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Channel log from 12 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ogra>
vagrantc, i'll arrive at 8:15pm on the 21st ...
03:14
<vporo>
Should the vlc mozilla plugin work in ltsp?
03:15
or better, what plugin should I use for streaming
03:16
<ogra>
which distro ?
03:16
<vporo>
ubuntu
03:16
feisty
03:16
<ogra>
and what do you want to stream ?
03:16
<vporo>
video
03:16
<ogra>
ubuntu should automatically use the totem plugin, its preinstalled
03:17
<vporo>
and that should work?
03:17
<ogra>
if you have the codec installed the video needs, it should, yes
03:17
<vporo>
by default I was not able to view the stream so I added the vlc plugin
03:17
<ogra>
totem has an automatic codec installer, but that doesnt work in mozilla afaik
03:18
so you would have to start the movie directly once to get that codec
03:18
(or just install all codecs)
03:19
<vporo>
ok, I check whether it was the codec I was missing
03:19
<ogra>
(gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse)
03:20
(these are the codec packages)
03:31
<vporo>
It seems like the stream requires vlc-plugins
03:34
<ogra>
unikely
03:39
<vporo>
you are right, but the gui on the web page does :|
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<hrishi>
hi, is there any good document that explains the cost for creating a ltsp based terminal server installation
04:49
i mean cost benefit analysis
05:00
<gvy>
hrishi, i have one similar in Russian at hand
05:01
if all else fails, at least you can google translate and use that
05:03
hrishi, http://syselegance.kiev.ua/products/advantages.php
05:04
it's linux clients with custom RDP server running on winxp pro
05:05
<hrishi>
ok, let me try with google
05:08
gvy: what is syselegance, is it a linux box with ltsp
05:18
<gvy>
hrishi, nope, a custom linux terminal implementation
05:18
but the numbers are largely the same or similar
05:54
<Q-FUNK>
hrishi: there is
05:55
hrishi: http://multik.blogspot.com/2007/07/thin-client-vs-thick-client.html
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<gvy>
Q-FUNK, tnx
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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08:44
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:45
<ogra>
!s
08:45
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:45
<sbalneav>
Hey ogra!
08:45
<ogra>
yo :)
08:45
<sbalneav>
How's the sprint going?
08:45
<ogra>
classmaty
08:45
<sbalneav>
Zoomy
08:46
Here's a question for you.
08:46
<ogra>
i finally got all people i need around
08:46
<sbalneav>
Lets say I went out, and bought a 4 gig memory stick for mine.
08:46
<ogra>
yup
08:46
<sbalneav>
hooked up a cdrom to it, and did an install
08:46
<ogra>
nah
08:46
wait until next week, i'll have an image for you
08:46
<sbalneav>
nah?
08:46
ah, ok
08:47
<ogra>
if you do a non squashfs solution on it it will get horribly slow
08:47
the image i have here is actually very good, only openoffice isnt usable
08:47
(takes 2min to start)
08:48
<sbalneav>
well, that's not the end of the world
08:48
<ogra>
but i'll switch to abiword/gnumeric
08:48
<sbalneav>
!
08:48
<ogra>
both is actually usable
08:48
<sbalneav>
For edubuntu in general, or for the classmate images?
08:48
<ogra>
prob with abiword is that its incompatible to LP wrt translations
08:48
only for the classmate
08:48
<sbalneav>
ah, ok
08:49
<ogra>
i dont want to be default edubuntu to different from standard ubuntu
08:49
<sbalneav>
right.
08:50
Well, I've got a couple of meetings this morning, but I'm clearing the decks for the rest of the day to hack on LDM.
08:50
I'll let you know my progress
08:51
I've been getting crash reports on startup from nbd-server
08:51
Is the nbd guy digging into it, or should I spend some time tonight to sort it out?
08:53
<ogra>
i'll fix that soon
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<gvy>
!o :-)
08:54
<ltspbot`>
gvy: Error: "o" is not a valid command.
08:54
<ogra>
its nbd-server trying to start via the initscript
08:54
which we want to avoid if in inetd mode
08:54
trivial patch to the initscript
08:54
<gvy>
ogra, btw... does ldm require python 2.5?
08:54
<ogra>
2.4 at least iirc
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08:55
<ogra>
but from gutsy on we wont have any python code in it anymore :)
08:55
<sbalneav>
gvy: Commented on your bug. I don't have time to look into a user list for this time, we'll examine it for next go-around.
