken, do you have screen_02 = shell?
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bip: brided still isnt working ... :(
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<bip>
mmm
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ok
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<Gadi>
maybe I'll check for settings somewhere
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<bip>
i have a suspect wait
11:41
sometimes dont ask me why
11:41
vmware gets confused if u just edit the card tye
11:41
u can play with vm config files and a trexty editor
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or if u feel lazy
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i do this gadi:
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i remove the non working card from the virtual box
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and create a new one
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<Gadi>
hmm
11:42
i guess its worth a try
11:42
<bip>
for some sick reason converting host only vards into bridged ones always gives troubles Gadi
11:42
instead u remove the host only one
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then build a nbew one that is bridged to start with
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i had this experience many times Gadi
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<MrChicken>
gadi I have screen_01=shell
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<bip>
i even have some idea why it happen but i have forgot it now Gadi ;-)
11:43
<MrChicken>
ok I'm in the shell now =)
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: can you set it up like this: screen_01 = startx, screen_02 = shell
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that way you can switch back and forth
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bip: still no go :(
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<bip>
mmm
11:45
what happens at the client exactly Gadi ?
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<Gadi>
the usual DHCP.......\
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<bip>
i had to sweat and swear quite a bit
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ok
11:46
does it get a ip ?
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<Gadi>
nope
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<bip>
ok
11:46
<Gadi>
keeps timing out
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<bip>
mmm
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<Gadi>
seems my bridge has fallen down
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<MrChicken>
Ok
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<bip>
can i ask u what version oif vmware r u running to do this Gadi ?
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<MrChicken>
Done
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<Gadi>
much like London Bridge
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latest vmware 1.0.2
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i believe
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(just d/l'd new one)
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MrChicken: ok on screen 2, at the shell, make sure esd is running: ps|grep esd
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<MrChicken>
esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -as 1
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<Gadi>
so far so good
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<Gadi>
log into X and open gstreamer-properties again
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and run that test again
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<MrChicken>
ok done...
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same pipeline error
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Gadi?
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: open a terminal window through X and do: echo ESPEAKER
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oops
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echo $ESPEAKER
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<MrChicken>
done, nothing returns
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<Gadi>
do: echo $DISPLAY
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<MrChicken>
ws190.ltsp:0.0
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<Gadi>
now: export ESPEAKER=ws190.ltsp:16001
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<MrChicken>
oki
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<Gadi>
and: esdplay /usr/share/sounds/login.wav
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<MrChicken>
it says nothing
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<Gadi>
do you hear a sound?
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<MrChicken>
nopw
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<Gadi>
do you have headphones or speakers?
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<MrChicken>
speaker
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<Gadi>
can you adjust the volume?
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<MrChicken>
sure
11:57
just maxed it
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<Gadi>
esdplay again
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<MrChicken>
nothing
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<envite>
easier
11:58
esddsp cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp
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<Gadi>
yuck
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<envite>
do that first in server and then in client
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<envite>
if that does not work, kill esd and restart with option -public
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<MrChicken>
weird
12:00
when running X I cant see esd
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<Gadi>
thats not weird
12:01
thats correct
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esd runs on the client
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not the server
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<MrChicken>
so I should kill esd on the client ??
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<Gadi>
do this:
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edit: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/rc.sound
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find the line that calls /bin/esd ....
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and add -public to the end (before the amphersand)
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then, reboot the terminal
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<MrChicken>
ok
12:06
the ESD test works
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but now I try to play a file with xmms and I get a hw errpr
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Ok
12:08
Works perfect
12:08
now I have one more Q
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:$
12:09
In some clients
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<Gadi>
bip: turns out I needed to plug eth0 into a switch to make it work :P
12:09
thanks to jammcq for the advice
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silly
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<bip>
well
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<MrChicken>
i get a warning that I need cmmpci lib or something like that
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<MrChicken>
to get the sound loaded
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<IRCzito>
j #async
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: a warning where? from an application?
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<MrChicken>
no, when ltsp boots
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on a client with CMI8738
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<Gadi>
sounds like you already have sound, tho
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<MrChicken>
Gadi... I'm working on another client =)
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<Gadi>
perhaps you have the wrong sound module?
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<MrChicken>
its on auto
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<Gadi>
dunno - if you have a whole lot of varied cards, at some point you may want to grab my esd-alsa pkg off the wiki, so you can use the alsa sound modules - you'll prolly be able to support more cards that way
12:16
but, you can stick with this for now, if you've got em mostly all going
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<MrChicken>
Gadi... where can I find the esd-alsa?
