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Channel log from 25 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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<Zen_>
irc://psyced.org
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08:30
<alkisg>
What's a good parameter name for `ltsp-update-image --export-the-whole-server-disk` ? Is plain "--export-root" reasonable?
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12:48
<wcchandler>
is it possible to ltsp-build-client off a custom set of packages or a pre-built image?
12:48
<ogra_>
ltsp-build-client --extra-help
12:48
or read the manpage
12:48
<wcchandler>
:P
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12:49
<ogra_>
it *had* an option to define/override the packageset ... not sure thats still there
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12:49
<wcchandler>
i see --mirror but that would still draw in the "default" set...
12:50
I'd prefer a custom image that I know works on my hardware
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<wcchandler>
hmm... --install-debs-dir might be useful :/ if it uses those as opposed to what's in the mirror
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13:27
<knipwim>
wcchandler: ltsp-build-client --packages ?
13:28
<wcchandler>
knipwim: will that handle pre built packages/binaries and not pull them from the mirror?
13:28
or would I tell it to get the packages I don't have in the image?
13:28
<knipwim>
depends on the distro, i can only speak for gentoo
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13:36
<alkisg>
wcchandler: in very recent ltsp versions, you can just install ltsp-client over any existing installation you like. Or you can use ltsp-build-client --install-debs-dir, if you just want a few additional .debs
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13:45
<dhana013>
Hi Guys I am to ltsp i try with ubuntu
13:46
i try to boot my client machine i got PXE-T01: File Not Found
13:46
PXE-E3B: TFTP Error - File Not Found
13:47
http://pastebin.com/e0gRWg3m my config file dhcpd.conf please guide me guys
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13:47
<alkisg>
!tftp
13:47
<ltsp`>
alkisg: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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13:50
<dhana013>
ltsp`, I tried tftp 192.168.1.50 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
13:50
this step not working
14:06
<wcchandler>
today is "one of those days" -- chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
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14:34
<dead_inside>
i like pie
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14:37
<wcchandler>
i was able to get it to install by touching /etc/ltsp_chroot
14:37
<dhana013>
Guys what mistake i have do please help root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
14:37
usage: tftp host-name [port]
14:37
tftp>
14:38
<wcchandler>
you try telling it the port?
14:39
<dhana013>
wcchandler, i will give port number for same error i give port number 69
14:39
<wcchandler>
can you connect from interactive mode?
14:40
<dhana013>
root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
14:40
usage: tftp host-name [port]
14:40
tftp>
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14:40
<dhana013>
wcchandler, How to connect with tftp , please very new to ltsp
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14:41
<wcchandler>
once you're in tftp> do 'connect 192.168.1.50' what's the response?
14:42
<dhana013>
root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50
14:42
tftp> ls
14:42
?Invalid command
14:42
tftp>
14:42
<wcchandler>
you can't ls
14:42
it's not a shell
14:42
run 'mode binary'
14:42
<dhana013>
wcchandler, ok How to download pxelinux.0
14:42
<wcchandler>
from tftp>
14:43
<dhana013>
ok i did next
14:43
the prompt show tftp>
14:43
<wcchandler>
get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
14:44
<dhana013>
tftp> get /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
14:44
Error code 1: File not found
14:44
tftp>
14:44
<wcchandler>
are you sure that's where the file is on the tftp server?
14:45
<dhana013>
wcchandler, please check it http://pastebin.com/NXjs9LAs
14:46
my files in correct location
14:46
<wcchandler>
you're in /opt/ltsp/i386
14:46
<dhana013>
I am using ubuntu 10.04
14:46
<wcchandler>
is your tftp server's root dir /opt ?
14:46
<dhana013>
no
14:47
<wcchandler>
if not try get /opt/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
14:47
<dhana013>
TFTP_DIRECTORY="/tftpboot/"
14:47
<wcchandler>
yeah, change that
14:48
you can use root for now, but you can also change it to "/opt/ltsp/"
14:48
<dhana013>
ok i change
14:48
<wcchandler>
change it to what?
14:50
<dhana013>
getting same error , i changed file and service restarted
14:51
i changed /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
14:51
<wcchandler>
what is TFTP_DIRECTORY=" " ?
14:53
<dhana013>
wcchandler, the path is problem i change please check it http://pastebin.com/yenrwfcp
14:54
<wcchandler>
yes, the path is the problem. but what did you set that variable to?
14:55
<dhana013>
what variable i can't understand
14:55
<wcchandler>
it's relative to that path, so if you set it to /opt/ltsp then the file would be /i386/pxelinux.0
14:55
this value --> TFTP_DIRECTORY="/tftpboot/" what did you change that to?
