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when i boot my client i end up in a prompt (initramfs) - at what stage could that happen? where should i investigate first?
Briareos1: check if you have another dhcp server in your network
i have one dhcp server in 192.168.1.0 and one on the ltsp for 192.168.3.0. but the ltsp has an additional interface in network 192.168.1.0 - is that problematic?
If that interfaces is totally isolated (on a seperate switch etc) then there isn't a problem
But if both of them are on the same switch (or many connected switches) then yes, it's a problem
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hmm i got an idea ... it could be that the dhcp of my LTSP is not only bound to that 192.168.3 - interface, but that it also tries to answer in the 192.168.1 interface - I'll have a look ...
Briareos1: no, that's done automaticaly based on its IP - unless you changed it somehow.
Before the initramfs prompt, you should be seeing the output of a program called ipconfig. See the ROOTSERVER line, it should match your LTSP server's IP...
alkisg: the thing is that there's also definitions for the 192.168.1.0 network in the dhcpd.conf -> as we finally want to close down the second dhcp -> finally the ltsp should provide ip's on the 3.-interface AND on the 1.-interface
In any case your LTSP dhcp server shouldn't give you an initramfs prompt, it's the other server that is the problem here...
then I'll disable the second dhcp at very first to see if that's the problem
Sounds like a plan :)
my colleague just said it is disabled :/ I told him to take out the network cable from the 1-interface for testing - the problem persists
Briareos1: ok, what distro/version is that?
8.04 - i just noticed that he only tried one specific (pretty old) client. now he's trying another one
sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default => remove quit splash from there to better see the error messages
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http://pastebin.org/2483 , alkisg, this is what we are seeing. i noticed the DNS are still set incorrectly - but does that matter? 192.168.3.7 is the ip of the ltsp
192.168.3.143 broadcast: 192.168.1.255 ==> looks like your dhcpd.conf is wrong
Can you upload your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
alkisg i'll ask my colleague - actually i am just trying to help him out on me free day (from home), 'cause he needs to solve the problem 'til tomorrow :D
Tell him to join #ltsp (e.g. by visiting http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ltsp), it'll be easier for him...
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there he is - CTShadow - alkisg is helping us - thank you, btw :)
Np.... CTShadow, can you upload your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin?
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dunno where he is
alkisg: hi, thanks for helping. our dhcpd.conf: http://www.pastebin.org/2487
OK as I understand it, the final result you want is for the LTSP server to act as a dhcp server on both interfaces, right?
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alkisg: right, on the one interface the dhcp should work for 192.168.1 IPs and on the other for the 192.168.3 IPs. the 192.168.3 is the LTSP interface
CTShadow: ok, I'll post a proposed dhcpd.conf after I finish something I'm doing...
alkisg: thanks. FYI, i've also pasted the error message i get at the client: http://www.pastebin.org/2488
CTShadow: yes, the main problem is that the broadcasting address if for one network and the IP on the other:
address: 192.168.3.143 broadcast: 192.168.1.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0
sorry, that was an old try, bcast now should be 192.168.3.255 as in the dhcpd.conf
CTShadow: try commenting out the following lines:
option broadcast-address 192.168.3.255;
option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
These are outside of any pools....
Then do: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
And restart a client to see if it got any better
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ive somekind broken my complete system while configuring likewise/winbind - I rebooted and now im not able to login anymore console says:Permission denied, xsession: The System administrator has disabled access to the system temporarily. And atm i cant acces the ubuntuforums.. any ideas?
ah great forums are back
alkisg: have tried it -> still exactly the same
CTShadow: You still get a broadcast address that's out of the subnet?
sorry, that was an old try, bcast now should be 192.168.3.255 as in the dhcpd.conf
CTShadow: is the cable of the 1-interface still detached?
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ogra, isn't that always displayed even if the server cannot be contacted?
address: 192.168.3.143 broadcast: 192.168.1.255 => it couldn't contact anything at all :)
why shouldnt it be possible to contact it ?
yeah, thats surely broken
The broadcast address is outside of the network id :)
but if it still doesnt work i'd suggest checking inetd and nbdrootd etc etc
CTShadow: does the rootserver: 192.168.3.7 ... line now show the correct server NIC?
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Briareos1: no it was not when i tried first, now i've tried it with detatched cable at eth0 -> still the same
i'd say better leave it detached until booting from the clients work, CTShadow
CTShadow: first, let's verify that it gets the correct network settings.
E.g. I don't even see a filename in the pastebin log
It should be something along these lines, assuming your LTSP-facing NIC is the one with address=192.168.3.7:
address: 192.168.3.143 broadcast: 192.168.3.255 netmask: 255.255.255.0 gateway: 192.168.3.7 dns0: 192.168.1.3 dns1: 192.168.2.2 rootserver: 192.168.3.7 filename:ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
If anything of those is missing or is wrong, then it's still a dhcpd.conf problem.
