IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 20 August 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:05
<mealstrom>
good mondays morning =-O
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07:16
<Hyperbyte>
mealstrom, hey!
07:18
<mealstrom>
hi Hyperbyte.
07:18
<Hyperbyte>
:)
07:19
How are you?
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07:23
<mealstrom>
i've rebooted my ltsp server with uptime of few months with fingers crossed.
07:24
and i need one more reboot
07:24
<Hyperbyte>
You're running LTSP?
07:24
Why aren't you on the worldmap?! :P
07:24
<alkisg>
!worldmap
07:24
<ltsp>
alkisg: worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
07:24
<Hyperbyte>
:-D
07:24
<mealstrom>
hehe :)
07:24
nice try
07:24
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I would be a faster cowboy than you :P
07:24
<Hyperbyte>
Nice try? We need some more people to add pins there man... it looks pathetic now. :P
07:27
<mealstrom>
okey okey. you ve won :D.
07:27* mealstrom is writing story
07:27
<Hyperbyte>
Yay! :-D
07:28
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: for greek schools, what would be the best? One story with many pins, or each school should enter its own story?
07:29
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I think you have to decide that for yourselves
07:29
I think it makes sense if you add one story, explain how you've been working to bring LTSP to schools all over Greece
07:29
And then add a bunch of pins for all the schools
07:29
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: also, is it possible to have a URL that zooms e.g. into Greece?
07:30
<Hyperbyte>
Would be easiest
07:30
alkisg, yes, I'll make that.
07:30
<alkisg>
The problem with the "central story" is that then the schools won't be able to enter their own data
07:30
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, exactly. That's the downside.
07:30
<alkisg>
They'd have to go through me, because I'll be the one with the edit link...
07:30
...and I'm not sure I want to manage hundreds of pins without some automation...
07:32
<Hyperbyte>
What exactly would you like from me? :-)
07:33
<alkisg>
Can each school link to the same central story, and only add a small comment about its specific setup?
07:33
<Hyperbyte>
What exactly do they want to add?
07:33
What kind of info?
07:34
<alkisg>
Number of clients, distro, version... the pin data, not the story data
07:34
<Hyperbyte>
Sure. But it'll be the same link as the one used to edit the entire story.
07:34
So all schools could edit the entire story. Not sure if that's problematic for you?
07:35
<alkisg>
I don't think so, although maybe some teacher could wipe a few locations by mistake...
07:36
<mealstrom>
firefox doesnt want me to finish story...
07:36
<Hyperbyte>
You could say "use this link" (direct link to add location) and then give instructions to not edit anything further after clicking 'add location'
07:36
mealstrom, explain?
07:36
If there's bugs I'd love to know.
07:37
<mealstrom>
Hyperbyte: just hangs eating 100 cpu. dont know why.
07:37
<Hyperbyte>
Huh
07:37
When you clicked on something?
07:37
Or just at some random point?
07:37
Might be some javascript bug somewhere
07:37
<mealstrom>
some random.
07:37
<Hyperbyte>
Although there's hardly any javascript in there
07:38
Question - did it happen while you were editing data in a textarea?
07:38
<mealstrom>
i havent reloaded my pc for about a 14 days with open Firefox
07:38
Hyperbyte: yes.
07:39
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: any semi-automated way to transfer the existing locations from http://goo.gl/maps/nOoQ ?
07:39
<mealstrom>
weeee... my text was saved :D
07:40* mealstrom continues to print
07:40
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm
07:40
mealstrom, I think there might be some possible infinite loop in the javascript
07:41
I've made it a bit more safe now. It'll adjust the height of the textboxes slower on copy/paste, but there's no more 'while' statements so no risk of loops.
07:41
alkisg, I'm not sure.
07:42
Can you export the data there somehow?
07:42
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: ltsp 5.4 missing from the combobox
07:42
<Hyperbyte>
My "locations" database just contains a story_id and longitude/latitude plus details about number of clients, etc.
