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Channel log from 31 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
i have priblem with atftpd
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problem*
01:25
can you help me?
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<sbalneav>
m_pahlevanzadeh: What's the problem?
01:34
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
sbalneav, when i use ltspcfg, it tell me tftpd is run but i must config it manually
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<sbalneav>
Possibly
01:35
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
sbalneav, how i do it?
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<sbalneav>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/TFTP
01:36
Have a look there.
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
sbalneav, ty
01:36
<sbalneav>
ok, I'm heading to bed.
01:36
Late here.
01:36
Goodnight.
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
what's path of tftpd-hpa?
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
what i do choose path of tftpd-hpa?
02:35
<lindi->
m_pahlevanzadeh: dpkg -L tftpd-hpa?
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
kindi, plz w8
02:37
lindi, plz w8
02:38
<lindi->
?
02:38
<m_pahlevanzadeh>
lindi, /var/lib/tftpboot
02:39
lindi, i have a question: may i have put a file in this directory?
02:39
<lindi->
depends on what you are doing :)
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<m_pahlevanzadeh>
lindi, i have got tarball ltsp-5 on debian
02:40
lindi, i have extracted it in /opt/ltsp/i386
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<ibt>
join #ubuntu
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<gvy>
hi
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<Envit1>
Hola a todos desde España
05:13
Hello all from Spain
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<gvy>
hi Envit1
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<ogra>
Q-FUNK, bah http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8629441/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-i386.mkelfimage_2.7-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
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<Q-FUNK>
odd. it builds just fine on debian.
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<ogra>
seems it needs -f-no-stack-protector
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have to check if thats an allowed option
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(not now, busy with ldm, i just stumbled cross the build log)
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<gvy>
ogra, -fno-stack-protector
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<ogra>
gvy, ah, thanks
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<Q-FUNK>
do I need to add this to the package's compiler environmnet?
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<gvy>
Q-FUNK, to CFLAGS, yes
08:33* Q-FUNK checks his debian/rules
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<Q-FUNK>
DEB_CONFIGURE_SCRIPT_ENV, i asume?
08:37* gvy skims over ~/RPM/SPECS/*.spec :-)
08:41
<ogra>
you already have DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS
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just append it there
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<Mineque>
hello
08:46
<monteslu>
anyone seen Eric Harrison? He's gone MIA from the k12ltsp mailing list
08:46
haven't heard anything about k2ltsp7 and starting to get nervous
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, extra flags. right.
08:47
<gvy>
Mineque, hi
08:47
<ogra>
monteslu, i met him in portland last week
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we talked briefly about k12 appretly he doenst manage to get ltsp5 in so he's curretnly trying to assemble something based on the old stuff
08:49
<monteslu>
ogra, thanks for the update.
08:49
I'm taking next week off of work to update my son's school
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was hoping to use the latest and greatest
08:49
<ogra>
then you shouldnt use k12 :P
08:49
<monteslu>
hehe
08:50
seems like a bunch of people on the list are switching to k12ltsp based on centos5
08:50
<ogra>
still no ltsp5 :)
08:50
<monteslu>
yeah, but I'm not ready to go to ubuntu
08:51
been doing redhat since 5.1
08:51
<ogra>
debian-edu ?
08:51
<gvy>
ouch
08:51* gvy began with rh4.x
08:51* ogra too and quickly switched to something easier
08:51
<gvy>
but that sucked bitterly, frankly -- their fat packaging is flat out hideous :(
08:51
<ogra>
yeah
08:51
thats what drove me to debian back then
08:52
<monteslu>
one thing that bothers me about *buntu is the lack of wine updates, fedora is usually only a week out
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<gvy>
but that's all a matter of taste... i'll try not to get started on that again (and on ubuntu too, yeah :)
08:52
<ogra>
right, personal preference rules :)
08:52
<monteslu>
I do have my mother in law on kubuntu though :)
08:52
<gvy>
monteslu, well you can try altlinux, there's very competent wine build there
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and ltsp5 too
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<ogra>
its just that, from a technical ltsp POV its bad to use smething else than ubuntu/debian ...
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<monteslu>
I'll probably got to unbuntu next, just because of the size of community they've built
08:53
<gvy>
but as ltsp5 doesn't really have an upstream it's rather spring's snapshot not an ogring edge :)
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<ogra>
simply because 4.x is unmaintained and doesnt see any security love anymore
08:53
gvy, ?
08:53
<gvy>
ogra, well there _is_ something ;-)
08:54
ogra, re recommendations to rip tarballs off ubuntu pool
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<ogra>
https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-drivers feel free to join upstream :P
08:54
<gvy>
instead of some usual "neutral" upstream
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<monteslu>
7.04 has ltsp5 included right?
