IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 16 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<madcore>
I have a little big problem with ltsp 4.2 & 4.1
00:00
When using XF86_* xserver not work "backspace" key
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06:34
<rafiks>
cliebow : hey!
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06:35
<rafiks>
cliebow : I already have a a keyboard and XDMCP session,,,but I don't have a shell ..
06:36
cliebow : i can ctrl-alt-f2 but I can't see anything
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09:06
<g333k_work>
good morning!
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09:28
<irule>
hi, I am installing my first termianl and am stuck where it says "ramdisk at 34kjlekrtj3 size ·$%&$&%$&", how can I proceed?
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09:47
<irule>
ping
09:47
<g333k_work>
Hello, I'm migrating from ltsp 4.2 to 5, I dont know where is the lts.conf located and if it has the same structure, besides I'm having troubles setting up the autologin with specific users, is the same way that ltsp 4.2?
09:48
<Gadi>
quiet room today.
09:48
irule: what version of LTSP?
09:48
<g333k_work>
Gadi, yep :(
09:49
<jammcq>
nice and quiet
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09:49
<irule>
how can I know the version?
09:49
<Gadi>
g333k_work: same structure as 4.2, but not all configs supported
09:49
irule: how did you install it?
09:49
<irule>
good morning all lol
09:49
a cdrom :D
09:49
<Gadi>
heh. which one?
09:49
:P
09:49
<irule>
I downloaded from ltsp.org
09:49
<g333k_work>
Gadi, is located ion the same place? how can I know what options are not supported?
09:50
<Gadi>
g333k_work: LTSP 5 (ubuntu's version) does not need an lts.conf
09:50
but you can put one in the same place as 4.2
09:50
there should be an lts-parameters.txt file somehwere
09:50
er, somewhere
09:50
jammcq: is there a CD on ltsp.org?
09:51
<irule>
it contains the tsp-kernel-2.6.17.3-ltsp-1-0-i386.ltsp
09:51
among other things ;)
09:51
<Gadi>
hmm, well it sounds like 4.2
09:52
do you remember running a command called "ltsp-build-client" or one called ltspadmin?
09:52
<irule>
/root/ltsp-4.2u2-0.iso du, lol
09:52
<Gadi>
ah
09:52
there ya go
09:52
:)
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<irule>
ltspadmin only, Ive gone through that already
09:53
<Gadi>
so, whats the point where you get hung up?
09:53
<irule>
where is "ltsp-build-client"?
09:53
<Gadi>
its not
09:53
thats ltsp5
09:53
dont mind that
09:53
<irule>
ramdisk at $%&$%&%, size $%&///7
09:53
<Gadi>
we like to keep things confusing for job security ;)
09:53
<irule>
ok?
09:53
<Gadi>
jk
09:53
<irule>
:s
09:54
well at least you got me confused already lol
09:54
<Gadi>
are there numbers where charlie brown is cursing?
09:54
<irule>
yes
09:54
<Gadi>
are there any lines that precede that one?
09:54
<irule>
and before that it says "top of ramdisk is 0X21632362..."
09:55
yes there are many lines before that, is there a logfile I can pastebin to you?
09:55
dotted lines ;)
09:55
<Gadi>
heh. given that they are ramdisk issues, my first suspicion is bad ram
09:55
do you have a second terminal handy?
09:56
<irule>
not yet :s
09:56
<Gadi>
if its a hardware problem, best not to tear your hair out up front
09:56
hmm...
09:56
what kind of machine?
09:56
can you add/remove/replace any RAM?
09:56
<irule>
but the terminal does have windows 98 installed and I am using an eb-xxx-.com
09:56
and win98 is not complaining about the ram
09:57
should I still replace ram?
09:57
<Gadi>
so you set up your bootloader to dual boot between network and win98?
09:57
or you have the etherboot on a disk?