14:56
<dhana013>
TFTP_DIRECTORY="/opt/ltsp/"
14:56
\
14:56
<wcchandler>
then the file location is /i386/pxelinux.0
14:57
tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
14:57
OR tftp 192.168.1.50 69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
14:58
<dhana013>
wcchandler, not working two line
14:58
root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50:69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
14:58
usage: tftp host-name [port]
14:58
tftp> quit
14:58
root ~ # tftp 192.168.1.50 69 -v -m binary -c get /i386/pxelinux.0
14:58
usage: tftp host-name [port]
14:58
tftp>
14:58
<wcchandler>
from tftp>, run 'mode binary' then 'get /i386/pxelinux.0'
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<dhana013>
it's working
14:59
wcchandler, it's works
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<dhana013>
wcchandler, Hi
15:12
Hi guys, I get an error along the lines of "tftp download complete, but unable to load file.
15:13
wcchandler, I get an error along the lines of "tftp download complete, but unable to load file.
15:14
Guys this my dhcpd.conf http://pastebin.com/HPRTBR4w what mistake i had, please guide me .
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16:22
<talntid>
wow, 33 users: 09:22:05 up 2 days, 10:15, 33 users, load average: 1.39, 1.16, 1.17
16:23
<dead_inside>
i bet your end users are happier too
16:23
<talntid>
yeah, way happier
16:23
things now actually feel fast
16:29
and it's scaling well. :)
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<alkisg>
stgraber, mgariepy, highvoltage: any objections in me removing support for port-based nbd exports in ltsp-update-image?
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<highvoltage>
alkisg: can't think of a reason not to. out of interest, why would you remove it? is it not supported at all by nbd anymore?
17:06
<alkisg>
highvoltage: to have more maintainable code, ltsp-update-image is a big mess now
17:07
<highvoltage>
k
17:07
<alkisg>
And the whole kernels configuration is too messy if ports need to be propagated to chroots
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<alkisg>
The reason I'm asking is about nbd-proxy, I think mgariepy has previously said that it works fine with name based exports too though
17:15
<mgariepy>
it doesn't matter to me if the ltsp-update-image doesn't configure stuff automaticly all my configuration files are managed. so as long as i can still user port base export manually it doesn't matter ;)
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17:17
<alkisg>
Sure, i'm just removing the port autoconfiguration part, manual changes of course won't be affected
17:25
<mgariepy>
alkisg, perfect ;)
17:27
<alkisg>
My end goal is to add support for exporting the server root / (essentially ltsp-pnp) or in the future even .vdi or .qcow2 disks, so I'll probably make ltsp-update-image plugin based, and I wouldn't like carrying the obsolete port-based method, it currently takes 80% of the ltsp-update-image code with no good reason to maintain it.
17:32
<talntid>
alkisg, thanks for your help man.... 10:32:14 up 2 days, 11:25, 32 users, load average: 2.25, 1.97, 1.87
17:32
down from.. 60+ :P
17:34
<alkisg>
Cool :)
17:37
<talntid>
any advice for tuning NFS for best thin client performance?
17:37
thin clients are currently mounting their homedirs from ltsp1, which is nfsmounting homedirs from fs
17:37
<alkisg>
NFS for root? Are you using Debian?
17:37
<talntid>
I am using Ubuntu, so yeah, Debian
17:38
<alkisg>
Eh no it makes a difference at that point
17:38
<talntid>
ah, ok
17:38
<alkisg>
Ubuntu uses NBD by default, Debian uses NFS
17:38
<talntid>
glad I mentioned it
17:38
<alkisg>
So you're using NBD for the root image, and NFS for the home dirs?
17:38
<talntid>
yes
17:39
I believe so.
17:39
<alkisg>
And NFS, why? SAN server etc?
17:39
<talntid>
This was deployed first, about 5 years ago
17:39
4-5 years ago.
17:39
<alkisg>
So if you're looking to optimize it, maybe you can remove NFS completely?
17:39
<talntid>
I can - sure. What's the recommended setup?
17:39
<alkisg>
And have /home in the LTSP server?
17:39
<talntid>
well, the homedirs are on fs...
17:40
<alkisg>
What do you mean "fs"?
17:40
<talntid>
it's a samba server, fileserver
17:40
it holds all the important docs, homedirs, etc..
17:40
<alkisg>
...samba or nfs?
17:40
<talntid>
both.
17:40
<alkisg>
How fast is its connection with the ltsp server?
17:40
<talntid>
gigE
17:41
<alkisg>
And how many NICs on the ltsp server?
17:41
<talntid>
or faster, maybe. They are both on the same machine - they are both VM's
17:41
1 nic on ltsp
17:41
1 nic of fs
17:41
<alkisg>
Ah. Make sure the network traffic doesn't go through the real network device then.
17:42
I.e. that virtio or others are used instead of the physical nic
17:42
<talntid>
gotcha
17:42
<alkisg>
That would free up network bandwidth for thin clients, would lower cpu usage, and increase NFS bandwidth
17:43
<talntid>
indeed
17:43
I'll get that fixed up tonight when everyone goes home :)
17:43
right now, i'm pretty impressed: 10:43:28 up 2 days, 11:36, 32 users, load average: 1.30, 1.73, 1.82
17:43
<alkisg>
And the reason you're using a separate VM is for additional safety?
