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Channel log from 12 March 2012   (all times are UTC)

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07:55
<knipwim>
alkisg: shall i push the Xsession.desktop blacklist change?
07:55
<alkisg>
knipwim: by all means
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09:06
<asdasd>
hello ltsp people
09:06asdasd is now known as Punjabby
09:06
<Punjabby>
I got thin client working on debian squeeze fine, but cannot figure out how to do "Fat Client:
09:07
man someone needs to write a comprehensive howto for debian squeeze
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09:17
<alkisg>
Punjabby: squeeze is a bit old, the fat client implementation wasn't really available back then
09:18
What's your current problem? Did you specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=True in lts.conf?
09:18
<Punjabby>
LOLWUT
09:18
squeeze is debians current release
09:18
<alkisg>
Yes
09:18
<Punjabby>
lenny is the old one
09:18
<alkisg>
Yes
09:18
<Punjabby>
hehe
09:18
yes well
09:19
when I specify LTSP_FATCLIENT=True
09:19
it goes to login
09:19
i see successful ssh login in auth.log
09:19
but it hangs
09:19
and never finishes
09:19
just sits there forever
09:20
i see some things in syslog about ndb server saying "unknown partition"
09:20
<alkisg>
And what's the output of a local `ps ax` at that point?
09:20
<Punjabby>
i have no console access on the client sir
09:20
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_08
09:20
<ltsp>
alkisg: SCREEN_08: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
09:20
<Punjabby>
it hasnt finished booting
09:21
yeah I havent figured it out yet
09:21
is there anything special I need to do when I build the client for FAT CLient?
09:21
build the image i mean
09:21
<alkisg>
The fat plugin contained in squeeze is the one that we wrote for lucid
09:22
So it was a bit ubuntu-specific at that point
09:22
Nevertheless, you should be able to manually reproduce the needed steps to have a fat chroot
09:22
<Punjabby>
yeah I see heaps of discussion and documentation available for ubuntu
09:22
but hardly nothing for debian
09:22
<alkisg>
The latest commits (which aren't even available for wheezy yet) should support debian and custom-built fat chroots much better
09:23
<Punjabby>
and I guess Ubuntu also has the benefit of --Fat_client option when they initially create the image
09:23
<alkisg>
Right, but that's no longer needed in Ubuntu either
09:23
<Punjabby>
k was confused bout that
09:23
<alkisg>
Can you do what I said about getting a local shell above?
09:23
<Punjabby>
Im new to ltsp, but ive been dabbling with thin client for several months
09:23
..
09:24
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_08 | Punjabby:
09:24
<ltsp>
alkisg: Error: "Punjabby:" is not a valid command.
09:24
<Punjabby>
well, Im actually on the thinclient atm
09:24
<alkisg>
!SCREEN_08 | echo Punjabby:
09:24
<ltsp>
Punjabby: SCREEN_08: To get a root shell on a Debian thin client, put SCREEN_07=ldm, SCREEN_08=shell and SCREEN_DEFAULT=07 to lts.conf.
09:24
<Punjabby>
i would have to rebuild the image
09:24
<alkisg>
Why?
09:24
Ah, you mean that you don't have a fat chroot now?
09:24
<Punjabby>
um, because its built for thin client options atm
09:24
dont I have to update theimage when I edit the lts.conf?
09:24
<alkisg>
OK, just install some desktop environment in the thin chroot then and come back when you're ready to start troubleshooting
09:24
<Punjabby>
sir
09:25
<alkisg>
Or come back after 8-10 hours when the debian ltsp maintainer usually hangs around
09:25
<Punjabby>
when I chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get screws up, wont let me install anything
09:25
<alkisg>
He may be able to tell you more about available backports for squeeze etc
09:25
You need to use the "ltsp-chroot" command
09:25
<Punjabby>
orly
09:25
<alkisg>
That mounts /proc and other stuff needed for your apt-get to work
09:25
<Punjabby>
nice
09:25
groovy
09:25
also another question
09:26
<alkisg>
You can also do that part manually, if you do what the person told you in the mailing list about mounting /proc
09:26
<Punjabby>
is it really neccesary to rebuild the entire image every time I edit the lts.conf??
09:26
<alkisg>
In debian the default is to use NFS
09:26
From what you're saying, am I to assume that you ran ltsp-update-image which made you switch to nbd?
