IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 9 December 2015   (all times are UTC)

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06:20
<alkisg>
!pass
06:20
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'pass', but I do know about these similar topics: 'fat-passwd', 'bypass_acceleration', 'ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH', 'LDM_PASSWORD_HASH'
06:20
<alkisg>
!ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH
06:20
<ltsp`>
ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH: to be able to login as root in vt1, with password "qwer1234", put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_01="sed 's!^root:[^:]*:!root:$6$p2LdWE6j$PDd1TUzGvvIkj9SE8wbw1gA/MD66tHHlStqi1.qyv860oK47UnKcafSKqGp7cbgZUPlgyPv6giCVyCSCdJt1b0:!' -i /etc/shadow"
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07:48
<highvoltage>
I hear Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie are making the LTSP film. I wonder who's playing Jim and who's playing Scott.
07:48
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35047735#sa-ns_mchannel%3Drss%26ns_source%3DPublicRSS20-sa
07:49
(except that BBC seems to think "By the Sea" is about marriage not ltsp, bah)
07:49
<alkisg>
Haha
07:49
<gehidore>
heheh
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17:05
<sbalneav>
If Jonah Hill grew a moustach, he could probably play me.
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17:31
<m3741>
what's up chan? is there a preferred method of forcibly rebooting a thin client?
17:35
<work_alkisg>
Hi, in which case? Forcibly as in reboot -fp?
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17:47
<m3741>
sorry, by forcibly i meant not via automatic means. i issue a command and it reboots type of thing
17:47
vice asking a user to do it
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18:44
<alkisg>
m3741: what's wrong with using the menus for reboot and shutdown?
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18:57
<xdrazen>
HI!
18:57
<alkisg>
Hello
18:57
<xdrazen>
how are you?
18:57
i need help. PLS!
18:57
<alkisg>
!ask
18:57
<ltsp`>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
18:57
<xdrazen>
i am stuck with ltsp
18:57
i tried to use it with edubuntu
18:58
but the client (a pentium 2) just have a black screen and anything else happen
18:58
<alkisg>
Do other clients work?
18:58
<xdrazen>
i tried to boot from a i3 pc and a i3 laptop, it was sucessfully
18:59
as i said, some "i3" works
18:59
<alkisg>
How much RAM does the p2 have, and what graphics card?
18:59
<xdrazen>
about that p2, it has kinda 96mb ram
19:00
i tried to boot it with "puppy linux" and that worked
19:00
<alkisg>
It's too low, 128 mb is the minimum and it's barely usable then
19:00
<xdrazen>
mmm, i need to explain a bit
19:00
<alkisg>
Which graphics card, which edubuntu version (e.g. 14.04), and which desktop environment (e.g. unity)?
19:00
<xdrazen>
i have 9 pc pentium pro and p2
19:01
some of them has the 128mb that it is needed
19:01
edubuntu 14.04.3 lts gnome
19:02
the "server" right now is an hp laptop. AMD e1 processor.
19:02
<alkisg>
Which graphics card do the clients have? Like, s3 virge etc?
19:04
<xdrazen>
that is kinda hard to know. i really do not know about what graphic card i have with those clients
19:04
what happens is that those i3 works
19:05
the p2 only works with "gpxe"
19:05
<alkisg>
And the clients boot, you see the ubuntu logo, and then you see a black screen?
19:06
<xdrazen>
YES!
19:06
the last thing that i see is
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19:06
<xdrazen>
"saned disabled, edit ///"
19:06
<alkisg>
!quiet
19:06
<ltsp`>
quiet: to enable the Debian kernel and initramfs to show up more messages, in order to better troubleshoot the boot process, remove "quiet" from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default
19:06
<alkisg>
!quiet-splash
19:06
<ltsp`>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and remove quiet splash plymouth:force-splash vt.handoff=7
19:07
<alkisg>
Do what the bot says about quiet-splash ^
19:07
!screen_02
19:07
<ltsp`>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
19:07
<alkisg>
And, put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf
19:07
<xdrazen>
i tried all of that
19:07
<alkisg>
That way you'll get a shell on the client to troubleshoot the graphics issues, to see the graphics card etc
19:07
Do you have a shell now?
19:07
<xdrazen>
not even can do that
19:08
AGAIN, the last thing that i can see is "saned disabled", and then all "stops"
19:08
<alkisg>
If you put SCREEN_02=shell in lts.conf, do you get a shell in the i3 clients?
19:08
<xdrazen>
i can ctrl alt supr in the client and it reboots
19:08
i have not tried that with the i3, in those i3 the login and all that stuf worked nice
19:09
<alkisg>
I want to see if your clients read lts.conf or not
19:09
<xdrazen>
**BTW! i really do not care what will be
19:09
<alkisg>
Can you try it now?