07:42
<alkisg>
Sure, exporting the data would be my job
07:42
I can send you a .csv with the data you want
07:42
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, then we can do business. :-)
07:42
<alkisg>
Cool
07:43
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I was thinking I should also add ltsp-pnp and kiwi-ltsp maybe there in the versions
07:43
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: maybe some checkboxes there
07:43
[x] thins [x] fats [x] localapps [x] ltsp-pnp etc
07:44
<Hyperbyte>
Bit late with feedback like that. ;-)
07:44
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: I'm thinking central story ==> english, label descriptions ==> greek, sounds ok?
07:44
*location descriptions...
07:52
<Hyperbyte>
Sure
07:52
Moment
07:52
(I've added 5.4 by the way)
07:53
For adding a whole bunch of locations to one story, I need to know per location:
07:53
<mealstrom>
ive added my story :D Ukraine->Xcity
07:54
<muppis>
netland
07:54
<mealstrom>
please note if you've found any grammar mistakes )
07:54
<muppis>
Dman autopopup :)
07:54
<Hyperbyte>
- descriptive name of the location ("Greek Institute of Science", "Alkis G. High School", etc)00000
07:54
- country ("Greece")
07:55
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: wait a minute, let's give those some thought
07:55
<Hyperbyte>
- longitude
07:55
- latitude
07:55
- Linux distribution
07:55
- LTSP version
07:55
- number of clients
07:55
- number of servers
07:55
<alkisg>
From a dev/supporter view, I'd like to know how many people prefer e.g. fat clients over thin clients, how many use localapps etc
07:56
And since you sum all that up in the central story... maybe we can use it to get good feedback, not just publicity
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07:56
<Hyperbyte>
mealstrom, yay! Nice. :-)
07:57
alkisg, you mean you'd like to know per-location if it's thin/fat/localapps/pnp?
07:57
<alkisg>
I don't mind so much if it's per location or not, I just care about the sums, but it's easier for people to enter them by location, so yeah
07:57
<mealstrom>
how about to add some flag like: add more information ?
07:57
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, by the way, the worldmap is definitely not 'just for publicity' :)
07:58
mealstrom, there is. :-) On the link you've recieved (the main page of managing your story) there's a link to add more details
07:58
<alkisg>
Sure, one can see the prefered distro/ltsp version etc, but it'd be nice to have more stats there
07:58
<mealstrom>
Hyperbyte: can you add this to main form?
07:58
<Hyperbyte>
mealstrom, we seperated it to keep the form from being intimidating. :)
07:58
But I'll consider making it stand out more.
08:00
<mealstrom>
okay. imagine situation: i've entered wrong email.
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08:01
<alkisg>
So basically what I'd like to know... Number of servers: [1], Number of thin clients: [8], Using localapps: [x], Number of fat clients: [10], Using ltsp-pnp: [x]...
08:01
<mealstrom>
there was no email check, and i've got it in my mailbox. So first one: i've entered wrong email, second: email hasnt arraived yet.
08:02
OMG. ive got email to google spam
08:03
you should add DKIM signature to pass gmail default spam filter
08:03
<Hyperbyte>
mealstrom, interesting. I need to add some more body to the e-mail (text-wise)
08:05
alkisg, alright. I'll think about those for a bit and then get back to you. :)
08:06
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: also... the locations editing will get problematic if one story has e.g. 200 locations
08:06
You have connected 2 locations with this LTSP story. => imagine a web page showing all 200 locations
08:06
The location description should show up for more than e.g. 5 locations
08:07
(and not the little map)
08:09
<Hyperbyte>
Also good suggestion
08:09
<alkisg>
Finally, in the global map pins, the location description should show up to discriminate between them
08:10
<Hyperbyte>
Yep, I already have that one.
08:10
Location description was added later in process
08:11
<alkisg>
What we put more in our "location" pins: school web site, and person in charge of the school lab. Not sure if those would fit in the ltsp.org stories...
08:13
<Hyperbyte>
Unfortunately, person maintaining LTSP and website URL are part of story, not location
08:13
I -could- of course, add several stories based on one template.
08:14
I mean, if I can add 200 locations to one story from a .csv I could as well just add 200 seperate stories from one story template.
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08:15
<alkisg>
Nah, I think in our case schools == more of "locations" than stories
08:15
It's the same setup, maintained/documented etc centrally for all greek schools
08:17
<Hyperbyte>
Would it be problematic for you if there weren't links to all websites of schools and info about who's maintaining LTSP?
