IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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01:07
<bennabiy>
alkisg or vagrantc: did we determine it was fine to pass and remember the variables in commandline, for the sake of parsing them later? If we need, I could make a file which is the last commandline option before passing on to configure, which would remember and know all commandline options and be able to pick up the ones we need.
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11:33
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ping pong?
11:43
<Hyperbyte>
Hi Alkis!
11:43
<alkisg>
Hey. Do you remember why we selected gribble for the ltsp bot?
11:43
Was it for compatibility with the older IRC logs?
11:44
I'm trying to decide which bot to use for #ts.sch.gr...
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: also, do you mind if we clone your irclogs code for #ts.sch.gr?
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12:00
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, no, I don't mind
12:01
And we chose Gribble because it supported pysql3 I believe
12:16
<alkisg>
...and the old logs were in sqlite3, I think, yeah...
12:17
<Hyperbyte>
sqlite, right, not pysql
12:17
And it wasn't just about old logs.
12:17
Also the new ones...
12:17
supybot didn't support sqlite3, only sqlite3
12:17
gribble supported sqlite3
12:17
We actually converted the old logs from sqlite2 to sqlite3
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It was the newer python version on our server(s) that didn't support sqlite2
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13:02
<bennabiy>
Wow, not many people on...
13:02
alkisg: you here?
13:02
<alkisg>
bennabiy: so and so... :)
13:03
<bennabiy>
Did you see my post earlier about a possibility?
13:03
(repost) alkisg or vagrantc: did we determine it was fine to pass and remember the variables in commandline, for the sake of parsing them later? If we need, I could make a file which is the last commandline option before passing on to configure, which would remember and know all commandline options and be able to pick up the ones we need.
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13:10
<alkisg>
bennabiy: we only need to remember early_packages and ...what was the other one, mirrors?
13:10
For 2 variables, it's not worth it to make a big fuss with stored files etc...
13:13
<bennabiy>
late_packages as well
13:13
alksig: Can you explain fat clients a little more? Do they require a hard drive?
13:14
<alkisg>
!fatclients
13:14
<ltsp>
fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
13:14
<alkisg>
No, they don't
13:15
<bennabiy>
Have you any experience with the hp st5742 thin-clients?
13:16
<alkisg>
We're reusing old desktop PCs, so we never buy dedicated thin clients...
13:16
<bennabiy>
Atom N280 with 2 Gigs ram
13:16
<alkisg>
I only have one old hp 1500 something with 128 ram
13:17
<bennabiy>
Have you tried running something like an atom processor as a fat client?
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<alkisg>
Yeah, laptops
13:18
It's the same as standalone installations
13:18
I.e. atoms are usable, but barely
13:18
They're only good enough for 1 youtube browser tab
13:19
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+N280+%40+1.66GHz
13:19
Speed: 303
13:19
My 5 years old laptop has a score of 1500+
13:19
So it's 5 times faster than this n280 atom...
13:20
An i3 is 10 times faster, an i7 30 times faster, etc etc
13:20
bbl
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14:34
<christophe_y2k>
hello, with ubuntu 12.4.3 ltsp and fat amd64 client , my client can't shutdown have you tips for this issue ?
14:37
<alkisg>
!screen_02
14:37
<ltsp>
screen_02: To get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using_a_shell_SCREEN
14:37
<alkisg>
Does it shut down if you run this from a local root shell? poweroff -fp
14:42
<christophe_y2k>
this command (poweroff -fp ) work
14:42
in root console from ubuntu fat client
14:43
<alkisg>
Then it's probably the issue with nbd-disconnect not being called due to the kernel command line being changed...
14:44
Google for "ltsp-shutdown.conf", you can find that in some previous ltsp package version, and put that in the chroot
14:47
<christophe_y2k>
thanks for that another issue, i wan't to use another server (not ubuntuu) for only login and /home , it's possible ? , i read we can use server=xxx in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf but this lts.conf seem to be not used
14:50
<alkisg>
For login and /home ==> then you need LDM_SERVER=the-other-server
14:50
If lts.conf is ignored, then check your dhcpd.conf settings
14:54
<bennabiy>
alkisg: welcome back :)
14:54
<alkisg>
:)
14:55
<christophe_y2k>
Many thanks for your help, what sort of missconfig can i have in dhcpd.conf ?
14:55
<bennabiy>
Alkisg: I have some drives which I mount on the server, and they immediately mount to my user in /media/user/... and others when I mount them on the server, they cycle through every available user on the lab, and then as a last ditch effort mount automatically to the user logged into the server
14:56
while I am logged into the server (I work from the server )
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<alkisg>
christophe_y2k: for example, the filename directive, or the "if" that surrounds it
15:00
bennabiy: I'm not sure I understand the issue. Are you talking about usb drives? Can other users access your drives?
