IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 26 February 2011 (all times are UTC)
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| 04:01 | <bieb> anyone awake?
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| 05:26 | <bieb> anyone awake yet?
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| 05:31 | <muppis> Maybe. Just ask, then you get more chance to got answered..
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| 05:32 | <bieb> I have to do an image rebuild.. was working with Gadi and Vagrantc yesterday. once I do ltsp-build-client.. I should be able to test if the clients can connect right?
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| 05:33 | then I can go back and tweak the image the way our old one was?
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| 05:34 | <muppis> You can't tweak actual image, but you can tweak the chroot were it build. After tweaking use ltsp-update-image
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| 05:35 | <bieb> gotcha
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| 05:36 | I moved the "bad" image to a temp directory.. is there a way for me to go into that image (i386.img.bad) and grab some files? we changed the background of the login screen and misc things like that?
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| 05:44 | <muppis> I'm not sure, but can try mount it with -o loop -option to access it.
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| 05:45 | <bieb> cool.. I will try that once I get done with the initial testing
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| 08:19 | <bieb> ok.. completed the build of my new image.. boot a client and it fails... PXE-T02: Forbidden Directory
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| 08:29 | <bieb> ok.. completed the build of my new image.. boot a client and it fails... PXE-T02: Forbidden Directory
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| 08:31 | <muppis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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| 09:52 | <tyrion-mx> Hello
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| 09:54 | I just read the manual, and it seems that all the applications are run on the server
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| 09:54 | is it possible to use the client resources (ram/cpu)?
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| 09:55 | leaving the storage on the server
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| 09:57 | <NeonLicht> Yes, tyrion-mx: local applications, or even fat-clients instead of thin-clients.
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| 09:58 | <tyrion-mx> is this documented somewhere?
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| 09:58 | <NeonLicht> In the documentation?
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| 09:59 | <tyrion-mx> :D
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| 10:00 | I asked, because I couldn't find exhaustive informations about that on the manual
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| 10:06 | <Hyperbyte> !localapps
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| 10:06 | <ltspbot> Hyperbyte: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
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| 10:06 | <Hyperbyte> See there, tyrion-mx. :)
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| 10:07 | <tyrion-mx> thank you Hyperbyte, I just found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
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| 10:07 | there is also a page for firefox
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| 10:07 | <jtwood> Is setting up home directories on a file server for the LTSP Clients as simple as setting up the LTSP server to use the home directories on a file server?
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| 10:08 | <Hyperbyte> jtwood: yes
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| 10:08 | <Hyperbyte> LTSP clients use the /home/ on the server, regardless of where it's mounted
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| 10:09 | <jtwood> Excellent. I figured it would be, but I ran into some information that definitely led me to believe otherwise
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| 10:09 | <Hyperbyte> If you're setting up NFS, it might be worthwhile to look into the possibility of getting the clients to mount NFS directly, rather than via the LTSP server
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| 10:10 | <Hyperbyte> Else you get fileserver <- mount -> terminal server <- mount -> terminal client
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| 10:10 | Lots of overhead.
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| 10:10 | <jtwood> I am using samba...mixed windows/linux - user of acls, etc...
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| 10:10 | <NeonLicht> Maybe that an NFS mounted resource cannot be NFS exported, jtwood? Make the clients mount the home dirs on the file server directly.
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| 10:14 | <jtwood> NeonLicht: I have read what you wrote and I am a bit confused. Are you saying NFS mounted on the LTSP Server than shared (Exported) to the Client?
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| 10:14 | Nevermind
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| 10:14 | I understand...I guess I was confused because it shouldn't work...and I see what you are saying...that it won't work
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| 10:15 | Haven't had enough caffeine yet... :)
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| 10:16 | <NeonLicht> Have a couple of decaffs and you'll feel better. :D
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| 10:16 | <jtwood> Yeah...need something...
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| 10:16 | I think my return tour to linux should have been a little less involved project... :D
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| 10:24 | <Hyperbyte> Hehe. :)
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| 10:25 | LTSP rocks. You just have to read up on it a bit and learn about it. :)
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| 10:25 | <jtwood> There is one question regarding the LTSP project, of course...its been an ongoign project for some time. We haven't chosen to move away from Windows purely because of the Cost/Licensing nightmare, but also because of the frequent problems we have in Windows that we don't in Linux. I know that some of the software I am using has support agreements which provides not only tech support to the end user (me) but monetary support to the developers. Does LTSP have an
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| 10:25 | <Hyperbyte> Wow. That's a long line. Too long for IRC actually. It was cut off at 'Does LTSP have an....'
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| 10:26 | <jtwood> Sorry...I am verbose...
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| 10:26 | Does LTSP have anything set up like this?