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#esd_ALSA_sound_on_LTSP_4_2
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<MrChicken>
thnx!
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<MrChicken>
Ok.. just installed the esd-alsa
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now what?
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should I still use esd or should I now use alsa?
13:04
<King`Nothing>
hello, i want to ask you something! :) How to make boot splash screen at ltsp 5 server to show to every PC in network? i think to use Splashy for that, but I don't know how
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: reboot the thin client
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and see if sound still works
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by using this package, you should be able to specify alsa modules ( SMODULE_01 = "snd-XXXXX" ) as needed
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it will still try to autodetect the correct one
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<MrChicken>
Gadi .. one more Q... I cant seem to record anything.... at least Krec tries to use arts
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and wont lemme change it to esd
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<Gadi>
MrChicken: esd does not support recording
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so, you can forget about that on thin clients for now
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<MrChicken>
Gadi... so that means I cant get a softphone running on ltsp?
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<Gadi>
not trivially - softphones are best run as local apps
13:17
<MrChicken>
Gadi... "not trivially" means "not unless you rewrite the whole core code of ltsp"?
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<Gadi>
well, the challenge to local apps boils down to: a. installing apps into the ltsp chroot, b. launching them from the server, and c. optionally running them on the client as the same user who is requesting it
13:19
a. is nontrivial in LTSP 4.2 - but much easier in 5.0
13:19
b. requires special setup in either case
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<MrChicken>
Gadi ... now the question is... do you have time to help me through it?
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<Gadi>
c. has NIS mechanisms in 4.2 and no mechanisms (afaik) in 5.0 (so they would need installing)
13:20
no
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it is nontrivial
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but, there are people who have done it
13:20
and you may be able to find case studies on the subject
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<MrChicken>
so I will ask in the mailing list =)
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<Gadi>
thats a better bet
13:22
<MrChicken>
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165
13:22
thats an interesting article =)
13:24
<cliebow_>
Gadi:ldap authentication in ltsp5 should be no more then chroot installing libnssldap and libpamldap tweaking common* in pam.d and nsswitch.conf?
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<Gadi>
cliebow: prolly - but dont forget mounting /home
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and then, what about security?
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do you launch via ssh and have private ssh keys for each user on NFS?
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not a great idea
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it requires a bit of thought to do it well
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<ogra>
Gadi, just mount /home via sshfs ;)
13:27
sshd is running anyway on the server
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<Gadi>
there ya go
13:28
<cliebow_>
Gadi:oh yeah!
13:28
Gadi:you use dbi module tocontact mysql at all?
13:28
<ogra>
there are as well howtos for tunneling ldap through ssh :)
13:29
<cliebow_>
Gadi:you referring to ldapsecurity itself or the network traffic involved with a mounted homedir?
13:30
<Gadi>
i was referring to keeping private ssh keys on an open NFS server
13:31
which would be one insecure way to allow users to remotely execute programs on the thin client from the server
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<cliebow_>
yes i see
13:33
used dbi for sql at all?
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<Gadi>
not recently
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<cliebow_>
guess i have it figured out far enough to screw something up anyway
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<freyley>
question: (debian etch ltsp 5): my pxe terminal gets pxelinux.0 from the tftp server, but then sends out requests for pxelinux.cfg/default to 0.0.0.0.tftp which doesn't answer. Why doesn't it send that request to the server specifically, as it did for pxelinux.cfg?
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: ping
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<sepski>
freyley, add a "next-server" directive to the dhcp config
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<nf1>
Hi, is there any difference with local printers in LTSP5. I have HP laserjet 4 and try run with but with no luck.
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<freyley>
that did it. thanks.
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<nf1>
I got it running with LTSP4.2 and CUPS
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I forgot the tell that this printer is on parallel port
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: ICMP ECHO REPLY
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<Gadi>
heh
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<mistik1>
hey guys
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<Gadi>
quickie: why does ltspfsmounter's add function require the setting of a DISPLAY variable
14:08
does ltspfs require DISPLAY to be set?
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<Gadi>
is that because it still does the X auth stuff?
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mistik1: got your IM last night - good work
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: I beleieve so.
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<mistik1>
;-)
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<Gadi>
sbalneav: thx. I am very tempted to just use ltspfs client side - it is such a nice automounter :)
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<freyley>
how do you configure the ldm screen?