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09:27
<Punjabby>
slow down your going to make my head explode
09:27
lol
09:27
<alkisg>
You're not supposed to run ltsp-update-image on debian unless you know what you're doing
09:27
<Punjabby>
well sir, thats how I make the changes in lts.conf stick
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09:28
<alkisg>
You shouldn't have to. Question: did you run ltsp-update-image or not?
09:28
<Punjabby>
I can switch between thin & fat by simple commenting out the fat lines and updating the image
09:28
yes
09:28
and it works
09:28
im using thin client now
09:28
talking to you on the machine
09:28
<alkisg>
Yes, but at the cost of having to run it on every chroot change
09:28
<Punjabby>
oh yeah I assumed I would have to do that
09:29
<alkisg>
I.e. you switched from NFS, which is the default for Debian, to NBD, which is the default for Ubuntu
09:29
<Punjabby>
well someone should publish a comprehensive howto on installing ltsp for debian squeeze, including thin and fat clients
09:29
<alkisg>
So now you should either switch back or start using /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf instead of /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
09:29
<Punjabby>
its due to a severe lack of documentation
09:30
<alkisg>
Probably, fell free to contact the debian people and put it on the wiki
09:30
<Punjabby>
there is no lts.conf in my tftp dir
09:30
I looked for it, it aint there
09:30
<alkisg>
Yes, you're supposed to create one if you switched to NBD
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09:30
<Punjabby>
I didnt know I switchd
09:30
lol
09:32
what happens if im running nbd and the conf is there and also in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc ?
09:32
well I cant boot unless nfsroot is specified in the dhcp server, so, Im assuming im not using nbd
09:33
<alkisg>
tftp overrides /opt
09:33
<Punjabby>
TFTP_DIRECTORY="/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386"
09:34
<alkisg>
If you're not using NBD, then running ltsp-update-image shouldn't be needed to update your lts.conf in /opt
09:34
<Punjabby>
k
09:34
<alkisg>
You can verify that if you get a local shell on the client
09:34
<Punjabby>
how can I tell if im running nbd?
09:34
I mean I know nbd is installed and the service is running
09:34
<alkisg>
(11:34:15 πμ) alkisg: You can verify that if you get a local shell on the client
09:34
!localxterm
09:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: localxterm: Any applications that you launch on a thin client actually run on the server. However, if in a client you run 'ltsp-localapps xterm', a local xterm will open, and any commands that you enter there will be executed locally on the client.
09:34
<Punjabby>
yes yes yes
09:35
<alkisg>
Another way to get a local shell
09:35
And just check for an nbd-client process there
09:35
<Punjabby>
yeah thats the thing really is I want fart clients and not thin clients
09:35
erm
09:36
<alkisg>
Compressed NBD is more than 5 times faster than NFS, so it's good for fat clients
09:37
<Punjabby>
orly
09:37
yeah I havent installed a gb switch yet
09:37
and I see in snmp using mikrotiks dude monitor, this uses heaps of traffic
09:38
I heard you could speed things up by not using ssh
09:38
<alkisg>
Not for fat clients
09:38
<Punjabby>
wut?
09:38
only for thin clients eh?
09:38
<alkisg>
Could you please use normal words? English is not my native language...
09:38
<Punjabby>
what happens if you use the LDM_DIRECT=True on a fat client?
09:39
<sep>
Punjabby, nothingm, since ldm is not the display manager on fat clients
09:39
(normally)
09:39
<alkisg>
It is
09:39
LDM_DIRECTX indeed does nothing though
09:39
<sep>
(not on _my_ fat clients then)
09:39
;)
09:39
<alkisg>
sep: are you using the LTSP implementation of fat clients though?
09:39
<Punjabby>
sorry my enflish bad, I am indian
09:39
<alkisg>
Or a custom one?
09:40
<sep>
a customized one
09:40
<alkisg>
Punjabby: I mean all those orly wut etc, I'd have to get my dictionary to understand them
09:40
sep: that's why
09:40
<Punjabby>
orly=oh really
09:40
<alkisg>
By default, LDM is used for fat clients
09:40
<Punjabby>
wut=what
09:40
should I be using LDM?? and how can I tell if im using it? I did install it on the server
09:41
will fat client boot without it?
09:41
<alkisg>
OK, I don't think that it's worth it to type 1 less char (wut vs what) and have the others looking for dictionaries :)
09:41
<Punjabby>
I was thinking that might explain why I cannot boot fat client
09:41
lolwut?
