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Channel log from 17 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<matte>
hi, i work with ltsp server, but i had have some problems with pci cards:
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i don't find a pci lan card with native pxe who works without any hacks or workarounds
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where is list of native pxe cards? (who works well on any pc)
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<ogra>
matte, what kind of "hacks or workarounds" ?
06:13* ogra never had to use any
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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Morning ogra!
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<ogra>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<ogra>
sbalneav, we need to fix the server sizing doc in the handbook
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it talks about 60M per client on the server, thats way to less
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<Q-FUNK>
96mb?
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128mb?
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<ogra>
128 is what we write on the CD cover
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100 should suffice though
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but 128 is a safe bet
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: did everything we need to support a thincan make it into gutsy, in the end? sbalneav had it working on his branch, but I'm wondering if all of it made it to the final?
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<ogra>
if you use OO.o, firefox and one of the big desktops at least
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Q-FUNK, i just blindly merged from sbalneav here :)
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<Q-FUNK>
and on the client side? ram requirements are how big starting with gutsy?
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oho
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<ogra>
might be that we need to do a dependency chaneg on the apcvkage i missed, but beyond that all should be fine
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<Q-FUNK>
so we are factually using mkelimage now?
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<ogra>
no
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not yet
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we use whats installed by default ... whish is still mknbi ...
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<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: had that in his branch afaik
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<ogra>
if i drop the dep it will switch to mkelf ;)
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bith is on the CD
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*both
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<Q-FUNK>
ok. any obstacle to dropping mkelf-linux?
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<ogra>
according to scott it worked fine on all his tests ....so no
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<sbalneav>
Q-FUNK: Bug #140051
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, I did some more testing, and it seems to work.
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<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: the amd driver? yes, I noticed. thanks!
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<ari_stress>
evening
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<sbalneav>
Morning ari_stress
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<ari_stress>
:)
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wazzup scott?
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<sbalneav>
Not much. Same ol, same ol.
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<Q-FUNK>
Gadi up!
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<mikkel>
Anyone working on getting LTSP5 into fedora 8 ?
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<StylusEater_Work>
woo hoo, just got ltsp up and going. :-)
09:00
has anyone in here used condor (or maybe a different cluster job scheduler?) atop ltsp? if so, have you had a good experience?
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<sbalneav>
mikkel: I think there's some minor work being done, but I don't know of a concerted effort.
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<mikkel>
sbalneav, Do you know how is working on it ?
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<sbalneav>
The only work I know has been put into it is that vagrantc got some basic bits going, but he's a Debian developer, primarily. Eric Harrison of K12LTSP was looking into it a year ago, but I have no idea on how far he got.
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<cyberorg>
hi guys, we are on news :) http://news.opensuse.org/?p=263
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<ogra>
well, the thing vagrant wrote should already show how it has to happen
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<sbalneav>
mikkel: Are you volunteering to do it? Or just an interested user?
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<ogra>
mikkel,
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bzr get http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora
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<sbalneav>
cyberorg: cool.
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<ogra>
have a look in the server/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Fedora subdir
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<cyberorg>
sbalneav: hopefully that would attract some attention to our effort :)
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<mikkel>
sbalneav, Well kind off. I need to get some working by end off january.
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<cyberorg>
'night, was just in to share that, 'night :)
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<mikkel>
Will try with fedora7, it seems I can't do a groupinstall from rawhide.
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<sbalneav>
Wow, he logs into irc from root?
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Brave, brave soul :)
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<ogra>
probably suse dropped all other accounts ?
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<Blinny>
heh
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<ogra>
who knows :)
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<Q-FUNK>
scary.
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<ogra>
"ubuntu is using sudo, we can do better than asking for a password all the time" ;)
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<Q-FUNK>
does suse have sudont yet?
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<ogra>
wasnt there a commercial distro doing that ?
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i think lindows did it that way .... but i'm not sure anymore
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sure has suse sudo ... not sure they use it like ubuntu though
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<cloakable>
I'm pondering using LTSP with kde on Debian Etch. Does anyone have any advice, or reccomendations?