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<sbalneav>
freyley: What is it you'd like to configure?
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<King`Nothing>
hello, i want to ask you something! :) How to make boot splash screen at ltsp 5 server to show to every PC in network? i think to use Splashy for that, but I don't know how
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<sbalneav>
King`Nothing: ltsp5 uses usplash, so you could design your artwork for that.
14:24
Then use the mkinitrd stuff to install it into the kernel image.
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<freyley>
sbalneav: I figured out how to change the icons and the colors, but I was hoping to add a user chooser and I haven't figured out where ltsp // in the bottom right corner is set.
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<King`Nothing>
ok, thanks ssbalneav, anything special and unusual in installing it into kernel image ?
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<sbalneav>
freyley: Well, the source package is available, and it's in python, so should be easy to code.
14:26
<freyley>
sbalneav: okay. thanks. =)
14:26
<sbalneav>
King`Nothing: Nope, just use either a standard Ubuntu or Debian kernel, and you should be fine.
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<King`Nothing>
thank you again sbalneav :) if I had any obstacle, can I ask you again?
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<sbalneav>
Sure, I'll help with what I can.
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<plamengr>
Hi, all :) We have configured a Local Printer in LTSP-4.2 (Debian sid on the server) by CUPS
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The Device - HP JetDirect with socket://hostname:9100/
15:20
and in lts.conf PRINTER_0_TYPE = P
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PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/lp0
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<plamengr>
we tried this settings on LTSP-5 but we get: The hostname "hostname" is busy, will retry in ... seconds
15:22
Have you configured already local printers in LTSP-5 ?
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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<HobNobblin>
Does anyone know how to accomplish passthrough transparent printing from either ssh or telnet in ltsp?
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<MrChicken>
is there lbe for ltsp 4.2?
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<artista_frustrad>
I last week I installed ltsp-server (etch)
16:18
and was working perfectly.. the I did a dist-upgrade
16:18
now the clientes ares trying to fetch an older version of the kernel (/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2)
16:18
I've checked dhcpd.conf and everything seems ok.. (filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";)
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does anyone have any idea of what may be wrong ?
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<plamengr>
artista_frustrad: try running: ltsp-update-kernels on the server
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<artista_frustrad>
plamengr, can you explain why the diferent paths ( /lts and /ltsp )???
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plamengr, nothing changed
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<plamengr>
the full path is: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
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<artista_frustrad>
yes
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<plamengr>
check whether the kernels in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ are updated
16:29
<artista_frustrad>
they are.. but the clientes are requesting an older version .. even though everything seems to be ok on dhcpd.conf
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<plamengr>
have you restarted dhcp-server?
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<artista_frustrad>
plamengr, about 2 dozen times
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<plamengr>
does nbi.img point to the new kernel?
16:32
maybe write directly the new kernel: nbi.img-2.6.18-4-486
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<artista_frustrad>
what I cannot understand is why my clientes are trying to fetch a 2.6.16-1 kernel when everything on my server is 2.6.18-4 ..
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<plamengr>
check your /etc/default/tftpd-hpa and /etc/inetd.conf
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there should be the relative path to the kernels
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<artista_frustrad>
and why the clientes are looking for it on /lts when they should be cheking on /ltsp
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<plamengr>
maybe it's different from /var/lib/tftpboot
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specify the same relative path, and should be ok
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<cliebow>
waIT: you are looking at /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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?
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<artista_frustrad>
/etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
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<cliebow>
Crikey!
16:36
but..hmm this is k12ltsp?
16:36
no..
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just cvheck what passes for /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server and see which file it reads for its config..
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<artista_frustrad>
but they are both pointing to the same place
16:38
so it should not matter
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<cliebow>
if that is true..then true...after install of ltsp-server-standalone in ubuntu dhcp is defined in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf..if pointing to same place..then that is not the issue
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<artista_frustrad>
well.. but why is my clientes requestiong /lts/vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 instead of /ltsp/i386/nbi.img ??
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<cliebow>
thereis not another dhcp server running?i know..gbut had to ask
16:44
maybe then post your dhcpd.conf with pastebot...i dont know
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<ltsppbot>
"artista_frustrado" pasted "dhcpd.conf and syslog msgs of tftpd" (25 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/64
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<bip>
does anybody know if a standard debian installer cd can be used to do pivot_root ?
