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Channel log from 28 October 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:01
<johnny22>
my users never see the desktop anyways
00:01
they just click firefox
00:01
and use the menu for openoffice
00:01
so.. no big deal
00:02
ok.. i'm heading home hopefully
00:02
bbiab
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01:39
<nicku>
how can use etherboot with ltsp-5
01:39
I have ubuntu 9.10 with ltsp5 and efw etherboot clients.
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01:51
<alkisg>
nicku: what do you mean? you just make a disk with it...
01:51
!rom-o-matic
01:51
<ltspbot>
alkisg: Error: "rom-o-matic" is not a valid command.
01:51
<johnny>
gentlemn
01:51
<alkisg>
To create a gpxe image, you just visit http://rom-o-matic.net/
01:52
Hello johnny
01:53
<johnny>
i spent the evening updating to jaunty.. so i can be ready to upgrade to karmic
01:53
lol
01:53
<alkisg>
Hehe!!!
01:53
<johnny>
and ran into the input/output error right away
01:53
in ltsp
01:53
err on nbd
01:53
<alkisg>
That shouldn't cause you any problems, though, did it?
01:53
<johnny>
so i had to upgrade to stgraber ppa.. and then had to build it twice
01:53
yes.. no dns resolution
01:54
cuz of a typo
01:54
<alkisg>
Really?!!! I thought that was solved before Jaunty was out...
01:54
<johnny>
uhmm..
01:54
not for me..
01:54
so i ended up building the chroot 4 times
01:54
it took awhile
01:54
<alkisg>
Why didn't you just update the chroot?
01:55
(I mean, for the dns thing...)
01:56
<johnny>
update it how?
01:57
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
01:57
<alkisg>
? sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get dist-upgrade ?
01:57
<johnny>
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
01:57
did i have to do dist-upgrade
01:57
anyways.. ppa gave me also xlib fix anyways
01:57
so it was useful
01:57
<alkisg>
I mean, after you put stgraber's ppa there, and instead of re-building it
01:57
<johnny>
also i found a bug for stgraber :)
01:57
which i just committed
01:57
i guess i could have
01:58
that would have saved me one rebuild..
01:58
<alkisg>
What bug?
01:58
<johnny>
he had a typo
01:58
ldm-ubuntu-theme.. when the package is ldm-ubuntu-themes
01:58
<alkisg>
Ahhh that's why I was seeing a lot of theme-related warnings... :)
01:59
<johnny>
i just committed it, i hope he isn't upset
02:00
<alkisg>
ii ldm-ubuntu-theme 2:2.0.41~ppa1~jaunty1 Ubuntu theme for the LTSP Display Manager
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ii ldm-ubuntu-themes 2:2.0.41~ppa1~jaunty1 Themes for the LTSP Display Manager (transit
02:00
<johnny>
hmm..
02:00
<alkisg>
johnny: so I guess he'll be upset :P :D
02:00
<johnny>
it wasn't working
02:00
it wouldn't even build until i did that
02:01
<alkisg>
Is that on a "depends" line?
02:01
<johnny>
it's on 030-artwork
02:01
in the ubuntu ltsp-build-client plugin set for ubuntu
02:02
it's possible that ldm-ubuntu-themes pulls in ldm-ubuntu-theme
02:02
i don't know
02:02
either way.. it's not available at that time
02:03
<alkisg>
Hmmm what does that tell you now? apt-cache policy ldm-ubuntu-theme
02:03
Oh, I get it. In the chroot, you didn't have stgraber's sources
02:03
*ppa in your sources
02:04
So the code in launchpad works fine for Karmic, but not in a mixed "stgraber ppa/no stgraber ppa" environment
02:05
..which would only happen in jaunty and only if you put stgraber's ppa in your sources before calling ltsp-build-client..
02:05
...without specifying --copy-sources-list
02:06
<johnny>
oh.. lemme revert that now..
02:08
<alkisg>
johnny: better make it a conditional
02:09
Because there *are* people that put stgraber's ppa (or some other updated ltsp version) in their sources, and then call ltsp-build-client...
02:11
(potentially, all people that put stgraber's ppa in their sources, if they have big problems with the chroot and need to rebuild it, they'll hit this "bug"...)
02:14
<johnny>
yes..
02:15
hmm.. how to make it conditional..
02:15
but i don't think stgraber wants it to have something specific to his ppa in here
02:15
in trunk i mean
02:16
hmm.. what's the best way to revert this commit for now
02:16* alkisg looks at which packages are available for jaunty, and which ones in karmic... ldm-edubuntu-theme ldm-kubuntu-theme ldm-ubuntu-theme ldm-ubuntu-themes ldm-xubuntu-theme..
02:16
<johnny>
stgraber, lemme know when you're about
02:18
<alkisg>
The last diff (after jaunty): http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/1275#server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-artwork
02:22
Ah so that file, at jaunty release, didn't even mention ldm-ubuntu-themes at all
02:22
<nicku>
alkisg: I made a gpxe image and tried to boot the nbi.img. It loads it fine but and says done and then nothing
02:22
it halts there
02:22
<alkisg>
nicku: if you made a gpxe image, you don't need to load nbd.img, but pxelinux.0 instead of it.
02:23
<nicku>
alkisg: ah. ok
02:23
<alkisg>
*nbi.img
02:47
<nicku>
alkisg: thanks, it works
02:48
<alkisg>
You're welcome. With pxelinux.0 it's also easier to pass kernel parameters to the clients, if you ever need them (from pxelinux.cfg/default)...
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06:04
<nicku>
alkisg: i have also a problem with firefox + flash and active directory users
06:04
<alkisg>
nicku: well, ask it here in the channel, and see if someone (including me) can help you...