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<matte__>
<matte> hi, i work with ltsp server, but i had have some problems with pci cards:
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<matte> i don't find a pci lan card with native pxe who works without any hacks or workarounds
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<matte> where is list of native pxe cards? (who works well on any pc)
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<ogra>
cloakable,
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!debian
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<cloakable>
ogra: Yes. However, I hear things about KDE and locally mounted devices.
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<ogra>
cloakable, they work desktop independentlyx ... but since KDE doesnt monitor /media as gnome-vfs does, you wont have links on the users desktop
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<cloakable>
Mmmhmm. Nicht gut.
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<ogra>
ltspfsmounter is python ... a trivial script ... you can modify it to create a link in ~/Desktop or open a filemanager window or so
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<StylusEater_Work>
matte__: 3com 3c59x are good choices... so are etherlink TX and etherlink TXL
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<ogra>
no rocket science involved ;)
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matte__, what kind of workarounds do you mean ?
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i havent seen a PXE card in the last two years that made any probs
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<matte__>
ogra, i buy @mediaworld 2 different cards, anyone works with pxe boot.. now i don't remember models
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<ogra>
both are PXE capable but only one works ?
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<matte__>
yes.. i don't know
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why
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<ogra>
because you talked about "hacks or workarounds" :)
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if cards are PXE capable they usually just work
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<slidesinger>
matte__: 3c90x is an excellent card as well
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<matte__>
the card don't work i think is a linksys
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but i don't have it here
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<ogra>
sbalneav, any thoughts about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/140010 ? (apart from "argh why isnt he using LDM_DIRECTX instead of startx" indeed :) )
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Yeah, works when he has it directly connected.
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so, KVM issue, far as I can see.
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<sbalneav>
ogra: That seem a fair assessment to you?
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<ogra>
yeah
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i'd say so
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.oO(we really should drop startx :P )
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<sbalneav>
Well, good to have it in there for backwards compatibility. But I think this fellow's got the cheap kvm blues. Best might be to simply file it against xorg, let them handle it.
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<ogra>
how about sectretly removing it and make it a default setup for LDM_DIRECTX ?
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ah, well, that wuld break expectations i guess :)
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<sbalneav>
heh, someone, for some reason, may REALLY REALLY want xdmcp.
10:52
For some reason that we can't forsee :)
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<ogra>
yeah, indeed
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<sbalneav>
Maybe they're using ltsp to access some really old whacky unix box that HAS xdmcp, but doesn't have ssh support.
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or something
10:53* sbalneav waves arms frantically
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<TiDjY>
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<cloakable>
Hola
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<Guaraldo>
Hi, TiDjY...
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<TiDjY>
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<cloakable>
Why do you have those °°°'s areound your text? O.o
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<TiDjY>
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voila
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<cloakable>
ltsp uses pxe to boot clients anyway :P
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<TiDjY>
ok i know
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but i don't use LTSP but i would like use lts.conf or the same method
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is it possible?
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<cloakable>
I don't think so.
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What methos are you using?
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*method
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<TiDjY>
the simple
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with dhcp, nfs, tftp and pxe
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but without LTSP
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<cloakable>
Just add LTSP to it :P
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<TiDjY>
;)
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<cloakable>
Sounds like you're using LTSP already, just without, well, LTSP.
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<__CC__>
where xactly shud i look for help on Network Audio System (NAS)
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??
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if i m at the right place plz help me on what xactly NAS is used for....one of my frends cant use his audio drivers to produce loud sound on his speakers
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<__CC__>
can i use NAS to redirect my sound output to him
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<Gadi>
__CC__: are you using LTSP?
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<__CC__>
no i hv no ideas of LTSP
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just googled for NAS on IRC
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<Gadi>
ok...
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why NAS?
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NAS has been dead for some time
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:)
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<__CC__>
can u plz explain me wats NAS all about
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<Gadi>
the best network-aware sound system in Linux atm is PulseAudio
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<__CC__>
i mean wat can we achive using it
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what is meant by ""netwrk aware sound system""
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<Gadi>
NAS is one of several sound client/server systems that allow an application on one computer to play sound on another computer over the network
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<__CC__>
and what is required on client as per hardware requiremnts
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<Gadi>
the application is a sound "client" that sends a request to play a sound to the sound "server" running on the computer that has the sound card
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the hardware requirements are on the computer that has the speakers
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<__CC__>
and the client's sound card is not used
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<Gadi>
it needs a sound card that has the appropriate driver
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the computer that runs the application need not have a sound card
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<__CC__>
the client or the server ?