08:54
<gvy>
ogra, i do remember :)
08:54
<ogra>
ltsp5 is in ubuntu since 6.10, yes
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7.04 has the best supported ltsp5 atm
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<monteslu>
what about things like sound fixes for flash and...
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thumb drives on thin clients
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<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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comes all with it out of the box
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flash needs one external package (flaky license, sorry)
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<gvy>
monteslu, well in alt they do work (guess ogra will admit they do on ubuntu as well)
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<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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<gvy>
heh ;) in alt, there's even flash package
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and nvidia/fglrx too
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<monteslu>
I'm kind of in a pinch. Lost two of my developers at work, don't have a whole lot of time to learn something new.
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<ogra>
gvy, libflashsupport from adobe ? that forbids redistribution is in alt ???
08:56
<gvy>
monteslu, ouch... finding devs and getting 'em on the wing isn't really gonna make it in august yeah?
08:57* ogra cant belive that
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<gvy>
ogra, nope, a plugin
08:57
<ogra>
gvy, well, thats in ubuntu as well ...
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<gvy>
there might be a separate distribution agreement
08:57
<ogra>
flash has a bug adoe refuses to fix with pulse ...
08:57
<gvy>
ah
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<monteslu>
gvy, yeah. I'm taking time off to rebuild the ltsp deployment at probably the worst time
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<ogra>
there is only this one lib that can fix it
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but they dont release it freely
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i'm in negotiations with someone at adobe to get the fix into flash prper
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<gvy>
ogra, alsa-plugins don't do too?
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<ogra>
yeah
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some
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<monteslu>
I have an smbldap server and 2 tlsp servers and 60 thin clients... just all that figured out last summer, changing distros is gonna be tough
08:58
<ogra>
i didnt try oss or jack ... but the pulse plugin doesnt work without
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<ogra>
gvy, i'm trying to get the lib into gutsy, feel free to pull it into alt then ;)
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but the license stuff needs to get fixed first
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and on the long run flash needs fixing instead of using a workaround lib
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<gvy>
pff :) tnx
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<ogra>
does alt switch to compiz by default as ubuntu does with gutsy ?
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<chupacabra>
nice thinclient article in Linux Journal this month.
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<ogra>
yeah
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even though it only demostrates the old stuff (he didnt feel keen enough to try out debian or ubuntu) pfft
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but its a nice praise indeed
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<gvy>
ogra, nope
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that's not considered usable enough
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at least not yet
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<ogra>
it has a ton of usability advantages
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you just need to pick the right stuff and leave out rubbish like wobbly windows
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<gvy>
i knew it but "usable" seems much like selinux here: right defaults profile
09:06
<ogra>
nah
09:06* gvy . o O ( fixing wmaker to support ARGB would be nice too :( and wdm )
09:06
<gvy>
but those are pretty dead right now
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<ogra>
selinux is crap that blocks your work depending o the settings ... compiz is somethig that enables or imroves you work depending on the settings :)
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<gvy>
or distracts :)
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...d o t s :)
09:07
hm. DOTS == depending on the settings
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<ogra>
not if your default doesnt add distracting stuff ;)
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compiz has a ton of useful modules that totally improve desktop handling
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<ogra>
and make a lot of a11y stuff obsolete ... (think zooming)
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sbalneav, !!
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!s
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<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning ogra
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I did a ton of work yesterday
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<ogra>
your ldm fixes didnt help the crasher
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<sbalneav>
hm
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<ogra>
but disabling compiz did, mvo is already fixing it
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<sbalneav>
ah
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<ogra>
seem the check routine that triggers gxinfo made the X server crash
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<sbalneav>
However, ctl-alt-bkspace should recycle now, yes?
09:09
<ogra>
*glxinfo
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yes
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<sbalneav>
and login should reset after 3 failed attempts
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<ogra>
its a bit clinky with the 3 attempts still
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but it works at least
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enough to have it in tribe 4 ;)
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<sbalneav>
define "clinky" :)
09:10
<ogra>
i meant clunky ....
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<sbalneav>
So I knoe what to fix :)
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<ogra>
seems the 3 attempts also allpy to the expired stuff
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which needs one extra <enter> after the pw is supposed to be updated
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<sbalneav>
hmm, ok, I'll check that.
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<ogra>
then the dealy could be shorter, it appears like its crashed with "login failed"
09:11
<sbalneav>
ok, I've got a 5 second delay, I can shorten it.
