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Channel log from 19 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
Bonjour!
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<klausade>
Pascal_1: morgen :-)
02:17
<coolio>
we have a very strange problem, installed hardy, 20 x hpt5000 terminals, only 3 terminals find dhcp and the rest just cant find any
02:20
ogra any tips
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<coolio>
just logging into server now seems slow has gone very slow
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<Q-FUNK>
ace_suares: looks good
04:08
ace_suares: a simpler way is simply to do "sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/"
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<masus>
hi all
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: could you chekc if your DBE60 still even boots on Hardy? here, I get a kernel oops during image loading.
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<ace_suares>
hello good mornig
07:04
Q-FUNK: ty
07:05
Q-FUNK: link to it from your pages :-)
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<vpro>
hello
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<Q-FUNK>
terve
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<vpro>
oho
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<Q-FUNK>
:)
07:16
<vpro>
I have a problem. I just installed ltsp from packages with Hardy and it is a bit different from the previous version
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<Q-FUNK>
a bit. not that much.
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<vpro>
is there any documentation for this new version?
07:17
<Q-FUNK>
nothing has been updated, AFAIK
07:17
but ask anyway
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<vpro>
how can I create a user for the thin client
07:17
for debugging purposes
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<Q-FUNK>
you'd need to do that in the chroot, then re-generate the image
07:18
what do you need to debug, more specifically?
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<vpro>
that is a long story :)
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<vpro>
but I have separated the desktop session to a separate machine
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and have the ltsp access part on another
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<Q-FUNK>
ok, so one machine provides the LTSP boot image and another one serves the desktops?
07:20
<vpro>
yes
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<Q-FUNK>
that should work, as long as it's properly configured on your DHCP server.
07:20
it's not an ideal solution, mind you
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<vpro>
in previous version I just changed the server attribute from lts.conf and imported application servers public keys to the access server
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<Q-FUNK>
you'd also need to modify the lts.conf to point to a different server. not an easy task.
07:22
that should still work, AFAIK
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<vpro>
ok
07:22
there is some problems so I need to check what is going on
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<Q-FUNK>
you can just temporarily enable the root password, for that
07:23
<vpro>
but the creation of a new user to the nfs-root did not work as it used to
07:23
as it is somewhat different now
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<Q-FUNK>
we don't use NFS anymore
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<vpro>
ok
07:23
lets say client root?
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<Q-FUNK>
we use network blocks
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<vpro>
I noticed
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<vpro>
where does the user information come from?
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apparently not from /opt/ltsp/i386
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<Q-FUNK>
inside the boot image, yes
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<Blinny>
Gadi: ping
07:30
Oh. There is no Gadi there is only Zeul.
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<rjune>
Gadi usually comes on sometime around 0900 ET
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it's around 0830 currently
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<vpro>
Q-FUNK: when you say regenerate image do you mean that ltsp-update-image?
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<Q-FUNK>
yes
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<vpro>
good
07:34
I will give it a go
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<Q-FUNK>
after you made your changes and exit the chroot
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<Blinny>
rjune: Thanks.
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<masus>
hi all, one question is it possible to create an default desktop for all ltsp users.
08:11
the preferences panels and so on.
08:11
i use ltsp with xfce
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<Blinny>
masus: Sure - the edubuntu handbook has a good writeup about this, by using Sabayon and Pesselus (sp?)
08:17
masus: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ch03s07.html
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<masus>
Blinny: Thank U :) i use debian etch do u have a link for that
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<Blinny>
masus: The idea is the same. The link basically says 'use sabayon and pesselus'
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<masus>
ok i have starting reading
08:38
Blinny: Thank u very much have found what im looking for ...
08:40
<Blinny>
Great.
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<barbosa>
Lns, Hi with PXE boot and 2.6.20.9-ltsp-1 kernel the system freeze
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<masus>
by default which login manager is come with ltsp ? LDM or GDM
09:28
<Blinny>
masus: LDM for LTSP5
09:30
<masus>
Blinny : is it possible to change? to GDM
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<masus>
dummy question yes :)
09:37
i dont understand why the ldm package by me is not installed by default.
09:42
have problems with Auto login features have added these lines to lts.conf "[00:30:05:06:CC:D5] \ LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true \ LDM_USERNAME=xxx \ LDM_PASSWORD=xxx" where xxx is the real user and pass, and have installed the package ldm.
09:42
but nothing changed may i do something wrong ?
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<vpro>
masus: I have used gdm with ltsp
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<masus>
vpro: im newbie can u explain howto ?