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<Gadi>
in this case the "sound server" is the computer with the sound card and speakers
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from which noise comes
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:)
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the "sound client" is the computer that runs the application that wants to play a sound
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<__CC__>
ok
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<Gadi>
it gets confusing because typically the application is on an "application server"
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;)
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<__CC__>
suppose i hv a sound card...working very well.....
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and my frend got a sound card that is producing very low sound
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can i use NAS like things so that he can use my sound card
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<Gadi>
no
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<__CC__>
and listen full sound on his speakers
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<Gadi>
your friend should run alsamixer
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and increase the volume levels
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<__CC__>
then wats the use of NAS
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u just said the application need not hv sound card
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<sbalneav>
TiDjY: The getltscfg program is what parses the lts.conf file.
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<Gadi>
you could use NAS so that you can launch an application, say mplayer, on his computer and push the video and sound to your computer
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(say, you have a better video card and sound card, but he's got all the good applications ;) )
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in a thin client environment, we want the applications that run on the application server to play sounds on the thin clients and not the server
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<sbalneav>
Afternoon Gadi!
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<Gadi>
hey, sbalneav
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<__CC__>
i m not getting you :(
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<Gadi>
__CC__: lets say you are on computer A, and your friend has computer B
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<__CC__>
ok
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<Gadi>
your computer has a sweet video and sound card
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<__CC__>
k
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<Gadi>
but you don't have any of the codecs to play that awesome new DivX DVD you downloaded
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<__CC__>
k
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<Gadi>
but, com0puter B, your multimedia box, has all the applications loaded and working great
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<__CC__>
k
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<Gadi>
you don't want to waste time installing everything on your system, you want to just watch the DVD
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<__CC__>
k
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<Gadi>
so, you say, "ok, I'll just upload the DVD to computer B and play it there"
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<__CC__>
and
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<Gadi>
but, I'll push the sound and display back to my computer
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<opac>
Hello all, Could anyone point me in the right direction on how to setup up autologin with LTSP. I have an LTSP server up and running and clients can connect and are work great. I just want to get the clients to login when they boot up.
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<Gadi>
so, you ssh into B
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set the DISPLAY variable back to A
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and fire up mplayer running on B
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then, you realize, "damn - the sound is coming out of B's speakers!"
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I don't want that
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I want the sound to come out of A's speakers
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I need to tell mplayer to push the sound down to A as well
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in order to do that, you need *some* mechanism to transport sound over the network
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<__CC__>
so its just software level transparency..no hardware level transparency
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i got it
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<Gadi>
because X won't do that for you
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right
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<__CC__>
i was assuming smthing else
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<Gadi>
it's a layer on top of the audio drivers
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<__CC__>
hmm
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dont we hv anything that works in my problem
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<Gadi>
you can see why it is useful in a thin client environment
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where the apps are not running on the local hardware
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<Gadi>
your problem is simply an ALSA issue
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<mikkel>
sbalneav, How do I get the kernel from fedora7 to mount the NFS root dir. Should I make some changes to initrd ? use mkinitramfs ?
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<Gadi>
you need only increase the ALSA volume levels
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<__CC__>
and its not been resolved
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<opac>
Anyone using autologin?
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<__CC__>
i tried evrything ...even #alsa
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no solutions man
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<Gadi>
__CC__: did you try opening a terminal on his computer and typing alsamixer?
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<__CC__>
ya
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increased all to max level
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<Gadi>
then, its either a bad soundcard or a bad driver
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<__CC__>
its bad driver of course ...coz its compaq presario
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<Gadi>
or alsa's messed up and sound is being flushed out the wrong channel
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<mikkel>
Gadi, you should look at PulseAudio.
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<__CC__>
and works grt in windows xp
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but FC 7 nvr gives full sound
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<Gadi>
mikkel: I do. I even ogle it sometimes
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but not in mixed company
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<mikkel>
Gadi, ok. Was planing on looking at it myself at one point.