If those are OK, then we can try mounting nbd manually from the initramfs to see the exact error.
alkisg: it gets the IP 192.168.3.143 -> correctnetwork, broadcast: 192.168.3.255 -> correct, netmask: 255.255.255.0 -> correct, gateway: 192.168.3.7 (= the server itself -> correct?), rootserver: 192.168.3.7 -> correct, rootpath: /opt/ltsp/i386 -> correct, filename: <nothing> -> correct?
filename is wrong
The filename is wrong because it's not a PXEClient
It sends a "Linux ipconfig" in that stage
But that's not a big problem, it'll just lose the lts.conf. We'll fix that later.
Ok, let me see the exact nbd mounting command...
right, make sure openbsd-inetd is set up correctly on the server
and inetd.conf has the proper entries for nbdrootd
(ogra, if you have the time, do suggest the specific instructions for what you have in your mind...)
ps ax|grep inetd :)
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
and make sure openbsd-inetd is the actually used inetd:
dpkg -l openbsd-inetd|grep ^ii
The command to try nbd-client is (while inside the initramfs prompt): nbd-client 192.168.3.7 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist
when running ps ax|grep inetd i see that this is running: /usr/sbin/xinetd -pidfile /var/run/xinetd.pid -stayalive -inetd_compat
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ogra: how do i use openbsd-inetd instead of xinetd
sudo apt-get remove --purge xinetd && sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd
and hope that ltsp could configured inetd.conf during client build ... i'm not sure xinetd even installs update-inetd
which means you might have an empty inetd.conf
why openbsd-ined instead of xinetd?
stgraber, we should consider dropping inet-superserver from the ltsp-server deps
it causes to much breakage
because xinetd isnt shippable for ubuntu due to licensing, so openbsd-inetd is the default inetd used in ubuntu and debian, all automated setup uses inetd.conf ...
you *can* use xinetd but have to do all setup yourself
ah i see ... on my (non ltsp) linux install it's openbsd ... i thought xinetd would be default on any linux 8.04
cant be put on the CD and thats a clear showstopper
why was it chosen for ltsp in the first place?
xinetd ? was never chosen or used for ltsp
alkisg: when trying nbd-client 192.168.3.7 2000 /dev/nbd0 -persist i get "Connect: Connection refused"
why is it installed then, CTShadow ?
i assume you installed something that pulled it in
try to remove it (dont say yes if apt asks if you want to proceed to just see the list) and apt will tell you what
no, i saw a solution in a forum, where xinetd was used
solution to which problem?
right, as i said, you can use it, but have to care for the setup yourself
and you have to adjust the config on upgrades etc
CTShadow: if you otherwise modified the default setup, it would be nice to mention it, it would provide some more insight to the problem... :)
xinetd is simply not integrated in ltsp5 on debian and ubuntu
patches accepted ;)
Briareos1: the one we try to resolve now
ogra: it says that the following packages would be removed: ltsp-server* tftpd-hpa* xinetd*
intresting, then i dont get how it got installed first place
if you didnt dliberately install it for anything or removed the package that pulled it in inbetween
ltsp-server clearly has "openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver" in its dependencies ...
that means, if nothing is installed already that provides inet-superserver, forcefully pull in openbsd-inetd
so xinetd was installed before ltsp-server was attempted to install
ogra, CTShadow said he installed xinetd on purpose to try to resolve the current issue of clients not booting
hmm, do you think it would be useful to reinstall the ltsp-server package with all its dependencies
which means ltsp assumes that you want to configure the program providing inet-superserver manually
just install openbsd-inetd and uninstall xinetd afterwards
k, i'll try that
that will solve the dependency issue ... though i'm not sure you have a proper inetd.conf now
grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
and: grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
to make sure all services you need are there
root@helios:/home/vl# grep nbd /etc/inetd.conf
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
# 2001 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf gives no results
sudo dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa
(make sure to tell it to start from inetd if there are any questions)
and then grep again
i have done that, still no results
update-inetd --group BOOT --add "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
run that command (with sudo)
and restart openbsd-inetd
then boot a client
hey, that works, thanks to all. but now i get "The workstation is not allowed to access server" at the ubuntu login-screen
sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386
make sure your interfaces are both up if you run that and wnat to login on both via ltsp
actually i only want to login via ltsp via one interface
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well, then make sure at least this one is up
ltsp-update-sshkeys generates the keys for the configured interfaces based on the IP ... ltsp-update-sshkeys is usually run from ltsp-build-client, if you change the IP later you need to re-run it (and re-roll the image) to update the key to the new IP
amirul_: you're fuckin' nick thief :P
Hmmm... true, that could be used as a complementary security mechanism, to have the interface down before updating the ssh keys. Too bad that ltsp-update-sshkeys only *adds* keys and doesn't remove the old entries, though...
