IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 13 February 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<CapRiCoRN^80>
hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
01:18
how can i enable sound on them ??????????
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<CapRiCoRN^80>
hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
01:25
how can i enable sound on them ??????????
01:26
<kaos01>
im just looking at similar thing, i was just reading http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8165
01:27
but im stuck at the fact that i have LOCAL_APPS = Y but /home is not mounted and NIS isnt seem to be running
01:30
by yhe looks of things firstly you need to get ssh to the workstations working
01:31
<dan__t>
I think that's my project for tomorrow, too :)
01:34
<CapRiCoRN^80>
i simply want to enable sound on my thin client stations
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<kaos01>
CapRiCoRN, no such thing as simply :) first the application has to be running on the client
01:35
without the ssh thingy your application is running on the server ... hence sound is usless
01:36
thats my understanding, but i might be wrong
01:38
<CapRiCoRN^80>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Sound_on_LTSP_Terminals .. according to this doc u can run sound on server n then send it to thin clients
01:38
but i want to setup it locally
01:38
on each client
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<kaos01>
is there a root password on the workstations ?
01:46
<CapRiCoRN^80>
no
01:46
<kaos01>
mmm, so i cant do ssh root@ws01
01:53
<chupacabra>
think about it
01:53
you should be logged on as some user
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<chupacabra>
and why would you want to ssh out to there?
01:54
i never understand that
01:58
<kaos01>
isnt ssh ing out there how one runs local apps ?
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<chupacabra>
lol
02:12
<CapRiCoRN^80>
anyone help me regarding sound
02:12
<chupacabra>
you read the sound stuff.
02:13
im not hot with it
02:13
always wondered why.
02:13
work does not need sound
02:13
mostly
02:18
<CapRiCoRN^80>
well my clients want it
02:18
so i have to configure sound
02:20
<chupacabra>
oic
02:20
the docs are supposed to be good
02:22
<CapRiCoRN^80>
this one http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Sound_on_LTSP_Terminals
02:22
its just ok
02:22
if u got any other . plz refer me
02:30
<chupacabra>
na bedtime
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<CapRiCoRN^80>
ok . any one else is there ?
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<Shingoshi>
does ltsp work with wireless?
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<CapRiCoRN^80>
well i wish some one reply here
03:02
<Shingoshi>
Maybe I should ask if pxe is on wireless cards?
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<Shingoshi>
I just found Pyramid Linux. It's supposed to be Ubuntu based. Being that LTSP is Ubuntu now, how much work to get LTSP on Pyramid? Pyramid Linux is a Wireless based system.
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<slipttees>
hi all
03:45
somewhere can help me about ltsp.4.2+fuse+debian sarge+kerne 2.4.27-2
03:46
ltsp and fuse work only kernel 2.6 ?
03:47
helloooo, somebooodyyy =]
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='[
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<ogra>
yes
04:00
fuse works with 2.6 ... in ubuntu th emodule is included in the default kernel ... in debian you need to compile th emodule yourself afaik
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<slipttees>
or
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install kernel better 2.6.1 ;)
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<Shingoshi>
Has anyone answered my question?
04:22
Pyramid uses 2.6.19.2
04:22
ogra: Hi!
04:25
<CapRiCoRN^80>
hi ! i have setup ltsp on k12ltsp distribution and got dell thin client systems
04:25
so i have to configure sound on thin clients
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how can i do that ?
04:25
<ogra>
Shingoshi, wlan cards have no netboot capability ... there is a very old image on the ltsp wiki that supports a very limited set of cards ...
04:26
<Shingoshi>
Is this because of the security issues?
04:27
What would it take to compile my own kernel with this support?
04:27
<ogra>
no this is because wlan cards have no such things like PXE or etherboot ....
04:27
apart from that you need essid and keys etc etc ...
04:28
the only option is to boot a full OS on the client, enable the wlan and connect and then boot
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but that gets tricks with 2.6 ernels that dnt fit on a floppy ...
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*tricky
04:28
<Shingoshi>
Ok. So each node will need a drive with a minimal boot image to attach to the Terminal Server? But then the applications can still be served from it, right?
04:29
<ogra>
so you need a local disk running your kickoff OS ... which then connects to an AP
04:29
but thats not ltsp at all
04:29
right ... if you boot a local OS and connect to the server it will behave similar
04:30
<Shingoshi>
I thought LTSP was more than just the boot system, but also included the localization of apps on ONE machine?
04:31
<sepski>
Shingoshi, that's just regular X, been around since X was invented
04:31
<Shingoshi>
The manner of boot is irrelevant for me. I just want the single point of apps.
04:32
So then I don't need LTSP?
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<sepski>
true.
04:33
<Shingoshi>
I'm confused. X will serve a network with apps which run on the Terminal Server
04:34
So LTSP IS just the boot process?
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<sepski>
hard to define tho, but i'd think ltsp is the tools and processes needed to build and netboot from a chroot, configure the clients while booting, and connecting them to a X11 server to get the desktop.
04:37
<Shingoshi>
Explain for me. If I have each node running a minimal boot image, the apps won't run locally on each node, but on the server?
04:37
<CapRiCoRN^80>
listen i want to enable local sound cards
04:37
help me in that plz
04:38
<Shingoshi>
CapRiCoRN^80: I have no experience here. But I would think the kernel sent to each node must have the support built into it.
04:39
<ogra>
Shingoshi, ltsp is more than the bootsystem ... thats why your solution isnt ltsp ...
04:39
ltsp is an integrated set of booting and terminal services ... if you cut off one of these its not ltsp anymore ...
04:39
<Shingoshi>
It would be simpler to have all nodes with the same sound solution. But I may be wrong.
04:40
<ogra>
all *you* want is X forwarding to a local OS
04:40
<Shingoshi>
So what's the least that I need for Terminal Services>
04:40
ok^
04:40
How do I do that?
04:41
I want the smallest boot image possible.
04:41
<sepski>
Shingoshi, you could look at something like the thinstation
04:42
<Shingoshi>
Can the node boot just enough to go wireless, and then continue the remaing process in the typical manner?
04:42
<ogra>
sure, you just need to build such a system
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<Shingoshi>
It seems kind of like a runlevel issue.
04:43
<ogra>
??
04:43
you need to build a kernel that supports things like essid and key as commandline options if you want the smallest OS possible ...
04:43
<Shingoshi>
init 1: boot node. init3: boot node from server.
04:43
<sepski>
Shingoshi, if you need a disk/flash on the node to boot the kernel from, you can just as well put the Xserver there too, to save you the hassle
04:44
<ogra>
if you cant do that, run something like a complete knoppix locally and modify it to connect to the AP
04:44
<Shingoshi>
ok. So the Xserver goes on the node. Would that be it?
04:45
<ogra>
you need X, and the kernel ...
04:45
<Shingoshi>
Forgive me... AP?
04:45
<ogra>
access point
04:45
<Shingoshi>
Thank you!
04:46
So I will have only one AP for all of the combined nodes?
04:46
<ogra>
you can set up different ones but then you need multiple setups indeed
04:46
in any case it wont be fun to maintain
04:47
<Shingoshi>
I guess this eliminates one of my other issues. Each node can have openmosix to boot into the AP.
04:47
<ogra>
you cant maintain it centralized like ltsp ...
04:47
<Shingoshi>
I don't want any apps on any node.
04:48
Why can't I download a second stage image from the AP to keep all nodes equal?
04:49
Let me give you an example.
04:49
Freebsd has or had two stages to boot their systems.
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One was the kernel image, Two was the boot image.
04:50
Something like that. It's been a very long time since I used FBSD
04:50
I think what I meant was the boot image, and the mfs? image.
04:51
Essentially, the node has it's pxe on disk.
04:52
ogra: ^
04:53
<ogra>
from the AP ?
04:53
<Shingoshi>
ogra: I still have your email. I could just write you instead.
04:53
<ogra>
well, you need a big AP for that and need to hack into proprietary stuff then :)
04:54
<Shingoshi>
ok?
04:54
<ogra>
sure
04:54
<Shingoshi>
ok!
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<krinns>
i have done ltsp on ubuntu
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its not creating home dir in /home for that user
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any idea
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<ogra>
krinns, can you elaborate a bit ?
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ltsp isnt responsible for creating users
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<CapRiCoRN^80>
ogra: to whom i should refer my problem
05:40
about sound
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<krinns>
well i have ltsp +ldap
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all users i create in ldap nad my ubuntu is ldap client
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<ogra>
CapRiCoRN^80, usually it should work if you set SOUND=True in your lts.conf file
05:41
<Shingoshi>
ogra: I just sent the email to you at your ubuntu address.
05:41
<krinns>
then i intall ltsp4.2
05:41
all good
05:41
<ogra>
Shingoshi, thanks
05:42
<Shingoshi>
I hope I make sense!
05:42
<krinns>
but in /home that user whos loging to ltsp server 1 time his home dir is not automatically created
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any idea why
05:42
<ogra>
krinns, why didnt you use ltsp5 if you use ubuntu ?
05:43
<krinns>
well printer issues with ltsp5
05:43
<ogra>
???
05:43* ogra prints every day with ltsp5
05:43
<krinns>
i have dot patrix and laser printers
05:43
<CapRiCoRN^80>
i have done SOUND = Y
05:43
<krinns>
oh sorry am talking abt lts5 that comes witrh ubuntu
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<ogra>
CapRiCoRN^80, that should work, i have no idea how k12 implements that, i'm only working on ltsp5
05:44
krinns, ah
05:44
<krinns>
r u on ubuntu ltsp of u get from ltsp website
05:44
<ogra>
krinns, well, i'd check my pam setup if i were you ... does it create homedirs at any time ?