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<ogra>
i'd also look into switching the window to sensitive(false) if any action is happening
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s/also look/also like to look/
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but that polish ...
09:12
*that's
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<sbalneav>
The main thing from my POV is to get lang, session, and host in there now.
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<ogra>
right
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<djon>
help please with problem, I from Russia, has installed LTSP on ubuntu 7.04 all like it is correct, but after start the client of the terminal to appear this /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
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(initramfs)
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<sbalneav>
How much time before T4?
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<ogra>
and sort out the small usability errors
09:12* ogra looks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
09:13
<ogra>
9th
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<sbalneav>
I should bookmark that. :)
09:13
<ogra>
so we'll freeze on monday 6th i think
09:13
<cliebow_>
tribe4 will be when?
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<sbalneav>
djon: it's not mounting your nfs chroot.
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<cliebow_>
djon:you are on feisty which i rthink means..heh
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<sbalneav>
djon: check your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf, and make sure the address range is the same as the ethernet card you're hanging the terminals off of.
09:15
ogra: here's what I'm thinking for the lang/sess
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in the ldm screen script, telnet to the ldminfo port, and write a file to somewhere with the information.
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<sbalneav>
that way, the greeter doesn't have to do network access, but just read a file.
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thoughts?
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<ogra>
sbalneav, btw nfs is still in there, its a matter of two variables and one update-initramfs/ltsp-update-kernels to switch over
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<sbalneav>
lol, ok, you saw that conversation. Cool.
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<ogra>
sbalneav, sounds fine
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<sbalneav>
I wasn't sure.
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<ogra>
it will need to contact every server in the list ... so we can have files related to them
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that restricts the list to the selected server automatically
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sounds like a plan
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<sbalneav>
okie
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Then I'll get coding :)
09:18
<cliebow_>
You two rock!!
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<ogra>
no hurry
09:18
what we have now its good enough for a tribe release :)
09:18
<sbalneav>
Well the sixth is only a few days away :)
09:18
it's a huge improvement
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<ogra>
i'll megre it today and push up a fresh package
09:19
<sbalneav>
oh, crap
09:19
want me to yank the cancel button?
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<ogra>
that'd be nice
09:19
<sbalneav>
I haven't done that yet.
09:19
gimme 5 minutes
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<ogra>
i'll merge again on the monday before freeze
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so no hurry needed :)
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<cliebow_>
ogra:so updating is ..toss the chroot and ltsp-build-client?
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and image
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<ogra>
right
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<cliebow_>
8~)
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<ogra>
thats called by -build-client
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<cliebow_>
k
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<ogra>
sbalneav, vagrant was crying btw, he doesnt keep up with our speed of major changes :)
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<sbalneav>
Dude! What's he complaining about! :)
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<chupacabra>
hehe
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<ogra>
he doesnt manage to get ldm2 running on debian
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<sbalneav>
I got a wife, two kids, and a full time job, and I'm MAKING the changes :)
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All he has to do is compile 'em :)
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<ogra>
and doesnt really understand how my nbd switch wrks :)
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<cliebow_>
he's not half the man you are...;~)
09:23
<sbalneav>
Well, by weight, few people are :)
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<ogra>
weight wise ... indeed he isnt, he's a vagrant :)
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<cliebow_>
you are just big boned
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: is there a LP bug number to mention for this build failure ?
09:24
<chupacabra>
Scotty singlehandedly runs Canada's IT.
09:24
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, nope
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<sbalneav>
I wish.
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<ogra>
pitti just pointed it to me
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<sbalneav>
If I did, it'd all be running Linux :)
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<ogra>
you can mention the FTBFS in the changelog if you want ... that might help
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<chupacabra>
sweet but I thought it was. hehe
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<sbalneav>
FTBFS? Full Time Broken Fricken Server?
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<gvy>
under WTFPL of course?
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<sbalneav>
Wanted to ask djon if he had any Grey Poupon. :)
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<Q-FUNK>
doh!
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<ogra>
sbalneav, how about having /var/lib/ldm_functions
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thinking about a "in_client" function that automatically prefices rc scripts with the ssh and tunnel options
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so you source the ldm_functions in your rc scrit and just call "in_client gconftool2 blah ...."
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<sbalneav>
In /var? or /usr/share? Not being obstreperous, but what's the policy on what goes in var/lib vs /usr/share? I've never understood the difference.
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<ogra>
/usr/lib would be appropriate as well, .../share/ shouldnt have binary stuff
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s/binary/executable/
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<sbalneav>
ah, ok
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<ogra>
share has usually data ...