06:04
<nicku>
for some reason when i use local user flash videos run fine but with ad user they stutter like mad
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<nicku>
i see that npviewer is running on ltsp server when using ad user and with local user it runs on the client. why is that
06:06
<alkisg>
How are the ad users authenticated?
06:07
<nicku>
through winbind+samba
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<alkisg>
Is that with ldm, or do you using some other screen script?
06:08
<nicku>
ldm
06:08
<alkisg>
(e.g. xdmcp or something)
06:10
I can't help with that. I don't even know when npviewer is needed - I've never seen it in my i386 installations...
06:11
<nicku>
it is some plugin used with flash+firefox
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06:11
<alkisg>
I do have firefox+flash, but I don't see npviewer anywhere...
06:11
<nicku>
i don't see it either with local user but with ad user i do
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06:12
<alkisg>
I mean, I don't even see it in my standalone ubuntu installation (no LTSP involved)
06:12
<nicku>
alkisg: have u used ltsp cluster
06:12
<alkisg>
Nope
06:13
<nicku>
alkisg: do you know is there any reboot problems with ltsp5 on normal installations
06:13
i cant reboot my clients in ltsp cluster installation
06:13
<alkisg>
Ah, I've heard of some recent complains about that...
06:13
<nicku>
gives a lot of squashfs errors
06:13
<alkisg>
...I think there was even a patch about it
06:14
But I can't say for sure, I haven't even seen ltsp-cluster...
06:14
<nicku>
i have had one for about two weeks. Everything else works great except the reboot
06:15
would love to know if there is any solution to that
06:15
<alkisg>
See the recent bugs or commits in launchpad, maybe there's a solution there.
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<nicku>
should the localapps work with active directory users. Or is it bound to some user group or something
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07:26
<cliebow>
ogra:do you remember the steps to get wireless running in mac,,i have installed b43-fwcutter
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07:27
<guaka>
hi, how can I set up different ltsp images for different machines/users? I want to upgrade to ubuntu 9.10, but the last upgrade that happened without testing and lots of stuff broke down, so now I want to start using it myself first
07:29
<cliebow>
rebooting...
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<squarepeg>
ogra:do yoy remember how to get bcm4300 in apple wireless running..i installed b43-fwcutter and see a wlan interface..
07:43
<ogra>
then network manager should just care for it
07:44
<nicku>
should the localapps work with active directory users. Or is it bound to some user group or something
07:44
<squarepeg>
hmmm.. dont see wlan0 in wireless connections..id id add a lint in interfaces for wlan0 auto
07:44
<ogra>
eek
07:45
dont touch any config files :)
07:45
<squarepeg>
k
07:45
<ogra>
if NM sees an entry for wlan0 in interfaces it wont manage it
07:46
technically you should just be able to click through the HW manager that does everything for you, reboot and see the interface in NM
07:46
<squarepeg>
ok.. doesnt see it either way..
07:46
<ogra>
what does HW manager say ?
07:47
<squarepeg>
i simply did an install of b43-fwcutterany cli command beyond that
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<ogra>
System->Adminbistration->Hardware Drivers i think
07:48
<squarepeg>
trying that..of course with one interface eth0 gets a dhcp address so dhcp right now
07:48
<ogra>
i havent used b43-fwcutter since a long time (since we have the gui tool its only one click vs fumbling on the cmdline)
07:49
<squarepeg>
it does see broadcom driver available and ifconfig shows wlan0
07:49
rebooting..
07:49
<ogra>
whats the driver status ?
07:49
(should show a green chackmark or so)
07:49
<squarepeg>
yes it does..reboot underway
07:50
<ogra>
or a green dot
07:50
<squarepeg>
coming up..
07:51
<IHS_Volunteer>
with 4GB of RAM, a core 2 duo @ 1.8ghz, and 32bit clients... (up to 23-24 of them) should I go 64bit for the server?
07:53* alkisg didn't, with similar servers...
07:53
<IHS_Volunteer>
32bit simplifies my life a little, so 32bit it is then.
07:54
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: if you need to see that extra GB, install the linux-server kernel
07:54
<squarepeg>
so yes fir sure a green dot..network manager does not see it.. for the hell of it i added a wireless connection but so far no ip
07:54
<alkisg>
IHS_Volunteer: It's still 32 bit, but it uses PAE to see all the RAM
07:57
<squarepeg>
with a manual address i get a ping so i guess i am close
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08:11
<jammcq>
bom dia meu amigos
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08:29
<squarepeg>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!
08:31
<jammcq>
squarepeg: hey chuck
08:33
<squarepeg>
Hiya..i got karmic running on a mac to build an img for scott maccallum (sp?)
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08:41
<squarepeg>
ooooh...rockin!
08:41
scottmaccal, rockin!
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09:01
<nicku>
why does localapps on work with local user
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<nicku>
why does localapps only work with local user
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09:18
<Gadi>
vmlintu: ping
09:18
<vmlintu>
Gadi: yep
09:18
<Gadi>
saw your post about shutdown/reboot
09:18
it seems we still call "poweroff -p"
09:19
it should probably be "poweroff -fp"
09:19
in gtkgreet/greeter.c
09:19
same with "reboot -p"
09:19
<adrien>
Hello! Again I come to beg for some help. I'm trying to set up a USB printer connected to a thin client but I had no luck with all the doc I could find on the net. I cannot see the printer from the server. Also if I log into a thin client as an admin user I can see the printer in browser (localhost:631) but not in the administration GUI, but if I log with the server login and password it doesn't show at all. What can I be doing wrong? (I'm on
09:19
Ubuntu 9.04)
09:19
<Gadi>
should be "reboot -fp"
09:20
<ogra>
when was that changed ?