05:44
<krinns>
i wont fong ltsp5 iso there
05:45
<CapRiCoRN^80>
which distro u r using ?
05:45
<Shingoshi>
How do you guys get that blue star I see when you speak in third person. ie. ogra prints every day with ltsp5
05:45
<krinns>
no all i need to have create it manually
05:45
<ogra>
krinns, ltsp5 is supposed to be implemented by the distros ... so its hard to provide an iso for it
05:45
<krinns>
but suse10.1 it was done automaticallyy
05:47
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ltsp-tarball-20060211.tgz would be one ... but indeed that gives you an ubuntu client
05:47
suse 10 doesnt have ltsp5
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and seems not to be intrested in implementing it yet
05:49
<krinns>
suse10.1 +lts4.2
05:50
its ltsp 5 right
05:50
<ogra>
no, ltsp5 is the new implementation
05:50
<krinns>
and u r saying it supports printers and scanner attatched with thinclients
05:51
<ogra>
printers yes ... i never tested scaners
05:51
but since sane just uses an environment variable to pick up a scanner it should work as well
05:51
<Shingoshi>
ogra: What was that tarball for? I just downloaded it. Is it a complete LTSP installation?
05:51
<ogra>
Shingoshi, thats the edgy ltsp chroot .... you still need to set up the server by hand
05:52
its only the client environment ...
05:52
if you use ubuntu or debian i'D not suggest to use it at all
05:52
but rather use the ltsp-server-standalone packag and run ltsp-build-client
05:53
<Shingoshi>
So I would install that on the machine to provide images to the clients?
05:53
<ogra>
ight
05:53
but you still need to set up dhcp, nfs and tftp
05:53
<Shingoshi>
So could I install it on my Slackware box?
05:53
<ogra>
thats why i'm saying to use the ltsp-server package, it does that for you
05:53
should work, yes
05:54
<Shingoshi>
And is this the ltsp5 version?
05:55
ogra: ^
05:56
<ogra>
yep
05:56
but the one from ubuntu indeed
05:56
<Shingoshi>
Great!
05:57
<ogra>
i.e. it will have an ubuntu bootsplash, and ubuntu logo on the login manager
05:57
but indeed gives you all the advantages of ltsp5
05:57
<Shingoshi>
Have you heard of Pyramid Linux before? It's supposed to be from Pebble Linux, and now Ubuntu based.
05:57
<ogra>
i heard of pebble ...
05:57
but not from pyramid yet
05:58
<Shingoshi>
http://pyramid.metrix.net
05:59
I think I will install your tarball on Pyramid when I build this new system today. Being that it is Ubuntu, it should simplify things.
06:00
<ogra>
well if it is ubuntu, you really should use the howto on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<cliebow>
get the kernel too..
06:01
<ogra>
cliebow, the kernel is in the tarball, you just need to copy it to the tftp dir ;)
06:01
<cliebow>
you are the Man
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<Shingoshi>
You just answered the next question I was going to ask you. So I untar this into /tftp?
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<ogra>
no
06:03
<Shingoshi>
oh?
06:03
<ogra>
really, if you have an ubuntu based system *DONT* use the tarball
06:03
follow the howto above
06:03
<Shingoshi>
I better check and see if I have tftp installed.
06:03
<ogra>
no, use the ltsp-server-standalone package please
06:04
it setus up everything for you ...
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<Shingoshi>
ok!
06:05
When I get this, does it go into it's own directory, or / ?
06:05
<ogra>
it goes into /opt
06:05
<Shingoshi>
oh. ok!
06:05
<ogra>
and sets up the environment below ...
06:05
<Shingoshi>
Good.
06:05
<ogra>
same path as all ltsp versions used
06:05
<Shingoshi>
Did you get my email?
06:06
<ogra>
but you dont have to care, ltsp-build-client does everything
06:06
<Shingoshi>
Never used one before.
06:06
That's the command?
06:07
Do you have a direct link to get the ltsp-server-standalone?
06:07
package?
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<ogra>
as i told you before, there in no properly integrated openmoxis for 2.6 kernels ...
06:08
^^^ wrt your mail
06:08
<Shingoshi>
Yes. email.
06:08
<ogra>
Shingoshi, see the howto ...
06:08
<Shingoshi>
ok.
06:08
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client is essentially ltsp5 ....
06:08
its a script
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<Shingoshi>
Based on what I am reading, I am better off just to install edubuntu!
06:10
Default install.
06:10
Sounds nice!
06:12
<cliebow>
it is!
06:13
<ogra>
yep
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<Shingoshi>
Have you worked with the edubuntu distro?
06:14
<ogra>
i build it :)
06:14
its the reference implementation for ltsp5 ;)
06:14
<Shingoshi>
You the MAN!!!! lol LOL LOL LOL
06:15
<cliebow>
krinns:write a litle script that cp /etc/skel to /home/user...chown and chmod
06:15
<krinns>
how can u guide me
06:15
<cliebow>
mmm...cp e/etc/kel /home/krinns
06:15
<Shingoshi>
If you build it, they will come!
06:16
ogra: If you build it, they will come!
06:16
<ogra>
cliebow, well, pam has an option to create homedirs ... it should just work if you configure it right ...
06:16
<cliebow>
chown -R krinns: /home/krinnns
06:16
<krinns>
its a single line script
06:16
ok
06:16
<Shingoshi>
What else could be a bigger field of dreams?
06:16
<cliebow>
yeah that too pam_mkhomedir
06:16
<krinns>
true
06:16
i got it
06:17
<cliebow>
hchmod 700 /home/krinns
06:17
<Shingoshi>
me^
06:17
<krinns>
i do it in /etc/pamd/login
06:17
<ogra>
it needs some setup in /etc/pam.d ....
06:17
<krinns>
right
06:17
true
06:17
thanks man
06:17
<ogra>
login only applies to the login command
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<cliebow>
my adduserscritp for ubuntu creates the user and makes homedir
06:17
<ogra>
you need to add it to the gdm file
06:17
<krinns>
one more thing
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<ogra>
/etc/pam.d/gdm or some such
06:18
<krinns>
oh i wont understand
06:18
<Shingoshi>
ogra: I've been to the mountain top. And there I met you!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL!
06:18
<krinns>
i craete a script
06:19
<cliebow>
Shingoshi:problem is this is a polytheistic universe
06:19
<ogra>
Shingoshi, :)
06:19
<cliebow>
sort of the titans and mt Olympus thing
06:20
Shingoshi, testing
06:20
<Shingoshi>
I just can't stop laughing!!!
06:20
<cliebow>
guess the comma works too..
06:21
<ogra>
krinns, adding pam_mkhomedir to /etc/pam.d/login doesnt work in gdm logins, you need to add it to /etc/pam.d/gdm
06:21
that should solve your problem ...
06:21
<cliebow>
one Sun morning five years ago i asked on #ltsp. jammcq answered..i said familiar with ltsp?? he said Yeap i wrote it...dEAD silence for a minute 8`)
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<ogra>
heh
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<Shingoshi>
I'm downloading edgy dvd for 64bit. I will also get x86 on cd. Unless?
06:29
<ogra>
no
06:29
its plain 64bit
06:29
including ltsp ...
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<Shingoshi>
I have a hot swap in this server, with the dvd. Can I install from the x86 dvd onto the hot swap drive?
06:30
I stopped in midthought. Sorry.
06:30
<ogra>
sure
06:30
<Shingoshi>
Your confusion is my fault.
06:30* ogra doesnt feel confused
06:32
<Shingoshi>
The machine I am building today has no dvd. But this machine does. I could install the dvd image directly onto the drive in the hot swap bay, right?
06:32
<ogra>
yes
06:32
<Shingoshi>
ogra: How do you start out with your name starting the line as you did above.
06:32
<ogra>
just make sure to install grub on the drive
06:33
/me says blah
06:33* ogra says blah
06:33
<ogra>
:)
06:33
<Shingoshi>
OH!
06:33* Shingoshi says thanks!
06:33
<ogra>
:)
06:34* Shingoshi I am such an old fart!
06:35
<ogra>
how old ?
06:35
<Shingoshi>
When I brought this system's components last year, I brought the wrong memory. So now I have ordered a new board just for the memory.
06:35* Shingoshi is 51 in August!
06:36
<Shingoshi>
OLD!!!
06:36* Shingoshi is a GRANPA!
06:37
<Shingoshi>
Will you be more merciful with me now? LOL LOL LOL
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<krinns>
sure
06:38
on more thing i have a finger scanner on thin client
06:38
<Shingoshi>
ogra: What? Are you in such a state of shock, that you can't find the words to answer?
06:38
<krinns>
its not a well knows things its a script written by some one with search for thumb scanner on local machine
06:38
any idea how thinclient can detetct this
06:39
<ogra>
Shingoshi, i have 15 channels open on two servers and about 20 private talks as well ... i'm not following a single one all the time ;)
06:40
krinns, the thin client shouldnt have a problem to detect it locally ... but you surely need communication with the desktop session running on the server ... that will need some scripting ...
06:43
<Shingoshi>
ok. Kind of like GOD!
06:43
I said I went to the mountaintop!
06:43
ogra: I said I went to the mountaintop!
06:45
<ogra>
heh
06:45
<Shingoshi>
If I don't stop laughing so hard, I'm going to really die and meet you in person.
06:45* ogra gets 37 on friday btw
06:45
<Shingoshi>
You, being on multiple sessions
06:45
ok. Kind of like GOD!
