IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 September 2011   (all times are UTC)

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03:46
<ebzzry>
Is it possible to create a fat client with ltsp-build-client? I'm running Debian Stable, btw.
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03:51
<alkisg>
!fatclients | echo ebzzry
03:51
<ltsp>
ebzzry fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
03:52
<alkisg>
I think Debian doesn't yet have such a plugin, you need to do it manually
03:54
<ebzzry>
alkisg: can you point me the right direction, please?
03:54
<alkisg>
ebzzry: read that wiki page above, then see what the ubuntu plugin does, and do it on debian
03:54
Let me get you the plugin link...
03:55
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/view/head:/server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/030-fat-client
03:57
You can't just execute it, it won't work, you'd need to modify it first. E.g. debian doesn't have an "ubuntu-desktop" package.
03:58
<ebzzry>
alkisg: OK. Thanks. I'll see what I can do.
03:59
Does anyone know if someone has successfully done this before?
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<muppis>
Hyperbyte, I know Lidl imports from Germany. At first here in Finland they had only German origin products, but people didn't like them. Now almost all meat and milk products are locals, everything else is still imported.
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07:39
<Hyperbyte>
muppis, ahh...
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08:15
<andygraybeal>
morning hyper
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08:30
<Hyperbyte>
Morning!
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08:55
<andygraybeal>
:)
08:56
#zentyal keeps talking about this project :) i know i've said it before
08:56
http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,7995.0.html <--- here's the topic too
08:56
in the forum
08:57
i would love to see zentyal and ltsp married :)
08:57
or maybe married is the wrong word
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09:42
<Hyperbyte>
What is it?
10:09
<andygraybeal>
zentyal is trying to compete with microsoft's small business server
10:09
to some degree.
10:10
they are considering a solid desktop with as little maint as possible
10:20
<Hyperbyte>
Interesting
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<jason>
:( no vagrantc
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12:11
<Guest71553>
I know I asked before, but has anybody in here tinkered with using powerPC macs as clients on LTSP?
12:12
<Hyperbyte>
Yes, many people have
12:13
<Guest71553>
nice. Is there a certain trick to getting things running?
12:13
Or is it standard procedure?
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<alkisg>
Guest71553: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
12:19
Something like that
12:21
To save some ram on the live cd, append "text" in the kernel parametes, otherwise I'm not sure that 256MB RAM will suffice for it
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12:26
<alkisg>
Hi dgroos
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12:26
<dgroos>
Howdy alkisg
12:27
<alkisg>
How are you?
12:27
We're almost ready to make a 0.1 release for panoptes, the new computer lab administration tool
12:27
<dgroos>
A bit under the weather but good :). And you?
12:27
Cool!
12:27
<alkisg>
If you'd have some free time to proof-read our lame english captions, it'd be great
12:28
<dgroos>
Make sure you have a wikipedia page that has the pronunciation of panoplies!
12:28
<alkisg>
It can be installed simultaneously with sch-scripts, if you want to use the school server
12:28
Hehe
12:28
<dgroos>
lame, yea right!
12:29
For sure :)
12:29
<alkisg>
We put the text on launchpad, if you have an account there you could also do it there
12:29
Or you could just look at the UI, it's probably simpler
12:29
The problem is that if we write something wrong, and people translate it, and we then correct it, all the translations will need to be changed too :(
12:29
<dgroos>
UI would get me to try it as well...
12:30
Well, I can do whatever, just let me know what works best for you.
12:30
<alkisg>
Whenever you're ready, today, some other day, ping me to give you a .deb + instructions
12:30
It's much easier to setup that sch-scripts, no big dependencies
12:30
And it doesn't even require ltsp
12:31
*than
12:31
<dgroos>
I can do it later this AM--in a few hours.
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<dgroos>
I'm excited to check it out!
12:32
<alkisg>
Nice - I'll have a .deb ready
12:32
It doesn't even need sudo to run anymore ;)
12:32
<dgroos>
:)
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12:35
<dgroos>
On a semi-related note, is it possible to get ltsp to load over the web? In other words, can I get a client to boot at my house in an Xtem I guess, using the school's server? It's OK if it's s-l-o-w.
12:35
<Hyperbyte>
dgroos, it'll be sssss-lllll-ooooo-wwwwww.
12:35
<khildin>
use NX to speed things up...
12:35
<Hyperbyte>
Remote X is uncompressed.
12:35
<alkisg>
!freenx
12:35
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "freenx" is not a valid command.
12:36
<alkisg>
!nx
12:36
<ltsp>
alkisg: nx: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/WorkInProgress#NX or http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/FreeNX
12:36
<alkisg>
Hm. Nah, not really, those are too old
12:36
<Hyperbyte>
dgroos, what you really want, is what alkisg is suggesting, and that's FreeNX. But it won't actually 'boot' your machine at home, you'll have to boot some OS that can launch the FreeNX client and connect to your LTSP server
12:36
<dgroos>
I do have openNX access already to the server.