08:55
<gvy>
sbalneav, thx & np :)
08:55
ogra, tnx
08:56
<ogra>
sbalneav, btw i just talked withour new server team member ;) he's hired for ldap and ldap only
08:56
<sbalneav>
By default, you'd want it turned off, because it's a huge information leak, IMHO. Now, an attacker, by simply looking at the login screen, can find out all your userids.
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<sbalneav>
ogra: Oh, cool! Who is he?
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08:57
<ogra>
he's american
08:58
in any case we'll have full client support in gutsy and he's planning a server setup by gutsy+1
08:58
so finally gutsy+1 will be the fat client release :)
08:59
and it looks like we'll get ebox to main
08:59
<sbalneav>
burgundavia was mentioning ebox last night.
09:00
<ogra>
http://ebox-platform.com/
09:00
yeah
09:00
its around since quite some time
09:00
now it finally gets integrated properly
09:00
<sbalneav>
cool.
09:00
good news for us.
09:01
<ogra>
i also fought for getting sis7019 into our default kernel ...
09:01
and oss modules will be back soon :)
09:01
(was quite fruitful this sprint)
09:03
<sbalneav>
Do we need oss?
09:04
I thought alsa was better? Or is there some old oss-only cruft out there?
09:09
<vporo>
what are you using instead?
09:09
ry
09:11
<Lumiere>
there is plenty of old oss-only cruft left
09:11
which sucks
09:11
one of the big ones for me is Wine
09:11
their alsa audio layer is very broken
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<sbalneav>
brb, meeting
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<rjune>
ogra: you around?
10:24
sbalneav: ping?
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10:37
<joebaker>
Lumiere: I've been watching the Wine releases, and in the last two months there has been much work to address sound problems.
10:44
<Lumiere>
joebaker: yes
10:44
but they had a regression just before .9.40
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10:52
<gvy>
Lumiere, well some can already, either with dmix or with hw mixing
10:52
didn't look at pulse that way yet
10:54
<ogra>
sbalneav, yes, there are some devices loke geode which needs the kaluha driver and the e2300 which needs the sis7019
10:54
s/loke/like/
10:54
with the alsa plugin for oss and pulse on top it doest behave much differently to our default setup
10:55
(i.e. full alsa support fro everything on the desktop)
10:55
*for
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<TTT_Travis>
Hi I am trying to run LTSP on an ubuntu server it gets to the Ubuntu bootsplash with the load bar but then the screen just goes black a about 10 seconds later and nothing happens
11:10
what is the problem?
11:13
<gvy>
press esc?
11:13
for details
11:14
<TTT_Travis>
esc doesn't do anything
11:14
its still showing a black screen with the blinking cursor line thing
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11:15
<ogra>
TTT_Travis, make sure a desktop is installed
11:15
<TTT_Travis>
I built a client image if thats what you mean
11:16
<ogra>
no
11:16
you need a desktop on the server to log in to, else ltsp is pontless :)
11:16
*point
11:16
<TTT_Travis>
yeah there is a desktop on the server
11:16
<ogra>
oh, wait, your boot doesnt even finish it seems
11:17
<TTT_Travis>
it works fine on the server -- but when I boot I just get the bootsplash and the beginning of the load bar
11:17
but it doesn't make progress
11:17
<ogra>
do your clients fulfill the minimal reqs ? (48M at least)
11:17
<TTT_Travis>
yeah
11:17
<ogra>
which release is that ?
11:18
edgy, feisty, gutsy ?
11:18
<TTT_Travis>
5.0.7
11:18
oh
11:18
Fesity
11:18
<ogra>
hmm, weird
11:19
did you follow this guide ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
11:19
<TTT_Travis>
oh wait this might have something to do with it I installed ltsp generated an os image etc. then installed it because I wanted to use my own dhcp server
11:19
the ltsp installer wanted to remove mine
11:20
I am using just dhcp (not dhcp3) and atfpd (not tfpd-aba)
11:20
but ltsp isn't actually installed
11:20
<ogra>
drop splash and quiet from the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default file to see more details
11:20
<TTT_Travis>
k
11:20
<ogra>
no idea if atftpd works at all
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11:21
<ogra>
(its in universe, i dont even think anyone cares for the package)
11:21
<TTT_Travis>
if it gets this far it should work though right?