15:07
<bennabiy>
alkisg: I am the administrator of this lab, and I work from the server. Others all run from thin clients on the lab. When they plug in devices to their clients, they all mount to their users on the clients just fine (with the exception of some drives). When I plug a drive into the server itself, only rarely does it actually default to mounting to my user (logged on directly to the server) and most of the time it asks each of the mem
15:07
mount it, and then defaults to me
15:10
Does that make sense?
15:14
alkisg: also, is the https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream going to be updated anytime soon?
15:14
last revision to the ltspmanual.pdf was 2009
15:16
alkisg: yes USB drives
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<christophe_y2k>
alkisg, i do not found something in dhcpd.conf i pastebin my file , if you wan't look ... http://pastebin.com/nXAWuxbh
15:45
<alkisg>
christophe_y2k: it's wrong,                 filename "/ltsp/images/amd64.img";
15:45
It should be /ltsp/amd64/nbi.img
15:46
<christophe_y2k>
... thanks... i try now !...
15:46
<alkisg>
bennabiy: about the manual, dunno, whenever scotty feels like updating it... if at all
15:47
I don't think any others work on the pdf manual
15:47
About the drive, does everyone have their own private group? like, username:username, and not username:students or username:teachers?
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<christophe_y2k>
if i remove the " the pxe do not boot, when you say must be /ltsp/amd64/nbi.img in my config have only /ltsp/images/amd64.img the filename is not important ?
15:55
<alkisg>
filename "/ltsp/amd64/nbi.img";
15:56
<christophe_y2k>
ok
16:00
<bennabiy>
some private groups, some communal groups
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<alkisg>
communal groups might be the problem (they were in the past versions at least), or, some mint login script that makes remote user declared as local (active) to policykit
16:10
Anyways gotta go, bbl
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19:11
<bennabiy>
Hello vagrantc!
19:11* vagrantc waves
19:12
<bennabiy>
did we determine it was fine to pass and remember the variables in commandline, for the sake of parsing them later? If we need, I could make a file which is the last commandline option before passing on to configure, which would remember and know all commandline options and be able to pick up the ones we need.
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19:13
<vagrantc>
but it's not just commandline options...
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<bennabiy>
These are the three scenarios: 1) no options given, a chroot of same dist as server made ( olivia/olivia e.g) which my code would already pick that up by the lsb_release. 2) --dist given (eg raring) then a non-mint chroot of dist raring made (olivia/raring) or 3) a mint chroot generated on a ubu or debian box (raring/olivia)
19:17
1 would work with the bugfix to present code.
19:18
3 would work with alkisg's initial check (with a bug fix applied)
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: what about DIST specified in a configuration file?
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20:30
<alkisg>
Hey guys
20:30
vagrantc: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk/changes (top commit, about the translations..)
20:30
Is that good enough? Once before tagging each new version?
20:34
<vagrantc>
alkisg: how fast did it commit after you enabled it?
20:34
alkisg: but yes, that's perfect. one commit with a bunch of translation updates
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20:43
<alkisg>
vagrantc: 1.5 hour later
20:45* vagrantc wonders about scheduling weekly updates or something...
20:46
<vagrantc>
i'd hate to wait 1 hour when i'm ready to tag, and it's an easy thing to forget
20:46
<alkisg>
There's a setting about importing only .pot files, instead of importing both .pot and .po,
20:47
I wonder if selecting that, would prevent the stupid daily commits with only the header changed...
20:47
<vagrantc>
so we would manually update the .pot ?
20:47
<alkisg>
If so, if we avoid the stupid header-only commits, then everything would be automatic, and proper...
20:47
Let me try to enable that for a few days
20:47
<vagrantc>
importing which direction?
20:48
into the translation system, or into bzr?
20:48
<alkisg>
Let me see the exact wording there, moment..
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: you do have access there, right? https://translations.launchpad.net/ltsp/ldm-trunk/+translations-settings
20:51
We currently have: Import template and translation files Import all translation files (templates and translations) found in the branch.
20:51
I'm thinking of switching to: Import template files Import all translation template files found in the branch.
20:51
We no longer upload modified .po files, right?
20:52
I think it's possible that the .po imports/commits are the ones that confuse launchpad, resulting in those frequent commits...
20:54* alkisg tries that anyway, I guess we'll see the result in a few days...
20:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sounds reasonable
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