09:59
if not no problem
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<ogra>
masus, yu ill lose all additional features, but can enable it by SCREEN_07=xdmcp
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(and setting up GDM right for XDMCP as well)
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<vpro>
I meant to say I used to :)
10:00
with SCREEN_07=startx
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<masus>
ok thanks i'll try
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<ogra>
thats deprecated with the latest releases
10:00
its called xdmcp now
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<masus>
and whats with the auto-login any ideas ?
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<ogra>
but in your case i'D be more concerned why you have a broken setup at all, did the ltsp-build-client not finish properly ?
10:01
ldm *must* be there in any case
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else something went fundamentally wrong
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<masus>
i use ltsp since 2 days without any errors
10:04
but i want to add auto login so i have googled a little
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and see the that i need ldm for that
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and hav look with aptitude and see thats not installed
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so i have install it for 30 min ago
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<ogra>
note that ldm should never ever be installed on the server, it needs to be in the client environment (under /opt/ltsp/)
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<masus>
oh
10:06
so it was installed
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<ogra>
and f you use etch without the backports i dont think ldm knew about autologin back then, etch is pretty old
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<masus>
hmmm u think thats the problem
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<vpro>
masus: autologin is quite easy with gdm
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<masus>
nothing is easy for me
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:)
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<ogra>
vpro, but no local devcies, no secuity and no sound setup or any of the other ltsp features will work
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they are all tied to ldm in ltsp5
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<vpro>
masus: that is true
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<vpro>
I meant that you loose a lot of features
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but you can always make them yourself
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:)
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<ogra>
sure, but ten dont ask for support :P
10:10
*then
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<jammcq>
well, you can always ASK for support. we just won't be able to help as well
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<masus>
nooooooo i dont want use gdm
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:)
10:12
all what i want is auto login
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<vpro>
does it work with ldm?
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<masus>
by me not
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<ogra>
it does with a recent release
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<vpro>
good
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<ogra>
etch is 1.5 years old
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<jammcq>
that's young, in debian years
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<ogra>
either use the backports, use a newer debian or use ubuntu
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<vpro>
is there a howto?
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<ogra>
!ubuntu
10:14
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
10:14
<ogra>
!debian
10:14
<ltspbot>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
10:14
<ogra>
the two latter links
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<barbosa>
jammcq, hi
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<jammcq>
hey
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<barbosa>
is possible you try help me with rtl8101E ?
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<jammcq>
hmm, probably not. I've been out of ltsp development for a very long time
10:20
<barbosa>
jammcq, ok
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<ogra>
that was fxed only very recently (2.6.25 i think)
10:21
you will need some very new ltsp version for that, i dont think there exists any yet using this kernel
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(because i havent managed to pull in the ltsp merges into ntrepid yet, else you could at least try the ubuntu dev release)
10:22
*intrepid
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<cliebow_>
brb
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<ogra>
ah, no, i just see it was backported to ubuntu hardy, so it should work there with rtl8101E whith no oopses or other problems now
10:24
you just need the updated kernel from hardy-proposed
10:24
barbosa, ^^^^
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(if you dont use ubuntu, ask your distro maintainer to include the fix)
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<barbosa>
ogra, I use openSUSE.
10:26
ogra, in ubuntu this nic work ?
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<ogra>
yes
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in hardy (8.04) with -updates and -proposed or in intrepid (8.10)
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<barbosa>
ogra, what version the best ubuntu ?
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<ogra>
hardy
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<barbosa>
ogra, ok thanxxx
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<ogra>
see the help.ubuntu.com page above for nstall instructions
10:29
<barbosa>
ogra, ok.
10:29
ogra, I try download now
10:31
ogra, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS (Hardy Heron) this version ?
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<ogra>
right
10:31
you need the alternate CD if you want to install ltsp from the CD
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<supreme>
help, urgent
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pxe32 tftp timeout
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im in a cafe, and this is happenning at this moment
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im the admin
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<laga>
fix it then?
10:46
is your tftp server running?
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<cliebow>
jammcq:doed 19? when x starts?s your Sony hard lock using 2.6.24-10 an
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Balla
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<ace_suares>
hi
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jammcq ! nice to see ya :-)
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<cliebow>
jammcq:does when x starts your Sony hard lock using 2.6.24-18 and 19?
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<jammcq>
cliebow: heh, was that a queson?
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<ace_suares>
so what filesystem is ltsp using now.. not nfs but..netblock ?
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<jammcq>
cliebow: I'm not running Linux on my sony any more
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<cliebow>
this thing is doing yinoda aga
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<jammcq>
my sony has become my iTunes machine running some other crappy os
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<cliebow>
yoda again
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<jammcq>
hey ace_suares
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<ace_suares>
does that suport symlinks ? where do ineed to look for the info ?
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sorry abotu my stupid questions.