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<Gadi>
mikkel: don't stare. she'll start to blush
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<__CC__>
anyways thax Gadi
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<Gadi>
__CC__: good luck
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oh, and keep in mind, these days, there are several volume controls in Linux
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<__CC__>
at least i understood wats NAS is all about
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<Gadi>
you may want to make sure *all* are maxed out
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<__CC__>
i tried all of them
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<Gadi>
not just alsa
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but gstreamer, too
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<__CC__>
all are maxed
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ya gstreamer too
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<Gadi>
ok
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weird
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check the plug ;)
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<__CC__>
chkd that at first then went to #alsa :(
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<NickBoy>
hi all
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<Penberthy>
anyone familiar with edubuntu
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<cloakable>
no
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<NickBoy>
not me but whats the question
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<Blinny>
I think that was the question
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<NickBoy>
lol
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<Blinny>
Another user helped!
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<NickBoy>
hahaha
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ive got a question
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:P
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cant get my audio work on my thin clients
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i can only select my server audio card
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prob need some s\drivers
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<Blinny>
What distro / ltsp ver?
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<NickBoy>
fedora core 6 k12ltsp
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version 4 i think
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i see my audio card but when i select it it wont give a sound
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<Blinny>
And you've got sound=y in lts.conf of course
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<NickBoy>
sound=y ??? am not an advanced ltsp user
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<cloakable>
O.o
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<Blinny>
You need to open the main LTSP configuration file. It is located, for most intel thin clients, in /opt/lts/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<cloakable>
Do you admin a ltsp server?
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<NickBoy>
yeah add home
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<Blinny>
NickBoy: Check this too http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound -- great info here.
14:03
<NickBoy>
ah thx
14:03
thats really uselfull
14:03
<Blinny>
LTSP wiki is your friend.
14:04
Also here http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SoundCards for hardware - but that doesn't sound like your problem.
14:05
<NickBoy>
superr :P
14:05
now ive something to read lol
14:16
<Blinny>
Gotta fly!
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15:11
<TiDjY>
yop yop
15:12
i would like mount homedir at logon
15:12
my homedir is on ltsp server
15:12
mount via nfs
15:12
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok, so i've got the snazzy new ltspfs 0.5+debian1 and ldm 5.0.30debian1 ... floppy seems to be working fine (except there's two icons) but cdrom just doesn't do nothin.
15:13
<TiDjY>
is it possible
15:13
<vagrantc>
TiDjY: of course it's possible. it may not be easy, however.
15:14
<TiDjY>
:)
15:14
a little script :p
15:14
<jmbp>
Hi...
15:15
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Something with the cdpinger, then.
15:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: you know, i haven't even figured out if the CD mounts manually yet ...
15:15
<jmbp>
I have some trouble trying to boot new clients on LTSP with ubuntu/feisty...
15:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: scratch that, it can mount manually.
15:15
<jmbp>
apparently NIC is not being recognized...
15:15
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: where do i start debugging cdpinger ?
15:16
again, nevermind.
15:16
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Well, first off, is it running at all?
15:16
<vagrantc>
it is not running.
15:16
<sbalneav>
Well, that's the first problem :)
15:16
<vagrantc>
for some reason, i feel the need to ask the obvious question before actually thinking about it today.
15:16
<sbalneav>
jmbp: What kind of nic is it?
15:17
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: any idea why the floppy is mounted twice ?
15:17
sbalneav: at least, i get two icons for it ...
15:17
<sbalneav>
Is it listed twice in the fstab?
15:17
<jmbp>
sbalneav: it's an 82562v-2 from Intel/Dell ... client is a Vostro 200 from Dell
15:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: once in /media/ and once in /tmp
15:18
<sbalneav>
Testing under gnome?
15:18
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: yes.
15:19
<sbalneav>
jmbp: I
15:19* vagrantc never liked the double-mount thing anyways
15:19
<sbalneav>
I'm not familiar with that card.
15:19
<vagrantc>
did ubuntu ever implement the virtual hal devices with ltspfs thingy ?
15:19
<sbalneav>
No, I don't think so.
15:19
ollie looked at it a bit, but I don't think it got far.
15:19
We'll pick it up for next time.