11:21
<ogra>
no
11:22
i dont know how the old dhcp handles netbooting
11:22
<TTT_Travis>
ok
11:22
I am getting an nfs mount error
11:22
so that much be my problem
11:22
nfsmount: need a path
11:22
and then it just keeps trying over and over to mount the that
11:23
<ogra>
oh, thats the old "dont put the ip in root-path" bug i guess
11:24
<TTT_Travis>
lol ok what does that mean
11:24
so thats a dhcp misconfiguration?
11:25
<ogra>
no, thats a bug in debians and ubuntus initramfs
11:25
fixed in sid and recently in gutsy
11:25
<TTT_Travis>
so it's not option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
11:25
related to that?
11:25
<ogra>
yeah
11:26
<TTT_Travis>
how do I fix it?
11:26
<ogra>
it *is* option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
11:26
the setup that breaks would be option root-path "123.45.67.89:/opt/ltsp/i386";
11:26
so if you have option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; thats fine
11:27
i assume your dhcp server doesnt hand out the root-path properly
11:27
<TTT_Travis>
oh wait my dhcp doesn't have the root path that was in the dhcp3 config
11:27
duh
11:27
<ogra>
ah
11:27
well, at least we'll know then if it works with the old cruft :)
11:27
why do you use such obsolete versions ?
11:28
i mean, are you forced to ?
11:28
<TTT_Travis>
I couldn't get dhcp3 to netboot
11:28
it might have been related to the tftpd server actually
11:28
<ogra>
err
11:28
<TTT_Travis>
I am just trying this out
11:28
if this works the way I want I will properly configure a server
11:28
<ogra>
well, ltsp-build-client and the ltsp-server-standaloe package do configure everything for you to run out of the box
11:29
theser is noting else needed than the stuff in the quick install howto
11:29
<TTT_Travis>
yeah this is a dev server I run with a lot of crap so somethings don't work as expected because there are old configs etc.
11:29
<ogra>
indeed if you are forced to use stuff like atftpd by your job or something its good t know i works ;)
11:29
<TTT_Travis>
ok it's booting now~
11:29
<ogra>
*it
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11:31
<TTT_Travis>
hmm it go to the text login thing that asks for a username but now it looks like it was trying to load X or something and I just have a black screen
11:31
how can I get out of X? isn't there like a keyboard command?
11:31
<ogra>
ctrl-alt-f1 ?
11:32
<TTT_Travis>
hmm nothing
11:32
but I don't know if keyboard input is working yet
11:32
<ogra>
it should
11:33
what kind of videocards are in there ?
11:33
<TTT_Travis>
it's a nvidea
11:33
oh
11:33
<ogra>
ah, well
11:33
<TTT_Travis>
I will switch my monitor to the onboard
11:33
maybe that is why
11:33
outputting to the wrong video maybe
11:34
<ogra>
or disable the onboard card in the bios
11:35
<TTT_Travis>
I think it is but seems like it never actually gets disabled
11:35
<ogra>
X wont work if no monitor is attached during boot ... since it cant probe for resolution etc
11:35
<TTT_Travis>
ok
11:36
maybe I was wrong
11:36
I still don't get anything
11:37
if I change the Xorg in /opt/ltsp/i386
11:37
is that what it uses?
11:42
<ogra>
no, it generates it on boot
11:42
you can force a static file though
11:43
copy it to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-xorg.conf or so and set XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/my-xorg.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
11:44
but that wont circumvent the fact that the wrong card is used as default i assume
11:44
<TTT_Travis>
ok I am just wondering how it is configuring X, if it were using my Xorg file it is configured for the server video, which wouldn't work
11:45
<Gadi>
TTT_Travis: try setting XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf
11:45
<TTT_Travis>
but if I made my own xorg.conf that was proper for the client and set it static like you mentioned it would work
11:45
ok
11:45
I'll give that a shot
11:45
<Gadi>
that will rbing up the generic driver
11:45
*bring
11:46
<ogra>
Gadi, that will still use vesa on the internal card
11:46
<Gadi>
if X is probing the internal card
11:46
<TTT_Travis>
I am not sure if the onboard video is the problem
11:47
<Gadi>
remember, he sees it boot on the adin card
11:47
*add-in
11:47
<TTT_Travis>
yeah
11:47
<Gadi>
so, its just a question of whether X is configuing based on the onboard card
11:47
in which case, forcing the driver (and maybe the frequencies too) should work
11:48
<ogra>
X and usplash are unrelated
11:48
<Gadi>
exactly
11:48
<TTT_Travis>
ok now instead of bringing up a plain black screen it is blinking between the black screen and text shell
11:50
I do get text login though
11:50
what do I use for my username and password? the ones on the host system don't work
11:50
<Gadi>
try adding to lts.conf:
11:51
X_HORZSYNC=31-59
11:51
X_VERTREFRESH=60-60
11:51
<TTT_Travis>
ok
11:51
<Gadi>
those should force some safe (albeit low) resolution
11:53
<TTT_Travis>
still just doing the blink thing
11:56
anyway forget about x for now
11:57
how do I login like how do I make the users and everything?