06:46
<ogra>
i suspect a GOD would be able to handle more than just 35 chatwindows :)
06:46
<Shingoshi>
Yeah. But it was worth the laugh!
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<Capricorn^800>
any sound expert there ?
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<jammcq>
g'morning
07:47
<CapRiCoRN^80>
good evening
07:47
nice to hear from someone
07:48
<Shingoshi>
ogra: HAPPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
07:49
<ogra>
Shingoshi, hey on friday ... not today
07:50
<Shingoshi>
SO! God lives forever. I may not. So HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! lol lol LOL
07:51
<CapRiCoRN^80>
HAPPY BIRTHDAY from my side too :P
07:51
<jammcq>
let's just call it "Ogra's Birthday Week"
07:51
<sepski>
hmm... can i have a birthday year ?
07:51
<ogra>
heh
07:52
<sepski>
:)
07:55
<Shingoshi>
sepski: Are you asking his age? 37
07:55
<ogra>
1970 ...
07:56
but i think he wanted a year for himself instead of only a week ... sou you could party 356days :)
07:56
<sepski>
Shingoshi, no..
07:56
ogra, indeed :)
07:56
it was a poor attempth at humor
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<Shingoshi>
ogra: You could be 51!
08:07
The scary thing is I don't know why I don't have a 37 year old kid. Seriously!
08:07* Shingoshi was very bad!
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<rjune>
jammcq: you around?
08:11
<jammcq>
yep
08:11
<rjune>
I'm trying to setup a postfix based spam proxy
08:11
<jammcq>
heh
08:12
I barely know enough about postfix to make it work for myself
08:12
<sepski>
rjune, is it not wiser to ask in #postfix ?
08:12
<rjune>
sepski: perhaps, but Jim's done it before
08:12
and he and I go back a bit.
08:13
<jammcq>
well, ask your question, maybe I can help
08:13
<rjune>
when I go to setup the domain, it has to be a virtual domain, right? or do I not have to set up a domain at all?
08:14
same config as backup mailserver
08:15
<jammcq>
umm
08:15
for postfix to accept any email, I think the domain has to match
08:16
<sepski>
i use a transport map for those
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<jammcq>
postfix will accept incoming mail for any domains listed in 'mydestination'
08:17
if it's not listed there, I think it'll either reject the mail, or try to forward it to somewhere else, if relaying is allowed
08:17
<sepski>
and you can choose if you want to use a recipient list, but personaly i just use the verify_recipient system in postfix. to not have to keep a list of valid recipients
08:18
<rjune>
k
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08:31
<joebaker>
ltsp5 printing to parallel port: I have:
08:31
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
08:31
PRINTER_0_DEVICE=p
08:31
But it's not working. (I'll try a capital P)
08:31
<ogra>
your prointer device is called p ?
08:31
*printer
08:32
just drop the second line ;)
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08:32
<joebaker>
Oh, I see. Should be PRINTER_0_TYPE=P
08:32
<ogra>
which is uneeded
08:32
<joebaker>
No it didn't work with just the first line either.
08:32
But I'll gladly try again.
08:32
<ogra>
ltsp5 is capable of guessing the type by the used device
08:33
<joebaker>
Cool
08:33
<ogra>
so all you need is: PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0
08:33
<rjune>
GodFather: hey!
08:33
<ogra>
or PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/usblp0 for usb printers :)
08:33
<joebaker>
Then it should be accessable via ltsp_ip_address:9100
08:33
<Capricorn^800>
anyone help me in sound settings ?
08:34
<ogra>
if you mean ltsp_ip_address == client_ip_address, yes :)
08:34
<joebaker>
Thanks Ogra!
08:34
<petre>
Capricorn^800: what's your problem?
08:35
<Capricorn^800>
i want to setup sound on thin clients
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<petre>
what version of ltsp and which distro?
08:35
<Capricorn^800>
first i have some confusion
08:36
can i do it locally on each thin client not server ?
08:36
4.2 .. k12ltsp
08:36
<petre>
have sound on the clients, not the server? yes
08:36
you don't even need a sound card in the server
08:37
<Capricorn^800>
ok
08:37
how can i do that ?
08:38
<petre>
edit /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
08:38
<Capricorn^800>
ok
08:38
well i did SOUND = Y
08:38
<petre>
uncomment 'SOUND_DAEMON = "esd"' line
08:38
<Capricorn^800>
yea did this too
08:38
next ?
08:39
<petre>
what kind of sound cards are in your clients?
08:39
ISA or PCI based?
08:39
<Capricorn^800>
i think ISA
08:39
<petre>
or built-in?
08:39
<Capricorn^800>
coz systems are p-II
08:40
<petre>
if ISA, you need to uncomment the SMODULE_01 line
08:40
SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
08:40
<Capricorn^800>
then are built -in
08:41
<petre>
hmm, I think built-ins are PCI, even on PII
08:41
do this
08:41
in lts.conf, uncomment the line
08:41
<Capricorn^800>
this : <petre> SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
08:42
<petre>
SCREEN_02 = shell
08:42
<Capricorn^800>
ok done
08:42
<petre>
yes, the SMODULE line is for specifying sound modules as necessary, but let's wait on that yet
08:43
after turning on SCREEN_02, reboot the client
08:43
<Capricorn^800>
i uncomment the line SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1" and screen = shell
08:43
<petre>
when it's at the login screen, press Ctl-Alt-F2 and you'll get a command prompt
08:43
<Capricorn^800>
petre: do fully help me in this :)
08:43
yes i there
08:44
yes i amd there
08:44
yes i am there
08:44
<petre>
type lspci and see if it lists a sound card
08:45
<Capricorn^800>
i can see few devices
08:46
like ISA bridge , pci bridge
08:46
<petre>
anything that looks like a sound card...sb something or other (sb is often short for sound blaster)
08:47
<Capricorn^800>
no
08:48
<petre>
perhaps it is ISA
08:48
can you boot a knoppix disk on the client?
08:49
It's kinda roundabout method, but it has worked for me
08:49
<Capricorn^800>
wait . i have to search that . i hope i will found it
08:49
<Shingoshi>
ogra: Can I put all of the sources for everything into the same directory and compile them together? Or can I compile them separately and then put them all into them same directory to install all of them at the same time?
08:50
<petre>
Knoppix has great hardwaare detection, so use that to get the sound cards config
08:50
then use those settings in lts.conf
08:51
<jkommeri>
Capricorn^800: do you know the type of your motherboard?
08:51
<Capricorn^800>
should i insert that knoppix cd in thin client ?
08:51
<ogra>
Shingoshi, what do you want to cimpile ?
08:51
<petre>
yes, just as a way to find out the sound card settings
08:52
there's probably a better way to do this, but has worked for me several times
08:52
<Capricorn^800>
well i got knoppix-GIS cd n i have insert it
08:53
<petre>
brb, gotta take my son out to the bus stop...
08:53
<Capricorn^800>
petre: i got 64 MB ram on thin client n it giving me error
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<Shingoshi>
I want to put everything that is required for ltsp together in a single package. I want to compile all of the sources as a single file. I know that I can use autoscan to recreate a configure script. But I have never done this with multiple sources combined into a single package source tree.
08:54
<Capricorn^800>
jkommeri: Intel
08:54
<Shingoshi>
ogra: I want to put everything that is required for ltsp together in a single package. I want to compile all of the sources as a single file. I know that I can use autoscan to recreate a configure script. But I have never done this with multiple sources combined into a single package source tree.
08:54
<Capricorn^800>
i have dell optiflex G1 p-II systems
08:54
<ogra>
define "everything that is required for ltsp"
08:55
to have a client chroot or to set up the server pieces ?
08:55
<Shingoshi>
All dependencies.
08:55
<Capricorn^800>
petre: wat should i do ?
08:55
<ogra>
Shingoshi, for the client side thats what ltsp-build-client does
08:56
https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/feisty-ltsp is the source tree for ltsp5
08:56
<Shingoshi>
What about the server though?
08:56
<ogra>
on the server side the ltsp-server and ltsp-server-standalone packages do whats needed
08:56
its all in the source
08:57
<Shingoshi>
Is dash in the source as well? etc..
08:57
<ogra>
just pull a branch of it and have a look
08:57
<Capricorn^800>
petre: u there ?
08:57
<ogra>
Shingoshi, no, thats something thats defined by the distros boostrap mechanism ...
08:58
(debootsrap in ubuntu/debian or anaconda in redhat ...)
08:58
dunno how the other tools for other distros are called
08:58
<bricode>
ogra: What's the current state of that fat clients workstation script?
08:58
<ogra>
bricode, postponed to next ubuntu release ...
08:59
<bricode>
ogra: Really? Humm. Too bad.
08:59
<ogra>
bricode, a proper network authentication mechanism is needed first
08:59
we have a webkiosk plugin now though ...
08:59
<Shingoshi>
You probably have no idea what the Slackware boostrap mech is?
08:59
<ogra>
which assembles already the first bits of the fat client spec
09:00
Shingoshi, i would have listed it above if i knew :)
09:00
<Shingoshi>
ogra: ^
09:00
ok
09:00
<bricode>
ogra: That's true. I remember playing around with it, and had to change things in the passwd and group files.
09:00
<Capricorn^800>
petre: u there ?
09:00
<Shingoshi>
What, God doesn't know everything?
09:00
LOL LOL LOL
09:01
ogra: I will never leave you alone now!
09:01
<ogra>
bricode, right ... the proper way is to have ldap auth and pam mounting the users homedirs for fat clients ...
