IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:18
<daya>
vagrantc, hi , can we have boot splashy in ltsp client,
00:18
<vagrantc>
daya: go for it
00:21
<daya>
vagrantc, I am trying to implement, splashy without the kernel patch
00:22
<vagrantc>
daya: good luck
00:22
<daya>
vagrantc, :), thanks
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<mwright1>
Hello everyone, is warren about? Want to ask him about Fedora 8 progress
01:01
<vagrantc>
!seen warren
01:01
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: warren was last seen in #ltsp 1 day, 7 hours, 22 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <warren> Q-FUNK, oh ok
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<Merphy>
hi everybody what this problem is and how to solve it mountd[5115]: bad path in mount request from 192.168.0.199: "192.168.0.254:/opt/ltsp/ubuntu_6.10_i38"
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04:27
<poliveira>
Hi.
04:27
How can I export local devices to RDP session in LTSP 5. I tried with
04:27
-r disk:usbdisks=/var/run/drives/
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but I can only mount USB pens
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USB cdroms and local harddrives, the folder appear, but it can't mount. Is empty
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<otavio>
hi
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08:56
<Spliffster>
i am very new to terminal servers. i got my first thin client to boot off tftp and mount the nfsroot. so good so far. it looks like i need to compile my own kernel since input devices are not recognized
08:56
<Gadi>
Spliffster: you shouldnt need to compile anything - what is not recognized?
08:56
<Spliffster>
are there any things i must take care of / are special from normal i38 kernels ? how's the bootserver passed to the boot mechanism ... kernel parameter ?
08:57
Gadi i know i must
08:57
<Gadi>
how do you know?
08:57
are you using a toaster as an input device/
08:57
we don't support toasters
08:57
<Spliffster>
my hardware (ibm netvista n2200 thinclient anno 1999) cannot load bzimage or zimage kernels ... only uncompressed
08:57
<cliebow>
ahhhhhh
08:57
<Gadi>
ah, you have the netvista
08:57
<cliebow>
the infernal 2200
08:57
<Gadi>
enter cliebow
08:57
resident netvista expert
08:58
<Spliffster>
yep
08:58
<cliebow>
dub
08:58
<Spliffster>
and there are still 15 let i can have
08:58
i want to set up int6ernet work stations with them
08:58
<cliebow>
best you can do is the ltsp4.1
08:58
<Spliffster>
*left not let
08:58
cliebow: ok ty ... what's current ?
08:58
<cliebow>
5
08:58
<Spliffster>
cliebow: have you tinkered with the n2200 ?
08:58
<cliebow>
they are tricksy to use..
08:59
read my wiki piece?
08:59
<Spliffster>
i get it to boot so far and then it asks for the runlevel
08:59
<cliebow>
in wiki.ltsp.org
08:59
<Spliffster>
cliebow: yes
08:59
<cliebow>
are you using ubuntu?
08:59
<Spliffster>
local boot is not problem (cf card) but i want it disk less
08:59
cliebow: so far i am using an ubuntu server
09:00
but i have no distor preferences as lon as it is debian based ;)
09:00
just kidding ... i don't care
09:00
<cliebow>
trying to understand where you are..you are booting a kernel from flashdisk?
09:00
<Spliffster>
no no .. flasdisk is all dandy .. .was helpful for hardware identification
09:01
but now i am working on a 2.6 kernel which is loaded via tftp
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09:02
<cliebow>
then you are the only one so far who has netbboted to a 2.6 kernel...
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09:02
<Spliffster>
it is downloaded and starts initializing. after fixing some paths on the tftp server and the nfs server it boots, mounts the nfs / and then is starting up (/sbin/init probably). i get to the point where i get prompted for a runlevel
09:03
<cliebow>
want to post a copy of the kernel to me somehow??
09:03
<Spliffster>
cliebow: sorry this was a typo. i am running a 2.4 kernel but want to get a 2.6 kernel loading.
09:04
<cliebow>
to my knowledge no one has done this on a 2200..
09:04
<Spliffster>
cliebow: i haven't found anything about 2.6 on this as well
09:04
<cliebow>
i do have a linux-2.6.20.3-LTSP-IBMNC.gz someone posted..mnever have hotten it to work
09:04
<Spliffster>
but i ask myself if this client is usefull. i see some hardware with 128mbram and a 400-800mhz cpu for €100-200
09:04
(Euro)
09:05
<cliebow>
i use 50 or more of the netvista..they are definitely downwardly mobile
09:05
<Spliffster>
i am just tinkering with it because i got it fro free and always wanted to have diskless terminals
09:05
cliebow: ok
09:05
for x, how much ram is needed ?
09:06
is 32mb enough at 1024*800 ?
09:06
<cliebow>
in ltsp4.1 32 will work'
09:06
<Spliffster>
yay!
