IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 July 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:27
<joulez>
hello what version of ltsp is localapps supported from?
00:30
<vagrantc>
quite a while now, what versions are you looking at using? on what distro?
00:31
<joulez>
we are running 5.1.10-2
00:31
debian (lenny)
00:34
<vagrantc>
support for lenny was dropped about 5 months ago...
00:35
<joulez>
we are stuck on it for the moment (some legacy apps)
00:35
<vagrantc>
you could get localapps support with an ltsp backport, if backports.debian.org still supports lenny-backports.
00:36
<joulez>
see what it pulls in.
00:36
<vagrantc>
or build a squeeze chroot on a lenny server
00:37
first version in debian to support localapps was 5.1.17-1
00:38
squeeze and lenny-backports had 5.2.4-2
00:41
<joulez>
lenny-backports is no more, unless its archived somewhere.
00:42
found it http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/backports.org/dists/lenny-backports/
00:42
<vagrantc>
if i recall correctly, it was a pretty trivial rebuild, you could download ltsp, ldm and ltspfs sources from squeeze and rebuild if you have to
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00:48
<joulez>
thanks.
00:51
<vagrantc>
but if archive.debian.org has it, you could get it from there too
00:55
<joulez>
running wheezy at home, kde 4.8 is awesome.
00:56
can you run kde 4.8 as a local app? or are we going fat client?
00:58
<vagrantc>
running a window manager as a localapp will effectively make all the programs is starts localapps as well
00:59
at which point, you're better off going fat client
01:01
<joulez>
ok thanks.
01:01
gunna try this.
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01:59
<joulez>
hi, how do i force ltsp to use NFS?
02:00
<vagrantc>
on ubuntu?
02:03
<joulez>
oh i see it.
02:03
its ok i guess debian squeeze changed over to nbd ?
02:06
ok boots now.
02:06
<vagrantc>
no, debian defaults to NFS
02:06
but most versions of ltsp include an ltsp-update-image which automatically converts to using NBD, but there's no need to run ltsp-update-image on Debian
02:06
<joulez>
what rewrote my /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default?
02:06
oh i ran it :/
02:07
<vagrantc>
recent versions of ltsp-update-image actually do some meaningful sanity checking, finally! :)
02:07
it's also much easier to switch back and forth now...
02:07
<joulez>
cool
02:07
<vagrantc>
but that's with ltsp 5.4+
02:08
<joulez>
yes i really want to get off lenny here.
02:25
ltsp-localapps xterm, doesn't do anything, is ltsp-localappsd supposed to be running on the server or the client? I don't see it running on the client, but its installed.
02:25
<vagrantc>
ltsp-localappsd should be running on the client
02:26
<joulez>
i have LOCAL_APPS=True
02:26
<vagrantc>
what version are you running?
02:27
<joulez>
5.2.4-2~bpo50+2
02:28* vagrantc vaguely recalls a version minimum of openssh-server 5+ on the server.
02:29
<joulez>
1:5.1p1-5
02:29
ltsp-localappsd isn't running on the client anyhow.
02:30
<vagrantc>
it's been so long since i've used such an old version...
02:30
<joulez>
ok
02:30
<vagrantc>
hard to remember what the status should be
02:31
joulez: ldm version?
02:31
joulez: does "ltsp-info" return anything?
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04:39
<joulez>
hello again.
04:40
i'm going to have one more at getting localapps working.
04:40
i got this far. x192-168-2-47 ltsp-localappsd: Executing command as username jules: xterm
04:41
but I see it does. su - ${LDM_USERNAME} -c
04:41
which would fail on the client, any suggestions?
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04:51
<joulez>
oh this wont work, trying to update openssh but it pulls in libc6 which breaks everything.
04:51
oh well till we upgrade to squeeze.
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05:24
<joulez>
oh wait..
05:25
i use zsh and off course theres no zsh in the client fs
05:25
of
05:25
hmm...
05:27
oops that did it.
05:27
=]
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07:59
<Andy2>
hello
08:03
can someone help me with my problem that in my ltsp cluster environment the user can't login with autologin but sometimes it works
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08:59
<baptiste>
Andy2, how can a user autologin? is this based on the thin client's MAC address?