09:20
<Gadi>
dunno - we talked about his bug many times
09:20
but, I dont think anyone fixed it
09:20
<ogra>
ldm did call -f from day one, someone has changed that
09:20
<Gadi>
you say that everytime we talk about it
09:20
:)
09:20
<ogra>
yeah
09:20
i want $someone to change it back :P
09:21
<Gadi>
I am happy to change it back right now, as long as I know the "f" wasnt dropped for some other reason
09:21* Gadi would be happier if it called an external shell script, personally
09:22
<Gadi>
like: /usr/share/ldm/poweroff
09:22
<ogra>
why spawn an extra shell ?
09:22
<Gadi>
so, if there is a reason for someone to call a different command, they can just change the shell script
09:22* ogra would be happy if we could just use shutdown
09:22
<vmlintu>
Gadi: let me check that
09:22
<ogra>
but that needs some massive changes in nbd i think
09:22
<Gadi>
instead of recompiling
09:23
my guess is that some other distro may have had issues with the "-f"
09:23
<ogra>
as a quick fix adding -f would really be helpful
09:23
<Gadi>
and removed it
09:23
so, I want to be sure we don't trip over each other
09:24
<ogra>
check the bzr changes
09:24
<vmlintu>
I've been thinking of just using:
09:24
<ogra>
i cant imagine it was dropped without comment
09:24
<vmlintu>
echo -n "b" > /proc/sysrq-trigger
09:24
or
09:24
echo -n "o" > /proc/sysrq-trigger
09:24
<ogra>
reboot -fp or poweroff -fp do pretty much the same
09:24
<Gadi>
lookf like rev 942
09:25
<ogra>
but you dont need to echo stuff into /proc
09:25
<Gadi>
ldm: Don't force reboot and poweroff (in case we have some init scripts that n
09:25
eed to be run)
09:25
that was made by stgraber
09:25
<ogra>
let me guess ... warren ?
09:25
ah
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09:26
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:26
<Gadi>
so, I guess we need to beat up ubuntu!
09:26
:P
09:26
!s
09:26
<squarepeg>
Gadi ltspfs 5.13.1 is latest no?
09:26
<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:26
<Gadi>
squarepeg: I believe so
09:26
<squarepeg>
and 5.1.90 for tsp-server-standalone..
09:27
<nicku>
Gadi: where should i put that -f to make the reboot work
09:27
<Gadi>
nicku: you would need to grab the ldm source package
09:27
<squarepeg>
Scottie!!! (sp?)
09:27
<Gadi>
then add it to gtkgreet/greeter.c
09:27
<nicku>
not good
09:27
<Gadi>
and rebuild the package
09:28
first see if it works for vmlintu
09:28
<ogra>
Gadi, go with the script ... that way stephane could still call single initscripts
09:28
<Gadi>
yeah
09:28
<ogra>
(though that shouldnt be needed at all anymore in upstart times)
09:28
<Gadi>
scripts are nice
09:29
<ogra>
actually ltsp-client should properly be switched to an upstart script too
09:29
<Gadi>
how will it work then?
09:29
<ogra>
event driven
09:29
<Gadi>
I know how upstart works
09:29
I mean how would you poweroff?
09:29
<ogra>
you just call halt
09:29
upstrat will care for the rest
09:30
*upstart
09:30
<Gadi>
ah - and the upstart will react to the halt event
09:30
<ogra>
upstart = init
09:30
<Gadi>
right
09:30
<ogra>
it will just try to reach the halt state
09:30
<Gadi>
if the upstart files are properly coded
09:30
<ogra>
(or reboot)
09:31
the upstart files are conditionally depending on events ... so for example a mounted squashfs can never lose the underlying device
09:31
<Gadi>
well, I wont touch the code at all, until someone tells me that it fixes things
09:31
<squarepeg>
sudo ltsp-build-client....couldnt find dists/karmic/main/binary-powerpc/Packages
09:31
<ogra>
it has to be unmounted first
09:31
<nicku>
Gadi: do you know it there is some "real" fix coming to the reboot issue
09:31
<Gadi>
nicku: it wont come unless somebody tests
09:31
:)
09:32
<ogra>
squarepeg, i belibe powerpc moved to ports.ubuntu.com at some point, you need to use that as mirror
09:32
<nicku>
i am more than happi to test that but i don't have time to rebuild packages.
09:32
happy
09:32
<ogra>
nicku, it was working fine until stephane dropped the -f option from the commands
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09:33
<ogra>
it will work like before if someone re-adds it
09:33
<Gadi>
takes less time to rebuild the package than to test
09:33
<vmlintu>
reboot -fp fixes the problem when I call it through ssh
09:33
<Gadi>
:)
09:33
<nicku>
gadi, ogra are you familiar with active directory users and localapps
09:33
<vmlintu>
I'll compile ldm next
09:33
<Gadi>
nicku: yes
09:33
<nicku>
i can't use localapps on ad users
09:33
<Gadi>
should work
09:33* ogra hasnt touched any MS products in 6-8 years
09:33
<Gadi>
what version are you on?
09:33
<nicku>
9.10 ubuntu ltsp5
09:34
it is a ltsp-cluster
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<Gadi>
should work
09:34
can you get a shell on screen_02?
09:34
and switch over
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<nicku>
??
09:35
<Gadi>
then, you can see if after you log into ldm on the first screen, if /home/$USER is mounted on the client
09:35
that should be one indicator
09:36
the only issue that could possibly make AD users not work is the code that generates the local /etc/group
09:36
because of the spaces in the AD group names
09:36
but, we resolved that a while ago
09:36
unless recent changes reverted things
09:37
<nicku>
should ad users be in spesific group to be able to use localapps
09:37
<Gadi>
nope
09:37
it should just work
09:38
<nicku>
unfortunately i'n not at work and can't do any testing.
09:38
<Gadi>
we specifically tried to make sure of it
09:38
ok
09:38
when you can test, pop back in
09:38
<squarepeg>
ogra:thank you
09:38
<nicku>
I just discovered today that i can't run firefox as a localapp with ad user
09:38
Gadi: yes, I can check that tomorrow.