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<TTT_Travis>
nevermind figured it out
12:05
<whiprush>
moquist: plane broke, I'm still stuck in your state. :)
12:07
<jammcq>
whiprush: didn't you have trouble on the outbound flight too ?
12:07
<whiprush>
yeah
12:07
I am hoping that this takes care of my bad mojo for the year.
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<TTT_Travis>
how much network resources will ltsp eat up?
12:17
I am only running two clients but still
12:19
<whiprush>
TTT_Travis: I run like 50 some clients on my network and have no problems (100mbit)
12:20
<TTT_Travis>
my clients are media centers
12:20
so all of the sound and stuff is local so it shouldn't use very many resources at all right?
12:20
since everything is loaded into ram
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<whiprush>
I've never had a problem on anything except like, old hubs and whatnot
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<akSeya>
hi there...
12:40
wich is the best way to mount a nfs into all clients?!
12:40
<TTT_Travis>
wow Xorg is really a pain
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<TTT_Travis>
lol how do I mount a floppy on my client?
12:43
/dev/floppy doesn't exist
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<TTT_Travis>
ok I finally got X to come up
12:51
logged in my it's like I am using my Host
12:52
like my home dir has all of my files
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<TTT_Travis>
shouldn't LTSP be different
12:52
<akSeya>
TTT_Travis, nope
12:52
TTT_Travis, when you log in, is like you were on the server
12:52
<TTT_Travis>
ok
12:52
I see
12:52
<akSeya>
all users that have account there are able to log in in any client
12:52
and all files and folders will be avaible to them
12:53
<TTT_Travis>
how come when I was in text mode my root user was different?
12:53
<akSeya>
:)
12:53
root on the client?
12:53
<TTT_Travis>
yeah
12:53
in text mode
12:53
<akSeya>
in another vterminal or with a console?
12:54
<TTT_Travis>
vterm
12:54
<akSeya>
hum.. so, in a vterm there is only the root user for local machine
12:54
to solve any problem...
12:54
but if you open a console with your client logged in you will be in server..
12:54
<TTT_Travis>
ok now I'm super confused
12:55
<akSeya>
lol..
12:55
ok.. leme try again
12:55
you are in your client, there with your client logged in X you open a konsole... every command you type will be executed on server
12:56
for example, if you type ifconfig on konsole you will see the server IP, not the client
12:56
<TTT_Travis>
ok I see
12:56
ok so I just need to run as a local user on the client
12:56
<akSeya>
if you want to know your client IP you will have to open the vterm (CTRL+ALT+F1) then every command will be executed on client
12:56
<TTT_Travis>
atleast for this purpose (media center)
12:57
I see
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<TTT_Travis>
this is what I am trying to accomplish
13:00
http://www.pachikov.com/ablog/posts/2006/03/07/terminal-server-for-home-media-pcs/
13:00
and I think I see how it works now
13:01
<akSeya>
TTT_Travis, what LTSP version are you usingG?
13:02
<TTT_Travis>
5.0.7
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<akSeya>
nice :p
13:03
i don't know much about ltsp5
13:03
in 4 we surely had problems with remote media devices
13:04
but since I use slackware, i still did't had time to compile ltsp5 for it...
13:04
i may be able to help you with the bases (as that question you asked before)..
13:04
<TTT_Travis>
I just started using LTSP last night so I am figuring this out as I go
13:04
<akSeya>
:)
13:05
<TTT_Travis>
before that I had never netbooted anything or used PXE
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<akSeya>
wich is the best way to mount a nfs into all clients?!
