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Channel log from 19 November 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<pren>
sorry for such a basic question, but where is lts.conf ? (on ubuntu hardy)
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is it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ?
00:27
is there another lts.conf ?
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<isojussi>
still problems to login, some accounts work. in some accounts scrren goes to black with cursor and it reverts back to login screen
01:17
http://pastebin.com/m1a824e47 Xsessioon errors log
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<isojussi>
any help?
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<peeeeet>
good morning
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<peeeeet>
hello all i need some help maybe someone can help me. When I Try to start my Thinclient he boots very well but then i think when he try to start xserver the monitor get no signal. some ideas?
03:30
<Appiah>
try forcing some X configurations
03:30
like a lower res or another driver
03:30
or read the Xorg.0.log on the local client
03:32
<peeeeet>
Appiah: thx
03:32
<alkisg>
You could also try putting XSERVER=vesa in lts.conf
03:32
If that works, you'd be sure it's an X problem
03:33
<peeeeet>
alkisg: but i dont find my lts.conf
03:33
<Appiah>
create it
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<alkisg>
You need to create one
03:33
<peeeeet>
were?
03:33
<alkisg>
Is that Ubuntu?
03:33
<peeeeet>
debian
03:33
where sorry
03:33
<alkisg>
Hmmm I think it's in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf? not sure about debian...
03:34
See if there's a file there.
03:34
<Appiah>
/var/lib/tftpboot/<arch>/etc/lts.conf
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<peeeeet>
Appiah: ok
03:34
<alkisg>
Appiah: doesn't debian use nfs?
03:34
<Appiah>
hmm
03:34
I thought LTSP5 didnt use nfs?
03:34
<alkisg>
Nope
03:34
It's distro specific, whether they use or not
03:34
AFAIK debian uses NFS by default
03:34
<Appiah>
oh I see
03:34
thought it was a LTSP5 thing
03:35
my bad
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<alkisg>
peeeeet: does this file exist? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
03:35
<peeeeet>
alkisg: no
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<alkisg>
Is the chroot i386? or amd64?
03:35
<peeeeet>
but in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/ is no etc
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<alkisg>
No etc, it's "ltsp" like you said there
03:36
I.e. in Ubuntu it's in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
03:36
But I really think Debian uses /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<peeeeet>
alkisg: ok i try to make a lts.conf
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<alkisg>
Anyway, put it in both places, and then when the client boots you can see which on it got :)
03:37
*which one
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<peeeeet>
alkisg: ok i try to make a lts.conf
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<alkisg>
[Default]
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XSERVER=vesa
03:37
Put those 2 lines there
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<peeeeet>
ok one moment
03:38
then i need a ltsp-image-update?
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<alkisg>
No
03:38
That's only when you use nbd
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Debian uses nfs
03:39
It *can* use nbd, but it doesn't by default
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<peeeeet>
on server start it starts nfs-kernel-server so i think it uses nfs
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<alkisg>
...and on /etc/exports you should have /opt/ltsp/i386
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<peeeeet>
:) ok it seem to work slow but it works
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<alkisg>
peeeeet: don't leave it with vesa
03:45
Do try to see what was the problem, and fix it...
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E.g. lspci -nn to see the card, forced monitor timings etc
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<alkisg>
You can get a local shell by putting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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(and switching to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2)
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<peeeeet>
alkisg: ok thank you for help now i can optimizing some thinks but system is fast only the xstart was a little bit slow nice im happy xD
03:47
<alkisg>
You won't have xv and other things with vesa
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<peeeeet>
alkisg: i have no user to login on vt2
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<alkisg>
You don't need a user
03:48
The initscripts spawn a root shell if you do that
03:48
Also, nbd is lot faster at startup, you might want to switch to nbd if startup script is a problem...
03:48
*startup SPEED
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<peeeeet>
but when i switch with alt ctrl f2 i get ltsp login:
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<alkisg>
You *first* need to put the things I told you to lts.conf
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then reboot the client,
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and *then* you'll see the root shell there
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(11:44:34 πμ) alkisg: You can get a local shell by putting SCREEN_02=shell and SCREEN_07=ldm in lts.conf
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(11:44:43 πμ) alkisg: (and switching to vt2 with alt+ctrl+f2)
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<peeeeet>
oh sorry
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<alkisg>
np
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<peeeeet>
VGA: Via Techno. INC CN700/P4M800 PRO/P4M800 CE/VN800 S3 UniChrome Pro rev01
03:58
Do you mean this row?