09:39
<adrien>
Hello! Again I come to beg for some help. I'm trying to set up a USB printer connected to a thin client but I had no luck with all the doc I could find on the net. I cannot see the printer from the server. Also if I log into a thin client as an admin user I can see the printer in browser (localhost:631) but not in the administration GUI, but if I log with the server login and password it doesn't show at all. What can I be doing wrong? (I'm on
09:39
Ubuntu 9.04) (sorry to bother)
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<vmlintu>
Gadi: changing to reboot -fp in ldm sources fixed the problem
09:41
<Gadi>
cool
09:41
when stgraber gets here, let's just talk to him about it
09:41
<nicku>
please fix that soon.
09:41
<Gadi>
since he was the last to touch it
09:41
<vmlintu>
gtkgreet/greeter.c was the place
09:41
<Gadi>
vmlintu: are you on karmic?
09:42
<vmlintu>
yes, my test systems are on karmic now
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09:42
<vmlintu>
production still in hardy
09:42
<Gadi>
feel free to share your new ldm package with nicku
09:42
:)
09:42
while we sort things out
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09:43
<vmlintu>
sure, I'll recompile it with different version and put it out
09:43
<nicku>
64bit thx :)
09:43
<Gadi>
ldm is in the chroot
09:43
<vmlintu>
nicku: are your clients running amd64?
09:43
<Gadi>
do you have a 64-bit chroot?
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<Gadi>
adrien: printers attached to thin clients are presented to the network as JetDirect printers
09:44
<nicku>
vmlintu: No i have a 32bit chroot. 32bit is just fine :)
09:44
<Gadi>
adrien: you need to reserve an IP address for that thin client in dhcpd.conf so it does not change
09:45
<ogra>
or just pick one not in the range
09:45
<Gadi>
adrien: and then set up a new printer on the server as a JetDirect printer with the thin client IP
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<nosedrum>
hi
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<cliebow>
deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ karmic multiverse
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deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic multiverse
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<squarepeg>
ogra:that seem right?
09:46
<adrien>
thank you Gadi for helping. I've done that already, but when I set up the printer on the server and try to print a test page it says something like "Printer busy, will try again in XX seconds"
09:46
<squarepeg>
or need i add univers
09:46
<ogra>
cliebow, deb-src only if you want to build packages from source
09:46
<Gadi>
adrien: some printermodels cannot be redirected
09:46
what model is it?
09:47
<ogra>
cliebow, and i suspect you want more than multiverse :)
09:47
<adrien>
Gadi : HP laserjet 1320
09:47
<squarepeg>
ogra:both were enabled..
09:47
<adrien>
Gadi : is there a list somewhere I can check?
09:47
<nosedrum>
Hello all, i am a system manager who deploy about 80 LTSP servers in production
09:47
it's working well but a problem subsist and make me crazy
09:48
<cliebow>
deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ karmic universe
09:48
also there
09:48
<ogra>
you should have main and restricted as well
09:48
<cliebow>
okeydokey
09:49
<nosedrum>
some clients (around 10 by days) "freeze" the gnome environement (no mouse, no keyboard) after few minutes of inactivity
09:49
<Gadi>
adrien: HP had a list on their website - I need to find it
09:49
adrien: they are the "host-based" printers
09:49
usually cheap printers where the drivers must be on a direct-connected host
09:50
<nosedrum>
i have desactived "gnome-screensaver" "gnome-power-manager" and i have put some attributes in my kernel load in pxelinux.0/defult
09:50
nothing fix the problem
09:50
<adrien>
Gadi : so if it's a host-based printer it will not work, right?
09:50
<Gadi>
right
09:50
there arent many
09:50
but they are certain series
09:51
<cliebow>
ROCKIN!
09:51
<nosedrum>
Anybody have experience why this issue ???
09:51
<cliebow>
crappola
09:51
<adrien>
Gadi : ok I'll have a look at this.
09:51
<nicku>
vmlintu: can you give me a link or something in priv when you get the package
09:51
<ogra>
look at openprinting.org
09:52
they should have info if the printer is supported by cups
09:52
<cliebow>
must be another repository i am issing
09:52
/issing/missing
09:52
<ogra>
cliebow, pastebin the complete log
09:52
<cliebow>
k
09:52
<vmlintu>
nicku: I'm trying to figure out where to put it..
09:52
<Gadi>
adrien: http://www.laserquipt.com/support/idx/26/083/article/Host-Based-Drivers.html
09:53
found that real quick
09:53
its not a question of CUPS support
09:53
as jetpipe does not use CUPS
09:53
it is a question of not being able to be "JetDirected"
09:53
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: what distro are your systems running?
09:53
<ogra>
Gadi, ??
09:54
Gadi, with jetpipe the printer only needs to create a printer device
09:54
<cliebow>
ogra /var/log/apt?
09:54
<Gadi>
right, and I am telling you that the drivers for "host-based" printers do not work if the printer is not physically connected to the host
09:54
<ogra>
cliebow, no, from your terminal
09:55
Gadi, yes, but hp has drivers and apps you can install locally
09:55
<adrien>
Gadi : ok, so my printer is not in the list so it should work. Is the printer supposed to show up in the list of printer that are recognized automatically or you have to set up a JetDirect printer manually?
09:55
<Gadi>
usually manually
09:56
<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:56
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
09:56
<Gadi>
ogra: sure, if he wants to install printer drivers in the chroot - but that is out of the scope of LTSP's normal printing system
09:56
<adrien>
so that is what I did and it says socket://192.168.1.11:9100 as a URI
09:56
<ogra>
adrien, assumed your jetpipe setup in lts.conf is correct you should be able to manually set up a jetdirect printer
09:57
<Gadi>
adrien: that looks good
09:57
adrien: and what do youhave in lts.conf?