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<cliebow>
looks just fine..and you checked the -s parameter in inetd.conf or /etc/xinetd.d/tftp to be sure it isd still /var/lib/tftpboot..and /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/nbi.img exists i know..
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<artista_frustrad>
OPTIONS="-l -v -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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<Gadi>
artista_frustrad: is there another LTSP box running on that subnet?
16:54
PXE is a broadcast request ;)
16:54
<artista_frustrad>
Gadi, nope.. that is the weard part
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<Gadi>
how about: grep -R vmlinuz-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2 /etc
16:55
<cliebow>
so you can see the requaests in /var/log/messages or syslog on THat server
16:56
Gadi:why should not /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf be the coordinating configfile?o ris it simlimnked in debia?
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<Gadi>
what do I know?
16:56
I ask grep
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<cliebow>
you are the MAN!
16:56
<Gadi>
much easier than thinking
16:57
if grep cant find it - then I suspect a forgotten LTSP server somewhere
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<cliebow>
can you not see in dhcp3-server that it is reading the correct configfile?
16:57
<Gadi>
:)
16:57
I could
16:57
or I could ask grep
16:57
grep's like a bloodhound
16:57
man's best friend
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<cliebow>
but seems the only way to know which configfile is being read
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<Gadi>
what was it good ole akum used to say? the simplest answer is usually the most correct
17:00* artista_frustrad shall kill the treinee..
17:00
<cliebow>
dwight akum? the country singer?
17:00
<artista_frustrad>
found another box
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<Gadi>
:)
17:00
QED, as they say in Latin
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<Lumiere>
hehe
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<artista_frustrad>
now dhcp is not leasing
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<Lumiere>
my professor like dun instead of QED
17:01
<cliebow>
give it a kick in the shins
17:01* Gadi took a lot of mathematical analysis
17:01
<Gadi>
;)
17:01
<cliebow>
i knew a mathematical ALice once
17:02
<Gadi>
in the limit as aggravation goes to infinity
17:02
Alice? Alice? Who the fsck is Alice?
17:02
LOL
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<Lumiere>
lol?
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<Gadi>
ah, nothing. hey, this vmware stuff can be fun: I have a PXE-booting vm booting from my feisty LTSP5 laptop, connecting to my desktop PC running edgy over NAT via my 802.11b wireless card and pushing back a desktop
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<cliebow>
my head hurts
17:05
<Gadi>
heh, me too
17:05
<cliebow>
life just doesnt get any better than this 8~)
17:05
<Gadi>
well, there's always mathematical alice ;)
17:05
grrr....
17:05
<cliebow>
Heh
17:07
i think they have Alice under heavy sedatiion now...shcok treatments..that sort of thing
17:09* artista_frustrad thinks: must kill myself . reason: over stupidity ..
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<cliebow>
we have all been there..some more than once
17:10
i spent two days tweaking inittab.omly to find i was using upstart
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<Gadi>
blame the damn developers - they keep changing things !!!
17:11
why cant they stop progressing!
17:11* Gadi returns to paving paradise....
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<cliebow>
8~)
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<artista_frustrad>
well.. since I'm on my stupid day.. where do I put my lts.conf on ltsp 5 ??
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<Gadi>
same place as ltsp 4.2, stupid
17:14
;)
17:14
sorry - couldnt resist
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<cliebow>
Gadi:speaking of stupid..i cant quite figger out hot to pull the source code for thin-client-manager from launchpad?can you give me syntax..i have bzr co http://launchpad.net/ durnedifinknow
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im having a python-gtk moment
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<Gadi>
heh
17:18
i think its bzr pull
17:18
or bzr get
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maybe bzr get
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do you have the url for it?
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<cliebow>
not really..https://launchpad.net/tcm
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i tyhink co is cjheckout
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<Gadi>
try: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~petesavage/tcm/trunk
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<cliebow>
Balls: havnt got bzr on This mnachine..ill write it down and give ot a whirl
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<Gadi>
brb
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<cliebow>
cool
17:21
t33gan03
17:22
y
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tcm target already exists
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sudo bzr checkout http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~petesavage/tcm/trunk ~/tcm
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<PY1NB>
many changes from 4.2 to 5?
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<cliebow>
yup
17:45
different idea altogether..ltsp5 still adding features
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<PY1NB>
should the fedora4 rpm work under centos 4.4?
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<cliebow>
not sure...
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<dan__t>
Howdy.