09:42
<alkisg>
And the LDM scripts, when they detect that LTSP_FATCLIENT=True, run the session locally instead of on the server with ssh
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09:42
<alkisg>
So LDM_DIRECTX does nothing for fat clients
09:42
<fixer>
k well when I have fat client enabled in my lts.conf itll log me in, and not finish loading the desktop
09:43
just sits there with the mouse cursor andnothing else
09:43
and what looks like a terminal prompt in the top left corner appear
09:43
<alkisg>
OK, that's where the `ps ax` would help. Anyway, /me goes back to coding...
09:43
<fixer>
grr
09:44
thats heaps of monkey work to do that
09:44
well thanks for trying to help but its 3am here
09:44
and I have clients to meet tommarow
09:44
I must rest
09:44
<alkisg>
Good bye Panjabby, please don't change nicknames too so that we remember your case
09:44
<fixer>
lol
09:45
wut?
09:45
heheh
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11:25
<islander>
hello
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11:26
<islander>
does anyone know a way to install a keylogger for ltsp users?
11:28
im trying logkeys + local-apps, but i can't get past the .configure step because it doesnt see input devices on chroot
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13:19
<Punjabby>
w00t
13:21* Hyperbyte sighs.
13:23
<Punjabby>
hey, not my fault I cant code like you genious
13:24
<Hyperbyte>
Oh.
13:24
<Punjabby>
ok, soz ima get on my primary box and try to troubleshoot this
13:24
brb
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13:24* Hyperbyte frowns.
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13:27
<Punjabby>
booting this bby up, hoping it loads that conf from /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
13:28* Hyperbyte whistles.
13:28
<Punjabby>
and it did
13:28
ok, now, wow it loaded
13:28
prolly running as thin client tho
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13:29
<Punjabby>
yup sound is coming from the ltsp server
13:29
not the client
13:29
should be comin from the client not the server
13:30
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, thank you for this live coverage of you trying out LTSP. I feel it enriches my life, and the lives of everyone in this channel.
13:30
<Punjabby>
testing video,its definately using the cpu on the server
13:30
well Im trying to get thick client booting
13:30
I figure this is the place
13:30
<Hyperbyte>
You mean fat.
13:31
<Punjabby>
right
13:31
<Hyperbyte>
Yes, this is the place. If you need help with something, you ask a question.
13:31
<Punjabby>
yes, well how do I get it to boot thick client silly
13:31
lol
13:31
<Hyperbyte>
If everyone in here would constantly say "now I'm creating a new user account for the new colleague arrived today"
13:31
"Now I'm monitoring bandwith usage on my SDSL connection"
13:31
<Punjabby>
debian squeeze, ive got it booting thin client fine, but need fat client instead
13:32
<Hyperbyte>
"Hey I've just cleaned up 20 GB files on my fileserver"... etc
13:32
It's boring man! :-) Ask questions which we can help with.
13:32
<Punjabby>
now, I had created the image, and used the lts.conf located in /opt/ltsp/
13:32
ive deleted that conf
13:32
and am now using a cp of it in the /var/lib/tftp dir as was suggested
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
Which how-to did you follow for setting up your fat client?
13:33
<Punjabby>
well since nobody to my knowledge has publish a compregensive howto for debian squeeze...
13:33
I had to look at heaps of them till I got it working
13:33
<Hyperbyte>
What distro/version?
13:33
<Punjabby>
Debian Squeeze
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13:34
<Punjabby>
Linux deviant.evil 2.6.32-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Jan 16 16:04:25 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
13:34
mainly the ubuntu tuts
13:35
I just shut the client down
13:35
and I got this in my syslogs
13:35
Mar 11 22:34:49 ltsp73 kernel: [ 446.078963] nbd9: NBD_DISCONNECT
13:35
Mar 11 22:34:49 ltsp73 kernel: [ 446.083239] nbd9: Receive control failed (result -32)
13:35
Mar 11 22:34:49 ltsp73 kernel: [ 446.083312] nbd9: queue cleared
13:35
so, guess im using nbd then eh?
13:36
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, you wouldn't get nbd messages if you aren't using nbd.
13:36
<Punjabby>
right
13:36
thats what I was thinkin too
13:37
well hmm, well now that im using the lts.conf in my tftp dir, apparently my client is ignoring it
13:37
coz I have fat client set to true and its still loading thin
13:37
guess I gotta update the image ?
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, I know -zip- about Debian. But from reading back the logs, and seeing what you've just told me - I would reinstall and try again if I were you.l
13:38
<Punjabby>
no
13:38
I will NOT do that
13:38
ive reinstalled like 10 times
13:38
to hell with that
13:38
Ill troubleshoot till I figure it out
13:38
<Hyperbyte>
And this time don't fuck it up
13:39
<Punjabby>
lol right
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
That's my advice.