09:01
<rjune>
Shingoshi: this is the 1st church of jammcq, ogra is a prophet of such. sheesh
09:01
<Capricorn^800>
petre: dont leave me
09:01
<ogra>
rjune++
09:01
:)
09:02
rjune, rather a priest though :)
09:02
<rjune>
heh
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<Capricorn^800>
petre: u there ?
09:07
oh man :(
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<ogra>
Capricorn^800, just wait until he's finished with his son
09:08
he said he'd return
09:09
<Capricorn^800>
hmm
09:09
ok
09:09
thx for telling me
09:09
<ogra>
*he* told you above ... :)
09:09
<Capricorn^800>
sorry i missed that
09:12
<bricode>
ogra: I did some network benchmarking of thin vs. fat clients.
09:12* Shingoshi screwed up his color scheme.
09:12
<ogra>
bricode, and ?
09:12
<bricode>
ogra: Had some what I thought were surprising results.
09:12
<ogra>
i suspect after booting fat client will take a lot less
09:13
<bricode>
ogra: From boot to login on thin client was ~70-80MB (I have exact figured written down somewhere)
09:13
ogra: Similar for fat client.
09:13
<ogra>
a thin client will constantly have network traffic for X .... while a fat client only needs the net if you start an app or have any r/w stuff going on
09:14
<bricode>
ogra: Fat client from login screen to desktop needs >100 MB transfer.
09:14
<ogra>
wow, i would have expected more
09:14
100MB isnt much
09:14
<bricode>
ogra: You'd think that would be true. Thin clients needed ~30kbps "heartbeat" maintenance transfer over ssh.
09:14
ogra: The actual figure for Edubuntu was about 140MB I think.
09:15
<ogra>
still, not much for a full desktop you recieve over the net
09:15
my guess would have been above 200M
09:15
<bricode>
ogra: Fat clients also had an NFS heartbeat. Don't know why though. Traffic was also about 20-30kbps
09:16
ogra: The thick client multi-media and voip worked like gold though. :)
09:16
<ogra>
yeah
09:16
thats because its a full ubuntu ... working similar to the liveCD
09:16
you dont need weird workarounds to play tricks with networking on fat clients
09:17
<bricode>
ogra: Yep. I was debating on whether or not to do some more benchmarking and write something up for Ubuntu Live in July.
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<bricode>
Silly sleeping laptop.
09:18
<ogra>
hh
09:18
heh
09:19
you'll be at ubuntu live ?
09:19
<bricode>
I'm considering going.
09:19
<ogra>
at uds as well ?
09:19
<Capricorn^800>
ogra: u do me a favour
09:19
<bricode>
I used to work in Portland and have friends there.
09:19
Is there a uds at the same time?
09:19
I guess there probably would be for Feisty+1
09:19
<Capricorn^800>
i have to leave now and during whole peter was the only person who know about my sound problem
09:19
<ogra>
no, in may in spain ... but if yu sit in the US it might be a bit expensive
09:20
<petre>
Capricorn^800: I'm back
09:20
<Capricorn^800>
oh thx
09:20
petre i was about to leave
09:20
ok i did boot from knoppix
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<Capricorn^800>
n did lspci
09:20
<petre>
does sound work with the knoppix?
09:21
<ogra>
you pci list wont change between knoppix and k12 :)
09:21
<Capricorn^800>
but didnt find any specific sound option maker there
09:21
ok wat should i do
09:21
<bricode>
ogra: I'm in/near Toronto.
09:21
<ogra>
bricode, ah
09:21
<Capricorn^800>
petre: i am on knoppix
09:21
<petre>
Capricorn^800: is sound working?
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<ogra>
bricode, i remember we met in MV but didnt remember where you're from :)
09:22
sbalneav, scottie !!!!!!!!!
09:22
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra
09:22
<petre>
Scoot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:22
<bricode>
ogra: I was pretty aloof in MV.
09:23
<Capricorn^800>
petre: how can i check that on knoppix ?
09:23
<ogra>
well, we still shook hands :) and you didnt wear gloves ;)
09:23
<bricode>
ogra: Although the fat client stuff isn't ready, I would think there would be a use case for something that doesn't need login.
09:23
<petre>
did you hear the 'Initiating startup sequence' sound during bootup?
09:23
<bricode>
ogra: Like a kiosk. Or *cough* OLPC.
09:24
<ogra>
yeah, the kiosk plugin i uploaded yesterday is an example
09:24
its included now ...
09:24
<Capricorn^800>
no
09:24
<bricode>
ogra: Awesome
09:24
<ogra>
ltsp-build-client --kios gives ou a webkiosk out of the box
09:24
<petre>
hmm, not good
09:24
<ogra>
*--kiosk
09:24
<bricode>
ogra: Included in Feisty or git or what?
09:25
<ogra>
apart from that its trivial to chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ;)
09:25
in feisty
09:25
yesterdays upload of ltsp includes it ...
09:25
<petre>
I don't have a knoppix handy at the moment, but I think there's a Multimedia menu, right?
09:25
<ogra>
(it still has some bugs but will be ready for release)
09:26
ltsp (0.134) feisty; urgency=low
09:26
.
09:26
* enable the kiosk plugin (ltsp-build-client will accept the --kiosk
09:26
option now)
09:26
<Capricorn^800>
ok
09:26
so wat next should i try ?
09:26
<Shingoshi>
ogra: Ignore this. Just testing my colors.
09:26
<petre>
do a locate for some wav files and try to play them with any of the sound apps
09:26
<Shingoshi>
Ok. I got them to work again.
09:26
<bricode>
ogra: Groovy.
09:27
<Capricorn^800>
ok
09:27
<ogra>
i'm looking for an easy way for the admins to install flash still ...
09:27
ltsp doesnt have universe or multiverse in the list by default ... and i cant make that a default ... so it will need a proper script
09:28
i dont want to bother admins with to many commandline tasks if its possible to mae it easier
09:29
Capricorn^800, /usr/share/sounds usually contains some sound files
09:29
<Capricorn^800>
petre: i just restarted the system
09:29
ok
09:29
<Shingoshi>
ogra: I can get me to have a color for my nick. But I want to give other users nicks colors as well. When I set it on autocolor, I can't specify who gets what color. Using KSirc.
09:30
<ogra>
no idea about kde apps here ... i'm a gnme guy :)
09:30
*gnome even
09:30
<Capricorn^800>
petre: one more thing . i have a same system on which i have installed window and on its device manager .. its telling crystal in sound card option
09:30
<petre>
ogra: have you looked at eric harrison's script for installing flash in k12ltsp?
09:30
<Capricorn^800>
secondly i have open another system and i can view crystal chip on mother board
09:30
<ogra>
petre, no, and that wont work with muecow i suspect
09:31
<Shingoshi>
Maybe there is a ksirc line here.
09:31
<petre>
He just gives root an icon that the admin clicks on to pull flash down
09:31
<ogra>
petre, ubuntu has a poper flash9 package
09:31
<petre>
can't you use that?
09:31
<ogra>
so i need to use that ... the problem is that the archive comonent it comes from isnt enabled by default in the client chroot
09:32
so that would need the admin to enable it, run apt-get update and install it in a chrooted environment ...
09:32* petre is only amateur with apt-get
09:32
<ogra>
a task i'D prefer to do scripted
09:32
well, not different to yum i guess
09:32
<petre>
can a repo be specified in a command line? without running apt-get update?
09:32* ogra is not even an amateur with yum though :)
09:33
<ogra>
no
09:33
you need to get the package lists from the server
09:33
which is what apt-get update does
09:34
<petre>
eric ships the livna and freshrpm repos turned off by default
09:34
same issues I suspect
09:34
<ogra>
hmm, i wonder if i shouldnt just integrate python-ltsp with python-apt ...
09:34
that would probably solve it very elegant ... but exclude rpm distros from python-ltsp
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09:35
<ogra>
is there such a thing like python-rpm ?
09:35
<Capricorn^800>
petre: did u read me previous line
09:35
<petre>
not that I know of
09:35
<ogra>
some python module that provides rpm functions ?
09:35
hmm, sad
09:35
<Capricorn^800>
n i tried to open wav file with xmms but it give me error could'nt open audio
09:35
<petre>
Capricorn^800: yes, I'm looking for crystal drivers on my K12ltsp5 box
09:36
<ogra>
having transparent package installation opportunities in python-ltsp would really rock the world ...
09:36
<petre>
Capricorn^800: what config settings, io, irq, etc, is Windows using for your sousnd card?
09:36
*sound
09:37
ogra: yes, that would be the holy grail
09:37
;-)
09:38
ogra: is python-lstp just an api?
09:38
*ltsp
09:39
<ogra>
petre, https://launchpad.net/python-ltsp
09:39
a package is in ubuntu feisty already ... i'm building a gui tool for ltsp mainteance on top of it atm
09:40
<Capricorn^800>
<petre> Capricorn^800: what config settings, io, irq, etc, is Windows using for your sousnd card? how can i check that on windows ?
09:41
i can see in Device manager sound option Crystal WDM Audio codex n few more options like this
09:41
<ogra>
petre, it came from http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ which i ripped apart to have the generic usable functions as python modules so KDE can write a QT gui for it and you can easily have web and commandlie tols as well
09:41
or even integrate ltsp status info in other apps by just importing python-ltsp
09:42
<petre>
ogra: cool!
09:43
Capricorn^800: Isn't there a hardware manager or some such in windows?