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<sbalneav>
ok
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<ogra>
icons, themes etc
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lib/ has modules, scripts etc
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<sbalneav>
okiedoke. Makes sense.
09:32
I'm on Hollidays for the next 3 weeks or so. Might be out camping for a few nights, but most evenings I should working on ldm. I gotta go and make breakfast for my hungry brood. I'll be afk for a bit, but back later.
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<ogra>
enjoy
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(and dont code so much, its *holidays* man!)
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<cliebow_>
i second that..Go barkm at the full moon a little..cook some marshmallows
09:45* gvy just from linuxfest
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<gvy>
was *sweet* :)
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: it seems that this thing has an even more broken makefile than i thought. I tried http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/m/mkelfimage/mkelfimage_2.7-3.dsc but it doesn't even catch the variable.
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<cliebow_>
Gadi:Hey hey!!
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: and yet it builds cleanly on debian.
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<Gadi>
morning, cliebow_
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et al ;)
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<cliebow_>
\o/
10:24
O
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\o/
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O
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<gvy>
\8/
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<cliebow_>
ahh doiuble c hi..
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n
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<Gadi>
dont do drugs unless you brought enough for the rest of the class
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<Q-FUNK>
:-P
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<cliebow_>
Gadi: i can pass out some cigs..
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<gvy>
one less
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<Gadi>
cliebow_: did you have a new baby or something?
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<cliebow_>
no..i quit them so i have lots to pass around..so i can bum em back 8~)
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no not really..
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a cig now would knock me on my errr derriere
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<joebaker>
ogra: Who else here works closely with integrating PulseAudio?
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I posted to a NoMachine forum that I wished they would integrate
11:00
support for PulseAudio into NoMachine.
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After a couple weeks someone from there replied to me asking
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if I'd be interested in doing it for a "bounty".
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<ogra>
joebaker, well, go ahead :) i dont know anyone else but me and MrMoo
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<joebaker>
Maybe one of you would like to try to help out with this.
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I don't think I'd get it right. I've played with PulseAudio
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and sometimes it works for me sometimes it doesn't.
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<ogra>
well, we use pulse only for the transport
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on the client side there is an emulated alsa device
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s/client/session/
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on the terminal itself pulse hooks in to the default alsa device
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<joebaker>
I see pulseaudio running on the client side, but you're saying that
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<ogra>
right
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<joebaker>
it dumps audio over to an alsa device.
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(emulated)
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<ogra>
using the native and the esound tcp plugins
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<joebaker>
Does it make sence to you to have NoMachine move in this direction?
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<ogra>
in the session we have an alsa device that points to the puls plugin ... the pulse plugin uses the network transport to get the stuff over to the pulse server on the thin client ... there the server just plays it through the default alsa interface
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i dont care about no machine we cant support it in ubuntu ...
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as long as they dont fix their code i wont care for them ... and to be honest i'd rather see them working o their stuff to fulfill their three year old promised to make the stuff useable in every distro than seeing them adding pulse support :)
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<joebaker>
There's a Google employee working on the FreeNX project now. That's his job basically.
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<ogra>
really ?
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<joebaker>
yes
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<ogra>
are you sure thats not a sumer of code student ?
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<joebaker>
not sure.... I can forward you his
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<ogra>
nah, its fine
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<joebaker>
introduction letter so you can communicate with him.
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<ogra>
i'm really not intrested in NX ... if we ever get proper packages i'll happily integrate them ...
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if he needs to know about pulse stuff in ltsp i'm fine to help out though
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<joebaker>
He's in Google Ireland.
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<exodos_>
ogra: I have a question about pulseaudio
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<gvy>
joebaker, well we're interested in NX
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joebaker, could you lend a contact?
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<joebaker>
diamond@google.com Stephen Shirley
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<exodos_>
are you using libflashsupport for flashplayer?
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<gvy>
tnx
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<ogra>
exodos_, you need to
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<joebaker>
gvy welcome.
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<ogra>
exodos_, flash has a bug leaving a gazillion of connections open with some asound modules, libflashsupport works around that
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the puse module is one of them
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<exodos_>
ogra: is it crashing ff every 5 min for you?
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<ogra>
nope
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<exodos_>
especially on sites like youtube
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<ogra>
worked fine on feisty and works fine on gutsy
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<exodos_>
:/
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<ogra>
with the ubuntu flash package and the libflashplayer from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
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err
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<exodos_>
I'm using fiesty, I have lastes libflashsupport sources from svn, and ff crash on every second clip
11:12
<ogra>
libflashsupport indeed
11:13
i didnt try any svn stuff
11:13
<exodos_>
i tought it can help, but it didnt
11:14
do you know hav can i try to debug it?