09:58
<irule>
even easyer, I added the eb-xxx.com into autoexec.bat before it runs win.com so I got a quick terminal ;)
09:58
<Gadi>
hmm... can you try with a straight etherboot disk
09:58
<irule>
nope, eb-xxx.com is on the same hard disk as the win98
09:58
<g333k_work>
Gadi, what about the autologin feature... can you help me to se it up well? when I restart the gdm daemon my clients didnt restart... they keep connected
09:58
<Gadi>
g333k_work: you need to set SCREEN_07=startx
09:58
<irule>
straight etherboot? sounds like I am using a gay disk? lol
09:58
<Gadi>
otherwise you will use ldm by default
09:59
irule: heh. not that there's anything wrong with that. if you have a floppy/cd drive,I would burn a disk and etherboot that way
09:59
(or if you have PXE in the bios....)
09:59
<irule>
ok thanks Gadi Ill try that :)
10:00* Gadi worries about the RAM to load the kernel image not being available because autoexec.bat is already loading
10:00* Gadi never booted that way
10:00
<irule>
my girlfriend's best friend is a hopeless homo, I send them shopping together sometimes and she comes back sparklingly happy afterwards lol
10:01
<jammcq>
wait a sec, your girlfriends best friend.... shouldn't that be you ?
10:02
<irule>
ok, seconf best friend ;) ...it actually was my idea that the go shopping together, so I can do usefull stuff while they try clothes on together
10:02
I still get to take the clothes off at home tho lol
10:03
my girlfriend's clothes only, of course! ;)
10:03
<g333k_work>
Gadi, Oooh, is not working like ltsp 4.2 anymore? from screen_01 in advance?
10:04
<Gadi>
g333k_work: on Ubuntu, ldm runs on screen_07 by default. Im not sure if the lower screens have tty's available
10:04
but, I know screen_07 should work
10:05
note: until sbalneav shares his XDMCP removable media support, you will not have removable media with XDMCP (not sure if he's released this yet or not?)
10:06
but, ldm has no autologin feature
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so if you are looking for autologin + removable media + LTSP5, you will need some hacking atm
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<irule>
can I use rawrite to flash the eb-xxx.lzdsk on the floppy?
10:08
<psyco-obiwan>
hi folks
10:08
<irule>
hi
10:08
<psyco-obiwan>
yes iirc
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10:09
<efra>
Morning everybody
10:10
<psyco-obiwan>
hi efra
10:12
<irule>
can I use rawrite to flash the eb-xxx.lzdsk on the floppy?
10:13
<g333k_work>
Gadi, or using K12LTSP instead?
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<g333k_work>
Gadi, are you there?
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10:30
<budgee>
jammcq: any news re the VNC mail?
10:30
no replies to the mailing list posting
10:30
am i barking up the wrong tree?
10:32
<jammcq>
budgee: what are you expecting?
10:32
<budgee>
jammcq: well, the gentoo guys want to remove ltsp-4.2 from the tree unless it is updated to fix the vnc exploit.
10:32
<jammcq>
ok, what is your proposal?
10:32
<budgee>
must i bypass the ltsp supplied vnc pakage and make gentoo use another?
10:33
<jammcq>
or remove vnc altogether
10:33
all work is going towards LTSP-5
10:33
<budgee>
yes, i understand that.
10:33
<jammcq>
that's where i'd like people to spend their time
10:33
libvnc is used by a very small number of people
10:33
just remove it from the ebuild and move on
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<budgee>
if someone had replied to my mail with a "dude, you've go no chance of any work being here, we're all working on ltsp5" i would not have go to such great effort to try "fix" 4.2
10:34
i will fix the gentoo version
10:34
thanks
10:34
will join donnie and the gentoo/ltsp effort
10:34
thanks
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<budgee>
ciao
10:35
<jammcq>
SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:35
<sbalneav>
I'm BAAAAAAAAK
10:35
Good morning!!!
10:35
<pscheie>
scott, you're alive--still!
10:35
<sbalneav>
Cleared the decks, finally. Things are settling down.
10:36
<pscheie>
jim said you were rolling out...something. What was it?