09:01
never thought of that, but a client that autologins can serve as a public computer, it would work and look like a standalone computer but would only be a user account on ltsp machine behind the scenes
09:02
<muppis>
I run my htpc that way.
09:02
<baptiste>
:)
09:03
so you have the "hybrid client" setup with video player working on the local box?
09:03
<muppis>
So I can make htpc virtually any pc which can boot to ltsp.
09:04
Special user account for that. :D
09:05
<baptiste>
can you choose the desktop environment per user? i.e. lxde, or fluxbox instead of gnome
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09:06
<muppis>
Sure.
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09:25
<Andy2>
baptiste: yeah this is based on the thinclients MAC address. I wrote in the lts.conf from the root server the entry [MAC] LDM_USERNAME=[USER] LDM_PASSWORD=[PASS]
09:25
and i am using xfce4 as my desktop environment
09:32
baptiste: sorry, checked it again and i saw that we use the IP address. and we give the clients a IP address based on their mac address
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09:52
<joulez>
hello, after getting localapps working for debian (lenny), this client was rather weak to deal with firefox+flash anyhow, sad.
09:53
<muppis>
As localapp?
09:53
<joulez>
yeah
09:54
i did ltsp-localapps firefox
09:54
<muppis>
Clients CPU and RAM?
09:54
<joulez>
its a t5730
09:55
http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12888_div/12888_div.html
09:55
AMD Sempron 2100+ 1 GHz
09:55
512MB ram
09:56
ATI Radeon X1250 graphics
09:58
<muppis>
Oh well... Those guys little outdated.
09:59
<joulez>
aw
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10:30
<baptiste>
thanks all. I did have the ltsp "Administrator's Reference" printed and assembled, it's a joy. chapters about chroot, sound, login manager, xorg, printers etc.
10:34
that thin client with the sempron 64 @ 1GHz : it's not that bad, about the performance of an Atom. more powerful than tablets - but those simply don't run flash. Sure, the web is terribly heavy.
10:35
the flashblock extension is hugely useful, I always install it. I'd need to deploy it to new or existing user accounts
10:42
<joulez>
i thought it would cope.
10:44
its not a 64 though.
10:45
to be honest firefox performed better served from the server (dell poweredge).
10:45
it loaded quicker too.
10:47
baptiste: i was actually comparing playing a youtube video.
10:48
<baptiste>
does the video play back better from the client?
10:48
<joulez>
at standard size
10:48
yes.
10:49
<baptiste>
but running 50 tabs.. that must kill it
10:49
<joulez>
50 tabs?
10:50
<baptiste>
I mean, heavy use of web pages will be slow on the client no matter what
10:50
I'd make it run out of memory too
10:50
<joulez>
yeh
10:51
i think /home is mounted over ssh as well.
10:51
sshfs
10:51
to think i once had a ppro150 with windowmaker and thought it was fast.
10:52
firefox is a memory hog.
10:52
<baptiste>
this is where a solution with expensive microsoft licenses, and branded thin clients can give you best of both things : everything is done on server, except video playback which is beamed to the client - with hardware decoding even
10:53
<joulez>
well
10:54
looked at NX?
10:54
i'm using it now, its pretty damn fast.
10:54
<baptiste>
not really
10:55
where I used ltsp, the bearded geek set it up to use VNC. pretty fast too! clients were P2 233 with 64MB ram
10:57
youtube video was usable in small window. there was no sound (nor money for speakers anyway)
10:59
when I used vnc on home computers (windows xp, ubuntu 10.04) it was a lot slower, dunno why.
10:59
<joulez>
NX does it differently
11:00
but that said, theres also wayland
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11:18
<Andy2>
has someone knowledge with autologin?
11:19
<muppis>
http://i.imgur.com/aPw3R.jpg :D
11:20
And wrong channel..
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<joulez>
muppis: :)
11:21
so we are shaped from clay.
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11:22
<joulez>
so who shaped me!
11:22* joulez is frightened
11:23
<muppis>
Andy2, just tell your problem then someone might know how to help.