09:43* petre doesn't use windows much any more
09:43
<ogra>
petre, :
09:43
>>> import ltsp
09:43
>>> ltsp.status.tftp()
09:43
True
09:44
like that :)
09:44
or
09:44
>>> ltsp.dictionary.keymaps('/opt/ltsp/i386')
09:44
['ar', 'be', 'bg', 'br', 'ch_de', 'ch_fr', 'cz', 'cz_qwerty', 'de', 'de_CH', 'dk', 'dvorak', 'en_US', 'es', 'fr' ....
09:47
<petre>
man, I gotta get ubuntu going on my test box, so I can try these things out
09:47
probably have to wait for feisty, tho
09:47
dapper and edgy won't run on it for some odd reason
09:48
<ogra>
hmm, why ?
09:48
<bricode>
ogra: Do you know if any Canonical people are working on OLPC stuff?
09:48
<petre>
not sure, something locks up during the hardware detection
09:48
<ogra>
bricode, not atm .... mark wants to see some community effort first afaik
09:49
petre, during boot of the CD ?
09:49
<petre>
yes
09:49
<Capricorn^800>
petre: i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor
09:49
<ogra>
often thats caused by strange video modes ... try to select a different one at he CD bootscreen :)
09:49
<bricode>
ogra: Gotcha.
09:50
<petre>
I think I did, same result, although it's been a few weeks, so my memory isn't perfect
09:50
<ogra>
bricode, it would be cool tohave a community driven team for it though ... but i dont see anyone picking it up yet
09:50
<bricode>
ogra: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ is pretty!
09:50
<Capricorn^800>
petre: if u dont mind can u give me ur 10 mins . as i have to leave for home . its almost 10 pm here
09:51
<petre>
I can't get to the machine right now: my wife is using it's monitor, kb, mouse, net connection, etc. with a loaner machine
09:51
<ogra>
bricode, yeah, but not functional :)
09:51
its a usable mockup that doesnt write any configs ...
09:51
<bricode>
ogra: Oh. No fun in functional. Well, I look forward to it :)
09:51
ogra: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=876jZuLhsbU
09:51
<ogra>
but the client building works fine via gui :)
09:52
<petre>
Capricorn^800: find the irq, io settings that windows is using and try those in SMODULE_01
09:52
<bricode>
ogra: Guess which kernel that demo uses :)
09:52
<Capricorn^800>
petre: i dont know how to found it in windows
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<ogra>
bricode, sweet
09:53
!
09:53
<petre>
Capricorn^800: nor do I, but try the Control Panel->System Config and look for Hardware or some such
09:53
<bricode>
ogra: It's funny. When it boots up it has the Ubuntu flash screen, then the CLI boot starts and reads "Staring Fedora Core".
09:53
<ogra>
heh
09:54
<bricode>
ogra: Sadly not shown in the video. Yet.
09:54
<petre>
Capricorn^800: you might also check back here on #ltsp and look for Gadi, as he is the real sound wizard
09:54
(he's not here right now)
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09:55
<Capricorn^800>
i will
09:55
<petre>
Capricorn^800: you might also consider spending $5-$10 for a PCI soundcard which will generally just work out of the box
09:55
<Capricorn^800>
ok i will
09:55
<petre>
but that involves spending $$$ which isn't always an option
09:55
<Capricorn^800>
but can u tell me
09:56
<petre>
but it is an option
09:56
<Capricorn^800>
wat i should do next if i know the sound card name etc
09:57
<petre>
sound cards are listed in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/audiolist
09:57
look for the card name there
09:57
although those might only be for PCI cards
09:57* petre not sure about what kind of cards audiolist contains
09:57
<petre>
Gadi would know
09:58
sbalneav: do you know if audiolist only pertains to pci soundcards?
09:58
<sbalneav>
I beleive so
09:58
<petre>
brb
09:59
<Capricorn^800>
petre listen
09:59
sbalneav : hi
09:59
i mail u 2 times regarding my usb problem
09:59
<sbalneav>
Hello
09:59
<Capricorn^800>
but u didnt reply
09:59
<sbalneav>
?
10:00
What email?
10:00
<Capricorn^800>
i got that wiki doc of local devices n in that ur name is mentioned n also ur email
10:01
<sbalneav>
What name did you email me as?
10:01
I'll look in my Inbox, but I don't see any LTSP questions that I haven't responded to.
10:02
<Capricorn^800>
wait
10:02
mean while i m having trouble with me sound on ltsp
10:02
thats ur id sbalneav@ltsp.org ?
10:03
<sbalneav>
sbalneav@ltsp.org is me, yes.
10:03
<Capricorn^800>
i m sending my mail again
10:05
can u help me in sound problem ?
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10:06
<sbalneav>
What's your sound problem?
10:07
<Capricorn^800>
i want to configure sound on thin clients
10:07
not server
10:07
i have enabled SOUND = y
10:08
SOUND_DAEMON = esd
10:08
SMODULE_01 = "sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1"
10:09
but my thin client box not telling me sound card name with lspci .. but i have same system with windows installed on it and in its device manager i can see Crystal sound card in sound controllers option
10:09
n also on motherboard i can crystal chipsit
10:09
so i means that its crystal sound card
10:10
after that i dont know wat to do to make me sound working on thin client ?
10:10
need help after that
10:11
<petre>
Capricorn^800: sorry, phone rang, had to take a crisis call
10:11
<sbalneav>
I don't know what type of soundcard a crystal soundcard is, so I'm not sure.
10:11
Have you booted something like Knoppix on the box, to see what it detects for a soundcard?
10:11
<petre>
sbalneav: knoppix doesn't see it
10:11
may be ISA based
10:12
<Capricorn^800>
i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor as i see in the sound and audio devices properties
10:13
<sbalneav>
I haven't seen an email yet, by the way.
10:14
We have Greylisting turned on on my mailserver. Maybe your mail server you send through doesn't re-transmit mails?
10:15
As for the sound card, I really don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what kind of chipset a crystal soundcard is, so I have no idea if the sb module will work on it, or what IO, DMA or IRQ it's on.
10:15
<bricode>
Does anyone have a decent writeup on how to boot different thin client environments?
10:15
<sbalneav>
Do you have a manual for the motherboard, which may tell you some of this information?
10:16
<bricode>
ie: Edubuntu, Ubuntu, other from the PXE boot menu?
10:16
<sbalneav>
What PXE boot menu?
10:16
Most PXE implementations don't have a menu/
10:17
Some do, I think. Are you talking about having multiple LTSP versions? Or just logging into different desktops?
10:17
<ogra>
bricode, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot ?
10:18
not sure how to tweak it to get it offerint multiple client env though
10:18
*offering
10:19
<bricode>
ogra: Close. Suppose I need to do some reading on pxelinux.cfg file formats.
10:20
sbalneav: Multiple LTSP versions.
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<bricode>
sbalneav: I know it sounds like a crazy idea, but I have my reasons :)
10:21
<rossman>
SO I just set up edubuntu and copied over my conf files and what not from another ltsp install (on ubuntu) and I can't locate the tftp file on starting the thin client.
10:21
bah, i think I just found it
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10:21
<rossman>
nevermind
10:21
<renatowinner>
ola
10:22
hello
10:22
<rossman>
was wrong. I'm still lost. I used the filename and option root-path from the edubuntu site, but I've got nothing
10:22
anyone know what the4se should be set to?
10:23
<renatowinner>
i'm from brazil
10:23
help in ltsp
10:23
<rossman>
rena: what do you need?
10:23
<renatowinner>
help in dhcp
10:24
<rossman>
fine, what is wrong?
10:25
<bricode>
rossman: In Ubuntu the tftp files are located in /var/lib/tftpboot/
10:26
<rossman>
so should my filename read /var/lib/tftpboot? That seems off
10:26
<renatowinner>
you can help me to install ltsp in linux kurumin
10:26
it etou with many you doubt :/
10:28
<bricode>
rossman: from dhcpd.conf
10:28
<rossman>
kurumin is knoppix based, whcih is well outside my area of expertise, but any info on loading ltsp in knoppix should help
10:28
<bricode>
rossman: filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
10:28
<rossman>
excellent
10:28
<ogra>
rossman, edubuntu installs all files you need in the rigth places, there is no need at all to touch anything ...
10:28
why did you copy stuff over them ?
10:28
<rossman>
I copied them over because i already had 40 terminals set up and I don't want to have ot readd them all one at a time. They're on fixed IP addresses
10:29
<bricode>
rossman: but the directory it actually uses adds the prefix /var/lib/tftpboot/ , so in my case my files are in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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10:29
<renatowinner>
they alguem can help me step by step?
10:29
<ogra>
rossman, ugh, then your dhcp.conf is huge, i see
10:29
<rossman>
quite
10:29
<renatowinner>
I am new in linux
10:29
<ogra>
but you should have made a backup of the files before copying new ones over them ;)
10:30
/etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf has all hints you need in it usually :)
10:30
<rossman>
and my office network is fixed IP, so I can't put a random dhcp server out there. It might grab all sorts of poorly configured crap.
10:30
I suspect I did. I'll check
10:30
<bricode>
ogra: That reminds me. There is no mention that the TFTP files are prefixed with /var/lib/tftpboot. in dhcpd.conf. Took me a while to figure that out.
10:30
<ogra>
bricode, well, why would you touch it at all ?
10:31
<bricode>
ogra: Because I'm difficult :)
10:31
<ogra>
ltsp-update-kernels cares for kernel maintenance ... and if you work with the defult files the values are all right ...
10:31
i.e. right paths in /etc/ltsp/dhcp.conf
10:31
<bricode>
ogra: And because I wanted to figure out the inner workings of LTSP.