08:26
<alkisg>
No, no
08:26
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/viewstory/?story_id=8&secret=ed1d48
08:27
Hyperbyte: why is there a secret in the "public view" link?
08:28
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, when I coded it, it seemed logical to prevent someone or something from sucking the database dry, including getting to stories we deactive
08:28
Now I'm not entirely sure it's necessary, but shouldn't hurt I think.
08:28
<alkisg>
Sure, as long as the URL to the story doesn't change frequently
08:29
So that we don't need to update e.g. the wikies that instruct the teachers to add their location
08:29
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, they shouldn't.
08:34
alkisg, check world map. I've changed it around a bit
08:41
<alkisg>
Cool, the description shows up now :)
08:42
<Hyperbyte>
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/worldmap/?country=Greece
08:42
Next you're gonna ask if you can specify width and height as well, I bet.
08:43
<alkisg>
Haha nah it's good enough
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08:46
<Hyperbyte>
You sure? ;-)
08:46
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/worldmap/?country=Greece&width=800&height=600
08:47
<alkisg>
Awesome :)
09:03
<mealstrom>
Hyperbyte: You need to change yours email body text. Gmail think its spam -- few lines of message and link to site.
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09:05
<mealstrom>
you can try to personalize email adding First Name and Last Name with info like: you have received this massage because someone has typed it in site ... Also gmail likes link to delete or unsubscribe.
09:44
<Hyperbyte>
mealstrom, yeah, like I said:
09:44
10:03 <Hyperbyte> mealstrom, interesting. I need to add some more body to the e-mail (text-wise)
09:44
:)0
09:44
<mealstrom>
oh, have missed that.
09:50
any plans to add user registration on ltsp.org?
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09:51
<mealstrom>
situation: i've delited email from ltsp to edit my story, or email was deleted by server as spam or something like this. how to edit it ? :)
09:52
<alkisg>
Click on the "get link to edit the story" from the site
09:52
Reminder mail
09:53
<Hyperbyte>
:-)
09:53
mealstrom, no, we chose to not have user registration on purpose.
09:55
<mealstrom>
alkisg: if entered mail was incorect? :D
09:56
maybe make approve to story via email validation ?
09:56
<muppis>
mealstrom, how you received the mail anyway if you entered incorrect address at first place? o.0
10:34
<Hyperbyte>
Right. I'm an advocate of the idea that you just enter the correct e-mail address.
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<mealstrom>
muppis: i didnt say that i had input wrong email. I just imagine situation if i entered wrong one, what should happen.
12:53
<muppis>
mealstrom, ah.
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13:37
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: if google maps can't find our address, can we put a more known address nearby, and then move the pin?
13:38
(it doesn't allow me to move the pin...)
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<stgraber>
ogra_: around?
13:54
<ogra_>
yep
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<stgraber>
ogra_: do you have up to date instructions on getting pxe boot working on a panda? I'd like to get rid of that last work item before FF
13:57
ogra_: I have the tftp part figured out, but the panda doesn't seem to like booting from it...
13:58
<ogra_>
hmm
13:59
how does the boot hang ?
13:59
do you get into an initrd or does it die before ?
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<stgraber>
dies before
14:03
I can get u-boot to grab the files from tftp, load kernel and initrd in memory, then it hangs there
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14:09
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, no, you can't drag pins... you can edit long/lat manually
14:09
<alkisg>
Yeah but that's not something we can expect users to do :-/
14:11
<Hyperbyte>
Well, then you enter address nearby and leave pin there. :P
14:11
But are there seriously addresses in Greece that Google Maps simply 'doesn't know'?
14:12
<alkisg>
Sure, thousands of them
14:13
And I imagine in other countries as well
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<ogra_>
stgraber, hmm i didnt have to do aynthing special for PXE ... but then i also only booted into the initrd to wget the image and dd it to the SD
14:52
are you using the u-boot from the archive ?