15:20* vagrantc tries to fire up cdpinger manually
15:20
<jmbp>
sbalneav: thanks anyway... apparently is new and from what i've read, i has problems with the ubuntu kernel... ubuntu live cd does not recognize it...
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<vagrantc>
ah, a tasty traceback.
15:21
well, that would explain it
15:21
<sbalneav>
Tracebacks = findable problem
15:21
<vagrantc>
NameError: global name 'call' is not defined
15:22
the part where it starts ssh ...
15:23
yeah, i don't see anything defining "call"
15:23
is there a missing subproccess import or something ?
15:24
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: can you try something with the thincan? delete /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ztv_drv.so and see if autoconfiguration works better?
15:27
<vagrantc>
from subprocess import call
15:35
now it seems like it's not using the socket or somethng
15:36
<sbalneav>
Sorry, phone call.
15:36
Q-FUNK: I can try that tonight.
15:36
<vagrantc>
hrm. and now just hung on login
15:36
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Hm, wonder why it works on mine.
15:36
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: probably differences in python versions ?
15:36
<sbalneav>
hold on, lemme look back in the changelogs...
15:37
what version's in Deb? 2.4?
15:37
<vagrantc>
yup
15:37
2.4.4
15:39
<sbalneav>
Whoa
15:39
add this at the top
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<sbalneav>
from subprocess import *
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<vagrantc>
so with "from subprocess import *" or "from subprocess import call" i get some authentication errors showing up on tty1
15:47
you know, the old ... "Permission denied (publickey,password)." business
15:47
which i *think* is coming from cdpinger
15:50
<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: alrighty. thanks!
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<vagrantc>
hmmm... now i seem to have hung gnome
16:02
and rebooting the server doesn't even fix it ... gah.
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<vagrantc>
ok, i think i'm figuring it out ...
16:18
sbalneav: figured it out!
16:19
sbalneav: it was calling the socket without the full path
16:20
why gnome is all kinds of flakey, well, that's another story.
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16:24
<klausade>
vagrantc: your patch to scripts/add_fstab_entry regarding LOCALDEV_FIXEDVISIBLE, how does that work together with backported ltsp 5.0.8debian3 ?
16:24
<vagrantc>
klausade: first off, that's not my patch.
16:24
klausade: secondly, i don't know how it works, and have no intention of including it.
16:24
well ...
16:25
klausade: it's an ugly hack at best, and we need to find some better way.
16:25
i don't remember how it works
16:25
that's more accurate :)
16:26
<klausade>
vagrantc: aah, me is enlightend.
16:26
<sbalneav>
Cripes, that's a bug
16:26
grr, I'll fix tonight.
16:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: it's buggy for ubuntu as well ?
16:27
<sbalneav>
yep
16:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: glad to be of service :)
16:27
<sbalneav>
cd's I hadn't tested yet.
16:27
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: is the subprocess thing needed too ?
16:27
<sbalneav>
Actually, I spent time and re-implemented it in C, launchable by udev now
16:28
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: right. that sounds better in the long run.
16:28
<sbalneav>
It actually calls add_fstab_entry and remove_fstab_entry
16:28
and even uses volname to name cd's nicely.
16:28
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i think "from subprocess import call" is all you need, instead of "import *"
16:29
<sbalneav>
But ogra's a poopyhead, and wants to leave it for hardy :)
16:29
Actually, probably for the best :)
16:29
I'm just being facetious.
16:29
err
16:29
<jammcq>
hello gentlemen
16:29
<sbalneav>
that's not right
16:30
hey jammcq
16:30
No, it was right.
16:30
<jammcq>
are we having fun today?
16:30
<sbalneav>
We are, as per usual.
16:30
<vagrantc>
monday's have been my LTSP days.
16:30
<jammcq>
vagrantc: you gonna be in boston for uds ?
16:30
<vagrantc>
jammcq: hope so
16:30
<jammcq>
cool
16:30
<sbalneav>
Wednesday's washing, Friday's trash day :)
16:31
Well, time for me to head out, jammcq, you gonna be on later tonight?
16:31
<jammcq>
yepper
16:31
<vagrantc>
freegeek's closed on mondays, so i can focus on LTSP and have a messload of hardware to test on
16:31
<sbalneav>
Coolio. See you all then!