13:08
<TTT_Travis>
does compiling kernel modules I need for my clients work the same through chroot as a normal install?
13:09
<akSeya>
ouch.. sorry.. i'm thinking now.. i don't have to mount it.. just create a symlink on everyones desktop...
13:15
<moquist>
whiprush: heh; sorry, dude
13:15
whiprush: in the airport?
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<TTT_Travis>
when you guys run terminal servers do you usually run apps like firefox and stuff local?
13:23
<sbalneav>
I run everything remotely
13:24
<TTT_Travis>
what happens when someone tries to play like a youtube video?
13:24
or use a media app?
13:24
isn't it super-choppy etc.
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<sbalneav>
I don't allow flash on my network, so it isn't a problem for me :)
13:25
It depends on network speed, client speed and server speed.
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<sbalneav>
If you want 40 people watching youtube, you're going to need a fairly beefy server.
13:26
<vagrantc>
ogra: ah, bummer. you'll miss freegeek's geek fair
13:26
<nsweet>
howdy
13:26
<sbalneav>
Hello nsweet
13:27
<nsweet>
I have a question about the latest LDM that's supposed to bypass encryption of X traffic
13:27
I just installed it, but when the terminal boots, it never gets to the login screen.. it almost looks as if LDM is crashing and keeps trying to restart
13:28
<TTT_Travis>
yeah I was just wondering for something like a school how they would do that with flash/video/audio
13:29
<vagrantc>
nsweet: debian or ubuntu ? which version of LDM: dpkg --root /opt/ltsp/i386 -l ldm
13:29
<nsweet>
edubuntu and i just downloaded the LDM from the link in the post on the mailing list
13:30
it's just the LDM binary
13:30
<sbalneav>
What's the permissions on the file?
13:30
<vagrantc>
just the binary? eeyk.
13:31
<nsweet>
permissions are 755
13:31
yeah, i just followed the instructions.. :)
13:31
is there a package available?
13:33
<sbalneav>
I'd put the old one back, and try that first.
13:33
<nsweet>
Yeah, but I really need autologin capabilities
13:34
<TTT_Travis>
when my clients boot X doesn't start, it just gives me a text mode login prompt, how do I startx manual, but not in vterm
13:35
<sbalneav>
Sure, but put the old one back, and reboot, see if the problem goes away. Then we can debug that problem knowing the ldm's the only thing that's changes.
13:35
<moquist>
sbalneav: hey there
13:35
<nsweet>
well, it was working before i changed out the ldm, but i'll doublecheck
13:36
<Gadi>
nsweet: did you already put the autologin info in lts.conf?
13:36
you can try commenting it out and see if that restores it to normal
13:37
<nsweet>
ok, i'll give that a go
13:37
<sbalneav>
hey moquist
13:37
<Gadi>
autologin is going to bypass the login screen and just keep attempting to login with the creds in lts.conf
13:37
<nsweet>
i see
13:37
<Gadi>
so, if there's a problem, it will just keep trying and failing and reloading
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<Gadi>
(its not that smart atm) ;)
13:38
<nsweet>
are the correct parameters LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD?
13:39
gadi: your solution appears to work -- commenting out the creds allows it to boot
13:40
yep, that nails the problem.. for some reason the creds are incorrect.. thank you!
13:40
<Gadi>
np
13:41
good luck
13:41
moquist: btw, thx again for the WINS tip - it was right on the money
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<nsweet>
Gadi: it does work -- we had a minor problem when we were creating users and that particular didn't actually get created for whatever reason... thanks everyone for the help.
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<K_O-Gnom>
hmm damn ... in my howto is writen first you should copy the /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp.conf.example to /opt/ltsp/i386/ltsp.conf but there issnt any .example file only a .readme :-(
14:07
have anybody here a sample ltsp.conf for me?
14:09
<vagrantc>
K_O-Gnom: what linux distro ?
14:09
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: gentoo
14:09
<vagrantc>
ltsp 4.x ?