13:39
You're trying to switch Debian (which uses NFS by default, and is made to use NFS) over to NBD.
13:39
<Punjabby>
yeah thats whats confusing to me
13:39
coz I know its using both
13:39
<Hyperbyte>
You're not troubleshooting LTSP on Debian, you're reinventing the wheel.
13:39
<Punjabby>
at least it appears to be
13:40
well Im sorry, redhat is for loosers
13:40
Debian is KING
13:40
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, that's a really dumb statement.
13:40
<Punjabby>
lets not go there
13:40
lol
13:40
really
13:41
<Hyperbyte>
Why are you trying to start distro wars?
13:41
<Punjabby>
lol, sorry
13:41
its late im delirous
13:41
I cant even spell
13:41
lol
13:42
ok so if I was to create a fat-client image
13:42
any thing besides ltsp-update-image to get the lts.conf updated?
13:42
there guys tellin me to chroot
13:43
and do this and that
13:43
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, stop.
13:43
<Punjabby>
....
13:44
hey guy, im tryin to have a little fun while figurin this out
13:44
<Hyperbyte>
You're flooding the channel with messages, you're insulting RedHat users, you're trying very advanced things with LTSP without understand the basics...
13:44
<Punjabby>
hey gotta break some eggs to make an omelete
13:45
ok, so Im a jerk, but look, I figure this out, ill pass the knowledge on to others
13:46
basically, if I set fatclient true in the conf, it logs me in, I see success in the ssh logs, but it hangs
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13:46
<Punjabby>
mouse cursor and bash prompt in the top left corner
13:47
is it a problem if my server has proprietary nvidia drivers and my fatclient has an ati card?
13:47
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, like I said - I know -ZIP- about Debian.
13:48
<Punjabby>
red head?
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
Take a step back here - X runs on the client. Regardless if it's thin or fat.
13:48
So whatever drivers, X modules, etc you have on the server, are irrelevant. What matters is what there is inside the image.
13:48
The only difference between thin and fat clients is in where the applications run.
13:49
<Punjabby>
yeah well if I just run ltsp-make-image or w/e it makes an image based off the server right?
13:49
thats why I was thinking perhaps video driver issue
13:49
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, as far as I know (and again, about Debian, that is nothing), the client is based on the operating system of the server.
13:50
But not the configuration or the software.
13:50
<Punjabby>
I read on a tut, that you must chroot to the image dir and install nfs-client for fat client to work
13:50
but I have no idea if thats even the issue
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Don't know.
13:51
Install Ubuntu and I can tell you. In fact, if you install Ubuntu there's even a how-to.
13:51
<Punjabby>
Well my opinion , as irrelevant as it may be, is that Ubuntu is a vile bastardization of Debian and I wont touch it
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13:52
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, the moment you learn to let go of your bias towards certain distros, is the moment you find happiness and peace in your life.
13:52
<Punjabby>
no sir
13:52
there are reasons I dont use Ubuntu or Redhat bases os
13:53
they do things wrong and ass backwards
13:53
in redhat
13:53
<Hyperbyte>
Punjabby, stop.
13:53
<Punjabby>
and Ubuntus networking is a nightmare, particularly wireless
13:53
<Hyperbyte>
:)
13:53
<Punjabby>
your right
13:53
im going to fuck off and fix this myself you useless cunt
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13:54
<Hyperbyte>
Hahah
13:54
<knipwim>
jeez
13:55
<Hyperbyte>
Hi knipwim. :-)
13:55
<knipwim>
hey Hyperbyte
13:55
<Hyperbyte>
Saw you went on vacation - where'd you go?
13:55
<knipwim>
les menuires, snowboarding
13:56
and it was great
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
Ah! My sister went on a snowboarding trip on saturday
13:56
<knipwim>
2 days of fresh snow, and sunny for the other days
13:56
<Hyperbyte>
With her school, she's going to Saalberg.
13:57
<knipwim>
nice
13:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hah, no way. :-) She studies sports & activities.
13:58
So they're going there to sport, but then lots of it.
13:58
I believe she has to do at least 6 hours snowboarding each day.
13:58
<knipwim>
sam here
13:58
10 to 17 :)
13:59
i'm a real fanatic
13:59
only a week snowboarding a year, you got to take all the time you have
14:01
<Hyperbyte>
:-D
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17:41
<gk4>
hey, I'm looking for a USB over IP recommendation so that USB devices attached to thin client can be used by application on the server. Any suggestions?