09:06
<cliebow>
you cant get more than 800x600 i believe
09:06
<Spliffster>
yes
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1024x800
09:06
but i guess more resolution, more memmory needed ? the video mem is actually taken from the actual ram
09:07
<cliebow>
iirc..you have 3 meg video ram
09:07
<Spliffster>
rgr
09:07
<cliebow>
not 2 not 4...3 (for some reasoin)
09:07
<Spliffster>
3mb shared
09:07
i haven't bothred to try ltsp 4.1 i will try
09:07
<cliebow>
i can give you a tarball of 4.2 with the 2.4.19 kernel...
09:07
whoops...4.1
09:08
<Spliffster>
that would be really great man!
09:08
i'll just quickly ask apt-cache
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1 sec
09:08
nae, cliebow, ubuntu server shipts with only on version. the latest stable
09:09
*ships
09:10
cliebow: just outta curiosity. for what are you using these netvistas ?
09:10
<cliebow>
try this..http://169.244.3.137/ltsp4.1.tar.gz
09:11
school lab..with 12" monitors even more downwardly mobile than the netvistas
09:12
pods of 4 in classrooms
09:12
<Spliffster>
nice
09:13
i am the maintainer of some medical software which is mainly used in operating rooms. it would be great to replace our comodity pcs there with thin clients for one fucking reason: maintenance
09:13
and for the price of course
09:13
i have seen cool touchscreen thinclients with the mainboard built into the screen ...
09:15
look at this: http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt3712.htm
09:15
they look really cool but sonly seem to sell in large quantities
09:16
has anyone in here had the chance to get his fingers dirty on such or simmilar hardware ? if so what are you using, where did you get it from ?
09:17
<cliebow>
hang a sec...
09:18
they look like they will etherboot ok..
09:18
and there has been so,e work on amd geode..Gadi i think would know
09:19
Gadi:e AMD Geode LX 800 processor ??
09:19
they Look awesome...
09:19
<Spliffster>
yeah
09:19
but i do not know the price yet. i have emailed them
09:20
i guess 22" is rather expensive. the hw specs look good for a snappy and responsive system
09:21
cliebow: btw the wiki entry about the 2200 was very helpfull. thaks!
09:21
<cliebow>
sure!!..one of my few claims to real fame..
09:21
<Spliffster>
:)
09:22
i have spent half my life with unix like systems but never have setup/maintained a terminal server so far. there were quit some new things to explore and without your howto it would have cost me a day or 2 more (at best)
09:23
<cliebow>
hehhe..hate to think what time i spent..even had Gadi rabbit punch one a few times
09:24
sounds like your implementation would not require peripheral devices and such so much..
09:25
<Spliffster>
cliebow: for now only a mouse and a keyboard. the best solution would be wireless peripherie. i must check if i can hide a logitech wireless keyboard receiver inside the flat panel. that'll be awesome. no cables except for net and power
09:26
<cliebow>
yeah..
09:26
<Spliffster>
but in the future i'd like to have a scanner attached as well. that's why i am not looking into absolute minimum hardware
09:27
it should be able to do ocr so the scanned documents can then be automagically filed (depending on their content)
09:28
<Gadi>
hey, sorry guys - in and out - We are working to resolve some issues with the newest X.org (1.3) shipped in most distros and certain BIOSes used in conjunction with the AMD Geode processors
09:28
<cliebow>
seems like you should pick ogra's brain on that piece..
09:28
<Gadi>
there are several buggy such BIOSes that cause the new X.org's autodetection to hard lock the system
09:28
<Q-FUNK>
naa
09:29
ogra's got his hands full on other stuff
09:29
<Gadi>
right now, we have a workaround and are zeroing in on a solution to the problem
09:30
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: mind you, I wouldn't be surprised if GSW and LinuxBIOS followed AMD's documentation, while GeodeROM doesn't because it has internal fixes that never got documented.
09:30
<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: yeah, I wouldnt be surprised either
09:31* Gadi reminisces about good 'ole build_x4_cfg script that didn't use X -configure at all...
09:31
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: btw, I got a pong from our CEO. he's putting me in touch with our GSW contact and Jordan filed a ticket with their marketing department too. we shold have the straight dope fairly soon.
09:32
for obvious reasons, it's important to AMD that commercial BIOSed purported to work on the LX indeed work as documented, so Jordan's got AMD's marketing on this now.
09:33
<Gadi>
nice
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<Spliffster>
cliebow: do i need the data and pkg_cache dir ? i guess pkg_cache can be empty, can't it ?
09:48
<Gadi>
Spliffster: in LTSP 4.1 those dirs were used by ltspadmin to store the packages it downloaded
09:48
they are only used for installation purposes
09:49
<Spliffster>
i see, data is also used by dpkg ?