11:15
<ogra>
use something thats not bleeding edge ? :)
11:16
(i.e. not svn sources)
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<exodos_>
I started with packages from http://pulseaudio.vdbonline.net/libflashsupport/ on feisty. After I've instlled it ff stared to crush.
11:19
I tought it can be fixed in latest sources, thats why i've tried svn
11:20
<ogra>
well, others are able to use it without crashers ...
11:22
<exodos_>
ok, thx
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<sbalneav>
ogra: You like that rc.d eh?
11:35
:)
11:36
Hey, I haven't had the 30 seconds to look at it, but could we squash the "multiple logins" bug by writing an rc script that will pop up a message? A warning should be good enough for now.
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<staffencasa>
Quick question, my thin clients do not have an outside connection, but the server does. I am booting via PXE. What should I do or where should I start looking? Anyone?
11:41
<chupacabra>
Do or start looking for what?
11:41
<staffencasa>
a solution as to why I can't browse the web on a client
11:42
<chupacabra>
since the thinclient is runnong on the server it should be able to browse with no problem.
11:42
When you pull up firefox what does it do or say trying to go to google.
11:44
<staffencasa>
it says "server not found Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com"
11:44
<chupacabra>
does your server have a monitor attached?
11:44
<staffencasa>
yeah
11:44
<chupacabra>
and you can browse from there?
11:45
<staffencasa>
yep
11:45
something missing from the lts.conf file maybe?
11:45
<chupacabra>
or the dhcp setup. wrong gateway?
11:46
<staffencasa>
im using 192.168.0.1 for both, should gateway be 1.1?
11:46
192.168.0.1 is ip and gateway
11:46
<chupacabra>
it should be whatever the GW is. More than likely the same subnet.
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<chupacabra>
what does ifconfig on the server say for GW
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<gvy>
route -n
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<gvy>
not ifconfig
11:55
<chupacabra>
rather route -n
11:55
hehe
11:55
<gvy>
:-)
11:56
<chupacabra>
I taking calls while chatting here so it all runs together
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<chupacabra>
i almost said ipconfig
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<staffencasa>
I monkeyed with it a bit. The client's running firefox in kiosk mode, so it's a bit harder to do anything on the client
12:16
<cliebow_>
ogra:thank you for ldmScripts
12:17
<gvy>
staffencasa, btw which fullscreen ff plugin is used, if any?
12:19
<staffencasa>
I don't know, I did a ltsp-build-client --kiosk
12:21
<cliebow_>
staffencasa:can you ssh into server?
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<staffencasa>
our programmer just wrote me a customized script to do everything. It works now
12:23
I could paste it to pastebot if you want to see it
12:25
<cliebow_>
sudre!
12:25
heh sure!
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<ltsppbot>
"Staffencasa" pasted "IP Tables" (109 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/245
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<cliebow_>
8~)
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<dorphalsig>
Hello
13:16
I'm running XUBUNTU Feisty
13:16
and I'm trying to have local devices
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however I cant seem to get itworking
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I plugin the USB memory
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and go to /mnedia
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but I dont even see a /media/user directory
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kin any1 help me_
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?
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pls?
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<cliebow_>
sorry: i know sbalneav and ogra were helping someone with just this yesterday
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<dorphalsig>
I just followed the wiki but nothing
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:(
13:21
brb
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<fgiraldeau>
Strange, when I install ldm with make install, it install in /usr/bin, but in the package, it's in /usr/sbin
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<cliebow_>
nxclient broken in gutsy?anyone know?
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: build fixed.
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<LTSP>
Are client sound and local devices like usb working on the latest X/K/Ubuntu series of LTSP? I have LTSP setup on Kubuntu 6.10 and haven't been able to get client sound to work (other than out of the server's speakers...). Suggestions for links I should look into?
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<markit>
hi, ignorant newbie questino... I've a dhcp server set up to provide IP and other info to ltsp client, but I would love the same "server pc" to provide dhcp also for laptops or other devices besides ltsp (and possible in a different range), how could I solve this?
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<Q-FUNK>
dhcpd.conf
15:47
create a different subnet
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<markit>
Q-FUNK: but when I connect a device, how can dcpt tell what subnet it belongs to? do I have to have 2 nics int he server, each with a different ip range?
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<Q-FUNK>
that's one way to do it
15:49
<vagrantc>
markit: why do you want them to be in a different range ?