14:09
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: yes
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<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: 4.2
14:10* vagrantc can't wit to see gentoo's LTSP5 implementation
14:10
<vagrantc>
s,wit,wait,
14:10
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: :-) me too
14:10
<vagrantc>
!lts.conf
14:10
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "lts.conf" is http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtsConf
14:10
<vagrantc>
try that
14:11
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: thx .. in my howto was a link but i dont see it is that a good basic ltsp.conf? http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-de.html#AEN1211
14:11
vagrantc: sorry its german :-/
14:12
<vagrantc>
i don't know ltsp 4.x ... in LTSP5 it only requires an lts.conf to change the defaults
14:12
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: thats a nice setting :-)
14:12
vagrantc: ill try it :-) (maybe i fail then)
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<moquist>
Gadi: np
14:36
<K_O-Gnom>
crap ... my system wont boot with pxe .. (it cant find the kernel image ..
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<K_O-Gnom>
hmmm i think i missconfigured my system ... did somebody know why my system looks vor the kernel image called "linux"?
14:50
mean where i have to change the default setting?
14:52
<vagrantc>
for network booting ?
14:52
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: yes
14:53
vagrantc: i create a file /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/my-pc-ma-ca-dr-es but it dont load it ..
14:53
<Gadi>
you need a 01-
14:53
01-my-pc-ma-ca-dr-es
14:54
(01 tells it that it is an ethernet mac address)
14:54
<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: yes i create that (forget the 01- to type here
14:54
<Gadi>
are all the letters lowercase?
14:54
<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: i looked what my system trying to load and typed the name ..
14:54
Gadi: yes
14:55
<Gadi>
and whats inside the file?
14:55
<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: same as in /tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default (i just copied it)
14:55
<Gadi>
and whats inside that one?
14:55
<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: the std little mom i will nopaste it
14:56
Gadi: http://rafb.net/p/swrg7R67.html
14:57
<Gadi>
that doesnt look like an ltsp kernel it's calling
14:58
<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: its the standard text in the file i dont change it
14:58
<Gadi>
right, but you are on gentoo, no?
14:58
gentoo doesnt magically set things up for ltsp
14:59
<K_O-Gnom>
oh i forget i change the label thing first there was written label linux no its label bzIma...
14:59
Gadi: yes im on gentoo ..
14:59
<Gadi>
try this: cp -a /opt/ltsp/i386/boot /tftpboot/ltsp
14:59
<K_O-Gnom>
s/now/no
14:59
<Gadi>
actually, scratch that
14:59
forget that
15:00
try: cp -a /opt/ltsp/i386/boot/* /tftpboot/.
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<K_O-Gnom>
Gadi: dont have /boot in the ltsp root dir
15:00
<Gadi>
?
15:00
<vagrantc>
ltsp 4.x ...
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<Gadi>
oh....
15:01
nevermind
15:02
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm yesterday i test that on a other machine there it works without problems on first boot ..
15:02
but i dont have the machine here so i cant look for the settings
15:10
hmm ok now it seems to be workin (the pxelinux.cfg dir wasnt in /tftpboot/pxe/ it was in /tftpboot/ ...
15:14
hmm ok now im as far as yesterday ... the X loads but i dont get a login window did somebody know where my mistake iss?
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<john_s>
hi all, is there a vm image of gutsy available yet? pref xubuntu
15:26
ok how about this question, when is the expiry of the 6.06 lts server support?
15:27
<K_O-Gnom>
did somebody know why i dont get a login window? only my Xserver starts but no login like gdm or xdm comes up... (only the rastered X screen
15:28
<vagrantc>
!greyscreen
15:28
<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: "greyscreen" is No login, and only a grey screen? See http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen
15:30
<john_s>
ok, answered question number 2 myself. dunno why i didn't find it before, but 1 still obtains if anyones done a vm image of gutsy
15:30
<vagrantc>
john_s: why not download a CD image and build one yourself ?
15:31
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: hmm ok my display manager isnt listening
15:34
<john_s>
vagrantc: I am interested, tell me more!
15:34
<vagrantc>
john_s: well, configure your vm to boot from CD and install a disk image ...
15:35
<john_s>
hm i only have vmplayer
15:35
so I don't think I can do that
15:35
<vagrantc>
there's qemu or virtualbox
15:35
<john_s>
which would you recommend
15:35
?
15:36
<vagrantc>
haven't used virtualbox, but some swear by it. qemu works for me, but is a little slow.
15:36
<john_s>
ok
15:36
I'll look into it. Thanks for the advice.
15:37
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: did you know how i can get my xdm listening?