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<alkisg>
Uh yeah try to find Gadi later on, he knows about the via/unichrome problems...
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<peeeeet>
ok
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<alkisg>
You'll also need to show him your /var/log/Xorg.0.log there
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(both when XSERVER=vesa is in effect, and when it isn't)
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So scp it to the server, and keep it somewhere
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<peeeeet>
ok
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thx i come back later
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<Appiah>
do you still need x_configure=true in lts.conf today for forcing a video driver, or is it only for resoultions?
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<kdegel>
morning
07:11
why are links from google to ltsp failing? is there something wrong with the ltsp site?
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<cyberorg>
kdegel, it seems to have moved here http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_Documentation
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<Appiah>
which one? :)
07:15
"You must be logged in to upload files."
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and I just tried to access the PDF
07:17
1462 days ago , haha feels like they just revived this SF page
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I never seen ltsp on SF before
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but its been there since 2001
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<cyberorg>
Appiah, everything seems to be moving back to sf
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<kdegel>
cyberorg: yeah google is still pointing to ltsp.org
07:28
thanks though
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<pmatulis>
do we have documentation for a 2nd dhcp server to serve only clients with specific MAC addresses?
07:32
<Appiah>
ltsp.org links are pointing to sf
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<kdegel>
is there some missing information from the sf wiki?
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<Appiah>
considering they just moved it , It wouldnt suprise me if something was missing
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<kdegel>
Gadi:
08:28
I was wondering if you could clarify something for me, you had helped me get the dvi thin clients to work with ltsp and 9.10 and said that with 8.04 I would just need to replace one of the options with CONFIG_0 or something (I am searching my logs again to find specifices)
08:28
but I tried that and haven't been successful, is there something else I should be changing?
08:30
<Gadi>
CONFIGURE_X=True
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<kdegel>
yup, thats it
08:30
I'm reading the old chat now
08:32
that instead of XRANDR_DISABLE right?
08:32
<Gadi>
right
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<kdegel>
let me try this one more time, I have been playing with different settings all yesterday
08:33
<peeeeeet>
Gadi: hello Gadi i have a problem with setting up my via/unichrome graphiccard on my ltsp clients can you help me ?
08:33
<Gadi>
shoot
08:33
<peeeeeet>
:)
08:33
<Gadi>
or should I say: shoooooooot
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<Gadi>
peeeeeet: are you ok?
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I didn't actually shoot
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the gun wasnt loaded, I swear
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<peeeeeet>
Gadi: :) Yes iam ok but what can i do run my xserver without option vesa
08:44* Gadi translates.... So far, the only way you can get video output is to use the vesa driver because the opensource openchrome driver is not working
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<peeeeeet>
:(
08:44
noway?
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<Gadi>
I didnt say that
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I am trying to understand the problem
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:)
08:45
describe your video environment
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asre you using dvi? widescreen?
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which VIA chipset?
08:45
which distro?
08:46* Gadi is like a doctor - I need to take the history
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<peeeeeet>
i useing dvi 20 " widescreen on debian
08:46
via chipset :
08:47
VIA Techn. Inc CN700/P4M800 PRO/P4M800 CE/VN800 S3 Unichrome Pro rev01
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Gadi>
peeeeeet: openchrome has issues with dvi
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I recommend getting the proprietary driver
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from
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http://linux.via.com.tw/support/downloadFiles.action
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and install it in the chroot
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<kdegel>
Gadi: thanks as always, I'm not sure what I was doing wrong before, probably just a mis-type
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<peeeeeet>
Gadi: ok i try
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<Gadi>
!s
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<ltspbot>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<peeeeeet>
Gadi: which product i should select there are for example CN700 Unichrome pro p4m800/ce/pro unichrome they are all matching with my graphic card
09:02
Gadi: i dont know how to install the downloaded driver
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<jammcq>
good morning friends
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<alkisg>
Hi jammcq... hey I'm curious, will all of ltsp.org be transferred to the sf site?