11:25
<Hyperbyte>
Hi everyone!
11:25
<Andy2>
I have a LTSP cluster with autologin and sometimes I can automatically login and later not. I looked at the app server if it depends on them but it is like random. In my syslog i get nbd_server disconnect request received. I don't know where the problem is.
11:26
<joulez>
Andy2: from the same client?
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11:28
<Andy2>
joulez: Yes, I just have one client I can start from here.
11:30
<joulez>
i don't see how auto login has anything to do with your problem, but i'm just guessing.
11:32
<Andy2>
i don't know what else the problem should be, because it was working when i had no autologin
11:33
<joulez>
can you paste your lts.conf ?
11:35
<Andy2>
[Default]
11:35
LDM_SESSION=xfce4-session
11:35
LOCAL_APPS=True
11:35
LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
11:35
LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS=firefox,freecad,flash
11:35
SEARCH_DOMAIN=XXXX
11:35
DNS_SERVER=10.99.99.1
11:35
RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/chmod-resolv.sh
11:35
LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True
11:35
[10.99.99.57]
11:35
LDM_USERNAME = user120
11:35
LDM_PASSWORD = guest
11:35
<Hyperbyte>
Andy2, you said 'sometimes you can automatically login and later not'... describe exactly what happens
11:35
joulez, Andy2, you never paste on IRC. You use pastebin! :)
11:35
<joulez>
thats what I meant...
11:35
*sigh*
11:35
<Andy2>
Hyperbyte: oh i am sorry. will do it next time
11:35
<Hyperbyte>
joulez, you said paste though. :)
11:35
<joulez>
but..
11:36
don't blame me!
11:36
:)
11:36
<Hyperbyte>
I can blame you all day long if I want to! ;-)
11:36
But luckily for you, blame is irrelevant. :P
11:37
<Andy2>
Hyperbyte: I just start my thinclient and it loads the image after this the windows appears with information about the application server and so on. I press ok and then a few seconds nothing is happening. Then it get darker and the client treies to login on the next server
11:38
<joulez>
sorry, my version of lts.conf only supports mac addresses
11:39
<Andy2>
which version do you use?
11:39
<joulez>
Andy2: put the MAC address of the client you want to auto login not the ip.
11:40
<Andy2>
I will try it
11:42
<joulez>
arp -vn | grep 10.99.99.57
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11:46
<Andy2>
No success. Changed the field where the IP was in to [00:0C:29:6B:63:D4]. But it is still not working
11:47
<joulez>
you have to login?
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11:50
<Andy2>
no the client is just changing the app-server
11:50
<joulez>
do you have to manually login?
11:50
<Andy2>
no
11:51
<joulez>
does LDM prompt you for anything?
11:52
<Andy2>
just a windows with information about the app-server (ip) and my mac. there i have to press "ok". after this the screen gets black and the client changes the app-server
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11:55
<joulez>
Andy2: what distro?
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12:22
<Andy2>
joulez: edubuntu 10.04
12:23
<joulez>
auto login is not your problem.
12:24
<Andy2>
joulez: what could it be? i am clueless where to look
12:25
<joulez>
how many clients do you manage?
12:26
<Andy2>
there are 23 physical clients which i can not start at the moment because i am not there and 2 virtual clients
12:26
<joulez>
all it does is LDM logs in for you...that is all.
12:27
<Andy2>
ah okay so the problem is really somewhere else
12:28
<joulez>
I suggest you go back to a working setup.
12:30
<Andy2>
okay i will try it thanks for your help :)
12:31
or can i try to enable guest login? should nearly be the same or?
12:33
<joulez>
why would that work if what you doing now isn't?
12:34
besides its just a feature (button within the LDM)
12:35
<Andy2>
you are right. was stupid from me...
12:36
<joulez>
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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21:57
<muppis>
Is there a other way to start app at server in fat than using ssh -X ?
22:04
<||cw>
muppis: is there any other way to run a local gui for a remote process?
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<muppis>
I've heard rumors that there could be a chance, but I think in this case answer is no. :)
22:05
(I'm drunk)
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