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17:50
<veloutin>
I thought fuse already took care of that
17:50
oh, USB devices, not just storage?
17:50
<alkisg>
LTSP only supports usb filesystem devices, for other projects like http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ probably this isn't the correct channel to ask, not many people have mentioned it
17:54
<Hyperbyte>
!learn usb as LTSP only supports usb filesystem devices, for other projects like http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ probably this isn't the correct channel to ask, not many people have mentioned it
17:54
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: The operation succeeded.
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18:45
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so, um ... about those fatclient changes...
18:46
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I thought it would make installing debian fat chroots easier... no?
18:46
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i think the logic is backwards ... it only autodetects when LTSP_FATCLIENT is unset
18:46
<alkisg>
Not need for a plugin if xsessions are used for autodetection
18:46
Right, because we want someone to be able to override the autodetetion
18:47
?
18:47
<vagrantc>
er, only autodetects if LTSP_FATCLIENT *is* set.
18:47
<alkisg>
Oh, let me see...
18:48
test -z "$LTSP_FATCLIENT" || return
18:48
"we requires LTSP_FATCLIENT to be unset, otherwise return and don't use autodetection"
18:49
Would you prefer it as `test -n "$LTSP_FATCLIENT" && return` ?
18:52
<vagrantc>
well, if it's set to LTSP_FATCLIENT=false, it seems like it shouldn't change LTSP_FATCLIENT ...
18:52
and if it's set to LTSP_FATCLIENT=true, it shouldn't bother to check...
18:53
<alkisg>
...and that's what it does currently... I'm not seeing the problem
18:53
It doesn't call "boolean_is_true", it checks if it has any value
18:53
<vagrantc>
it OVERRIDES the way LTSP_FATCLIENT is currently configured.
18:53
ah, i'm misreading it ...
18:53
|| not &&
18:54
<alkisg>
:)
18:54
<vagrantc>
sorry for the noise!
18:54
<alkisg>
(08:49:09 μμ) alkisg: Would you prefer it as `test -n "$LTSP_FATCLIENT" && return` ?
18:54
<vagrantc>
so what's happened in the last week ... i've barely been doing anything
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18:55* alkisg has mostly been working on epoptes
18:56
<alkisg>
The hardest 6 lines I've ever written in shell, took me a dozen hours :D http://paste.debian.net/159478/
18:56
(to switch to using a vnc password instead of trusting the whole localnet)
19:07
<Llama_be>
knipwim, or anybody else familiar with Gentoo: ltsp-build-client fails for me. I have to add "-zlib hwdb" to my USE flags, and "app-arch/libarchive zlib" to my package.use . Is this a bug or an error on my end?
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19:12* vagrantc puzzles over http://bugs.debian.org/663081
19:13
<vagrantc>
i couldn't fully reproduce the behavior with a thin client, but i guess they're using a fat client?
19:14
don't really understand how gnome-session vs. gnome-session-fallback works, or how to tell when you're using gnome-session vs. gnome-fallback ... although onn initial login, it did tell me it was switching to fallback mode.
19:16
<alkisg>
$ ps -fC gnome-session
19:16
alkisg 1972 1585 0 19:33 ? 00:00:00 gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback
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<alkisg>
Maybe they have something different in their .dmrc files. Dmrc handling was broken until a while ago.
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<vagrantc>
also, did y'all ever figure out that ALT-# to get a root shell issue?
19:19
i couldn't reproduce on debian, although it does switch to another virtual desktop without LDM running
19:20
alkisg: yeah, i was thinking i'd ask more about their .dmrc files...
19:21
<alkisg>
I think ubuntu wasn't affected by those xorg alt+# issues
19:21
Or was it related to the wicked wm?
19:21* alkisg didn't try it...
19:23
<vagrantc>
it was specificly reported on ubuntu
19:24
<alkisg>
I'm probably thinking of another Alt+# problem then, the one that could be used to bypass locked screens etc :)
19:25
<vagrantc>
yeah, the one about wicked wm
19:25
<muppis>
Got local root shell from login in 11.10
19:25
<alkisg>
Why do we need a wm at ldm?
19:25
For the preferences dialog?
19:25
<vagrantc>
ask stgraber and mgariepy
19:26
if we need it at all, we need to strip it down considerably further.
19:26
what i don't get is why it spawns a root shell on ubuntu, but not on debian.
19:27
<alkisg>
Maybe that shortcut is reserved for something else on debian
19:27
<vagrantc>
on debian, it just switches virtual desktops, as far as i can tell.