10:36
<g333k_work>
Hey buddies! can you help me please? I have lots of doubts about ltsp 5, beginning from where the list of my clients? in the same /etc/hosts file?
10:36
<jammcq>
budgee: I don't think I saw your mail on that. I saw emails a few days ago, but nobody offering to do anything about it
10:36
<sbalneav>
pscheie: Huge new program. Poorly written. Lots of fixes needed to make it usable.
10:37
We went live on Jan 2, it's been hell since then.
10:37
<budgee>
jammcq: kewl thanks, i didn't have any idea ltsp was effectively unmaintained. no problem, but if i did, i would never have bothered trying to provide you guys with a "fix"
10:37
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: Yep, same /etc/hosts
10:37
<jammcq>
it's not so much that it's un-maintained
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<budgee>
jammcq: np, thanks - will workaround for gentoo ebuild and work toward 5
10:37
<jammcq>
but, we never came out with a version for Gentoo. somebody else did that
10:37
<budgee>
jammcq: just that next to nobody uses libnvc
10:38
<jammcq>
the gentoo port was never an official LTSP port
10:38
<g333k_work>
When I put SCREEN_07 = startx in my lts.conf the clients load and I see a X in the middle of the screen
10:38
<budgee>
jammcq: yes, but it is not the gentoo "version" that is the issue, it is the fact that 4.2 uses an exploitable vnc library compiled into x11vnx binary
10:38
<g333k_work>
btw I'm using Xubuntu edgy + ltsp5
10:38
<pscheie>
jammcq: doesn't fl_teachertool use libvnc? (which wouldn't affect the gentoo folks unless they wanted it)
10:39
<budgee>
jammcq: just as far as i can see, the gentoo guys identified it.
10:39
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: Well, you'll need some kind of display manager on the server.
10:39
<jammcq>
budgee: yes, but we don't even load the x11vnc binary
10:39
it's only used by a select few, and even then, they have to do some gymnastics to get it loaded
10:39
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: Either that, or don't use startx, use ldm
10:39
<budgee>
jammcq: then why include it? i assume it was included to allow for "Remote Asssistance"?
10:39
<jammcq>
we included it, cuz we *thought* we'd have remote assistance easily available
10:40
that never happened
10:40
<budgee>
jammcq: oook
10:40
jammcq: never knew that
10:40
<jammcq>
it's what we call "Kruft" :)
10:40
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, Well I'm just commenting that line... but when I restart the gdm daemon my clients keep connected... they dont see the changes in gdm.conf
10:40
<budgee>
jammcq: i just saw them bitchin about the exploit and wanting it fixed otherwise they'd remove it
10:40
jammcq: if it is not useful, i'll just remove the libvncserver package from the ebuild
10:40
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: You'll probably need to enable xdmcp in gdm
10:41
<budgee>
jammcq: thanks
10:41
<jammcq>
budgee: we didn't put LTSP into gentoo, we we weren't really concerned about it being removed. For 4.2, we'd rather have people install it the "official" way with ltspadmin
10:42
<budgee>
jammcq: ok, i get you there.
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<budgee>
jammcq: one more thing, are there archives of this channel?
10:44
<jammcq>
there used to be, but I don't think there are anymore
10:45
<budgee>
ok
10:45
thanks
10:48
<psyco-obiwan>
why is the content on ltsp.org and www.ltsp.org so different ?
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<jammcq>
psyco-obiwan: 'ltsp.org' is hosted on sourceforge. that is going away
10:49
<budgee>
psyco-obiwan: ltsp.org is the old site
10:49
<jammcq>
www.ltsp.org is the new site
10:49
<budgee>
psyco-obiwan: www. is the nre wiki-based site
10:49
jammcq: sorry, my bad
10:49
<psyco-obiwan>
always checked there for updates *lol*...happy to find out about 5 now
10:49
thx. but it might confuse lazy typers..