15:49
<Q-FUNK>
another is to assing ip addesses by mac address
15:50
<vagrantc>
the extra stuff DHCP gives out for LTSP shouldn't interfere with getting DHCP for your laptops
15:51
<markit>
vagrantc: I've no idea, because I've yet to start thinking deeply about the problem, but I think that gateway and other stuff that will make my laptop surf internet are different from the ones needed by ltsp clients, aren't?
15:52
and having a clear division based upon ip range should help have everything ok
15:52
(range or better class, if possible)
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<markit>
but I'm abit confused, probably... how do you solve this situation?
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<LTSP>
markit: Your clients will be looking for the latches to start booting from the server in addition to DHCP. Other machines will just pull DHCP from your server (if it is set up to be the network's primary DHCP or "authoritative" in dhcp.conf. Best if you only have one only one DHCP source on the network.
15:55
<markit>
"latches"?
15:56
<LTSP>
Markit: my current setup gets DHCP from the network router at the internet connection and has a fixed LTSP server IP address. Normal machines get their IP and surf while clients draw from the LTSP server.
15:57
hooks latches buckles and buttons.. just words not any technology meanings.
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<markit>
LTSP forgive my ignorance, but when you connect a device to your switch/hub, how does it know where to grab info? form your network router or from your dhcp ltsp server? that's what I don't understand
16:03
<vagrantc>
it broadcasts
16:03
you'll want LTSP machines on a separate switch
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<LTSP>
markit: I remember the note about a separate switch to cut down on traffic with non-client pc's.
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<markit>
I will not have traffic problems (bandwidth), just would like that a ltsp client plugged/booted will grab ltsp-related info from the server, while a laptop or whatver once plugged will get internet-related info from the same pc/dhcp server
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<vagrantc>
you will either want to disable DHCP on your router, and have your LTSP server handle DHCP.
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<LTSP>
markit: You'll be ok with both needs. How many clients are you setting up? Home or business?
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<vagrantc>
markit: basically you should only have one DHCP server on any given physical network, or madness ensues.
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<markit>
vagrantc: but how can it make work? when I connect a ltsp client, how can dhcp know that has to assign ltsp related info, and not internet ones? that's what I don't understand
16:12
<LTSP>
markit: activating the "authoritative" option in LTSP dhcp.conf file will allow for times that the server may be down but other people want to surf with a standalone pc/laptop - which will need your router to hand out IP addresses.
16:13* vagrantc has never found settingle "authorative" to help.
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<vagrantc>
your LTSP clients will still get problems.
16:13
markit: set everything up to give all the relevent info.
16:14
markit: it depends on how YOU want to set it up. and i can't walk you through the steps at the moment.
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<markit>
ok, thanks a lot anyway, maybe I'm too confused and ignorant to ask the right questions :)
16:16
<LTSP>
vagrantc: only problems I had with multiple dhcp servers were with an old hub, switches seemed ok. Then my network is small too (3-5 clients + pc's).
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markit: do you have a spare pc to do some testing on? That's the best way - build up a box and try it out. take notes of settings as you go.
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<LTSP>
markit: Here are the steps... I'm sharing because this group got me on track when I set up my first LTSP up two years ago (which I've repeated a few times)... install base X/K/Ubuntu desktop, get terminal open, sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server, sudo ltsp-build-client, sudo nano /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf (change IP addresses), sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart, sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys. Then get a couple of bo
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<markit>
..bo?
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<salaud>
hello... I have a question about LTSP on ubuntu... hope this is the right place.. I need to know how to make a different screen come up by default.. I have both an ldm session on one screen and rdesktop on another
17:07
I always get ldm... I've tried changing screen numbers and some other things... no luck
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<vagrantc>
salaud: paste your lts.conf to the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<shale_>
i'm converting a bunch of our old machines to pxe-booting ltsp boxes, a few of them don't give me any video after linux loads.... can anyone give me any tips on where i should start troubleshooting that?
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<cliebow_>
shale: give vesa a try
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<shale_>
how do i do that?
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<cliebow_>
in feisty create n lts.conf
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[default]
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xserver=vesa
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in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
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<shale_>
if i do that, will it mess up my other clients with working video?
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<shale_>
ok, i learned a lil more
19:22
question: if i want to put sections in my lts.conf for unique machines, what is the syntax for using mac addresses?
19:22
[00:12:34... ?
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or [001234... ?
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<cliebow_>
[00:56-->]
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<shale_>
roger
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thanks
20:15
is there an easy way to test that a client's section in lts.conf is actually getting run?
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i have
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[00:0E:0C:D8:5D:5A]
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XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/X11/xorg.conf.gx1
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the xorg.conf.gx1 is a copy of the xorg.conf that knoppix generated in that machine
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sound like i'm on the right track?