12:37
<alkisg>
Why would you want ltsp (and not just an NX connection) over the web?
12:37
<dgroos>
What I want to see is how the menu's load on a fat client. I'm trying to remove some menu items and need to test it.
12:38
<alkisg>
You can use nx to connect, and then vbox to load a fake fat client
12:38
It'll be much faster
12:38
<dgroos>
OK...
12:39
xbox is like busybox I'd guess? I did use that one time...
12:39
<alkisg>
vbox == virtualbox
12:39
<Hyperbyte>
xbox is a gaming system from Microsoft.
12:39
<alkisg>
Something like vmware if you heard it
12:39
http://www.virtualbox.org/
12:39
<dgroos>
*vbox :)
12:39
<Hyperbyte>
;-)
12:41
<dgroos>
I load virtualbox?
12:41
<alkisg>
Yes, download it from there and install it in your ltsp server
12:41
Then download and install the extensions from the same page
12:42
Then create a client, give it e.g. 512 MB RAM so that it's a fat client, and go to its system settings, and select network boot first
12:42
<Hyperbyte>
Basically you'll be booting a virtual thin client inside a virtual machine on a virtual desktop running on an LTSP server. =)
12:42
<alkisg>
When prompted to create a virtual hard disk for the client, select no.
12:44
<dgroos>
Great! I'll give this a go after I look at some Eglaish translitionz later this monring. ;)
12:44
Thanks Hyperbyte and alkisg
12:48
<khildin>
VDI on an LTSP box... ^^
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<manU>
hi everybody
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<Guest87784>
i have a tftp timeout error
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i sse why :: when i service tftpd-hpa restart i have
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tftpd-hpa disabled in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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but my conf file is ok
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http://pastebin.com/5wy0Gbjn
13:10
any idea ?
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<alkisg>
!tftp
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<ltsp>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
13:24
<alkisg>
Guest87784: ^
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<txor>
Hello! I was using a older version of LTSP 5 and I had changed the branding of LDM, but now with the last version I don't see the two .png that I cahanged, can you tell me the way to change LDM branding now? I have to use LDM themes? Thanks in advance.
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<dgroos>
ping alkisg
15:34
<alkisg>
hey dgroos
15:34
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/panoptes/
15:34
Double click on both of them
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<dgroos>
Will now access this via nx on the server...
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<dgroos>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~alkisg/panoptes/
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<txor>
Hello! How I can change the LDM branding? Thanks.
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<alkisg>
dgroos: i'll be offline for a while, but you can also notify phantomas in #linux.sch.gr for grammar errors if you want. Thanks :)
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<vagrantc>
txor: copy an existing theme from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/ to /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ldm/themes/YOURTHEME and set LDM_THEME=YOURTHEME in lts.conf
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<vagrantc>
if you're using NBD (default on ubuntu), you'll need to run ltsp-update-image after every change to your theme
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<txor>
I found the solution at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI-LTSP_tips_and_tricks#Changing_LDM_theme, is not a new theme but only an ovrwrite of two images... Thanks anyway!
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<vagrantc>
txor: you're using opensuse?
16:28
those instructions are definitely specific to opensuse.
16:31
<ichat>
could any one get me some pointers: what i would like to achieve is boot a client check the installed chroot, against an nfs export of one, if a match boot it if not download the one from the server an continue booting
16:32
this local boot would be on an ide flash card
16:34
<txor>
Ops! Yes I'm using openSUSE, I forgot to mention it... :s
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<vagrantc>
with opensuse, all bets are off. they don't kiwi-ltsp is an ltsp-like environment that uses some ltsp software, but pretty much does almost everything differently
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<Nubae>
vagrantc, opensuse-kiwi-ltsp really isnt so bad...
17:15
It actually has some thiings I would call improvememts
17:15
at the risk of spreading a flamewar
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though debian and ubuntu are certainly better in terms of their track record
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btw.... I've been asked to setup/repair a 80 terminal system
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<Nubae>
most immediate problem I see is they have wirelesss routers sticking out of the wired patch panels
17:18
sigh
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its not the first time I've told them to stay away from wireless and probablywont be the last
17:20
I really wish we could have an easily resolvable problem to this
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<ichat>
Nubae - pxe over wifi?
17:22
not even i am stupid enought to try and make that work
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<Nubae>
jejeje, I didn't know pxe over wifi even worked?
17:25
my idea was morea along the lines of wirelss point to wireless point which contains network swtiches (probably with pxe)
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since its just 5-10 computers that need this, we could probably use this model
17:26
no?
17:27
<ichat>
at the risk of to mutch latency ... yes.. it might be
17:27
ive seen it once, - but than again im a complete newb to ltps
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<Nubae>
latency schmatenchy, its a school, kids dont exactly treat the computers as they should be treated
17:28
WEll, I'dve done it once, but just with 4 computers
17:28
<ichat>
ive been using that other operating system with termial services, and with remote booting but not with ltsp
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<Nubae>
so... will be a nice test run
17:29
u mean drbl?