09:57
<ltsppbot>
"squarepeg" pasted "cliebow@ubuntu:/opt/ltsp$ sudo" (7 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/598
09:57
<nosedrum>
vmlintu: Ubuntu 9.04
09:57
<ogra>
cliebow, you need to use --mirror
09:58
<adrien>
ogra : that was the question I was asking myself. How to be sure I have the correct address in lts.conf (ie /dev/usblp0)
09:58
<cliebow>
k
09:58
<Gadi>
adrien: you can always run; ltsp-localapps xterm
09:58
and in the xterm, do: ls /dev/usblp0
09:58
just to make sure it is there
09:58
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: do all the clients freeze or just some?
09:58
<ogra>
and in there run dmesg to see with which device the printer registered
09:59
or do what gadi said
09:59
:)
09:59
<adrien>
Gadi : PRINTER_0_DEVICE = /dev/usblp0 under a section with the thin client MAC address
09:59
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: in my experience bad nic drivers can cause that
09:59
<Gadi>
yup
09:59
<ogra>
that should suffice
09:59
<adrien>
Gadi : command to run from the thin client?
09:59
<Appiah>
Tried the sabayon PPA
09:59
still crashes X_x
09:59
<Gadi>
ltsp-localapps xterm
09:59
brings up an xterm on the thin client itself
10:00
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: r8169 being one of the bad ones
10:00
<Gadi>
in which you can poke around the thin client environment
10:00
<nosedrum>
vmlintu: I have around 250 clients with 2 model of pxe pc (hp / nec )
10:00
vmlintu: freeze appear on each
10:00
<cliebow>
ROCKIN! so far
10:01
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: which network driver module are they using?
10:01
<nosedrum>
vmlintu: The issue is stricly the same
10:01
vmlintu: when a client freeze is because the / is 100% full
10:01
vmlintu: because of /var/log/kern.log spammed by the same log
10:01
<adrien>
ok, I'm trying that. Can the printer be listed as something completely different than /dev/usblX ?
10:02
<nosedrum>
vmlintu: wanna see that log ?
10:02
vmlintu: about 3 lines spammed
10:02
<vmlintu>
nosedrum: server or client /
10:02
?
10:02
<nosedrum>
client
10:02
<vmlintu>
what's in there?
10:03
<nosedrum>
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264797] [drm:r128_cce_reset] *ERROR* r128_cce_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264818] [drm:r128_cce_start] *ERROR* r128_cce_start called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264839] [drm:r128_cce_idle] *ERROR* r128_cce_idle called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264871] [drm:r128_cce_stop] *ERROR* r128_cce_stop called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264898] [drm:r128_cce_reset] *ERROR* r128_cce_reset called without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
Oct 5 18:02:51 p2_a03 kernel: [ 7801.264920] [drm:r128_cce_start] *ERROR* r128_cce_start called without lock held, held 0 owner ded2 without lock held, held 0 owner ded23900 ded23900
10:03
<Appiah>
pastebin
10:03
<nosedrum>
Theses lines are spammed
10:03
sorry
10:03
<Appiah>
:)
10:04
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: That looks like a video driver issue.
10:04
<nosedrum>
yeah i have search about
10:04
<ogra>
definately video driver
10:04
<nosedrum>
the NEC client model is equiped with a ATI AGP video card
10:04
<Gadi>
adrien: try: /dev/usb/lp0
10:05
does that exist?
10:05
<ogra>
shouldnt
10:05
<adrien>
Gadi : yes I tried this to
10:05
<ogra>
not on ubuntu at least
10:05
<adrien>
Gadi : I meant I tried this in lts.conf. I'm waiting for the thin client to reboot to give a tri to a ls
10:06
<vmlintu>
I don't have much experience about ati cards
10:07
<nosedrum>
what video driver can i try ???
10:07
<nicku>
where does ltsp-cluster save the lts.conf
10:07
<Appiah>
when a user has problem logging into their profile and it's ldap , would the error be logged on the thin clients /var/log/auth or the ldap server or the ltsp server?
10:08
<vmlintu>
nicku: I have to go now for today. I'll put the patched ldm available tomorrow and send a link to ltsp-discuss
10:08
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: Well, only other one will be the vesa driver, but that will kill your performace. This isn't an LTSP bug, it's a r128 ATI driver bug. I'd post your logs against a bug for the video driver.
10:09
<Gadi>
Appiah: look in the user's ~/.xsession-errors or in the application server's logs
10:11
<adrien>
Gadi : ls /dev/us* returns only results like /dev/usbdev1.1_ep00 but I'm not sure I'm doing this right. I did the command from the thin client station in a terminal. I don't really understantd how ltsp-localapps xterm works
10:11
<Appiah>
Gadi: ah thx
10:12
<Gadi>
when you run ltsp-localapps xterm, it should open another terminal window
10:12
that terminal window that it opens, is actually running on the client
10:12
<ogra>
adrien, you log in normally at your client ... open a gnome-terminal and issue the command gadi gave
10:12
<Gadi>
so everything in that terminal is your client environment
10:12
<adrien>
ok
10:13
<ogra>
can you run lsusb in that terminal ?
10:13
it should show your printer if the usb port knows about it
10:14
<nosedrum>
You told me about r128 ATI drivers but I have the same issue with this type of graphic card:
10:14
[ 12.622938] Linux agpgart interface v0.103
10:14
[ 12.635025] shpchp: Standard Hot Plug PCI Controller Driver version: 0.4
10:14
[ 12.654484] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: Intel 845G Chipset
10:14
[ 12.658966] agpgart-intel 0000:00:00.0: AGP aperture is 64M @ 0xe0000000
10:14
[ 12.672860] Intel 82802 RNG detected
10:14
<Appiah>
:D
10:14
<nosedrum>
...