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<jammcq>
alkisg: yep
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<alkisg>
jammcq: maintainance reasons?
10:29
What about pastebot.ltsp.org?
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<jammcq>
hmm, dunno about the pastebot. I can't run that on the sf server
10:30
the old server that hosted ltsp.org is dead
10:30
so maybe scotty will host the pastebot
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<alkisg>
OK, thanks... google sites may also be of help, they support free domain hosting
10:31
I.e. you can put ltsp.org in a google site, and have wiki, google docs and all
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<jammcq>
yeah, they do, but there's funny rules, if you aren't a real "non profit" organization
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<alkisg>
Ouch
10:31
I thought they were more "free" than sf
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<jammcq>
sourceforge has gotten way better than it used to be
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and I know many of the sf developers
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<alkisg>
Yeah the new wiki and forum services are fine
10:34
jammcq: you may want to consider opening the forums.. I think they'd be useful! :)
10:34
<jammcq>
yeah, I should look at that
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<sbalneav>
Is the pastebot down?
10:36
yeah
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: yeah, it was hosted here in my office. when the server die, it took the pastebot with it
10:37
<kbelecke>
alkisg: can you say me how i can mount an usb stick on a thinclient Option Localdev in lts.conf is = True
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<alkisg>
kbelecke: you shouldn't have to do anything for usb sticks to work
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<kbelecke>
but when i put the usb stick into the usb port there is no mounted usb stick
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<kdegel>
sbalneav: have you ever looked at removing the 'switch user' dialog from LTSP?
10:55
its not a function at all
10:56
when you choose the 'quit' button on the thin client, it asks for you to log off, lock screen, and switch user
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<alkisg>
kdegel: it was there in jaunty, it broke in karmic
10:56
There's a bug in launchpad for that
10:57
kbelecke: there's a troubleshooting process for usb sticks, but right now I don't have the time to help you with it...
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<kbelecke>
alkisg: sorry you are right it works -.- :)
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<alkisg>
:)
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<sbalneav>
kdegel: No, since it's not an ltsp thing
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<kdegel>
ahh true
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alkisg: I'm on hardy
11:02
right now
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<alkisg>
sbalneav: they had a patch for that in jaunty
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(from ltsp, for fast-user-switch-applet)
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<kdegel>
sbalneav: I'm looking now how I can remove those options, our users aren't that smart haha
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<johnny>
it'd be nice to make it work..
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<alkisg>
But now in Karmic it doesn't work anymore, since indicator-applet is used instead of fusa
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<johnny>
technically it could work.. if we handle the proper dbus stuff i think..
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<sbalneav>
I think the entire concept of fast user switch is so incredibly stupid.
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<johnny>
how so?
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<sbalneav>
log out
11:03
log in
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<johnny>
what if you want to leave some programs running?
11:03
<sbalneav>
I don't
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<alkisg>
I do :)
11:04
<johnny>
you don't yes
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<sbalneav>
good
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<johnny>
but the point is the people who do :)
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<sbalneav>
then you fix the bug
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<alkisg>
Heh :)
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<sbalneav>
I've got, like 0 interest in it.
11:04
<alkisg>
I knew he had me somewhere... :D
11:04
<sbalneav>
I always do :)
11:05
"Not My Itch" :)
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<alkisg>
I guess your wife never wants to do something quick in your laptop, eh?
11:05
<sbalneav>
$600 solved that problem. She'd got her own :)
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<alkisg>
Sure, I also got one for my wife, but she insists on feeding our smaller kid in my laptop!
11:06
(it's closer to the kitchen :))
11:06
(and can do flash better)
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<dro>
alkisg: do what I do in that situation, make your password super hard to type like C0ntr0l.!^ and make her type it each time, and lock your laptop when you're done, she'll quit using it lol
11:16
i do however like the idea of fast user switching
11:17
at work, i setup users for different roles. An example of that is I have a software user. That account holds all the software licenses that we've bought.
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<johnny>
anybody use exim for mail?
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<sbalneav>
johnny: used to, switched to postfix
11:20
But I think I even have an exim book somewhere
11:21
johnny: Want an exim book?