15:37
<vagrantc>
K_O-Gnom: should be instructions in the troubleshooting URL above
15:37
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: yes i tried ... but failed ..
15:38* vagrantc is hoping to see XDMCP obsoleted
15:38
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: i have set the DisplayManager.requestPort: 0 and the * # any host can get a login window settings and restart my xdm but nothing works
15:39
whoop ... now i changed back to gdm and restart my xdm and woop i have a login window
15:41
ok thats lol ... i logged in and got a black screen and then i got the login window pack
15:41
s/back/pack
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<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: is there another troubleshooting page for login problems?
15:42
<vagrantc>
K_O-Gnom: what's wrong ?
15:43
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: i type my username and type my password and it says i ignore $HOME/somefile that prevents the languages settings to beeing saved ... and i click ok ... then i got ablack screen and it came back with the login window ..
15:44
<vagrantc>
K_O-Gnom: look in $HOME/.xsession-errors
15:45
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: ther isnt any file called .xession-errors
15:45
<vagrantc>
how about .xsession-errors ?
15:46
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: no file called xsession-errors only some .bash* files
15:46
(on the server
15:46
<vagrantc>
K_O-Gnom: ls -l /etc/X11/Xsession
15:47
<K_O-Gnom>
no directory called Xsession in X11...
15:47
<vagrantc>
could you paste the output of that command ?
15:48
oh, wait ... this is LTSP 4.x ...
15:48
<K_O-Gnom>
http://rafb.net/p/7p6ldT47.html
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<vagrantc>
on gentoo ?
15:49
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: yes 4.2 on gentoo
15:49* vagrantc is clueless
15:51
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm me not ..
16:00
vagrantc: now i know the problem ... im not able to write in my own homedir ..
16:00
<vagrantc>
that'll do it
16:00
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: did you know the standard chmod of /home ? i thought it belongs to root:root but i dont know the chmod
16:03
<vagrantc>
nope.
16:04
<K_O-Gnom>
hmm ok vagrantc now i get it to work :-)
16:04
<vagrantc>
on debian, it's owned by root, and group root, with og+rx
16:04
and u+rwx
16:05
<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: hmm ok thx .. i dont know how but now it works ..
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<K_O-Gnom>
(witout mouse ..
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<K_O-Gnom>
vagrantc: how can i figure out where my mouse device is on the Xtermina?
16:08
+l
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<K_O-Gnom>
good n8 and thanks for all the help
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<Q-FUNK>
am I the only one for whom ltsp-build-client fails on Debian since a few days?
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<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: which version of debian ? which ltsp packages ?
19:12
<Q-FUNK>
etch.
19:13
default packages.
19:13
NOTE: adding default dist and components to security mirror:
19:13
http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main
19:13
I: Retrieving Release
19:13
E: Invalid Release file, no entry for main/binary-i386/Packages
19:13
error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
19:13
<vagrantc>
hmm..
19:13
rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386
19:13
try again
19:13
<Q-FUNK>
I tried with the default and with various mirrors. same thing.
19:13
alrwady tried that.
19:13
<vagrantc>
ok
19:15
<Q-FUNK>
it's about the Release file for etch, as you might have noticed.
19:15
maybe adebootstrap issue.
19:16
<vagrantc>
it would be unusual that it would break, seeing as there's been no real changes to etch.
19:16
i'll give it a whirl here
19:17
<Q-FUNK>
I can imagine an archive update lacking the GPG signature or something happening.
19:17
<vagrantc>
right
19:17
<Q-FUNK>
that could confuse debootstrap
19:21
vagrantc: does it also fail for you?
19:25
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: works for me.
19:26
<Q-FUNK>
hm.
19:26
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: are you running through an http proxy or something ?
19:26
<Q-FUNK>
etch host installing an etch chroot?
19:26
nop.e
19:26
<vagrantc>
yes, etch on etch
19:27
Q-FUNK: try running debootstrap manually
19:27
debootstrap etch /tmp/foo
19:28
Q-FUNK: i mean, it gets past where you were ... haven't figured out if it actually completes an install yet.
19:28
<Q-FUNK>
yup
19:28
same message about having received an invalid Release file
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<vagrantc>
what version of debootstrap ?
19:29
dpkg -l debootstrap
19:29
<Q-FUNK>
0.3.3.2
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<vagrantc>
that's what i'm using
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<Q-FUNK>
hm. might have been a corrupt debootstrap. I just purged --force-dpeends and reinstalled it and it works now.