09:49
<Gadi>
not dpkg
09:49
LTSP 4.1 had its own package
09:49
<Spliffster>
ok
09:49
<Gadi>
indeed its own package management
09:50
<Spliffster>
so the one provided by ltspadmin/ltspctrl-something ?
09:50
<Gadi>
(there has always been a desire to keep LTSP distro-independent)
09:50
you need to run ltspadmin
09:50
<Spliffster>
rgr
09:50
<Gadi>
and follow the menus
09:50
<Spliffster>
i see it now
09:50
i must have doen that ;)
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10:19
<poliveira>
Hi. How can I export local devices to RDP session in LTSP 5. I tried -r disk:usbdisks=/var/run/drives/ but I can only mount USB pens, USB cdroms and local harddrives, the folder appear, but it can't mount. Is empty
10:22
<Gadi>
poliveira: you cannot by default, because rdesktop doesnt speak ltspfs
10:23
you need to either integrate ltspfs locally or simply install autofs in the chroot
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and use it as an alternative
10:24
<poliveira>
ok. thank you. I am going to try with autofs
10:25
is there a howto anywhere? :)
10:25
<Gadi>
you can pretty much follow any howto for autofs on a regular Linux box
10:26
just do everything in the chroot
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<poliveira>
ok. I use autofs to mount LDAP accounts, so I will give it a try
10:27
<Gadi>
the default autofs maps have commented out examples, too
10:27
btw, the other alternative is to rdesktop from the LTSP server
10:28
that is, make rdesktop one of the *server* sessions
10:28
that way, if localdev works on the server, it works through rdesktop
10:29
<poliveira>
but only the devices plug in the server will appear on the rdesktop
10:29
correct?
10:29
<Gadi>
right
10:29
so, if you launch rdesktop from the server with:
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rdesktop -r disk:drives=/media/$USER <IP>
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then, you will get a Windows drive mapped to: /media/$USER on the server
10:30
which is the directory that is populated with the ltspfs mounted devices
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and, voila!
10:31
so, you can have your users log into a Windows session on the server rather than Gnome
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if you like
10:31
the Windows session is just rdesktop running fullscreen
10:32
ah, the games you could play :)
10:32
<poliveira>
hmm. I think that will work great. Instead of making a rdesktop connection for each thin client. if I make it trought the server, then the windows will think it's only one connection with multiple users instead of one connection for user.
10:32
<Gadi>
do you understand what I mean?
10:33
well Windows can handle multiple connections from the same host
10:33
it will just report all the users coming from the same hostname
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but, if you dont care about that....
10:33
<poliveira>
yes. but windows allows a limited rdesktop connections, correct?
10:34
<Gadi>
its a soft limit
10:34
and it depends on ur licensing
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but, you need a license for every user in either case
10:34
<poliveira>
if they came from the same IP, I can get "unlimited" connections
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<Gadi>
so, you're covered
10:35
<poliveira>
great! thanks a lot. Now, back to work :)
10:35
<Gadi>
with M$ it doesnt matter what happens techincally - only what happens when you are sued
10:35
:)
10:35
don't make the mistake of not paying for licenses
10:36
<poliveira>
do you think that using this "bypass" I can have problems?
10:37
<Gadi>
what kinds of problems?
10:37
licensing? no - as long as you have a license for every user
10:38
dont make the mistake of buying 1 device license since only the server connects to the WTS
10:38
as long as you have licenses for all your users (or devices) M$ will be happy
10:38
<poliveira>
ok :)
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<Gadi>
the truth is, there are so many bugs in WTS license server that it will give you unlimited licenses more often than not :P
10:39
but, that makes no difference when you are sued
10:40
<poliveira>
that's true
10:50
btw Gadi, I'm trying this on a debian sarge. Do you think it's a problem?
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<Gadi>
poliveira: shouldnt be
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<Q-FUNK>
poliveira: mind you, Sarge is really outdated.
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<Q-FUNK>
poliveira: and Etch already is rather deprecated. if you're gonna use Debian, I'd recommend at least Etch.
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<poliveira_>
I know. But the distro I am working is still sarge. We are working on Etch, but it will take some time to be completed
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<cliebow>
!seen sbalneav
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<ltspbot>
cliebow: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 54 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I guess the idea is: ship it in the safe, encrypted mode, and then if people decide they can be less safe, in exchange for speed, then they can, easily.
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<arudin>
has anybody tried to get cd/dvd burning running with ltsp5? There exists the implementation steps for LTSP4.1 by Scott Balneaves, but I don't find anything similar for LTSP5
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<daya>
Hi channel,
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<daya>
In etch I can't unmount the USB drive, it says can't determine the real path of the device:No such file or directory
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in ltsp client,
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<daya>
vagrantc, hi,any idea about unmount problem in ltsp client
23:09
<open_lad>
have any one here tried or know about using webcam in LTSP clients?