16:31
<jammcq>
ciao
16:31
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'll have some patches for ya tomorrow
16:32
<slidesinger>
hey jammcq
16:32
<jammcq>
hey slidesinger, how you doin?
16:32
I was listening to some Miles Davis a couple days ago and it reminded me of you
16:33
<slidesinger>
Quite well, thanks. Working on LTSP 5 install for a computer school
16:33
<jammcq>
oh, cool
16:33
<slidesinger>
What have you been up to?
16:33
<jammcq>
well, mostly busy with some non-ltsp stuff
16:33
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'll push my ltspfs patches and try and get a new ltspfs into debian...
16:33
<jammcq>
I still try to pay attention to what's going on, but sbalneav, vagrantc and ogra are doing all the real work
16:35
<slidesinger>
Nice when you're busy, but not too busy for life. That's where I have finally reached.
16:36
<jammcq>
cool
16:37
<slidesinger>
Believe it or not, Chip is already 8 and Becca is 6. I have to be careful not to blink or they'll be in college.
16:37
<jammcq>
i've got one graduating from college next may
16:38
<slidesinger>
It just passes too quickly.
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<slidesinger>
Well, I have to jet. Be back around 8 EDT
16:39
<jammcq>
cool
16:39
see you then
16:39
<slidesinger>
Right, until then.
16:39
<jmbp>
hi... does anybody have had success booting clients with 82562v2 Intel NICs?
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<joebob777as7>
sbalneav, you on?
17:00
I just reinstalled completely on a new box and on my workstation i'm getting "this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server"
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<joebob777as7>
this is on thin client trying to connect to server
17:12
<Gadi>
try: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
17:16
<joebob777as7>
still no worky Gadi ...
17:17
<Gadi>
if you have a different IP for eth0 than default, add SERVER=<ip> to lts.conf
17:17
and try again
17:21
<joebob777as7>
nice it doesn't even exist...
17:21
<Gadi>
joebob777as7: is that feisty or gutsy?
17:21
<joebob777as7>
Gadi, do i have to do an entire ltsp-build-client?
17:21
gutsy
17:21
<Gadi>
ah...
17:21
<joebob777as7>
running an amd64 server so i built an i386 client
17:21
<Gadi>
you can add an lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
17:22
<joebob777as7>
then just put [DEFAULT]
17:22
and SERVER=10.0.0.1?
17:22
<Gadi>
yeah
17:22
correct
17:22
(though, default may be lowercase - not sure if its case sensitive)
17:26
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: patches for cdpinger and such: http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltspfs/vagrant-ltspfs/
17:26
sbalneav: oh, looks like you made your own patches ...
17:27
sbalneav: well, at least one patch
17:27
<joebob777as7>
Gadi, while the image is rebuilding do you know if there is a way to make a symbolic link for every newly created user automatically upon creation or do i need to just log in for everyone and do it?
17:29
<Gadi>
joebob777as7: 1. you needn't rebuild the image
17:29
but i guess its too late this go-around
17:30
just put lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
17:30
it will be grabbed via tftp on boot
17:30
2. to do anything for anyone upon login, you can add a file to /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
17:30
just make sure it happens early
17:31
does not 'exit' (as these scripts are sourced
17:31
and does not have a chance of throwing up any nonzero returns
17:31
otherwise you won't login at all
17:31
:)
17:34
<joebob777as7>
nice thank you gadi it worked!
17:34
<Gadi>
np
17:35
<bricode>
Gadi: In gusty, if you use an explicit xorg.conf, where does it get sourced? /opt/ltsp/etc/X11/xorg.conf or somewhere else?
17:35
<Gadi>
you can add XF86CONFIG_FILE directive in lts.conf
17:35
so, say you make it: /etc/myxorg.conf
17:35
you put it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/myxorg.conf
17:36
<bricode>
Gotcha.
17:36
<Gadi>
dont forget to reroll the image
17:36
<bricode>
Yeah, I know.
17:36
It takes forever.
17:36
<Gadi>
best things come...
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<bricode>
Gadi: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf overrides all of the other lts.conf configs in /opt/ltsp/i386 right?