19:32
really odd.
19:35
oh well.
19:35
it was debootstrap, it seems.
19:35
<vagrantc>
cal
19:35
<Q-FUNK>
either that or this hdd is accumulating bad sectors
19:36
vagrantc: thanks for the help anyhow :)
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<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: of course :)
19:38
<Q-FUNK>
I'm re-installing all packages, just to be safe
19:38
<vagrantc>
oh, fun.
19:38
<Shane-S>
hi all, I am subscribed to the K12OS mailing list, which has the K12LTSP project in it. I was wondering has anyone gotten an all-in-one PowerMac G3 to work as a think client without needing a hard drive and some linux variant?
19:39
I asked on the mailing list and got a "search the archives" and everything I find mentioned Yellow Dog Linux
19:39
<Q-FUNK>
vagrantc: not so, but easy at least, thanks to aptitude's L command.
19:39
<Shane-S>
I am trying to see if I can salvage those old systems as thin clients
19:40
<jammcq>
Shane-S: the guy who knows most about those is cliebow. I'm not sure if he's around right now
19:40
<Q-FUNK>
Shane-S: they support netboot so yes, this should work, in theory.
19:41
you'd need to configure them for netboot and then save that as the default option in open firmware.
19:41
<Shane-S>
yeah I plugged it in and yanked the hard drive to force it to HUNT,and the firmware keeps being mentioned, perhaps that is what Yellow Dog messes with
19:41
well I will hang around while I seach and check into it more
19:42
<Q-FUNK>
Shane-S: the main thing to look for is not "ltsp imac g3" but rather "imac g3 network boot"
19:42
mac sites should have the info on how to configure them for that
19:43
<Shane-S>
its not an iMac, its a PowerMac, the ones with the IBM based CD-Rom's and Floppies
19:43
still uses a G3, they were sold to education only
19:43
otherwise they were "IBM clone" look-a-likes
19:44
all boxy and seperate...let em find photos :P
19:44
<Q-FUNK>
http://ask.metafilter.com/21425/Is-is-possible-to-NetBoot-a-G3-iMac
19:44
ah
19:44
but this is still OF. this should work.
19:44
<Shane-S>
http://user-agent.org/stuff/images/power_mac_g3.jpg
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<Q-FUNK>
http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/network/netboot/intro.macppc.html
19:45
try booting while holding the N key
19:46
<Shane-S>
pretty sure I did that too
19:46
I guess I have to tail some log file to see if a connection is even attempted
19:46
wish I has one here
19:47
<Q-FUNK>
which OF version does it have?
19:49
that netbsd page pretty has the info
19:50
<Shane-S>
I think that is it, I think the A-I-O's had a closed firmware
19:51
<vagrantc>
ah, there's a few other firewares for some of those oddball macs
19:52
<Shane-S>
that might be why everyone kept mentioning Yellow Dog, perhaps that offer one
19:53
thanks for that link, that spells out more details then I have though
19:58
<Q-FUNK>
welcome
20:06
<Shane-S>
BSD is a Unix port isnt it?
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<antiyanki>
Hola gente....
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<Shane-S>
anyone running LTSP on a virtualized server?
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<Shane-S>
anyone know if you can get a PowerPC 5260 working as a thin client, the NetBSD pages have a solid NOT SUPPORTED icon, as the firmware is not open
21:28
anyone know if http://www.2x.com/pxes/ allow you to connected to an LTSP server?
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<MrMoo>
is .bashrc / .bash_profile run before the desktop on LDM login?
23:38
<sbalneav>
No
23:38
<MrMoo>
does that mean its impossible to clean up old processes on login?
23:38
<sbalneav>
No, but you'll need to create the cleanup script as part of the X session.
23:39
Put a file that can be . included in a shell script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
23:39
Make sure it doesn't do an "exit" call in it, and call /bin/true as the last thing you do.
23:40
So you could create /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40-Clean-up-some-stuff
23:40
and put in things like
23:40
pkill -u $USER OpenOffice
23:40
<MrMoo>
yup
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<sbalneav>
pkill -u $USER mozilla, etc
23:41
<MrMoo>
gnome is very messy on terminal crash
23:41
<sbalneav>
end off with /bin/true
23:47
<MrMoo>
thanks
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