alkisg, patches accepted, you know that ;)
you could add a --purge switch
ogra, I'm trying, but it's difficult to get them to be accepted :)
Let me see how the udhcpc patches fare first...
the MIR needs to go through
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then it should be trivial
|05:32||* alkisg has its summer full, he has to debianize about 10Gb of windows-based educational software... :(|
flash, wine etc
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thanks ogra, everything woks fine now
ogra, alkisg, thanks for the great support. if you're in carinthia/austria some day i'll invite you for some drinks.
great you got it working
You're welcome guys, but I did too little here, it was ogra mostly.
oh god i cant use sudo anymore... I switched to recovery-mode and checked visudo everything is right...
k3j0_: is the user a member of the adm/admin group?
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when ive done ltsp-build-client do i have then to run ltsp-update-image??
only if you change the chroot afterwards
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which you shouldnt do anyway normally
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yeah finally we managed to login :D
ogra: but if i want to use specific software with my clients i have to change the chroot or not?
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and how do i then add software?
only for installing localapps you need to change the chroot ...
so i only have to install it on my server
but the desktop session still runs on the server
so all *normal* software needs to go on the server
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|08:38||* sbalneav straightens tie.|
_UsUrPeR_: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rjune_wrk: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sbalneav: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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Anybody about can help me with *YET ANOTHER FREAKING PROBLEM WITH *&@&^%@$(^! BZR*
Gah, this is frustrating
ltsp-docs-trunk is at rev 83
sbalneav@titan:~/Devel/ltsp-docs-trunk$ bzr revno
sbalneav@titan:~/Devel/ltsp-docs-trunk$ bzr pull
Using saved parent location: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/
No revisions to pull.
What's up with that?
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk/changes doesnt show a 83
Well, it SHOULD be at 83 :(
upstream is at 83
trunk is at 82
ogra: agreed (for allowing only openbsd-inetd)
all better now sbalneav?
I shouldn't even *have* an upstream, sigh, I must have mistyped something.
I know all these problems are related to my own stupidity. Perhaps I shouldn't be killing those bzr neurons with beer?
sbalneav: keep the beer
Oh, didn't say I was going to stop. But I'm always perfectly happy to acknowledge the problem :)
OK, so my branch at home must be auto-pushing to -upstream instead of trunk.
sbalneav: http://sandcreekbeernews.blogspot.com/2008/10/cliff-clavin-knows-his-stuff.html (sfw)
How do I make bzr "forget" where it's remembered to push to?
'cuz usually I just do a "bzr push/bzr pull" without typing out the long url
push to the new location with --remember
it will overwrite the former one
There, deleted -upstream
and trunk is at 83
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Good morning Amigos
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I'm trying to add a zenity progress bar to a file synchronization script being run at user logon. Is there anything special I need to do to make this work? The script is run from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/
holas amigo jammcq
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I was using ltsp-5 for over a year when after a server reboot my tftp connection times out for all my clients. Is there a way for me to troubleshoot the tftp server via logs? None of my configs changed (i.e., dhcpd.conf) but I am sure ubuntu updated something that may have broken tftp. Where should I start? TIA
pem725: take a look at your /var/log/syslog
while booting a client
see if there's any errors popping up
pem725: I assume the client stops booting after it receives an IP address via DHCP?
I am not getting any errors - the dhcp assigns an address and then tftp times out.
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yes, the client stops booting after it receives an IP address.
pem725: what happens if you run /etc/init.d/xinetd restart?
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that was Fedora wasn't it? :P
bieb: i was able to speed things up for you ... did you get word of the e-mail :) ?
no.. Roderick is on a conference call.. so I havent heard
pem725: also try /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa restart
I'm restarting both
pem725: are you running any weird iptables setups?
_UsUrPeR_, tftp should not run standalone for netbooting
yes but on another NIC
I stand corrected :)
by default its run by inetd
I notice there is a tftp line now in inetd.conf. Should it be there?
CAN-o-SPAM: so what is the good word?? :D
yes, and the tftp server should be started from it
bieb: you got lucky, another customer ahead of you was very nice and flexible, therefore, your's shipped yesterday.
thanks greatly for the help.
though your problem sounds more like a dhcp prob, are you sure there is exactly only one dhcp server running in your network ?
CAN-o-SPAM: you are da man!!
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it sounds as if the inetd needed a restart but I wonder if it will start by default from now on. I will tackle that later today.
thanks _UsUrPeR_. Much appreciated.
CAN-o-SPAM: I would have settled for starting with 2 for my testing.. But glad they are on the way...