14:52
(latest quantal)
14:53
<stgraber>
ogra_: nope, was using one from rsalveti's blog as the one I pulled from the archive seemed to lack netboot
14:53
<ogra_>
hmm
14:53
mine defaults to PXE here if it cant fine any mmc partition
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<stgraber>
let me grab the latest one and retry :)
15:03
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, well, I'm not sure how Google Maps would allow me to "drag" a marker
15:04
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: maybe then we should have a wiki page about "cannot find your address? click here" and show instructions there telling the users how to copy their long/lat from google maps
15:04
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, that might work
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16:10
<mikec>
So, when a user logs in to ltsp-cluster, does their entire session run off of the one application server that the load balancer chose for them? Or is there also a way to launch specific apps using the lbserver process again?
16:11
For example, I have users that log in and get ApplServerA, but I want R software to choose between AppServerX,,Y, or Z, because those are larger compute servers
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17:50
<stgraber>
ogra_: oh, I think I know what the problem is, I need to get ltsp to run mkimage
17:51
<ogra_>
++
17:52
<stgraber>
ogra_: what's the best way to get the uImage generated? trick flash-kernel inside the chroot or do a manual mkimage run outside of the chroot when copying to /var/lib/tftpboot?
17:52
<ogra_>
something like that ...
17:53
i was planning to work on a cli tool to make actual use fo the flash-kernel functions independently ... but didnt get to that yet
17:53
<stgraber>
I guess the easiest would be to tell flash-kernel that I want it to generate the equivalent of the vfat fs for a given target platform
17:54
<ogra_>
what i would do in the ltsp case is to just source the functions file from /usr/share/flash-kernel
17:54
then you can make use of the functions that create the bootloader bits
17:54
flash-kernel itself will try to hardcodedly write to your boot device
18:05
<stgraber>
107 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T kernel -C none -a 0x80008000 -e 0x80008000 -n "Ubuntu Kernel" -d vmlinuz uImage
18:05
108 mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0x0 -e 0x0 -n "Ubuntu Initrd" -d initrd.img uInitrd
18:06
ogra_: ^ that gave me something that remotely looks like a working kernel and initrd, except that now it kernel panics ;)
18:06
<ogra_>
how ?
18:06
<stgraber>
[ 0.000000] Kernel panic - not syncing: ERROR: Failed to allocate 0x100000 bytes below 0x0.
18:07
making me think something is off with the memory range for the initrd
18:07
<ogra_>
try dropping -a and -e
18:07
<stgraber>
oh, that or my mem= is completely wrong
18:08
<ogra_>
drop it, quantal doesnt need it anymore
18:08
<stgraber>
yay!
18:08
<ogra_>
our default image only sets ro quiet and splash
18:08
<stgraber>
nice
18:08
<ogra_>
boots ?
18:09
<stgraber>
will know in a few seconds, PXE is much slower on the panda than on x86 ;)
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18:09
<stgraber>
btw, any hope of updating http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/quantal/main/installer-armhf/current/images/omap4/netboot/ to use the current boot flags and use preEnv.txt?
18:09
yay, boots!
18:09
<ogra_>
awesome
18:09
<stgraber>
well, nbd fails but that's my fault ;)
18:09
<ogra_>
yeah, i'm working on converting the world to preEnv.txt
18:10* ogra_ has to go now ... but i might be back later for a few mins
18:10
<stgraber>
cool, thanks for the help!
18:10
just need to push that stuff upstreaam now
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20:25
<stgraber>
debugging an armhf initrd is really painful...
20:26
trying to figure out why the initrd loads but it somehow doesn't mount the squashfs
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21:33
<Mip5>
Hey Gang - what's the best way to add users to a new ltsp system? I'm running ubuntu 12.04.1
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21:40
<Hyperbyte>
Mip5, man useradd
21:40
Or, read up on LDAP - but that's far more complicated
21:41
<dead_inside>
and far more awesome
21:43
<||cw>
Mip5: same as any server/workstation
21:46
<Mip5>
Thanks - I was looking at useradd, but was wondering whether there was some preferred way. I'll get on it.
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23:05
<Mip5>
actually used newuser filename, where filename contains usernames, passwords, group name, home directory, in a form like that of /etc/passwd. Seemed to work nicely, and was fast.
23:05
Night all!
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23:07
<stgraber>
ogra_: ok, I now have a booting pandaboard using only stuff from ltsp-trunk!
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