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<vagrantc>
shale_: sounds reasonable
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<shale_>
good
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altho, it doesn't work :)
20:25
which is weird, since knoppix boots and loads X just fine
20:25
or maybe i'm being over simplistic
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<vagrantc>
/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf.gx1 on the server ?
20:26
<shale_>
oooo no
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<vagrantc>
i.e. the file paths in lts.conf are relative to /opt/ltsp/i386
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<shale_>
thanks
20:26
<vagrantc>
it's an easy oversight
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<shale_>
bingo!
20:36
so how does it work... ltsp takes the server's xorg.conf as a template, detects the thin clients stuff, and then writes its own xorg.conf?
20:38
<sbalneav>
Yep, something approximating that.
20:38
<shale_>
thanks :)
20:40
so when i use the XF86CONFIG_FILE line in lts.conf, does it over-ride that behavior?
20:41
<sbalneav>
Yup.
20:41
Uses THAT exact config.
20:41
<shale_>
and doesn't do auto-detection?
20:41
<sbalneav>
Nope
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<shale_>
its weird, when i put a client's mac as the title of a subsection it borks being able to login via rdp
20:58
is it trying to do a lookup or something against the mac?
21:05
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
21:05
!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"shale_" pasted "lts.conf" (24 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/246
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<shale_>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/246
21:10
<sbalneav>
take out the "LIKE = default"
21:10
you don't need it.
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<shale_>
ok
21:11
unfortunately the wife just called and its time to get my ass home!
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har har
21:12
gonna have to revisit this in about 15 hours
21:12
thanks :)
21:18
<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: realy cool your work for LDM
21:18
<sbalneav>
busy busy :)
21:19
Did ogra talk to you today about nfs ?
21:19
<fgiraldeau>
Are you working on the host selection for now?
21:19
nfs : nop
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<sbalneav>
Apparently, all you need to do is change a variable in the initramfs, do and update-initramfs, and a ltsp-update-kernel
21:20
so it's still in there.
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<fgiraldeau>
ok, cool, thanks.
21:20
Well, I think I will enable it for the devel, because I lose time to rebuild the squashfs every time.
21:22
I want to verify with you if it's ok if I add a radio button to switch between automatic and manual host selection.
21:22
<sbalneav>
I don't think it's needed.
21:23
If it's automatic host selection, the host selection procedure should just return one host.
21:23
If it returns multiples, then it's understood the user can choose.
21:26
<fgiraldeau>
Ok, well, scripts roles are not about the same. I will do as I think, and you may correct me later.
21:26
my branch is : https://code.launchpad.net/~francis-giraldeau/ltsp/ltsp-fgiraldeau
21:28
One thing with the login, is that if the host is not responding, there is a long timeout...
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<sbalneav>
I know for a fact adding more user interface elements to the main screen won't get approved. Anything that complicates the users choices generaly doesn't get approval for inclusion. What would be really useful is getting the bits in that you have regarding the maintenance of the available hosts, and which one is least busy.
21:33
<fgiraldeau>
Ok, thanks for the tip.
21:33
I do have a strong concern about things that are simple.
21:33
<sbalneav>
What concern?
21:35
<fgiraldeau>
To prevent the use of another widget, the first item in the drop down list could be "Automatic selection"
21:35
Is that better?
21:38
<sbalneav>
If automatic selection by the sysadmin is the desired mode, why not simply somehow select the host, via whatever algorithm, and just return the one host selected?
21:38
<fgiraldeau>
What concern?: I'm trying hard to keep things simple. I do wish to make things easy for the user.
21:38
<sbalneav>
right, so providing them with more choices makes it harder :)
21:39
if the SCRIPT simply selects one host, and that's the one they log in to, they're none the wiser.
21:41
Typically, one assumes the administrator wants automatic host selection to be the mandated default.
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i.e. I've got a farm of 20 servers, and I want control over who logs in where.
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So my host selection script will pick ONE host, based on whatever criteria I come up with, and the user simply logs into that box.
21:42
<fgiraldeau>
Should the select host menu be disabled if there is only one server?
21:42
<sbalneav>
It probably should.
21:43
Because, I don't know how YOUR users are, but here's what would happen in my office...
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One day, one of the servers is down, and there's a delay logging in
21:43
<fgiraldeau>
ok
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<sbalneav>
One of our intake department figgures out of she selects "host 5", she can get in.
21:44
She therefore runs around, and tells everyone in intake "OK, everyone log into host 5"
21:44
<fgiraldeau>
And the server 5 got overloaded I presume.