10:50
<jammcq>
I need to have 'ltsp.org' be directed to 'www.ltsp.org'
10:50
<pscheie>
sbalneav: I've got a LDA problem
10:51
when I plug in a usb stick, I get an icon for the stick, plus one labelled 'floppy'
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even tho' the client has no floppy drive
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I don't think it's a second partition on the stick because if I save something in the floppy folder, it
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<pscheie>
stays there even if I plug in a different USB stick
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<bip>
ogra, i was reading this :
10:52
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltsp-fat-clients
10:53
<sbalneav>
pscheie: What does your udev rules file look like
10:54
<bip>
i m askin u because i think u mantain that code, im doin a vmware xubuntu ltsp test instal and i was wondering if that code is feisty specific or if it might worh with edgy as well ogra
10:54
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, have yo ever tried to set up autologin with ltsp 5? I tried to follow this guide but I cant make it works... http://www.k12ltsp.org/mediawiki/index.php/A_more_complete_How-To_for_setting_up_autologin_of_clients_using_Gnome_&_GDM
10:54
<pscheie>
it's the stock 4.2, I haven't modified it. lemme look
10:54
<ogra>
bip, its feisty specific and not ready yet ...
10:54
<bip>
ok
10:55
do u know if that might work buy the time first beta will be released ?
10:55
<pscheie>
sbalneav: what's the pastebot address?
10:55
<ogra>
we already released the second beta fo feisty ... so no
10:55
<bip>
as we have discussed in the past im highly interested in testing fat clients and fat/thin clients integration
10:55
<ogra>
its missing the network authentication parts yet
10:56
<pscheie>
?pastebot
10:56
<bip>
well the last imagae release was stil labeled alpha or maybe i have missed something ogra
10:56
<ogra>
you can work without network auth though
10:57
<bip>
can i work w/out it ?
10:57
<ogra>
just do your user maintenance in the client chroot ...
10:57
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: No, I never use autologin
10:57
<bip>
well i sorta need to integrate that ino a ms AD structure ...
10:57
<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 adduser bleh
10:57
<bip>
so im really lookin foward to see the auth part solved too
10:57
<g333k_work>
Well maybe my question should have been: Does anybody here have set up autologin with ltsp 5?
10:57
<ogra>
will just create local user called bleh in the client environment
10:58
<sbalneav>
g333k_work: If you're going to use GDM + startx, then it should be the same.
10:58
<bip>
ok could act as workaround
10:58
<sbalneav>
It's just a gdm configuration issue.
10:58
<ogra>
apart from that the code i the spec should work right ...
10:58
<g333k_work>
sbalneav, The same what?
10:58
<bip>
ok i ll play a bit with it and let u know what i get out of it ...
10:59
<sbalneav>
It should be the same way to do things. I.e. autologin's handled by gdm.
10:59
<bip>
keep with the good work i hope to see the auth and fat client thing working soon ogra :)
11:00
<ogra>
me too ... feature freeze is feb 8th ... i need to have *something* until then ... and life is keeping me away from coding atm ... cross your fingers
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<bip>
is the auth thing supposed to be shipped with feisty ogra ? or it might be delayed ?
11:01
<ogra>
its supposed to be shipped
11:01
<pscheie>
sbalneav: what should I look for in udev.rules?
11:02
<bip>
:) ò ogra
11:02
oops
11:02
:) @ ogra
11:02
<sbalneav>
pscheie: Dunno. Have you mailed me the 15-ltsp rules file?
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<pscheie>
sbalneav: I have now. ;-)
11:06
<sbalneav>
Hmmm, caught up in my greylist
11:06
You can paste it in the private window I opened up
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<pscheie>
done
11:08
for the record, the bios is not seeing a floppy drive, since there isn't one
11:08
<sbalneav>
Where did you paste it?
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<pscheie>
in the other pirvate window. are you not seeing it? (I see your hello)
11:10
<cervajs>
hi, someone with fedora core 6 and ltsp? i have problems with keyboard (via xkb)
11:11
<ogra>
pscheie, is your nick registered at freenode? else you cant post msgs
11:11
<pscheie>
don't think so
11:12
how do I register?