19:09
<xdrazen>
**distro will use
19:09
<alkisg>
Your distro is fine, you might want to update ltsp when you solve the graphics issues later on
19:10
Try putting the following in lts.conf:
19:10
[Default]
19:10
<xdrazen>
i would love it, i am on a "mobile 3g" internet conection, and edubuntu was wiped, i installed debian now
19:10
<alkisg>
SCREEN_02=shell
19:10
SCREEN_07=ldm
19:10
XSERVER=vesa
19:10
Then boot a p2 client and an i3 client
19:10
And tell me if you got a shell in them
19:11
<xdrazen>
**another issue, in the "pentium pro" trying to boot it can have the image, but eventually i guess tat i have "kernel panic"
19:12
**I will, right now i am very ocupied "cleaning" this place.
19:12
i came here, because i tried to use the irc client kinda 2am, and this channel was empty
19:12
<alkisg>
xdrazen: you say "I have a problem, I'm using edubuntu, only I wiped it, and now I'm busy and I can't troubleshoot"
19:12
We can't help you that way, come back when you are ready
19:13
<xdrazen>
i understand that. sorry for this
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19:13
<xdrazen>
i mean "ocupied" kinda i only have the e1 laptop now
19:15
another thing very "strange" is that when those i3 boots, they only has a "385mb" image, but when the p2 boots, it has a "negotiation" and finally i guess that it loads a 512mb image
19:16
<alkisg>
The 512 mb image is the nbd swap
19:19
<xdrazen>
Well, alksig, again, sorry for be "that" upset. I tried to use that in ubuntu, and when i was looking for more info, that black screen was saw a lot of times, tried about that of the shell, but it did not work
19:19
<alkisg>
Maybe you had a syntax error or you put it in the wrong place
19:20
<xdrazen>
Actually i am booting those pp(pentium pro) and p2 with puppy linux". And they work GREAT
19:21
then i wonder if i could make the ltsp with that puppy linux
19:21
<alkisg>
Which kernel, xorg and DE does it have? Recent ones or 10 year old ones?
19:22
<xdrazen>
Again, i feel really sorry, i wiped the edubuntu and tried to use k12, opensuse (11.4 which is actually outdated), and now looking for debian. Or even gentoo, i really do not care what distro could make the work
19:22
let me see, booting the p2
19:23
<alkisg>
The problem isn't the distro, is how recent the programs are
19:23
Recent programs need a lot of ram, older programs need less ram
19:23
So if e.g. you open firefox and it needs 500 mb ram, it doesn't matter at all which distro you use
19:25
<xdrazen>
i get it
19:25
<alkisg>
ubuntu and debian are fine for your clients, but you need to tune them a bit in lts.conf
19:25
<xdrazen>
well i am booting the pentium pro woth 96mb ram
19:25
<alkisg>
I've booted p2 with 48 mb ram with ltsp + ubuntu or debian
19:26
<xdrazen>
then, it really does not matter?
19:27
just wonder. I read about that ltsp stop working in ubuntu 10++
19:27
<alkisg>
Where did you read that?
19:27
<xdrazen>
and they got a 8.04 working great
19:27
ubuntu forums
19:27
<alkisg>
It's working even in 16.04
19:27
Tell them they're wrong :)
19:28
<xdrazen>
^^
19:29
well, then i need a "FAQ" i already read the ltsp documentation
19:30
<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
19:30
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
19:30
<xdrazen>
1 with LTSP, the distro that i have in the server, and all those program will be the same than the clients will see. Or could i use ubuntu and that the clients could boot dsl or puppy linux
19:30
<alkisg>
Follow that page with Ubuntu 12.04 because of your client graphics cards
19:30
Or 14.04 if you plan to upgrade them
19:32
<xdrazen>
cannot upgrade them, kinda now i cannot find any graphic card for them
19:32
<alkisg>
12.04.1 is the last version that supports XAA graphics drivers
19:33
Check the graphics cards first
19:33
Now with puppy, run: lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
19:33
And paste the result here
19:33
<xdrazen>
right now, i am using "wary puppy 5.5" in those p2 pp
19:33
kk, it is loading
19:33
i could even use debian, as i said, i do not care.Waith me pls
19:39
**the video card in included in the mobo
19:43
<alkisg>
The output of the command?
19:45
<xdrazen>
i am on it
19:45
what sign is the "l" toghether to grep?
19:45
i mean that vertical
19:46
<gehidore>
pipe
19:46
<alkisg>
It's the \ with a shift
19:46
<xdrazen>
GOT IT
19:47
mm it said -nn command not found
19:47
again
19:48
it is done, kinda 6 lines
19:49
cannot copy and paste, it is on another pc
19:50
well the last 4 lanes are about the ethernet, wich is realtek, etc.