10:14
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: Don't paste in the channel please
10:14
<nosedrum>
so sorry
10:14
<sbalneav>
Use the pastebot
10:14
!pastebot
10:14
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:15
<nosedrum>
pastebot => put it in my mind (not a irc's addict sorry)
10:15
<ltsppbot>
"nosedrum" pasted "HP client graphic card" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/599
10:15
<adrien>
ok, so /dev/usblp0 is listed and lsusb shows that the printer is connected to bus 002 as device 002
10:16
<ogra>
ps ax
10:16
ps ax|grep jetpipe
10:16
try that command (the second one)
10:16
<scottmaccal>
!pastebot
10:16
<ltspbot>
scottmaccal: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:16
<adrien>
ogra : ok
10:16
<scottmaccal>
cool
10:16
<nosedrum>
!pastebot
10:16
<ltspbot>
nosedrum: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
10:16
<squarepeg>
crap
10:17
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: ok, so probably a bug with that driver as well
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<sbalneav>
nosedrum: We just use X, so if X hangs, it's usually an issue with X or a driver.
10:18
<nosedrum>
So I have to change the driver on server or in img a update it with ltsp-update-image ?
10:18
<adrien>
ogra : the command returns "5483 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep jetpipe"
10:18
<ltsppbot>
"squarepeg" pasted "I: Base system installed succe" (83 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/600
10:18
<ogra>
adrien, then jetpipe doesnt run
10:18
<sbalneav>
You'd update the chroot, and use ltsp-update-image to ipdate it yes.
10:18
<nosedrum>
ok
10:19
<ogra>
adrien, only that line ?
10:19
<adrien>
ogra: well that's good news somehow. Yes, only this line
10:19
<Gadi>
adrien: try: getltscfg -a|grep PRINTER
10:19
<nosedrum>
but i don"t understand why I don"t have a xorg.conf file
10:19
<squarepeg>
scottmaccal, how are you makinf out?
10:20
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: because X doesn't need one anymore.
10:20* scottmaccal 'wishes he could get a break from his real life so he could contribute more to FOSS projects'
10:20
<nosedrum>
So how can i change the video driver to use ??
10:20
<squarepeg>
ogra:still there is a repo issue....
10:21
<ogra>
nosedrum, lts.conf
10:21
!docs
10:21
<ltspbot>
ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
10:21
<nosedrum>
I'll gonna test
10:21
<ogra>
squarepeg, whats the command you run now ?
10:21
<nosedrum>
I feedback the result here
10:22
<adrien>
Gadi : result is PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 PRINTER_0_TYPE=U and two lines "export" followed by the same option names
10:23* scottmaccal 'successfully saw to the elimination of 4 windows boxes at work. now happily running Ubuntu'
10:23
<cliebow>
sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com
10:24* squarepeg cliebow high fives scottmaccal
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<scottmaccal>
That is the best I can contribute at the moment, but it is progress. :-)
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<scottmaccal>
cliebow: how have you made out with the Mac LTSP?
10:26
<nosedrum>
ok so if I put in my lts.conf => CONFIGURE_X = True and X_CONF /etc/X11/toto.conf => my clients read my toto.conf to configure X ? right ?
10:27
<cliebow>
ogra is helping me with a repo issue..but the machine rocks
10:27
<ogra>
sorry, very busy testing arm images ...
10:27
<scottmaccal>
cliebow: so you got one to boot?
10:27
<ogra>
sudo ltsp-build-client --mirror http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports
10:27
try that one
10:27
<sbalneav>
nosedrum: Yes, and the tot.conf file will need to be in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/toto.conf
10:27
<cliebow>
ogra..great..i will leave you for the time being...
10:28
<nosedrum>
ok i have nudetstand
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10:28
<nosedrum>
understand
10:28
<ogra>
cliebow, ask away, just dont expect quick answers :)
10:28
<nosedrum>
and i need to update image before
10:28
ok ok
10:28
<cliebow>
you rock man!!
10:28
<scottmaccal>
clibow: iMac?
10:29
<cliebow>
this is a g4..all i have to work with atm..still trying to get ltsp-build-client to run all the way thru
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<scottmaccal>
cliebow: Ubuntu PPC on the server?
10:30
<adrien>
Gadi or ogra : so how can I make sure jetpipe is working?
10:32
<cliebow>
scottmaccal, karmic installed flawlessly on g4..havnt got an nbd image yet so noterminals yet
10:34
ROCKIN! so faR
10:34
<scottmaccal>
What is the status with Ubuntu and PPC. I thought that port was dropped. It still apparently but I am a little confused.
10:34
It still lives?
10:34
<ogra>
its "community supported" :)
10:35
<scottmaccal>
ahh, awesome.
10:35
<cliebow>
there is a karmic powerpc cd image which worked flawlessly for me
10:35
<ogra>
so there are two/three people caring for the worst breakage
10:35
but you will often find a lot additional breakage
10:35
<cliebow>
it is tremmendous progress since intrepid
10:35
<ogra>
which doesnt occur in the supported ubuntu arches
10:36
<scottmaccal>
ogra: I see. Thank you for sharing this info.
10:37
<squarepeg>
scottmaccal, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/
10:37
<scottmaccal>
wow!
10:37
you read my mind
10:37
that was freaky
10:37
<cliebow>
heehee
10:37
<scottmaccal>
he I was just about to type that
10:37
<nosedrum>
Somebody have a classic and simple xorg.conf file with vesa driver used ???
10:37
<ogra>
there is also an installable live image .... but i doubt many people tested that
10:38
<scottmaccal>
OK. I'm going to get a table in here and get to work then.
10:38
<cliebow>
real work? or fun work?