11:21
<johnny>
no
11:21
i just want to know what this log entry means
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<sbalneav>
shoot
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<johnny>
009-11-19 00:08:22 1NAzFi-0003JO-Dn ** someaddy@example.org <anotheraddy@example.org> R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp: SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host mx1.seidata.com [206.162.192.101]: 550 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin
11:22* sbalneav grabs his notes
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<johnny>
i can't tell where that error came from :)
11:22
that is the error their server is sending me?
11:22
<sbalneav>
yeah
11:22
<johnny>
ok.. problem tracked down
11:22
thanks
11:22
<sbalneav>
their remote server blocked yours.
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<kdegel>
so the man pages says that gnome-session-save --kill --silent will work for loggin off, which it does...just be better if there was a way to confirm it
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<kbelecke>
:( the xserver start with versa is sooo slow
11:55
vesa
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<ftherese>
italc installed in the thin client following the instructions at ubuntu community docs causes a nbd9 failure at the end of boot seq in the thin client
12:52
I tried copying the keys from the servers /etc/italc/keys
12:52
that still didn't work
12:52
I had it successfully installed on three other servers, but I tried to rebuild the thin client on the fourth from scratch
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and anytime I add italc-client to the thin client chroot it can no longer boot
12:53
completely
12:53
removing italc-client and updating the image causes it to work again
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<johnny>
aren't you not supposed to add it to the client at all?
12:53
alkisg, ?
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<ftherese>
that isn't what the documentation says
12:54
plus, it is installed on the others
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<alkisg>
I tried to advice ftherese about this before, but I got no answer, so I gave up
12:54
<ftherese>
I must have gotten disconnected
12:54
<alkisg>
Well.... why do you want to install italc to the chroot?
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<ftherese>
because that is what the directions say... install italc-client in the chroot
12:55
<alkisg>
OK, then just ignore this particular wiki page
12:55
If you don't have specific reasons to install it to the chroot, then you really shouldn't.
12:56
<ftherese>
so it works automatically with the lts.conf setting?
12:56
and why don't my other thin client images have the same problem?
12:56
they have it installed
12:56
<alkisg>
No lts.conf setting is needed
12:57
You just install italc-master, and nothing else. Nothing. At all.
12:57
<ftherese>
ok... I will request ubuntu community docs to remove that documentation page then
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<alkisg>
ftherese: no, better try reading it again
12:58
It says "There are two methods of installation - Server-side and in the thin-client chroot. Server-side has the advantage of being simpler to setup and uses less RAM on the thin client. Installation in the thin-client chroot allows for control of clients prior to login; server-side does not."
12:58
There *are* reasons to install it to the chroot. But you should only do that if you have those reasons
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<ftherese>
I apologize for being dense... thank you for answering my question... I would still like to know why it works on my other ltsp thin clients though
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<alkisg>
That would need troubleshooting
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<ftherese>
and why it doesn't work after following the instructions... unless I missed a step...
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<alkisg>
It's possible that the instructions have problems
13:01
I've never followed them
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<ftherese>
have there been any changes in the past few months?
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<alkisg>
I think Blinny was the main author of that page, after I walked him through the installation...
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<alkisg>
But I never even read the whole thing
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<ftherese>
ok... if I need more control over the clients I will come back then
13:04
thank you again
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<alkisg>
The difference is in the login screen
13:04
E.g. with a local italc, you could reboot or shutdown the clients, while they're sitting on ldm
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(i'm not sure if that actually works, though)
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<ftherese>
so if all of the thin clients automatically log in
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this would not be an issue
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<alkisg>
Other than than, when the users do login, using a "server" italc actually uses less bandwidth
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...and it's much easier to administer
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<ftherese>
ok
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<alkisg>
ftherese: think about it, make your desicion, and if you still need troubleshooting, ping me :)
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<alkisg>
I'm making an ubuntu remix with live ltsp on it, what's the correct phrase? "Ubuntu Education Remix" or "Ubuntu Educational Remix"?
14:21
<Gadi>
the first
14:21
and you can call it UbER
14:21
;)
14:21
<alkisg>
Danke :)
14:21
I'm thinking "ruler"
14:21
Ruler is Ubuntu Ltsp Educational Remix :P
14:21
*education
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<Gadi>
cute
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<alkisg>
Hmmm 994 Mb, not bad, considering it has the whole chroot and image and wine and other stuff...