21:45
<sbalneav>
since this works, they then make it an internal intake department policy to ALWAYS select host 5.
21:45
<fgiraldeau>
god
21:45
<sbalneav>
and for the next 5 months, you wonder why host 5's always overloaded, despite your fancy load balancing efforts :)
21:45
This happened to me
21:45
not with hosts.
21:46
but with selecting the "gnome" desktop at the login screen.
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One time, something broke, and they had to re select it.
21:46
So, for months, every time they logged in, they MANUALLY RE SELECTED the gnome desktop :)
21:46
<whiprush>
imo the users shouldn't see anything.
21:46
<sbalneav>
'till I found out about it. :)
21:46
<whiprush>
it shouldn't matter to them if I have 1 server or 1000
21:47
(hi scotty and francis!)
21:47
<fgiraldeau>
hi
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<sbalneav>
If the sysadmin CHOOSES to give them a choice, then fine. Have a drop down list. But in my opinion, all that good work that Francis did on the maintenance of host lists should be quiet, and automatic, and the user should never know.
21:48
The sysadmin's the only one who needs to know that. :()
21:48
:)
21:48
fat fingers
21:48
<whiprush>
yeah I have a tough enough time them accidentally picking the wrong language and stuff
21:50
<sbalneav>
fg-bot: !status
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<fgiraldeau>
If I push the reasoning to the limit, the dialog box for server choosing may not be necessary at all.
21:51
fg-bot: that's for logging : http://downloads.revolutionlinux.com/ltsp-irc-log/ltsp.log.txt
21:51
<sbalneav>
Well, no, I like the idea of giving the sysadmin the choice of providing a list.
21:52
if they want. And there may be reasons why you would.
21:52
But I think in something like MXT, you'd just want to provide one hostname.
21:52
because you want to strictly enforce the scalabilty.
21:53
And having it as an external script means you can call it RIGHT before login
21:53
so you're assured the best possible host.
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<fgiraldeau>
I would have let the user choose any of the server, or let the system choose for him.
21:54
In the simple load distribution, random is used.
21:55
With ltsp-loadbalancer, then it's this component that select the best server.
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<fgiraldeau>
I'm pretty sure you will like the implementation...
21:56
I promess you that I will not add widgets :)
21:56
<sbalneav>
:)
21:56
<fgiraldeau>
hehe
21:56
<jammcq>
sbalneav: fgiraldeau really knows how to pick great wine
21:56
<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, it rocks
21:57
<sbalneav>
So you're familiar with gnome programming?
21:57
<fgiraldeau>
A bit
21:57
I'm using qt usualy.
21:57
<sbalneav>
hey jammcq
21:57
ah.
21:57
<jammcq>
hey scotty
21:57
<sbalneav>
You know, the plan is to eventually have a qt greeter as well.
21:57
for the kubuntu people
21:58
<fgiraldeau>
I must move away from the room... I will get disconnected for few minutes.
21:59
<sbalneav>
If you want to look at the host selection parts, I need to handle the lang and session handling. I can work on them, and leave the hosty bits for you.
21:59
Then I can just merge from you.
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<fgiraldeau>
sbalneav: it's ok for me.
22:03
The language selection is a bit tricky. On wich of the hosts in the list will you query for the information?
22:05
For the kubuntu and kldm thing: well, I don't realy mind myself. I prefer to get one ldm that works perfect than to have a gldm and kldm that half works.
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<sbalneav>
Well, we'll need to query each of the hosts in LDM_SERVER
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As for the k vs g, etc. It's the same ldm, just a different greeter.
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<fgiraldeau>
If all servers are the same, you may query only one server?
22:13
<sbalneav>
Good question.
22:13
<fgiraldeau>
If we want to support heterogeneous servers, then you must have the information about each servers.
22:13
<sbalneav>
right.
22:13
<fgiraldeau>
Then, if you select a particular language, only the servers that support this language will be used.
22:14
<sbalneav>
Yikes.
22:14
lets save that for next release.
22:14
We've only got 3 weeks before feature freeze :)
22:14
<fgiraldeau>
But for now, I think you prefer to assume that each servers are the same, right? :)
22:14
<sbalneav>
yeah.
22:14
Simple to start, we'll get fancy later :)
22:14
<fgiraldeau>
Yeah, realy, well I should hurry up!
22:15
I would like to get another hook for the configuration in the lts.conf. Later on, but realy soon.
22:16
Does the feature freeze is only for 7.10 or also for 8.04?
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<fgiraldeau>
Well, let's talk about this tomorrow.
22:20
Have good dreams all
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