10:38
<scottmaccal>
:-)
10:39
<cliebow>
jot down ogra's last
10:39
<scottmaccal>
fun work because it is real work
10:39
we have a lot of iMacs no longer in use and I am trying to get LTSP going here
10:40
<squarepeg>
crappola..the thing just ran out of juice midstream..i have to go do some real work now
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<squarepeg>
scottmaccal, i dont know as i have ever gotten an imac to netboot..so it might be a little work to do so..
10:46
<scottmaccal>
thank for the warning
10:47
\me 'was justed asked by one of the people now running Ubuntu if it is Windows 7'
10:48* scottmaccal 'told them it was even better :-)'
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<Ahmuck>
k, sooo. i have a machine with 2G ram, and 2G proc, lot faster than my 800mhz-1G machines with 512Mb ram, and there is a noticable difference. I don't think I could recommend anybody try ltsp on anything less. I've been working for an hour and have forgotten I was working on a thin terminal
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<Wollie>
Hi all!
13:05
I got some problems with ltsp that I can't get solved.
13:06
I'm working in a small company. They have 1 server and 3 thin clients. The server is based on Ubuntu.
13:06
The guys who set this thing up are gone and not able to help me anymore, so I need to figure out what to do
13:07
<Appiah>
whats the problem then? :)
13:07
<Wollie>
the problem is that all thin clients regularly lock up. The only way of getting them to work is to reboot the thin client
13:07
I've tried to kill all processes of a user with problems, but without success
13:08
the load of the server is not high, there is sufficient memory, and it only happens at irregular intervals
13:08
<sbalneav>
How much ram is in the thin clients? And what kind of thin clients are they?
13:08
<Wollie>
not with certain programs or actions. It just happened when one of our employees was using firefox. Earlier today it happened with another employee who was using Writer (openoffice)
13:10
the thin clients are HP Compaq t5000's with 128MB of memory
13:12
<sbalneav>
In Firefox and OpenOffice.org, are they doing stuff with images?
13:12
128 megs is good for a lot of thing, but if there's heavy image manipulation, they may be running out of ram.
13:12
if so, then enabling NBD swap may be the answer.
13:13
<Wollie>
is there any way I can check on those thin clients how much ram they have available? I never configured (or connected) to anyone of them.
13:14
I'll look into NBD swap. Everything that helps will be great, because they are ready to throw the things out of the window ;)
13:16* Gadi thinks that throwing them out the window should certainly make them crash
13:16
<sbalneav>
Well, the simplest would be to enable a shell with SCREEN_02 = shell, and then check the ram with free
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<sbalneav>
Hmm, we've cleaned up some of the docs, I should cut a new pdf for the site.
13:21
Gadi: BTW, lts-parameters.txt is now dead. We've all agreed to update the lts.conf.xml file in the ltsp-docs-trunk package.
13:22
You should be able to commit to that branch, as committers includes the ltsp-upstream group.
13:22
<Gadi>
is that a hint ;)
13:25
<johnny>
there should be a !command for that then
13:26
<sbalneav>
Gadi: I suggested that anyone failing to update lts.conf.xml would be flogged with a wet noodle.
13:26
vagrantc wondered if something harder would be more appropriate.
13:26
<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: hey, did you get my mailing list invite?
13:26
<sbalneav>
So, it seems it's not *ME* you have to worry about :)
13:26
brendan0powers: No!
13:26
<brendan0powers>
oh
13:27
<sbalneav>
Where where where where
13:27
gimme gimme gimme gimme
13:27
<brendan0powers>
just s sec
13:27
*a sec
13:27
<sbalneav>
:)
13:28
<brendan0powers>
the project name is currently OpenAS(Open Authentication Sever)
13:28
but I don't really like it
13:28
openass....
13:29
<CAN-o-SPAM>
wheres this project?
13:29
<brendan0powers>
the mailing list is at http://groups.google.com/group/openas
13:29
<sbalneav>
Well, at least you didn't call it Open Samba LDAP Uniform Triaging System.
13:29
<brendan0powers>
there's no wiki yet
13:30
warren wanted to call it Authenazilla:)
13:30
*Authentazilla
13:30
<CAN-o-SPAM>
whats the two sentence benefit to using what this project should be?
13:31
sbalneav, saw your video. Going to need you to stop by and snap your fingers for me sometime too
13:31
<brendan0powers>
its going to be an authentication server that supports window, linux, mac
13:31
<sbalneav>
CAN-o-SPAM: "Finally standardizing ldap so that all linux systems can have a standard ldap schema they can implement for authentication"
13:31
<brendan0powers>
and have decent admin UI
13:31
<sbalneav>
yeah
13:31
what brendan said.
13:31
<CAN-o-SPAM>
i figured admin UI had something to do w/ it ;)
13:32
call it UberAuth
13:33
<brendan0powers>
we wanted openauth
13:33
<sbalneav>
brendan0powers: ok, joineded
13:33
<brendan0powers>
but AOL is using it:)
13:33
awesome
13:33
I need to get the wiki up
13:33
and put my ideas on it
13:33
then we can try to get some other pople on the list, and start the discussion
13:33
<scottmaccal>
how about pre-samba4 ;)
13:34
<brendan0powers>
no
13:34
its not just samba4
13:34
although thats probably the trickiest part
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<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: so, I had an idea for making it real simple to configure linux clients to the server
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we have a small binary, that each distro patches to configure pam,ndss, etc
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you run it, give it the IP of the authntication server, or it finds it with zeroconf
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and then all the important info is looked up and configured(ldap server, base DN, kerberos info, etc..)
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<sbalneav>
Well, it sounds good. I'm not sure, packaging policy wise for debian/redhat, etc. if you're allowed to have a program that touches config files other than it's own, but we can burn that bridge when we come to it :)
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<vagrantc>
you're definitely not allowed to edit configuration files of other packages for debian, but you can use any sort of plugin infrastructure, such as /etc/foo.d directories
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<vagrantc>
or use update-foo to configure it.