14:26
<Gadi>
alkisg: if you ship just the image without the chroot, you can save a lot of space
14:26
and fit it on a CD
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<johnny>
hmm..
14:26
<alkisg>
Nah squashfs removes all the duplicate files
14:26
And the chroot is mostly duplicate files of /
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So it'd be better if I removed the image, and used nfs, or even if I generated the image on the fly
14:27
<johnny>
so.. who wants to fund a developer to fix win to use global location for apps :)
14:27
wine*
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<alkisg>
Ah, you got me worried :)
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<Gadi>
johnny: a bit of WINEPREFIX and unionfs magic should help with that
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<alkisg>
I thought you were thinking about creating a repository for windows apps :P :D
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<johnny>
no.. i mean for real Gadi
14:28
c'mon
14:28
tha'ts not a real solution
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<alkisg>
johnny: would the upstream devs accept such a patch?
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<johnny>
question is.. why wouldn't they
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<alkisg>
Aren't they making money by selling this?
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<johnny>
wine?
14:29
or do you mean crossover
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<alkisg>
Yeah I think that's the name...
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<johnny>
if that was the case
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<alkisg>
Doesn't crossover over this?
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<johnny>
then i bet the distros would package this patch
14:29
even if wine doesn't
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<Gadi>
johnny: how are you gonna have multiple apps writing to the same drive_c without stepping over each other?
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<johnny>
uhmm.. the same way it works on windows?
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<Gadi>
on windows, they call it terminal services ;)
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<johnny>
obviously the home directcory would be the same ~/.wine
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<Gadi>
or remote desktop services now
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<johnny>
~/ is the same as Documents and Settings/suer
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<alkisg>
A common system.reg, C:\Windows, and C:\Program files should suffice for most of the cases...
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<johnny>
exactly
14:30
just point them at /opt/wine/
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<alkisg>
But you'd also need an "administrator" user, with write access there
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<johnny>
it's called root
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lol
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<alkisg>
You'd force them to setup wine apps as root?
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<johnny>
if not.. install them locally
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like is done now
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right?
14:33
/me fails to see how this seems difficult
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am i missing something
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<alkisg>
root usually doesn't have a gui...
14:34
But with sudo it should be ok
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<johnny>
yes..
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or gksudo
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whatever
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<alkisg>
I was thinking to do something similar, but with symlinks
14:37
e.g. /root/.wine/drive_c/windows would be a symlink to /opt/wine/drive_c/windows
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<johnny>
but then you couldn't install apps either locally or remotely
14:37
you really need to have a search path
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<alkisg>
And ~/.wine/drive_c/windows would also be a symlink there (read only folder of course)
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<Gadi>
alkisg: ++
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<alkisg>
And ~/.wine/userdef.reg would NOT be a symlink, so that each user had his own settings
14:38
but ~/.wine/system.reg would be a symlink to /opt/wine/system.reg
14:39
That would need only patching to the wine-prefix-installer what's-its-name
14:39
The problem is, system.reg is being written as a regular file after wine exits
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(the symlinking is broken)
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OK, somehow that could be worked around
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<alkisg>
I actually tried that manually, and it seemed to work fine
14:43
Heh, live ltsp, plug 'n' play!!! dnsmasq rocks! :)
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<alkisg>
!paste
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "paste" is try !pastebot
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<alkisg>
!pastebin
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "pastebin" is try !pastebot
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<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<alkisg>
(I hope noone minds...)
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!forget pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!learn pastebot as The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
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<alkisg>
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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<chrisinajar>
pastebot++
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<johnny>
how can i force remove everything in /media on the server
15:52
the directories are all mixed up
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<alkisg>
? you mean like umount -lf, or like rm -rf?
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<johnny>
rm -rf
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<sbalneav>
rm -rf / media <-- JOKE DO NOT DO THIS!!
16:03* sbalneav rebuilds cups-1.4.1 for the umpteenth time today.
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<sbalneav>
thank heavens for gpg-agent.
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<scottmaccal>
sbalneav: Do you mind if I write you an email with some questions? I remember you telling me I could ask you anything at LTSP by the sea ;-)
17:37
I know you are wicked busy too.
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<Lns>
sbalneav: you rock w/the fixing on cups. Cheers to you
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been following the bug
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