11:12
<ogra>
/msg nickserv help
11:12
<pscheie>
register nick
11:13
<ogra>
/msg nickserv register pscheie
11:13
or /msg nickserv help register
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<pscheie>
ok, I just pasted what you wrote, and saw the nickserv echo 'register pscheie'
11:14
is that all I need to do?
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<joebaker>
On LTSP5 Ubuntu I'd like to put LDM on screen_02 and startx on screen_01 would point to the XDMCP server on the LTSP box that I've enabled with GDM.
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<rafiks>
hello!
12:30
im having trouble getting a shell on ltsp 4.1 ,netvista 8363, kernel 2.4.32 self compiled ..I have penguinduring boot-up..
12:30
lts.conf has SCREEN_02=shell
12:30
but when i do ctr-alt-f2 ,all i have is a blank screen
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<joebaker>
HA! I got LTSP5 to do startx instead of ldm by renaming the ldm script then creating a symlink of ldm to startx.
12:41
<cliebow_>
i am so miffed..jammcq calls my dear x11vnc cruft...8~(
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<Zweisteine>
hello. I am using ltsp-4.2. I'm trying to use international keyboards, but setxkbmap doesn't work, and nor does kxkb (from kde). If I follow the manual and do setxkbmap -print us | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY, it works OK. What should I do to make kxkb work?
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<troels>
Anyone here who knows a bit about ALSA
12:48
I have tried to GET ESD working and it works on all of my thin stations
12:49
<joebaker>
troels: I've just used it in an LTSP environment. I set alsa to use ESD and set up an environment variable of ESPEAKER=hostname:xxxx
12:49
I think alsa speaks to artsd --- I could be wrong.
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<troels>
I installed the package from the LTSP website http://downloads.sourceforge.net/symbiont/LTSP-esd-alsa_1.0.0-2.tgz?use_mirror=osdn
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<troels>
The reason why i need alsa is because allmost all softphones uses ALSA not ESD
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<cervajs>
Zweisteine: which distro?
12:52
<joebaker>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound Have you seen this page?
12:53
<troels>
Xubunto
12:54
Yes this guide i followed to get ESD working, and it works just fine
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<troels>
It says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
12:56
But if I switch to a tty on the thin client i can run the alsamixer without problems, and change the volume etc..
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<cervajs>
Zweisteine: plz send me mail to cervajs at fpf.slu.cz, i have same problem
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<macjunki1>
i just updated our ltsp install to 4.2 from 4.0 and updated the server from core 4 to centos 4.4 now when i try and boot my workstations its booting the older 2.4 kernel instead of the 2.6 kernel and drops to asking for a run level
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i'm looking ont he website and don' see where i shoudl be looking to troubleshoot this
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<sbalneav>
macjunki1: You need to update your dhcpd.conf file.
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Look in the ltsp 4.2 installation guide, it's got a sample dhcpd.conf in there.
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<troels>
cervajs i havent solved the problem yet, but when i do i will send you a mail
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<macjunki1>
duh sorry its been about 3 yrs since i set this up
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thx :)
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<troels>
macjunki1 i think its because your dhcp server points to the old kernel, remember to change the version name of the kernel
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<macjunki1>
yeah it is :)
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just fixed it and testing
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like i said its been about 2-3 yrs since i last looked at this beacuse its worked so well and its used for a beginining linux class so i can't realy touch it during the term
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now i'm getting an error that the bzImage-2.6.9-ltsp-3 isn't a valid image
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<troels>
Look here :
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if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/lts/2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0";
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}
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else{
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filename "/lts/vmlinuz-2.6.17.8-ltsp-1";
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}
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<macjunki1>
yeah
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<troels>
this is how my config look like
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<macjunki1>
fixed-address 10.12.130.168;
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if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "PXEClient" {
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filename "/eb/new.zpxe";
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} else if substring (option vendor-class-identifier, 0, 9) = "Etherboot" {
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filename "/lts/bzImage-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2";
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option vendor-encapsulated-options 3c:09:45:74:68:65:72:62:6f:6f:74:ff;
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thats mine
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<troels>
I think you need to change filename "/lts/bzImage-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2"; to filename "/lts/bzImage-2.6.16.1-ltsp-2/pxelinux.0";
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check if the path exists on your system
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<macjunki1>
yeah gonna do that
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needed to get some tunes going first
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:)
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<macjunki1>
whee it boots now :)
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now just gotta figure out X isn't loading
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get a blank X screen
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<troels>
Are you using XDMCP or GDM
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Your "ltsp admin can tell you this"
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<rafiks>
I have an Xdm login but no shell!