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if it provides that interface
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<scottmaccal>
I vote for be4 as the name for the project as a pun on Star Trek and because it is before samba4
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: right.
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I think one of the problems with libpam_ldap is that it DOESN'T provide an "update-ldap.cfg" or equivalent program.
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: so, it might be handy (and necessary) to add one to pam-ldap, in order for something like this to work. How would you recommend something like this get implemented?
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I'm willing to take a look at it, as, if OpenAS doesn't pan out (for whatever reason), I'll need to solve this for Edubuntu one way or the other.
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<johnny>
this is something that canonical should be solving isn't it??/
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you could of course.. just repackage fedora directory services .. :)
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lol
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<sbalneav>
johnny: as far as I've seen when I've looked at it, Fedora Directory Services is so tightly coupled to how fedora "does things" that it's no small task to do, and may not even be possible. That was my impression when I looked at it.
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johnny: and no, it's not "something that canonical" should be solving.
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<johnny>
really? you think their clients would be begging for something
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in what way is is tightly coupled to fedora..
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not that i really care even
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ignore the question
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i just want your life to be easier :)
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<sbalneav>
it's a problem with the debian package. Debian has a package (libpam-ldap) which requires changes to files in /etc to use effectively, and they don't provide the required helper app.
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<johnny>
ah
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hopefully pam ldap peeps can help?
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<sbalneav>
No, since the "no touching /etc files" thing is a debian packaging rule.
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<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: so no package can touch any other packages config files?
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even if it doesn't do it in the package scripts?
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<sbalneav>
brendan0powers: Well, they CAN, *IF* there's a tool to allow them to do it in a "normalized" way.
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i.e. an "update-ldap.conf" script
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<brendan0powers>
so, for example, we had a binary that the user would run after the package was installed
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hmm
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<sbalneav>
so what we need to do is write a "update-ldap.conf" script, and get that included into pam-ldap (not that hard).
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then YOUR binary calls "update-ldap.conf" to make the mods.
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but your binary touching the files directory is a no-no
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At least, that's my understanding.
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<brendan0powers>
hmm
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that seems really limiting
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It kinda makes sense though
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<sbalneav>
No, not really. It just means we need to have one additional step: write the "update" script. :)
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<brendan0powers>
yea
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although ldap.conf has a lot of options
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although writing the script wouldn't be that hard
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<sbalneav>
The idea's supposed to be, installing a package should never bugger about with conf files without notifying the user.
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I think it can be as simple as:
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script is provided with an "ldap.conf" file
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script backs up the original ldap.conf file
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script replaces file with new conf file.
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So it may not be a super hard thing to do :)
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but I'd want to talk to vagrant to be sure, and he just died. :)
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so when he pops his head back in... we'll nail him :)
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<brendan0powers>
sbalneav: yea, sounds awfully hard
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not sure if its worth it:)
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<sbalneav>
I know!
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I'll be months writing it!
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The HARD part will be getting the debian maintainer of pam-ldap to accept it. But we have vagrantc and his dulcet tones to help smooth things over, so I'm not too worried.
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Besides, it would help OTHER projects, like skolelinux, debian-edu, etc. So, I'm sure it won't be a problem.
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<squarepeg>
anyone have pics posted of bts?
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<sbalneav>
Not yet. I think I have a picasa account somewhere. I'll look at some posts tonight.
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<squarepeg>
cool!..my typing has been awesome today huh..
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, the new nick's really suiting you!
14:45
You gonna keep this? Or is this a temporary fling?
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<Egyptian[Home]>
sbalneav: sounds like you are rewriting rpm
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<squarepeg>
ohh just screwing around with karmic..felt like a time for upwardly mobile
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<sbalneav>
squarepeg: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.438392,-68.362985&spn=0.002827,0.004823&t=h&z=18
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That's your new place, right?
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Egyptian[Home]: No. I'm talking about apt, not rpm
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I don't know what's RPM's packaging policy regarding wether one package can touch another packages files.
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<Egyptian[Home]>
when u upgrade an rpm and it finds an existing conf file .. the new file from the rpm is called conf.rpmnew
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<squarepeg>
smiths brook road doesnt seem right..ill look
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<Egyptian[Home]>
similarly when u erase the conf file and its different from the rpm's version its left behind as conf.rpmsave
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<squarepeg>
it is right though
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ogra is prob asleep huh..
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<sbalneav>
Egyptian[Home]: debian policy requires that no package touch another packages files UNLESS the other package provides a helper app to allow that to happen in a controlled manner.
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libpam-ldap just doesn't have the helper app. We just need to write it.
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<Egyptian[Home]>
sbalneav: ok .. i dont know debian nor apt .. so i will just
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<tstafford>
The next-server setting in dhcpd.conf points to the host running tftp and the SERVER setting lts.conf point to the application server... is that correct?
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<squarepeg>
c y'all
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<squarepeg>
sbalneav:http://artiomix.googlepages.com/ubuntu.png
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<alkisg>
tstafford: yup
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<squarepeg>
cute baby anyway
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<tstafford>
thanks
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<squarepeg>
later...
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<sbalneav>
heh
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<chrisinajar>
i have the PC version
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oops...
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up enter FAIL
15:29* chrisinajar switches konsole tabs to where I'm testing a binary :P
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<sbalneav>
brendan0powers: OK, had a talk with pere in #debian-edu.
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turns out the libpam-ldap package accepts pre-seeding of values, i.e., you can give it your own ldap.conf file.
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So that may be a winner.
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As well, there's a libpam-ldapd package, which is newer, and may have more goodies/preseeding/what have you.
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I'll look into that tonight.
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<brendan0powers>
k
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sbalneav: sounds good, Its not really an immediate concern, as we have to get the whole server part working first....
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<nubae>
Gadi, nt sure whats with da sbsbs, ill get down on dat tomorrow
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<dro>
good evening
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