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<PY1NB>
howdy
18:28
<dan__t>
How goes it
18:29
<PY1NB>
fine, tnx
18:29
<dan__t>
rad
18:29
<PY1NB>
trying to install this ltsp on centos
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<dan__t>
ahh
18:30
any luck?
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<PY1NB>
still on the process
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<dan__t>
ah.
18:41
<artista_frustrad>
does anyone know how to configure the clients to use us_intl so they will make c+' = ? ??
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<PY1NB>
artista_frustrad: procura no brlinux
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<Mawkee>
Hello. As I've seen, LTSP 5 on Debian Etch works way too different than what I used to. I need some help, mainly on 3 things: 1. How can I use gdm instead of ldm, 2. How can I change /etc/X11/xorg.conf in a per-station fashion, 3. Do I still configure printers on /etc/lts.conf (sorry, my kb is not configured and I don't have the question marker)
19:37
s/I used to/I'm used to/g
19:38
s/question marker/question mark/g
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<Mawkee>
Simpler question: can I still use /etc/lts.conf
19:47
Yup, switching back to 4.1
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<davidj>
jammcq: ping?
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<jammcq>
davidj: pong
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<davidj>
jammcq: ping
20:10
<jammcq>
what's up?
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<PY1NB>
how can I test if nfs is ok?
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<davidj>
PY1NB: "mount -t nfs server:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt/"
20:40
where "server" is the DNS name or the IP address of your server.
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<PY1NB>
tnx, davidj
20:43
booting my ltsp server to see if things will work, seems like I have a problem on nfs
20:46
mount request from unknown host, how do I set it?
20:46
I have /etc/exports as:
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/opt/ltsp-4.2 192.168.254.0/255.255.255.0(ro,no_root_squash,sync)
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/var/opt/ltsp/swapfiles 192.168.254.0/255.255.255.0(rw,no_root_squash,async)
20:48
brb
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<PY1NB>
client says: server not respondig, still trying
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<davidj>
PY1NB: Is your terminal on 192.168.254?
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<MetztliXictli>
hi
21:22
!hda
21:22
<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "hda" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!syslinux
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "syslinux" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!ima
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "ima" is not a valid command.
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
21:26
!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 7 hours, 58 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <ogra> there are as well howtos for tunneling ldap through ssh :)
21:26
<mistik1>
evening sbalneav
21:27
<sbalneav>
Hey mistik1!
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<jammcq>
hey kids
21:42
<MetztliXictli>
hi
21:42
speak spanish
21:42
<dtrask>
hey Dad! :-)
21:42
<jammcq>
no habla espaniol
21:42
<MetztliXictli>
i need de imagen universal fr etherboot
21:42
<jammcq>
dtrask: HEY
21:42
<MetztliXictli>
i need img universal to etherboot
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!syslinux
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "syslinux" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!iman on
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "iman" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!ima hda on
21:44
<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "ima" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!sound
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<MetztliXictli>
acces violation in the client
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<MetztliXictli>
se vagrantc
23:13
oyes cual es el link donde esta el etherboot de syslinux
23:13
la imagen?
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<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: yo uso http://etherboot.anadex.de
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<mistik1>
once again I proclaim that "Linux ROCKS!!!!" ;-)
23:19* vagrantc shares in the occasional amazement
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<mistik1>
hehe
23:19
<liljohnpenguin>
you guys are tards
23:20
haha
23:21
<mistik1>
There is nothing like looking at a problem for hours trying to figure out how to solve it then you go diving into /usr/src/linux/Documentation and *bang* there is a facility for doing just what you want
23:22
This is a regular occurance in linux, Other OSes, not so sure
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<MetztliXictli>
ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
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<MetztliXictli>
vagrantc, tengo un amigo que puso server de 32 bits y un cliente de 64 bits
23:37
y no le funciona ltsp
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: hmmm... no say. creo que cliente de 64 bits funciona de 32 bits ...
23:42
pero, no se.
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<MetztliXictli>
si ya funciono
23:44
!sound
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: "sound" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
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<MetztliXictli>
!lda
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "lda" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!LDA
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
Local device acces
23:45
!Local device acces
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "Local" is not a valid command.
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<MetztliXictli>
!LDA
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<ltspbot>
MetztliXictli: Error: "LDA" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
!localdev
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "localdev" is Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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<vagrantc>
MetztliXictli: por que olvida "localdev" ? :P