10:32
ogra: Also, I think there was a difference in the base dhcp3d package, and the one that LTSP installs, so I got confused.
10:32
<ogra>
ah, k
10:32
well, /var/lib/tftpboot is the FHS location afaik
10:32
<renatowinner>
they alguem can help me step by step?
10:33
<bricode>
renatowinner: What are you trying to do?
10:34
<rossman>
ok, that worked much better. It got to the edubuntu load screen. Then I get this error:
10:34
/bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off (initramfs)
10:35
<ogra>
thats an nfs timeout ...
10:35
you should see the real errormessage somewhere above
10:35
<renatowinner>
bricode: to install ltsp in linux kurumin.
10:35
if it will be able to ajduar me I will be grateful
10:35
<ogra>
check your nfs server and that there is no dhcpd running in your network that hands out adresses to the clients ...
10:36
<rossman>
nothing above.
10:36
check my nfs server. Got it
10:36
<ogra>
and make very sure there is no dhcp other server *anywhere*
10:37
that is, if the clients boot nd get an answer from that one, they wont get a root-path handed over
10:37
<bricode>
renatowinner: I can't read Portuguese, but does this help? http://www.guiadohardware.net/guias/01/
10:38
renatowinner: Where are you in Brazil?
10:39
<rossman>
er . . . and idea which nfs file might be the config file?
10:39
it's not my thing
10:39
<bricode>
rossman: /etc/exports
10:40
<rossman>
thanks. It's passing /opt/ltsp
10:40
<renatowinner>
bricode: yes, I am Brazilian more I am not understanding the aid of the site ?guides of the hardware?. you it will be able to help me?
10:40
<rossman>
shoudl I comment it out?
10:40
<bricode>
rossman: Make sure you restart the nfs daemon after you change it.
10:41
<rossman>
checking now
10:42
same error. I suspect somehting in my dhcp file is wrong
10:42
still
10:43
should my root path be /opt/ltsp/i386?
10:44
<bricode>
rossman: Yep.
10:44
<ogra>
rossman, only in the dhcp config
10:44
do not change /etc/exports
10:45
<rossman>
well, that much is correct, then
10:45
<bricode>
renatowinner: http://www.guiadohardware.net/guias/01/index2.php
10:45
renatowinner: It is a step by step guide for installing LTSP on Kurumin.
10:45
<rossman>
er . . .I commented out the ltsp line in /etc/exports. Was that incorrect?
10:46
<ogra>
yes
10:46
<rossman>
I'll try again
10:46
<ogra>
if you dont touch the edubuntu setup after install, you will have an out of the box running ltsp server
10:46
so be very careful which tweaks you make
10:47
the defaults are well tested and work for several thousand users :)
10:47
<mistik1>
has anyone seriously looked into integrating pulseaudio into ltsp?
10:48
<rossman>
crap. nada
10:48
<bricode>
rossman: Make sure you restart the nfs demon.
10:48
<rossman>
are the default files online anywhere? I can just put them back and give it a shot
10:49
I restarted nfs-common and nfs-kernel-server
10:49
that seems to be all I have
10:50
<bricode>
rossman: That should do it for nfs.
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10:50
<ogra>
mistik1, to late
10:51
<mistik1>
ogra: ??
10:51
<rossman>
hmm . . . let me try a reboot just to be sure. If that doesn't work, I may need to reinstall it (rather put the default files back in place if they exist anywhere)
10:51
<ogra>
mistik1, ubuntu feisty already uses it :P
10:51
<mistik1>
hehe
10:51
<rossman>
if they don't, is there a way to rerun the initial setup to recreate them?
10:51
<mistik1>
great
10:51
<ogra>
i'm waiting for gst-puse and alsa-plugins to enter main, the its complete
10:51
*then
10:51
<cstextiles>
Does anyone knows any utility through which i can use the vnc like utility in a ltsp environment?
10:51
<ogra>
*gst-pulse
10:52
<sbalneav>
mistik1: Hey!
10:52
<ogra>
mistik1, pulse rocks so hard
10:52
<sbalneav>
How are you?
10:53
<bricode>
ogra: sweet. So that fixes a lot of audio issues in thin client setup right?
10:53
<ogra>
yep
10:53
lots of them
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10:53
<mistik1>
sbalneav: here there man, i'm doing good
10:53
<ogra>
with gst-pulse and alsa-plugins, pulse just emulates an alsa device
10:54
so oyu can do volume control etc just like with a local card
10:54
all apps supporting alsa just work etc
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10:54
<mistik1>
ogra: what method did you guys use, per-user or systemwide?
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10:55
<ogra>
i run a systemwide pulse server on the client listening on a network port
10:55
<mistik1>
I was looking into it last night but could not figure out what would run in server vs ltsp environment
10:55
<sbalneav>
mistik1: Hey, the pastebot's been down for a while? Any chance of getting it back up?
10:55
<ogra>
on the server in the users session i run asoundconf set-pulseaudio if LTSP_CLIENT is set
10:55
thats it, the rest is magic
10:56
<renatowinner>
if nobody wanted to help me thanks a lot thus exactly goes to try to read the guide all.
10:56
<mistik1>
sbalneav: My colo skipped town on me months ago and I cant even seem to get my data back from him
10:56
<sbalneav>
Yikes, sucks!
10:56
<mistik1>
I would gladly setup the pastebot on Jim's server to get it going again
10:56
<sbalneav>
Maybe send Jim and email, we've been feeling the loss :)
10:56
<ogra>
that would be cool, i'm really missing the ping feature
10:57* ogra resorted to paste.ubuntu-nl.org ... which indeed doesnt send notifications to #ltsp
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10:58
<mistik1>
I cant tell you guys just how pissed I am over the whole deal
10:58
<mathesis>
hi all
10:58
<sbalneav>
I can imagine.
10:59
<mistik1>
I even had customers on that webserver
10:59
<mathesis>
LTSP5 have support for rdesktop?
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11:01
<rossman>
reboot = still no good. Is there some way to rebuild ltsp on edubuntu?
11:01
<mistik1>
ogra: do you also use alsa vs OSS on the ltsp client?
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11:03
<ogra>
mistik1, OSS isnt supported in ubuntu since ubuntu exists
11:03
we always used alsa
11:03
<mistik1>
ok
11:04
<ogra>
al i did was to replace the esound server with pulse and make the alsa emu in the session happen
11:05
<nofxx>
cliebow: heyy running like a charm... 8 machines now.. sound.... xD tnx ... ogra ! tnx !
11:05
<mistik1>
interesting
11:05
<ogra>
:)
11:05
mistik1, one part thats missing is autodetection of input devices on the client since we cant use hal there
11:06
thats one point i'd like to solve next release
11:06
but after that i see no reason to touch the sound implementation anymore
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<mistik1>
I'd love to see the script for the thin-client side
11:07
I guess I'll have to qemu the latest ubuntu
11:08
<mathesis>
how can listening the sound youtube.com in the thin-clients?
11:14
<nofxx>
how can I see what ltsp version I'm running? from edubuntu 6.10
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11:15
<CaPRiCorN^80>
hi again
11:15
petre: u around ?
11:15
<petre>
yes
11:15
<CaPRiCorN^80>
ok
11:16
<nofxx>
mathesis: im trying that too .. check this http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound#Adobe_Flash_9
11:16
<CaPRiCorN^80>
n hope sbalneav also
11:16
well i m not at office .. at that time power went off
11:16
<sbalneav>
I'm around.
11:16
<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav : u got my mail ?
11:17
<sbalneav>
CaPRiCorN^80: No. I have greylisting on my mail server. Does your mail host retransmit mail messages?
11:17
Perhaps that's the problem.
11:17
<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav : i m sending from hotmail
11:18
<sbalneav>
Ah
11:18
I don't think hotmail retransmits.
11:18
<CaPRiCorN^80>
wat should i do ?
11:18
try from yahoo ?
11:18
<sbalneav>
Well, seeing as how we're talking RIGHT NOW, why don't you just ASK YOUR QUESTION?
11:19
<CaPRiCorN^80>
well right now i talk about that sound thing
11:19
but i m not in office so i cannot practically check things
11:20
anyways i told in last about my sound card
11:20
<sbalneav>
Try sending to sbalneav@alburg.net
11:21
<CaPRiCorN^80>
is the main chat some where on web ?
11:21
ok
11:21
<sbalneav>
And as for your sound card, my last words to you were:
11:21
As for the sound card, I really don't know what to tell you. I have no idea what kind of chipset a crystal soundcard is, so I have no idea if the sb module will work on it, or what IO, DMA or IRQ it's on.
11:22
<CaPRiCorN^80>
can u paste my last statment
11:22
i wrote about Intel thing
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<sbalneav>
i guess its intel 82371AB/EB PCI to ISA bridge (ISA mode ) n its manufacture: Crystal Semiconductor as i see in the sound and audio devices properties
11:23
<CaPRiCorN^80>
yes right
11:24
<sbalneav>
So, like I said above:
11:24
<nofxx>
hum... can I use the nvidia drivers you get from synaptic on the clients?? i have onboard nvidias there
11:24
this is confusing me.... http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia ... it says 2.4
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11:24
<CaPRiCorN^80>
so wat u suggest ?
11:24
<sbalneav>
I don't know what kind of chipset a Crystal soundcard is, and I have no idea what the IO port, IRQ and DMA are.
11:24
I'd suggest buying a proper soundcard.
11:25
<CaPRiCorN^80>
but there should be some solution to it
11:25
<sbalneav>
Something PCI that can be auto-detected.