19:27
so what in ubuntu is triggering it?
19:28
maybe it's not actually wicked wm on ubuntu? something catching the signal?
19:28
<alkisg>
Let me pinpoint it...
19:29
<stgraber>
we probably should turn off the keybindings entirely in wwm
19:29
<vagrantc>
and yank the code...
19:29
<alkisg>
stgraber: why do we need it in the first place?
19:30
<vagrantc>
a pretty ugly security hole...
19:31
<stgraber>
alkisg: because without a VM managing multiple screen in a fullscreen gtk app is a pain, we also wanted a WM so ltsp-cluster can give access to the web management tool the first time a thin client boots
19:31
and for potential addition of citrix/vmware/... clients that need to show an additional window before login
19:32
<alkisg>
Multiple screens are broken in ldm now though, right? I saw multiple bugs about it...
19:32
<stgraber>
the actual security hole is that the greeter runs as root
19:32
<alkisg>
alt+1=shows ldm as usual
19:32
alt +2 to 9=shows ldm without the buttons
19:32
Enter on those => opens root term
19:32
<vagrantc>
that's just bad security practice, not inherrantly a security hole
19:32
<alkisg>
vagrantc: did you press enter?
19:32
<stgraber>
alkisg: it's broken in a different way than it used to but yeah it's still a bit broken :)
19:33
<vagrantc>
alkisg: oh, i missed the enter
19:33
oh look, a root shell!
19:33
yup, debian's affected too
19:33
<alkisg>
Fun :(
19:33
<muppis>
:/
19:33
<stgraber>
looking at wwm, it indeed has a keybinding for xterm on XK_Return
19:34
<vagrantc>
needs an audit to pull out all keybindings...
19:35
<stgraber>
pushing
19:35
fixed
19:35
<vagrantc>
given that this affects released versions of ubuntu, this should probably require a CVE or something?
19:35
<stgraber>
I made keytab[] empty in main.c
19:36
I guess, it actually affects everyone and has been for a while...
19:36
<vagrantc>
well, no "released" version of debian is affected.
19:37
the wwm stuff was introduced with ldm 2.2.x, yes?
19:38
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, ldm-2.2 was the first one to have it
19:38
<alkisg>
Ah so Lucid (that greek schools use) is fine, np here
19:40
<stgraber>
I'm doing a build test of the current trunk, if that works, I'd suggest we release 2.2.7 ASAP
19:41
<vagrantc>
agreed.
19:41
i'll test build too
19:41
<stgraber>
ok, it builds fine
19:41
vagrantc: can you tag+upload to Debian today?
19:41
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yup.
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19:42
<stgraber>
vagrantc: I'll take care of cherry-pick + upload to the affected Ubuntu versions through -security so hopefully I'll get a CVE number at the same time
19:42
<vagrantc>
muppis: and proper credits should go to you!
19:43
what would we have to do to run the greeter as non-root?
19:43
lot of plugins assume some pretty rootful things
19:43
<muppis>
vagrantc, least what I can do.
19:44
<vagrantc>
muppis: just credit "muppis" or some other name?
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19:45
<muppis>
vagrantc, you can put my full name, Tenho Tuhkala
19:47
<stgraber>
bug report done, and sent over to the Ubuntu Security team with information for proper credits in the CVE
19:52
vagrantc: only spawn the greeter as the user, it talks through a socket/pipe to the backend already
19:52
<vagrantc>
stgraber: thanks!
19:52
<stgraber>
vagrantc: so the backend would run as root but the frontend would run as nobody
19:52
<vagrantc>
stgraber: we really should do that.
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19:53
<stgraber>
vagrantc: where was the keybinding bug initially mentioned? mailing-list/irc/bug? (forwarding question from the security team :))
19:53
<alkisg>
Btw, how do I move windows on that WM?
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19:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: there was a keybinding for it (as of 5 minutes ago ;))
19:54
<alkisg>
Haha
19:54
<highvoltage>
.wub 19
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19:55
<vagrantc>
stgraber: muppis mentioned it on irc.
19:55
<stgraber>
ok
19:55
<vagrantc>
stgraber: might be able to find mention of it in the logs.
19:55
<muppis>
A day out two ago.
19:56
or..
19:59
<Llama_be>
if I think I have found bugs in Gentoo LTSP (and it really is Gentoo specific I believe), where should I best report it? Gentoo bugtracker? Or should I just hang around here to see when knipwim is around and tell him?