19:51
00:08.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: S3 inc.86c375 [ViRGE/DX] or 86c385 [ViRGE/gx] [5333:8a01] (rev 01)
19:52
the other lanes are of the realtek ethernet controller
19:52
<alkisg>
Hehe, see above what I said about s3 virge :)
19:52
So yup, install with the 12.04.1 cd and follow the ltsp-pnp page
19:53
Use the newest 12.04.5 kernel but the older 12.04.1 graphics stack
19:53
So that both the i3 and the older ones are supported from the same image
19:53
<xdrazen>
kinda that i need the 12.04 graphics drives, right?
19:54
edubuntu 12.04? or only ubuntu?
19:54
Thanks a lot ^^
19:55
i do not have a good internet conection, then would be better a ubuntu install and then "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" right?
19:55
<alkisg>
Use this cd to install: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso
19:55
The ltsp-pnp method does not need a chroot
19:56
So you don't need to download again .deb packages etc
19:56
But if you start with 12.04.1, you need 500 mb updates :D
19:56
You can also start with 12.04.5 and downgrade to the older kernel, but it's difficult
19:58
<xdrazen>
no, i do not care about that update. it is not so expensive in the night
19:59
^^ i will in the night, now is very hard to download
20:00
about it, again, it is better to download ubuntu or edubuntu? and about the gui, would be better the xfce lxde gnome unity kde?¿
20:00
<alkisg>
That iso ^ is ubuntu, it's fine
20:00
You can use gnome-flashback there, it works OK
20:04
<xdrazen>
then, again "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" right?
20:04
<alkisg>
No, read the wiki page
20:04
Follow the instructions from the wiki
20:04
!ltsp-pnp
20:04
<ltsp`>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
20:05
<xdrazen>
ok, i will. Thanks a lot again, i must got and look for the isp
20:05
<alkisg>
Goodbye
20:06
<xdrazen>
just one las question
20:07
should the clients be formatted for have an swap?
20:07
<alkisg>
It's not necessary, the'll get a swap from the network if they don't have local swap
20:07
Do you have gigabit connection from the server to the switch?
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20:08
<xdrazen>
yes, i have it, kinda:
20:08
the server is gigabit and the swithc is 100mb/gigabit
20:08
<alkisg>
The switch has 1 gigabit port ?
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20:09
<xdrazen>
lf it
20:09
the swtich has 10/100 mbit
20:10
<alkisg>
Then you don't have gigabit
20:10
LTSP will be slow for you
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20:10
<xdrazen>
well, i will do it in the night and try to do exactly what wiki says
20:11
<alkisg>
If you don't have a switch it'll be slow, stick with puppy and forget ltsp
20:11
<xdrazen>
i tried it with those i3 computers
20:11
and they run sweet
20:11
btw
20:12
how could i donate?... i will be back in the night, do what wikis says
20:12
<alkisg>
One computer runs fine, yes. 10, no.
20:12
<xdrazen>
i need a gigabit switch, right?
20:12
<alkisg>
Keep the donation money to buy a switch with at least 1 gigabit port, it costs 50€ :)
20:12
<vagrantc>
doesn't ubuntu 12.04 go out of support in a few months?
20:12
<xdrazen>
^^ tx
20:13
i am not sure
20:13
<alkisg>
Yes, but he has clients that need XAA
20:13
<xdrazen>
lts i guess that it is 5years
20:13
<alkisg>
He'll at least have firefox 42 with it
20:13
<xdrazen>
i read something about the same in debian
20:13
^^ thanks thanks :D!
20:13
see you later, thanks
20:13
<alkisg>
bye
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20:18
<vagrantc>
some people make it really difficult to help them.
20:19* gehidore always does too
20:19
<vagrantc>
"never mind what you asked me to do, let me repeat the thing i've been saying for the 10th time!"
20:19
<alkisg>
:)
20:20
I think we need to pay a visit to the ubuntu forums and tell them that ltsp isn't dead etc...
20:20
unrelated: some recent DEs won't login properly without ldm r1586, for example unity, gnome-flashback etc in ubuntu 16.04
20:21
They'll show a desktop without the menus etc, due to broken XDG_MENU_PREFIX
20:22
It might even affect recent gnome versions on debian, dunno
20:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: is r1586 before or after ldm 2.2.17 ?
20:24
<alkisg>
Yesterday's work
20:24
<vagrantc>
oh!
20:24
<alkisg>
So a new ldm needs to reach 16.04 in order for users to be able to login
20:24
Unfortunately we only have 2 commits after 2.2.17... :D
20:25
<vagrantc>
2 commits that seem of vital importance!
20:25
could either patch them in the packaging, or roll a new upstream version...
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