11:25
<CaPRiCorN^80>
hmm
11:25
ok
11:25
<sbalneav>
Sure, there's a solution.
11:25
You find out what kind of driver works with it, and what IO port, DMA, and IRQ it's actually on.
11:26
You'd do that by looking in the motherboard manual, or maybe in the bios setup screen.
11:26
<CaPRiCorN^80>
i did find IRQ on window in office
11:27
<sbalneav>
Dude, got the email
11:27
Do me a favour: resend it without all the html garbage in it.
11:27
<CaPRiCorN^80>
thx :)
11:27
<sbalneav>
plain text please.
11:27
<CaPRiCorN^80>
i contains only plain text
11:28
hmmm
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11:29
<jammcq>
sbalneav: SCOTTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:29
<ogra>
jammcq, wow, now *that* was a delayed action
11:29
:)
11:30
<jammcq>
yeah
11:30
too many things going on at the same time
11:30
<ogra>
bt i took your part when he joined :)
11:30* jammcq needs a better scheduler
11:30
<jammcq>
maybe a preemptive scheduler
11:31
<ogra>
you mean a crystal ball ?
11:31
with calendaring function :)
11:31
<sbalneav>
CaPRiCorN^80: Your problem is with step 4 and step 10
11:31
<jammcq>
ogra: and reminders
11:31
<ogra>
heh
11:31
indeed
11:31
<sbalneav>
Your workstation knows it's name as ws117
11:32
but your display variable is ws117.ltsp
11:32
they don't match.
11:32
<CaPRiCorN^80>
ok
11:32
wat should i do to make it working fine ?
11:33* jammcq thinks we need a "domain insensitive comparison function"
11:33
<ogra>
jammcq, you need avahi/zeroconf integration
11:33
that will solve all out dhcp/tftp and nfs issues once and for all
11:33
<CaPRiCorN^80>
n also y is this problem occuring
11:34
<ogra>
but will sadly be a horrible amount of work to get right ...
11:35
<sbalneav>
CaPRiCorN^80: the problem's in your dhcp.conf file.
11:35
<jammcq>
sbalneav: maybe his hosts file
11:35
<sbalneav>
paste the line from /etc/hosts for ws117
11:35
well, it's either or
11:35
<jammcq>
if dhcpd.conf is doing hostname lookups
11:35
<ogra>
:)
11:36
<sbalneav>
Probably, the hosts file says: 192.168.0.117 ws117.ltsp
11:36
and the dhcpd.conf file says:
11:36
host ws117 {...
11:36
so EITHER:
11:36
1) change /etc/hosts to 192.168.0.117 ws117
11:36
OR
11:36
<ogra>
make them match anyhow :)
11:36
<jammcq>
the 'host' line in dhcpd isn't causing the problem
11:37
<CaPRiCorN^80>
ok
11:37
<sbalneav> paste the line from /etc/hosts for ws117 ????? wat to do with this
11:37
<jammcq>
the problem would be if he has 'get-lease-hostnames true' in dhcpd.conf, and has it wrong in /etc/hosts
11:38
btw, "wrong" is the way ltspcfg creates the entries in /etc/hosts
11:39
<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav: solution ?
11:39
<sbalneav>
We just said.
11:39
<jammcq>
CaPRiCorN^80: show us the line from your /etc/hosts file
11:39
<CaPRiCorN^80>
i cannot right now . as i m not in office :(
11:39
<nofxx>
esd or pulse ?? flash audio...
11:39
<jammcq>
well, gonna be hard for us to diagnose the problem
11:39
<CaPRiCorN^80>
agree
11:40
<ogra> make them match anyhow :) .. thats for me ?
11:40
<sbalneav>
I would suggest editing your /etc/hosts file, and change the ws117.ltsp reference to just ws117
11:40
<jammcq>
CaPRiCorN^80: in your /etc/hosts file, if the hostname has '.ltsp' on the end of it, remove it
11:40
<CaPRiCorN^80>
ok i will check that
11:41
<jammcq>
sbalneav: so, did you finish moving all the people out of your office?
11:41
<sbalneav>
still dealing with stuff. Just got finished screwing a desk together.
11:41
:)
11:42
<jammcq>
sbalneav: did you get that email I forwarded to you?
11:42
<sbalneav>
Yes, I did, thanks.
11:42
<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav: i heard u are busy in some project
11:42
wats going new in linux field
11:43
i mean any new invention etc
11:43
<ogra>
CaPRiCorN^80, yes, thats the pragmatic answer to your question :) sbalneav was more detailed, feel free to just ignore my babbling :)
11:43
<sbalneav>
Between our failed go-live, and my boss retiring and me being panic promoted into his place, it's been busy :)
11:43
Well, not failed, I suppose.
11:43
but not "successful" either.
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<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav: congratulation
11:44
<sbalneav>
thx
11:44
<CaPRiCorN^80>
mention not :)
11:45
<bricode>
sbalneav: Yay for lawyers in Manitoba!
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12:03
<CaPRiCorN^80>
sbalneav: if my thin client can detect pci sound card ?
12:04
wat should i do after that ?
12:05
<nofxx>
flash audio check.... oh my... last thing .. cant believe... just this nvidia video and I can celebrate...
12:06
ltsp version that comes with edubuntu... 4.2? ... this says 2.4 ....http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia
12:07
<ogra>
edubuntu comes with ltsp5
12:07
<nofxx>
ogra: should that work with 5? its 4.2 update 2 in the wiki... http://dipe.de/tipps/ltsp_nvidia
12:07
<ogra>
jammcq, you said we should corner sbalneav, remember ? he's here now :)
12:07* ogra just remembered
12:08
<jammcq>
oh yeah
12:08
<ogra>
nofxx, you want nvidia with ltsp ? just install the linux-restricted-modues package in the client chroot and use XSERV=nvidia in your lts.conf
12:09
*XSERVER
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oh207, and you probably need to install nvidia-glx as well ...
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<nofxx>
sudo apt-get install /opt/ltsp/i386 nvidia-glx ?
12:10
<CaPRiCorN^80>
can we use usb on windows ? i mean any progress on this
12:10
<joebaker>
ogra: The Parallel Port still isn't working on my ltsp5 ubuntu 6.10 client. I run a nmap against the thin client and see no 9100 port response. I'm very glad you are making such great progress on the pulse audio front.
12:11
<ogra>
joebaker, hmm, weird ... can you log in on the client and check if /dev/lp0 exists ?
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<nofxx>
pulse looks (sounds?) great... btw.... hehe gonna wait for the ubuntu repositories....
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<joebaker>
Will try
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<ogra>
and that lp_server is running
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<joebaker>
ogra: /dev/lp0 does not exist on the client --- Hey it's way cool to be able to ssh into the thin client!
12:13
<ogra>
heh
12:13
hmm, thats weird, udev should have created it
12:13
<joebaker>
ogra: lp_server isn't working either.
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<ogra>
indeed it isnt ... it checks if the device exists :)
12:14
<joebaker>
ogra: is there a command I can run to start it manually?
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<ogra>
first yu need the device
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lsmod|grep lp
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what does that return ?
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<joebaker>
Maybe it is disabled in the BIOS, but I wouldn't think so. The BIOS went back to defaults.
12:15
Returns nothing
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<CaPRiCorN^80>
ogra: u were telling some one about printer setting if i m not wrong ..
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<joebaker>
Wait....
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<ogra>
try: modprobe parport_pc
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<joebaker>
Yes, that's correct returning nothing.
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<ogra>
and then check if the device exists
12:17
<joebaker>
Device still doesn't exist.
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<ogra>
hm
12:17
<joebaker>
lsmod shows parport_pc but not lp
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<joebaker>
Maybe I should try another box with the same nic.
12:19
ogra: My lts.conf file is supporting three versions of LTSP (4.1, 4.2 and 5.0) Maybe there is something in there that is throwing it off.
12:19
<ogra>
no
12:19
thats an issue with the chroot
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not related to lts.conf
12:19
try modprobe lp
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<joebaker>
I see.
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<joebaker>
Now /dev/lp0 exists ogra.
12:20
<ogra>
if there is a parallel port in the HW the device should be created ...
12:20
thats a bug
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the workaround is to ass lp to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
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<nofxx>
ogra: i just set XSEVER = nv .. without installin on the chroot... and its working... no lag on the scroll bars.. heeh
12:21
<ogra>
*add
12:21
<joebaker>
Great! I like smashing bugs.
12:21
<nofxx>
it used the drver i installed in the server?
12:21
only problem it is 800X600... how to force?
12:22
<ogra>
give it the right X_HORZSYNC and X_VERREFRESH values for your monitor ...
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<joebaker>
Thanks Ogra: I will do the workaround for now. If you need any feedback to discover the error condition I am at your beckon call. JoeBaker@nelfc.com 262-763-3591.
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<ogra>
joebaker, /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
12:23
run that on the client now
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an check that lp_server now runs
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<joebaker>
Just ran it.
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<joebaker>
Nmap doesn't show HP Jet Direct running on the box.
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<ogra>
does lp_server run ?
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<joebaker>
no.
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<ogra>
ah, wait, export PRINTER_0_DEVICE=/dev/lp0 && /usr/lib/ltsp/start_printer 0 &
12:26
;)
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<joebaker>
Still nothing in the process list that matches lp
12:27
Before I take up more of your valuable time I should try another piece of hardware.
12:28
<ogra>
no
12:28
i still have one try :)
12:28
<joebaker>
ok
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<ogra>
/usr/lib/ltsp/lp_server -n 9100 -d /dev/lp0 &
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<joebaker>
That did it!