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I am having an issue with iTalc. I had it working on a client yesterday, came in today to show CAN-o-SPAM my awesome progress, and the client I had working yesterday is "Host unreachable" today :(
running a tail -f on /tmp/italc-master.log, I am seeing the following error:
plug the cable back in ;)
[warning] isdConnection::readFromServer(): server closed connection: 1
als: [warning] isdConnection::readFromServer(): server closed connection: 5
when I go to monitor one of the clients by entering the IP, I can see the cursor flash, and according to a wireshark, I am seeing ack transmissions between the client and server.
Nothing about denials
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_UsUrPeR_: which installation method did you use? The one that installs italc in the chroot?
was that a bad way to go?
Well, harder :)
It does have the benefit of controlling the clients before they logon, though...
alkisg: I had wanted to get that working
Is ica running locally on the client? Did you check?
yeah. It's running -isd port 5800 -ivsport 5900
that's on the client
also /bin/sh /usr/bin/ica-launcher
There should be 2 ica processes on the client
ica -noshm -isdport 5800 -ivsport 5900
/usr/bin/ica -rx11vs -noshm -nosel -nosetclipboard -rfbport 5900 -rx11vs -isdport 5800 -role other
there is. the first was ica
the second is /usr/bin/ica
that's what I have exactly
OK. You said that it was worning yesterday, so you did transfer the ica ssh keys, right?
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strangely, no. I did not. I realized that I had installed from the hardy ppa instead of jaunty. so I re-installed, and added an IP after re-installation, and it worked :D
speaking of keys: what needs to be shared between them? Just the "teacher" group for /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/italc/keys/private?
or do I actually need to move a key elsewere?
Hmmm someone had made a wiki page with detailed instructions, lemme see.
alkisg: those are the instructions I followed
Yeah I notice that the key-copying isn't documented there though, I thought I was... /me checks
that's actually why I had used hardy for the ppa: I copy-pasted from their entry
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_UsUrPeR_: well, unless something that I don't know about handles this automatically, you should copy the server keys to the chroot for italc to work.
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heh! I wonder why it isn't on the wiki page, though... Could you put it there?
I believe I could, yes 8)
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|12:01||* Lns wonders if Gentoo will ever get closer to LTSP than 'very close' ;)|
the day johnny gets his new laptop :)
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which one you getting Ogra?
i was talking about johhny, not me ...
its his standard excuse if you ask him why he hasnt gentoo finished yet :)
ohh.. thought you were talking 3rd person
little does anyone know that ogra and johnny are actually a man-bear hybrid
.... because his laptop is to outdated ;)
johnny surely has shorter hair than me ... but nicer hats :)
ogra, what have you been working on lately?
sounds cool =)
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bieb: you there?
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CAN-o-SPAM: Yeah Alex.. right here
bieb: Guess i jumped the gun, thought they shipped yesterday, but apparently they are shipping today ... Either way, better than the EOM :)
I appreciate your help
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Is wake on LAN something that the OS controls at all?
or is that all hardware?
nm, found article on help.ubuntu.com
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lns: gotta go actually. You got time tomorrow?
lns: the ping was pertaining to WOL
possibly, not sure. you can always try =)
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_UsUrPeR_, WoL is pretty much a BIOS thing but it bleeds into OS function too afaik
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for example I had to set some things in Linux to set WoL on my NIC to a certain setting so it doesn't turn off something in the firmware or some such...i forget exactly what it was
I had seen an entry you had on the help.ubuntu page. I didn't know if you were a foremost expert on the matter.
it's probably documented in that wiki page
i wouldn't call myself an expert, but i did make the automated shutdown/startup pages
I saw that
quite nifty :)
thanks =) it works wel
well, I guess I'll just be out with it: I have not gotten wakeonlan to work with any of our thin clients
and I have been trying :/
I didn't have any issues w/my pxe 1220
see, that's weird
it was the koolu i had to mess with
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It's just "wakeonlan <mac address>" correct?
BIOS is set up ?
/usr/bin/wakeonlan 00:13:90:02:7f:0c (in my crontab)
running as root?
BIOS should be set up, but yeah: running as root
running wireshark, I can see the broadcasts
anyway, I'm outta here. I'll see what's what tomorrow.
have a good night
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_UsUrPeR_, if you get the chance, 'man ethtool'
for my koolu i had to make a script - which contained "ethtool -s eth0 wol g "
during bootup...it wouldn't wake up otherwise
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vagrantc: gadi was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Gadi> from that page
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Anyone know of the current status of Audacity in ltsp?
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it should work, shouldn't it?
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Ryan52, last I heard there were issues revolving around audacity's use of alsa exclusively and how it worked (or didn't work) with PA
that *was* a few months ago, though...not sure if anything's changed.
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