17:44
I.e. why not install a samba server in the ltsp server?
17:44
<talntid>
yes, and to streamline the backup processes
17:44
as well as to make it easy to rebuild any of the indivdual machines if they have trouble
17:44
I'm heavily segregated - database server, fileserver, replicated fileserver, ltsp, web server, etc
17:46
so that if one small part fails, it doesn't kill other parts
17:47
plus, all the non-ltsp people who get files from the fileserver, don't need to put addl load on ltsp
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<alkisg>
(08:47:08 μμ) talntid: plus, all the non-ltsp people who get files from the fileserver, don't need to put addl load on ltsp => not sure how that helps when both are VMs on the same physical server
17:54
I'd imagine that it would be more efficient of the resources were put in one VM instead of split into 2 or more
17:54
<talntid>
it would be an interesting test
17:54
and I have the hardware to test it
17:54
<alkisg>
vagrantc: hi there, any objection if I remove support for port-based exports from ltsp-update-image? (and make it plugin based, and well mostly rewrite it?)
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17:58
<vagrantc>
alkisg: my one concern is supporting older chroots on the same server...
17:59
<alkisg>
vagrantc: one could still put the options manually
17:59
I could create a new tool if it's more appropriate
17:59
<vagrantc>
that's true ... probably rare enough, too.
17:59
<alkisg>
ltsp-publish-image or something
17:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what all did it actually do with the nbd ports?
18:00
<alkisg>
And after some time, we could deprecate ltsp-update-image, if that's a better upgrade path
18:00
<vagrantc>
it set up an inetd entry, and configured the boot prompt options?
18:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: it searched the chroots, tried to see which ports they used, assigned new ones, updated the chroots, updated inetd...
18:00
The collect port + assign port + save ports was a bit overcomplicated
18:01
<vagrantc>
alkisg: given the improvements you've made to other things, i'd rather see ltsp-update-image get rewritten, so as not to have to rewrite all the documentation pointing to it on the internets. :)
18:02
<alkisg>
Nice, ok, I'll keep the same name then (even though many of its parameter will no longer be relevant) and we could put a how-to in the wiki for people that want old, port-based chroots in newer installations
18:03
vagrantc: btw I made ltsp-common-functions automatically source /etc/ltsp/common.conf if it exists (and ltsp-tool.conf too), is common.conf a good name?
18:03
...to put BASE= etc in
18:03
<vagrantc>
seems reasonable.
18:03
<alkisg>
Cool, thank you :)
18:04* vagrantc chuckles that vagrantc is the voice of legitimacy :)
18:04
<alkisg>
It's a hard job but someone has to do it.... and DDs do it better :D
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23:44
<wcchandler>
on the debian build of ltsp-client is there way to call the /etc/init.d/ltsp-client-* scripts with verbose output? when I call them nothing gets echo'd to the screen or in the logs
23:45
<vagrantc>
wcchandler: you can add "set -x" to the script ... but what is the problem that's causing you to want to run them manually?
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23:50
<wcchandler>
vagrantc: I don't want to say "it doesn't work" but that's pretty much it... I don't even have a grounds to start troubleshooting -- but I want to eliminate if it's my build or not or if it needs something special.
23:52
<vagrantc>
you're able to boot the thin client?
23:52
but then it crashes?
23:52
<wcchandler>
I'm used to just running ltsp-build-client and it builds my chroot as I need it and I'm good to go. But I'm messing around with an arm device which is using custom kernels
23:52
<vagrantc>
what's the last message on the screen?
23:52
etc.
23:52
aha!
23:53
wcchandler: which device?
23:53
<wcchandler>
raspberry pi
23:53
<vagrantc>
i should get one of those ... they seem like perfect thin clients
23:54
<wcchandler>
seem like it... preliminary tests show otherwise. Until you can fully use the gpu.
23:54
<talntid>
I want some of those too
23:54
<wcchandler>
I've gotten it to boot off NFS share. Then I can connect to a remote X server, but the lag on "drawing" the screen is quite bad.
23:55
but that was X with XDMCP to a GDM and LightDM.
23:55
<vagrantc>
i've done debian LTSP on the HP t5325, the efikamx smarttop and a sheevaplug... may as well try :)
23:55
<wcchandler>
!
23:56
vagrantc: you?!
23:56
<talntid>
he's a badass when it comes to LTSP
23:56
<wcchandler>
I have an email in my drafts signed to you
23:56* vagrantc is the Debian LTSP maintainer
23:56
<wcchandler>
just haven't gotten fed up enough to send it and write it coherently
23:57
<vagrantc>
wcchandler: try ltsp-developer, and i'll reply
23:57
<wcchandler>
yeah, so I've grown to learn after following the very few arm tuts online, you've always signed them ;)