20:02
<stgraber>
vagrantc: bugfixes are ready for Ubuntu 11.04 and 11.10. For 12.04 I'll just sync from Debian whenever the new release lands.
20:02
<vagrantc>
stgraber: working on it now.
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20:02
<stgraber>
vagrantc: the security team will now do the uploads for me and said they asked for a CVE on the oss-sec mailing list, can take a few days to have it assigned though so we better not wait on it
20:03
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yeah, no sense waiting for it.
20:03
<jamil>
hi vagrantc
20:04* vagrantc waves
20:05
<vagrantc>
Llama_be: i'm not a gentoo user, but i'd think reporting on the bugtracker would be a good idea
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20:12
<alkisg>
I think that we should move configure_sound_volume to the udev script, and start_sound to the ldm script
20:12
<muppis>
But now to get some sleep.
20:13
<alkisg>
So basically ltsp-init-common would only contain start_screen_sessions... :)
20:13
'night muppis
20:13
<muppis>
Nights
20:14
<stgraber>
vagrantc: CVE-2012-1166
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20:22
<stgraber>
yeah! my second CVE number (not sure it's something to be proud of though ;))
20:23
vagrantc: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2012/q1/619 if you need to point to the CVE allocation (as it doesn't contain anything at this point)
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20:25
<vagrantc>
stgraber: probably don't need to.
20:26
<stgraber>
vagrantc: I did a 2.2.6 => 2.2.7 test here and reproduced the bug on 2.2.6 and confirmed the fix on 2.2.7 (current trunk)
20:26
so I'll be tagging 2.2.7 now and send an e-mail to ltsp-devel and ltsp-discuss about it
20:26
<alkisg>
When the CVE problem is done, if you guys have time maybe we can talk about the ltsp-common-functions problem (common file), which prohibits parallel installation of ltsp-client and ltsp-server
20:27
<stgraber>
2.2.7 tagged
20:29
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i was already in the middle of doing that...
20:29
stgraber: did you push already?
20:30
looks like so...
20:30
rebuild #3...
20:31
<stgraber>
vagrantc: yeah, I didn't generate tarballs though, just tagged it so I have a version number to reference in the paperwork
20:35
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i had a minor dependency added on procps, hopefully that doesn't cause you problems.
20:35
stgraber: i *think* it's correct, although on further review it's maybe not needed, as it calls prgrep on the server...
20:36
<stgraber>
vagrantc: that's fine, procps is priority: required on Ubuntu and ships in ubuntu-minimal, so it's a no-op for us
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20:44
<vagrantc>
oh wow, gnome3 on debian supports ltsp shutdowns...
20:44
but not reboot, for some reason...
20:44
<alkisg>
??!! really?!
20:45
<vagrantc>
oh, no, i was running a fatclient.
20:45* alkisg gave up on that and uses epoptes to logoff+shutdown/reboot with a single click :D
20:46
<vagrantc>
lxde supports it in debian testing/unstable, and with a 3 line patch in stable.
20:46
<alkisg>
There should be a cross-de policy about how the session signals the DM what to do after it finishes
20:47
E.g. return 0 = logout, 1 = reboot, 2 = shutdown etc
20:47
<vagrantc>
stgraber: uploaded ldm 2:2.2.7-1 to debian unstable.
20:47
<alkisg>
Then we could handle it from the ldm scripts without having to send patches everywhere
20:48
<vagrantc>
would be nice.
20:48
<alkisg>
Maybe there already exists something similar... how does lightdm know that the kde shutdown button was pressed?
20:49
<stgraber>
alkisg: there's some freedesktop "standard" using dbus for that, but we can't use it :(
20:49
vagrantc, alkisg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/880953/ does cover it all?
20:49
<vagrantc>
i think through consolekit or something?
20:49
<alkisg>
stgraber: we could catch it on the server with a dbus listener and set the appropriate xprop
20:50
stgraber: not alt+enter, plain enter
20:50
Alt+2 to 8, and enter
20:51
It was probably ignored on "workspace" 1 because the text entry box catched the enter
20:51
<vagrantc>
right
20:52
<stgraber>
ah right, alt+enter was just my trick to get it to happen from the first workspace
20:54
<vagrantc>
so, i had adventures in LTSP on powerpc yesterday ...
20:54
the yaboot code is abysmal ... makes it almost impossible to support both 32 and 64 bit powerpc machines.