12:29
<ogra>
yeah
12:29
<joebaker>
EXCELLENT!
12:30
<ogra>
it should also work after next reboot if you added the lp module to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
12:30
<joebaker>
OK I'll try that
12:30
<ogra>
i'll have to find out why its not getting loaded ...
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<joebaker>
Is there a good howto for getting Pulse to work yet?
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<nofxx>
ogra: xserv=nv stops the scroll lag, but even with X_MODE=1280x1024 it stills 800x600..humm or less
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<ogra>
joebaker, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio
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<nofxx>
the server has the same monitor... copy my x conf ?
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<ogra>
i'D suggest rather getting the missing packages from feisty and rebuild them though ... but apart from that the howto is ok
12:34
nofxx, look inside that x conf for the values
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<nofxx>
xorg.conf ... only the depths and resolution values .....
12:36
i tryed 24 and 16 depth.....
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<ogra>
you can run xvidtune on the server ... just open and close it, it will write the ranges to the terminal you started it from
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<nofxx>
ogra: resolution is fixed... cant change .. only refresh rates
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<ogra>
??
12:43
how do you mean ?
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<nofxx>
running xvidtune....cant change the resolution on the client
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<ogra>
nofxx, only open and close it
12:44
dont *use* it
12:44
<nofxx>
ahh ok... so reboot the client after it ?
12:44
<ogra>
it will spit out the values you need to the terminal you started it from
12:44
<nofxx>
ahh I see...
12:44
<ogra>
then take these values and add them to lts.conf
12:45
X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH
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are the variables you want
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<nofxx>
hum.. got it...
12:46
run on the server.. i was runnin on the client.. xD
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<ogra>
indeed only if the monitor is really identical :)
12:47
<nofxx>
yup.. same all
12:48
hum...my laptop will stop working so...
12:48
i still didnt understand how can you tell: you are "ws001" , you are 02
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<ogra>
you need to set it up in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/hosts ...
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<nofxx>
by mac?
12:50
hum.. makes sense now.. xD
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: hi
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<nofxx>
X_HORZSYNC=1296-1440 correct syntax ? those warning about bricking my monitor scares me...
12:54
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: boss buy (i guess) stardarts Planet pci network adapter 10/100 MB u think with 4.2 can run
12:54
model ENW-9504
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<ogra>
nofxx, these values cant be correct
12:55
thats not a sync value ...
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<nofxx>
ogra: hum....on xvidtune... Hsyncstart, HsyncEnd.....
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ogra: erm.. let me ask better :)
12:57
ogra: did you think ltsp 4.2 have a driver into kernel to can run over planet model enw9504 standar PCI 10/100 ?
12:57
<nofxx>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: try that card on the same kernel
12:58
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: i had a *** problem with some broadcoms.... need to buy good stuff
12:58
<ogra>
nofxx, thats what xvidtune wrote in your terminal ?
12:58
<nofxx>
it opened a gui
12:58
<ogra>
there should be something containig:
12:58
hsync range 0: 28.00 - 50.00
12:58
vsync range 0: 43.00 - 75.00
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<nofxx>
ahh wait sorry... Hrozion sync .. khz... 79,98
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<ogra>
yes, and after you close the gui it spits out the values you need
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<ogra>
these values are *not* in the gui !
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<nofxx>
ahhh I see... Vendor: , Model:
12:59
Num hsync: 0, Num vsync: 0
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nothing..
12:59
<ogra>
below
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<nofxx>
"1280x1024" 135.00 1280 1296 1440 1688 1024 1025 1028 1066 +hsync +vsync
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<ogra>
no
13:00
you clicked in the gui
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only open and close it
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<nofxx>
yup.. but closing only gives those 2 lines
13:00
<ogra>
hmm, weird
13:03
<nofxx>
could this be related to X_SERVER=nv working without I installin on chroot?
13:04
the clients only 800x600 resolution I mean
13:04
<ogra>
no
13:04
nv is always installed in any chroot
13:04
nvidia isnt
13:04
nv is the free driver ...
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<nofxx>
ahhh....all comes clear now...
13:04
thats why nv is working fine on a old geforce2
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but only 800x600 on the 6100 onboard
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<ogra>
you really need to find out these values, your monitor isnt reporting them right to the xserver during the autodetection
13:05
<nofxx>
wont be better install the nvidia drivers?
13:06
i tryed the manual.. nothing
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<ogra>
hmm, wait, has the card a bios setting for allocating ram ?
13:06
<nofxx>
probably
13:06
yea.. sure
13:06
<ogra>
if its an onboard card ...
13:06
try to allocate more ram
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<nofxx>
k
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<ogra>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, i have no idea what the 4.2 kernel includes, i work only on ltsp5 ...
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ah
13:10
i think your are teste by years versions...
13:10
1 by 1
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<nofxx>
ogra: hum.. nothing... tryed 64, 128 mb...
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<ogra>
well ...
13:14
try to get these values ....
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and add them ... it should solve it
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<nofxx>
dosent worth a shot , install the nvidia ?
13:16
i just dont knwo how to use aptitude on chroot
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<nofxx>
i dont have idea how to get those values... ..
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<ogra>
nofxx, google
13:24
or the handbook of the monitor
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<slipttees>
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16331957ul0.jpg
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<CaPRiCorN^80>
ogra i got hp 1020 printer connected to windows machine on same network of ltsp
13:31
<nofxx>
think its taht .. frequency of 30-81 kHz horizontal and 56-75 Hz vertical
13:31
<CaPRiCorN^80>
but users on ltsp send print from windows only
13:31
<slipttees>
monitor CGA no screen found :(
13:31
<CaPRiCorN^80>
ogra i got hp 1020 printer connected to windows machine on same network of ltsp ?
13:32
n also printer is connected with usb cable
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<nofxx>
ogra: heheh now.. resolution working fine...... collateral.... the screen is offset .. a lot .. to the right...
13:35
even if I use the monitor to push it back... no way... hehe
13:35
<dan__t>
'morning.
13:35
I have an HP 1020, nice little printer.
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<nofxx>
what can i do now?
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<nofxx>
these things only happen with me.... even the splash screen works perfect! center... 1280.....
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i have to choose between 800x600 or 1280 offset to the right .....
14:08
on the desktop
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<nofxx>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install nvidia-glx .... should work?
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<slipttees>
ehehe =]
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<nofxx>
hehe.. i'm talking non-sense?? cant use apt-get on ltsp chroot?
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copied the source.list from my /etc/apt ..... but it hangs.. like if its not connected....
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<slipttees>
ltsp5
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?
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<nofxx>
yes
15:24
edubuntu 32
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6.10
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<slipttees>
i doesn't usgin
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using 4.2 ltsp
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<nofxx>
i see...i'm havin problem with nvidia onboard cards....... Xserver=nv the screen is offset to the right
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there is a how to install nvidia driver for 4.2 .... suppose i'll have to try those
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<ogra>
nofxx, you dont need the nvidia driver, one of your values is to high ....
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<slipttees>
i using driver "nv"
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<nofxx>
ogra: ahh you are back.. tnk god
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xD
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<slipttees>
hehehe
15:27
=]
15:27
<nofxx>
humm.. how much you think I can take off?
15:27
slipttees: if I try only nv .. the screen goes 800x600...
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lets play with those refresh values then...
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<slipttees>
repace lts.conf xserver 1024x768
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;)
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<ogra>
nofxx, remember xvidtune ?
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<nofxx>
slipttees: I did it.... dont change
15:28
yes
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<ogra>
run it on the client this time and play with the settings
15:28
<slipttees>
nope
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<nofxx>
ogra: sweet...
15:28
xD
15:29
<ogra>
but be careful :)
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<slipttees>
ltsp5 no work with my AGC display
15:31
=[
15:31
http://img468.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16331957ul0.jpg
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<nofxx>
ogra: hehe... the mouse dont show up...
15:32
its there.. i can see when it goes over buttons
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<ogra>
hmm, sounds fishy ....
15:34
what kind of card is that exactly ?
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<nofxx>
nvidia 6100 ... let me check for sure
15:35
<ogra>
the chipname would be intresting
15:36
<nofxx>
C51PV/G is the chpset... hum... cant find about gpu here.. hum.. let me see
15:38
only says geforce 6100 ....
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<ogra>
in lspci ?
15:41
well, anyway ... i have to go now you can do the following:
15:42
follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia and install nvidia-glx-legacy in the chroot
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<nofxx>
C51PV Geforce 6150
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<ogra>
sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy
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ten
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*then:
15:43
make sure to use XSERVER=nvidia
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<nofxx>
coulnd find package...
15:43
<ogra>
you likely need to install linux-restricted-modules if you havent it in the chroot yet
15:44
make sure that /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list contains restricted
15:44
and that you properly ran sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get update
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<nofxx>
I copied my server source.list to there... with everything...
15:44
<ogra>
anyway ... tomorrow ...
15:44
ciao
15:44
<nofxx>
ok..ty very much
15:44
good nite xD
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<kaos01>
how come setting LOCAL_APPS = Y doesnt mount /home ...
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<kaos01>
hi, can i get my ltsp client to resolve user id via ldap ?
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<cstextiles>
Can we start vino-server for all the lstpclient by default?
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<Shingoshi>
Hey all. I just got my new Logitech G15 keyboard. Haven't plugged it in yet. Still need to compile drivers for it.
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<kaos01>
hey dad
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<mathesis>
ogra, i no can load module scanner in edubuntu
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<PMantis>
Heeeeeeeeey jammcq
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jammcq, I gots news
22:47
:-)
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