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<ace_suares>
how you doing jammcq :-)
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<cliebow>
this thing i will use for a mooring at this rate
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<jammcq>
ace_suares: it's using squashfs over nbd. Dunno if it supports symlinks
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<cliebow>
jammcq:if you had to buy a lappie what would you look at?
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<jammcq>
I prefer the Dells
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<cliebow>
i have thre older dells still plugin way
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gotta go for the boat..later..
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<masus>
ogra: is it possible to build the client tree from ubuntu hardy to debian etch ?
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<devilbues>
exit
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<bartoloco>
hello
12:33
good morning
12:34
is there any way to connect a tk-735 terminal box as a thin client
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please give me some help
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<warren>
ogra: ping
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<johnny>
i don't even know what that is..
12:41
never heard anybody mention it
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<bartoloco>
the brand is termtek
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<Gadi>
bartoloco: perhaps you can ask a question related to a problem you are having with it?
12:43* Gadi doesnt know if any termtek support reps are in this channel :)
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<bartoloco>
thank you for yoy answers
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<jammcq>
termtek support reps? hehehehehehehe
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<alkisg>
ogra, about ipconfig: klibc 1.5.11 is out, and has one of my patches that I think was the basic problem: the ltsp-server answered first with DHCP_OFFER, ipconfig then send DHCP_REQUEST, but finally ipconfig mistook the just-arriving router offer as DHCPACK (and so fell to busybox). I think that should cover many of the problematic cases without changing anything in ltsp_nbd. I'm still waiting for some other patches to be approved though...
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<vagrantc>
gah! ubuntu hasn't synced initramfs-tools with debian since before etch was released ...
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there's some functionality in there that i'd really like to add to ltsp_nbd
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, I think it's time! :P
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I was tired of unplugging the router every time I wanted to boot a client... :)
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<warren>
vagrantc: hey, do you know where is the source for the thing debian uses to figure out a keyboard layout?
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<vagrantc>
warren: no idea
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<Gadi>
I know I know!
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lemme just look it up
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try: /etc/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst
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if thats what you mean
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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<warren>
Gadi: I don't have debian, so I'm wondering what package of source I need to download?
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<vagrantc>
warren: hmmm... i would be happy to try and help you, but i guess i'd need a more specific question
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warren: "figure out a keyboard layout" ?
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<warren>
vagrantc: I want to see the algorithm used by the "figure out the keyboard layout" thing that debian has
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<vagrantc>
warren: what's the context?
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<warren>
well, I heard debian has it
14:49
I've never seen it
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<vagrantc>
i don't know what you mean by "figure out" i guess.
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<warren>
vagrantc: rather than manually pick keyboard layout options from a big and confusing menu, it tells you to type things until it figures out your layout. Apple has something similar.
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<vagrantc>
warren: ah!
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<Q-FUNK>
dexconf
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<warren>
dexconf does only keyboard setup?
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<vagrantc>
dexconf builds xorg.conf
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<warren>
oh
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<stgraber>
warren: http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy/cdebconf-keystep maybe that's what you are looking for
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<warren>
stgraber: sounds like it
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thx
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<Nuba1>
hmmm... anyone know what a loki package is?
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<Gadi>
wasnt loki the game company that open sourced their installer?
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it may be an installer
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or a package for the loki installer
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<Nuba1>
trying to install crossover demo for someone and it complains
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This CrossOver Linux Standard Debian package cannot be installed on top of a Loki package.
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<Gadi>
ah - I think crossover used the loki installer
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so, you can get it either in loki installer form or straight deb
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<Nuba1>
ok, what I'm installing is a .deb, not sure what it means with installing on top of loki package
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or... maybe because there is a previous installation in /opt/cxoffice
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<Gadi>
it means you need to blow away (or uninstall) all the existing crossover files
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<Nuba1>
and that was a script...
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<Nuba1>
k... delete that and it should go I guess
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<Gadi>
yup
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<Nuba1>
was hoping I could just put it on top, not to have to reinstall all the windows apps
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<Gadi>
the windows apps should live in ~/.cxoffice
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iirc
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so, you should be good to go
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<Nuba1>
in managed version they are under /opt
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<Gadi>
ah
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<Nuba1>
what does iirc mean?
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<johnny>
if i recall correctly
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you could use a search engine to find that tho :)
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<Nuba1>
just wondering people use it on here... I'm just wondering what it means
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<|Ryan52>
or install the debian package 'wtf'. probably in other distros too.
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oh. bsdgames. same difference.
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<Nuba1>
if it really counts... ok
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another mystery resolved :-)
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or If I recall correctly
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I think he meant the latter
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doh... now I'm reading the conversation again and see johnny said that like 20 minutes ago
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its getting late...
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<barbosa>
ogra, hi
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