17:39
<Gadi>
yup
17:40* bricode just wants X to work on his thin client in Gutsy.
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<vagrantc>
gah. ltspfs isn't unmounting the floppy device when the user logs off
17:45
bricode: you have to use full paths for defining an X configuration file
17:45
XF86CONFIG_FILE will still work, but the new name is X_CONF
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<bricode>
vagrantc So, X_CONF = /etc/myxorg.conf or X_CONF = /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/myxorg.conf?
17:46
<vagrantc>
bricode: /etc/myxorg.conf
17:46
bricode: if you place it in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/mxorg.conf
17:46
<bricode>
vagrantc: Gotcha. Thanks.
17:46
vagrantc: The AMD driver isn't playing very nice yet. I'm just trying to get vesa to work for the moment.
17:47
<Gadi>
is this the stock amd driver in main?
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<bricode>
Gadi: Yeah. Oddly it works on a regular system, but doesn't like the LTSP environment. I'm still tracking down the cause.
17:50
Yay geodes.
17:51
<Gadi>
bricode: I have noticed the amd driver doesnt like it when you dont specify the frequencies in xorg.conf
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<Gadi>
ie, horz and vert
17:52
<bricode>
Gadi: Humm. Tricky. That would kind of make autodetection blow up pretty quickly I would imagine.
17:52
<Gadi>
well, it depends which autodetection method
17:52
the feisty one, there was a cheat for
17:53
the gutsy one, I think I haven't yet submitted a patch for so that one can cheat
17:53
:)
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<bricode>
Gadi: You submitting patches to Jordan Crouse?
17:55
<Gadi>
nah, this one would be to ogra
17:55
:)
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<Gadi>
I haven't had too much time to test the amd against gutsy's new autodetect yet
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<loather-work>
how do I get the ltsp-config thing to stop outputting garbage about the wacom tablet
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<loather-work>
'cause with that wacom crap in there, X doesn't exactly work
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: so, did ubuntu drop the whole "mount into /tmp" idea ?
18:05
sbalneav: nothing seems to remember to unmount the fuse mount for floppies
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<loather-work>
does the nfs client in the ltsp-feisty.*.tar.bz2 image expect the server to be nfsv4 or something
18:17
?
18:20
<vagrantc>
no
18:21
<loather-work>
it says something about nfs over tcp not available from the rootserver
18:21
however, it is
18:23
<vagrantc>
are your DHCP server and NFS server the same server ?
18:23
<loather-work>
for the time being, yes
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<jammcq>
helloooooooooo
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18:45
<bricode>
You gents have been doing some nice work with that NFS going away stuff.
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<bricode>
How does the change away from NFS affect a fat client ltsp setup?
18:50
<vagrantc>
no different
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<jammcq>
well, except for the fact that the image sent to the client will be MUCH bigger
18:51
<vagrantc>
it doesn't read the whole image, does it ?
18:52
<jammcq>
umm, well.... it's gonna read what it needs
18:52
and if it needs a local app, that's alot more stuff to send over the net
18:52
but I suppose no worse than reading it via nfs
18:53
<vagrantc>
the reads will be compressed ... so less network traffic, less load on the server, and more CPU on the client.
18:55
<bricode>
So I imagine you could still use ogra's Workstation plugin to ltsp-build-client or chroot into a place and do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop right?
18:59
<vagrantc>
only difference is you have to re-generate the image after making any changes to the chroot
19:00
<loather-work>
so, no thoughts on this nfs thing? i can see the nfs client coming through on tcp/sunrpc, and the response going back to the client
19:00
<bricode>
Yeah, that's okay. Does it mount the image as r/w on the client so that any changes made to it are saved?
19:00
<vagrantc>
loather-work: are you able to mount from the server?
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<vagrantc>
loather-work: mount -o ro,nolock 127.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp/i386 /mnt
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<loather-work>
vagrantc: yup. i moved it from a somewhat working 6.10 to the feisty tarball
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<vagrantc>
loather-work: you're using nfs-kernel-server ?
19:05
<loather-work>
the kernel nfsd, yeah
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<loather-work>
yeah, i can't see any reason why this wouldn't work.
19:34
<vagrantc>
i've seen that error before, and been baffled by it for hours ... and then something clicks.