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<troels>
Add a shell login line to your ltsp.conf file
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<macjunki1>
yeah
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we're working now :)
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<troels>
Okay good
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<macjunki1>
have 40 machines booting off a single HP DL 360 G3
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<sepski>
ogra, can i ask you a ltsp-manager question ?
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<troels>
40 Thats nice :o)
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<macjunki1>
yeah runs so much nicer with 2.6 kernel and centos
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than it did with the 2.4 kernel and fedora
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<rafiks>
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clear
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macjunki: did it already ,,nothing,,this is a netvista 2200 8363
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<cliebow_>
rafiks: why do you need a shell? or would ssh in suffice?
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hreh
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<BilboFett>
I forgot to install potato guy. What is the syntax in yum to install it?
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potato guy? :) anyone?
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bueller....
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fry?
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<BilboFett>
I forgot to install potato guy. What is the syntax in yum to install it?
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please
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<cliebow_>
Godfather:pingo
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<BilboFett>
heh
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:)
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<cliebow_>
BilboFett:How Could you forget that..
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<BilboFett>
I'm really seriously asking a real question. My district didn't install it for me. I've tried searching for it using yum but nothing is coming up
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my district reinstalled my server over christmas break
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<cliebow_>
i googled and all i got was hungry
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<BilboFett>
:/
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<cliebow_>
heading h0ome....
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<pscheie>
BilboFett: I think you want kdegames
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yum install kdegames
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<BilboFett>
awesome
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<pscheie>
"Included with this package are: kenolaba, kasteroids, kblackbox, kmahjongg,
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kmines, konquest, kpat, kpoker, kreversi, ksame, kshisen, ksmiletris,
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ksnake, ksirtet, katomic, kjumpingcube, ktuberling."
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Potato Guy = ktuberling
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<BilboFett>
that did it
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thank you so much
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<pscheie>
you bet
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<BilboFett>
my kindergarten classes will be happy
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thanks for all the help
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<GodFather>
cliebow, how-de!!
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<J45p3r>
cliebow:?
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!seen cliebow
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<ltspbot>
J45p3r: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 0 hours, 25 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <cliebow> g333k_work:sorry..cant help you..
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<cliebow>
J45p3r:hey!!
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1seen cliebow
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!seen cliebow
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: cliebow was last seen in #ltsp 5 seconds ago: <cliebow> 1seen cliebow
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<cliebow>
hmmm
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<J45p3r>
hey
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<cliebow>
hi!
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<J45p3r>
just wondering if you heard anything about the EMS wifi?
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<cliebow>
not a thing
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i was there.they were working on it..
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they left wep kry and stuff with Carl
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<J45p3r>
ok, didn't get any info or anything?
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ok good
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i'll assume Carl will pass it to teachers
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<cliebow>
carl has it .i tried to make a copy..but office was closed...library was beroken
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<J45p3r>
i got Schraders wireless working, but I'm sure it's broken again now.
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<cliebow>
well need to get a hex equivalentit is prob the school number 12***
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yes im sure
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12335?
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<J45p3r>
school number is 1235
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I'm not sure what they'll use
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<cliebow>
its on the paper asnyway
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<jammcq>
hey guys
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