20:54
well, the LTSP yaboot code is abysmal
20:55
we really shouldn't take over $tftproot/yaboot and $tftproot/yaboot.conf from ltsp-update-kernels
20:55
<alkisg>
vagrantc: could you take a look at that? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/950945
20:56
<vagrantc>
i've been able to work around issues with pxelinux by passing setting up $tftproot/pxelinux* instead of pointing clients to $tftproot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 ... but that's not possible with yaboot, because yaboot defaults to using $tftproot/yaboot.conf
20:56
<alkisg>
I don't think we have a real reason to disallow installing ltsp-client alongside ltsp-server now
20:56
<vagrantc>
alkisg: there's a file conflict, but in general, probably not
20:57
<alkisg>
One use case would be to serve the edubuntu squashfs live dvd image over the network, so that the live dvd supports fat clients without needing a chroot at all
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<alkisg>
So, to do that, we could have that file duplicated, with different names, on the server/client packages
20:57
client-common-functions, server-common-functions
20:57
We'd have to change the upstream code a bit of course
20:57
<vagrantc>
alkisg: right, i thought about that recently.
20:58
alkisg: alternately shipping an ltsp-common package.
20:58
<alkisg>
I don't know if it's worth it to have an ltsp-common... yup
20:58
<vagrantc>
right, it's a bit small..
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20:59
<vagrantc>
technically, they really ought to conflict at the moment.
20:59
alkisg: the cheaper workaround is to have each divert the other's common-functions at package install time
21:00
but that's kind of messy.
21:00
and potentially out of sync if the versions differ.
21:00
<alkisg>
Isn't postinst too late for that?
21:00
<vagrantc>
you can do diversions in preinst, i think.
21:00
it's cheaper from an upstream perspective, expensive from a packagers perspective.
21:00
<alkisg>
And preinst happens before the files are checked for collisions?
21:01
<vagrantc>
before they're unpacked, yes.
21:01
<alkisg>
Also I don't know if all distros support diversions...
21:01
<vagrantc>
so the long-term option would definitely be to move them around.
21:01
although to minimize the cost, we could leave one or the other as is, and only change one of them.
21:02
guess we could also ship them differently, and use alternatives
21:02
might be easier than diversions.
21:03
<alkisg>
I thought about that too, but I didn't know if all distro packages support alternatives...
21:03
<vagrantc>
sure.
21:03
<alkisg>
But it does sound kinda messy with alternatives too, it's not like we're offering alternate versions
21:05
<vagrantc>
it's actually the same file in either case.
21:05
how many functions are even in there, these days?
21:06
<alkisg>
There are some, and it'll probably grow
21:06
(while ltsp-init-common will shrink dramatically)
21:06
<vagrantc>
some of those seem server-specific, at least.
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21:09* vagrantc tests ldm against alt-enter too
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<vagrantc>
that alt-enter keybinding is handy, though!
21:12
<alkisg>
Maybe we could map it to "LTSPROCKS" :P
21:13
<vagrantc>
there is an LDM_DEBUG_SHELL or something like that ... might be useful to have an option to enable, but then hide it again
21:13
although a hidden option is kind of dangerous
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<vagrantc>
gah.
21:23
my tarball contains the changelog from when *i* committed 2.2.7
21:44
<stgraber>
vagrantc: so 2.2.7 in debian doesn't have the bugfix? or it's simply not a perfectly identical tarball?
21:47
<vagrantc>
stgraber: it's got the fix, just the Changelog doesn't match bzr history.
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: the only difference is who committed and tagged 2.2.7 ...
21:51* vagrantc finally gets around to testing squeeze-backports of recent ltsp/ldm/ltspfs
21:51
<stgraber>
vagrantc: ok, I guess we can live with that :)
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<vagrantc>
wow, backports of ltsp, ltspfs and ldm worked without a hitch!
22:06
NBD handling is probably borked, and should technically depend on newer versions of nbd-server/nbd-client ... but it works
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23:07* vagrantc wonders if FreeBSD can take init= as an argument...
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: expect another epoptes upload soon ;) I just filed a bunch of bugs against it on Launchpad ;)
23:12
<vagrantc>
busy, busy.
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: regarding the crash in a VM, try a different resolution.
23:19
stgraber: er, different color depth.
23:19
thought we applied a fix for that, but maybe it broke again.
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: ah, could be it indeed, will try next time (flushed the VMs already). I was running with kvm's default config under libvirt
23:23
<vagrantc>
stgraber: yeah, i can reproduce it in my setups. running with 16-bit color depth seems to work fine, and real hardware as well.
23:23
i mean, running the default color depth on real hardware also seems to work.
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