19:34
not that that's very helpful ...
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<loather-work>
:p
19:44
yeah, sadly ...
19:44
the last nfs problem I had was due to fedora's nfsd init script stupidity
19:45
apparently, the pseudofilesystem /proc/fs/nfsd needs to be mounted in order for the kernel nfsd to actually work
19:45
however, fedora's scripts neglect to mount this
19:52
<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
19:56
<loather-work>
(beam me up?)
19:56
(sorry, i couldn't resist.)
20:00
<sbalneav>
Gee, never heard that one before.
20:04
<loather-work>
i know, completely unclever and unimaginative (and probably somewhat annoying)
20:06
<bricode>
Does LTSP mount the new squashfs image as r/w so that any changes are kept?
20:07
<sbalneav>
No
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<sbalneav>
The squashfs is mounted readonly
20:10
<bricode>
Gotcha.
20:10
Groovy.
20:11
I'll have fat client results tomorrow.
20:15* vagrantc doesn't envy the person setting up the squashfs for a fat client
20:15
<vagrantc>
that'll take a long, long time to compress :)
20:16
slow enough with a smallish chroot
20:17
<bricode>
vagrantc: Yeah. Now do it on a Geode LX 800.
20:17
I should have my head examined.
20:18
But I've got my reasons.
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<vagrantc>
bricode: that's your server ?
20:21
<bricode>
vagrantc: We'll call it a proof of concept.
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<ari_stress>
morning
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<loather-work>
anyone around?
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<vagrantc>
so, it seems like getting the whole alsa -> pulse magic enabled on debian largely amounts to about 3-6 lines in /etc/asound.conf
21:41
<loather-work>
this is me hoping that it's about the same amount of effort on fedora.
21:41
<joebob777as7>
if i chmod the /etc/skel file in a certain way can i make it so all future created users are bound only to their own home folder?
21:41
<loather-work>
however, i have larger targets at the moment: specifically getting the thin client to, oh, I dunno, boot? :)
21:42
<joebob777as7>
loather-work, what's the issue?
21:42
<loather-work>
thin client says: NFS over TCP not available from 10.0.0.1
21:42
However, it is.
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<loather-work>
Shortly above that, I see, "short read: 0 < 28"
21:42
<joebob777as7>
oh nfs... can't really help with that... sry
21:43
<loather-work>
yeah. i have a feeling it's a client-side issue, as I know this nfs server works fine
21:44
<vagrantc>
loather-work: are you aware of the bzr branch i did that theoretically added support for fedora ?
21:44
<loather-work>
no I am not
21:45
<vagrantc>
it was just a couple calls to yum, and added the hooks to mkinitrd to generate a network bootable initramfs
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loather-work: there's a post on the ltsp-developer list from a few weeks ago ...
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<loather-work>
ok, as soon as i can find the archives i'll take a look
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<vagrantc>
there wasn't much to it ... but i never was able to test it
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<loather-work>
you were the author of this post?
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nevermind, i was searching the wrong list
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<vagrantc>
yes
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<vagrantc>
well, gotta go ...
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<Q-FUNK>
morning!
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sbalneav: bryce on #ubuntu-x might know how to get a more useful output.
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<sbalneav>
ok, I'll check there
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<Q-FUNK>
sbalneav: I'd suggest running /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script as a way of gathering allbasic data.
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<sbalneav>
Never seen that before. How do I run it?
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<Q-FUNK>
from command line
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on debian, it's used to gather all sorts of useful information about the X setup being used.
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<sbalneav>
I run /usr/share/bug/xserver-xorg-core/script, and just get a ton of errors.
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<Q-FUNK>
ubuntu doesn't use "reportbug" so it doesn't get used there.
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oh?
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with 'sudo' ?
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<sbalneav>
I'm root on the terminal
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<Q-FUNK>
really odd
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that indicates worse problems than we thought
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the script itself shouldn't fail
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really odd
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that's worth reporting in itself
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bryce and the guys would definitely wanna know
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oh. gotta run
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bbl
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<loather-work>
yeah, looks like vagrant's fedora mods just don't work
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i'll have to tackle him tomorrow about it
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bbl.
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