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<ichat>
Nubae - NO i was refering to that non linux os out there... the one providing ma an unbearable agany each and every working day
17:51
<Nubae>
oh no, dont even mention the word
17:52
<ichat>
its better than no job at all - but not by a long shot
17:59
<Hyperbyte>
Heh
18:00
I find that each OS or computer, no matter where I go, provides me agony each and every working day.
18:05
<ichat>
Hyperbyte - hmmmz i guess you could argue that, and i might even have to agree, BUT to some extend one os provides more of it than others
18:06
<Hyperbyte>
ichat, it all depends on what you use the OS for.
18:06
I use Windows for two things. Gaming and audio editing.
18:06
Works great, never have any problems.
18:07
I use Linux for every day work, and every day I'll run into something which annoys me. ;-)
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: i'm not saying that kiwi-ltsp is a bad thing, it's just difficult to support because everything is done so differently from other distros.
18:29
difficult to support for people familiar with ltsp but not the specifics of kiwi-ltsp
18:30
as often as not, the upstream recommended way of doing something is done completely differently with kiwi-ltsp ... this is not inherrently wrong or bad, and like you say, some of it might even be improvements
18:31
but it's also done in a way with little to no hope of merging those improvements upstream.
18:31
and that is unfortunate.
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<Nubae>
yep, uoure write, but done thiink they currently think that far ahead
18:33
what dey got, is what dey gommas use
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<vagrantc>
suppose not
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<Nubae>
on anohter note, whats been brewing in that brain of yourse#?
18:45
Last hink I heard you were expanding facilities or something
18:49
<vagrantc>
just been keeping pace with the relatively slow developments in LTSP, and picking up a few more debian packages to maintain, really.
18:52
Nubae: i've largely been getting increasingly interested in the rather broken Certificate Authority system, and worked on packaging perspectives and convergence for debian as hopeful alternatives ... though my heart is with monkeysphere.
18:56
<ichat>
vagrantc - isn't any thing releated to 'mutual trust' relatively broken
18:57
by design i mean
19:00
<vagrantc>
ichat: there are degrees of broken
19:00
having a completely violated trust result in no action because the consequences are too large is problematic
19:01
any not being able to limit your trust by scope is also problematic
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<Nubae>
monkeyshpre? tell me more
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<Nubae>
I mean how much of this is theioretical textboox writing stuff an dhow mcuh engineering?
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19:18* Nubae hopes he hasnt opened bottle of worms
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: http://web.monkeysphere.info
19:39
Nubae: there have been numerous recent targeted attacks on CAs which may have already resulted in compromised information
19:42
it's a "strongest as the weakest link in the chain" model, and some chains have proven rather weak.
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20:17
<_UsUrPeR_>
Hyperbyte: ping?
20:23
<Nubae>
last comment perplexed me a bit vagrantc
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<dgroos>
mgariepy: help w/edubuntu menu-editor?
20:51
Trying to make a profile work for all users for fat clients
20:52
Mainly wondering how to edit the /etc/desktop-profiles/group-profile.listing.
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or, do I edit /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/profile/share and /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/profile/xdg?
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<vagrantc>
Nubae: the CA certificate auuthority system is as weak as the most unreliable CA that is trusted by your web browser (or other application)
21:04* vagrantc rummages around for a link
21:05
<vagrantc>
a pretty good talk on the matter is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Wl2FW2TcA
21:05* vagrantc wonders how vagrantc got so off topic :)
21:05
<mgariepy>
dgroos, can you pastebin your file ?
21:06
file: /etc/desktop-profiles/group-profile.listing
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<dgroos>
Sure!
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<dgroos1>
http://pastebin.com/CysTan49
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<mgariepy>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/697507/
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<dgroos1>
OK, remove the group name.
21:11
<mgariepy>
the 5th field the line is either a group, ! group or $(<command>) or nothing.
21:12
<dgroos1>
OK
21:12
Now I move 'everything' to the chroot?
21:12
update the image and... it should work?
21:13
<mgariepy>
i guess so
21:13
i tough you tried that last week
21:13
<dgroos1>
I've got a client booting on the server in a virtualbox via NX from my house. Very virtual.
21:14
Yea, and I don't think I move 'everything'--I'll try that now.
21:14
<mgariepy>
virtualization can be nice :) and nx is nice too.
21:15
the tar for the menu should be extracted as well in the directory /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/mrgg/
21:15
in your chroot
21:15
but i guess you did that already.
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<dgroos>
No, but will now.
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<mgariepy>
ok
21:17
hehe
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<mgariepy>
once you are logged you should have 2 environment variable containing the path /etc/edubuntu-menueditor/mrgg, XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
21:28
dgroos, i'll be back tomorrow.
21:29
<dgroos>
Thanks mgariepy I'll let you know!
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