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> That's ok. :) Just press enter every now and then. :)
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| 10:26 | <NeonLicht> It was cut at the begining of the actual question! :D
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| 10:26 | <Hyperbyte> Have to say I don't know the answer to that.
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| 10:26 | <jtwood> And believe it or not...new user of IRC - been on the global network for many years...remember gopher, archie, jughead...etc...
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| 10:27 | <Hyperbyte> Well, I don't IRC that much myself actually. But I started idling here because I can get really good information on LTSP.
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| 10:27 | I'm in the same situation as you actually. Only I'm a bit further down the line.
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| 10:27 | I'm migrating from Windows to Linux (LTSP).
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| 10:27 | <jtwood> Aha...usually there are a few of the devs hanging in here...
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| 10:28 | We are just testing a migration from M$ to Linux
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| 10:28 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg is here a lot. He knows lots and lots about LTSP. :)
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| 10:28 | <jtwood> I find it 98% feasible...
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| 10:28 | <Hyperbyte> European weekdays is your best bet to catch him. Other than that, just hang around. :)
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| 10:28 | <jtwood> Yeah, alkisg and gadi have been two of the devs I'
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| 10:28 | v talked to
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> I've managed to overcome most of my problems with the LTSP implementation...
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| 10:29 | <jtwood> My only exceptions to LTSP are going to be my damn engineers...
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| 10:29 | <Hyperbyte> Although I think it's a more a combination of Fedora, the software we're using, and the LTSP implementation, to be fair.
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| 10:30 | <jtwood> They have to have a Windows workstation...no way around it...you just can't run those high end CAD software progs any other way
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| 10:30 | Hyberbyte....what is it that you are doing? If you don't mind me asking
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| 10:31 | <Hyperbyte> We're a touroperator, that organizes vacations for people with a disability.
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| 10:31 | We have about 2000 bookings a year, about 500 travel coordinators/guides (most of them volunteers)
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| 10:32 | <jtwood> Working for an oil and gas business here - the network was half assed from the beginning...walked into a mess...old equipment, no firewalling, no antivirus, poorly implemented AD
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| 10:32 | <Hyperbyte> We have a relatively small backoffice though. We have 9 workstations.
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| 10:32 | <jtwood> list goes on and on...800 ft cat 5 runs with cisco trunking to get enough bandwidth...that kind of bs...
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| 10:33 | Gotchya...what kind fo software do you use?
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| 10:33 | <Hyperbyte> Well, we've started to migrate to opensource software long ago. We've been using Linux servers ever since I started working here, which is about 6 years ago
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| 10:33 | Since then we've switched to OpenOffice, Thunderbird for mail, etc...
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| 10:34 | But we automate an insane amount of work processes. Because we have so many volunteers and bookings, all requiring input/output from our backoffice.
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| 10:34 | <jtwood> That makes it nicer then...I got away from Linux about 10 years ago...couldn't run ProEngineer in Linux and they never really got Wildfire going in it...
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| 10:35 | <Hyperbyte> Recently we've been wanting to switch to Linux, because of the extra possibilities it gives us.
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| 10:35 | We integrate all systems with eachother, and I can nicely integrate everything into Gnome and write scripts for everything in Linux
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| 10:35 | With Windows integration is difficult and time consuming.
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| 10:36 | <jtwood> I just wondered...what I am working on is using MS AD/DC, MS TS, and LTSP - We have a couple of software packages like Quickbooks that we can't seem to get rid of...politics
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| 10:36 | <Hyperbyte> So when we decided Linux would be nice, I thought I'd give LTSP a try because it would save me a lot of cable mess when I have thin clients, plus I can manage and administrate everything on a single system.
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| 10:36 | Heheheh
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| 10:36 | <jtwood> What do you use to administer the thin clients?
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| 10:37 | Such as for user help/support
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| 10:37 | <Hyperbyte> Well, we have one designer working. He uses Indesign and Photoshop and stuff. He's gonna get a powerful Windows workstation under his desk, with a big screen attached, next to his LTSP terminal
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| 10:37 | And our bookkeeper has special software as well, but it runs fine via RDP on a Windows server we have especially for the random little Windows software people still need.
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| 10:38 | I have a shortcut in the Gnome panel menu, which launches RDP and logs in for the user. :)
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| 10:38 | <jtwood> HAHA...I know...its the problem we have too...
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| 10:38 | Gadi pointed me towards seamlessRDP
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| 10:38 | <Hyperbyte> That sounds sexy.
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| 10:39 | <jtwood> I guess its a little bit of configuration nightmare, but it sounds like it just opens a windows with the particular software you are opening on the WinServer
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| 10:39 | Haven't looked into it yet...not quite there
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| 10:39 | <tyrion-mx> Do you know what exactly does the "Install LTSP Server" on the alternate cd?
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| 10:39 | <jtwood> http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/
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| 10:39 | <tyrion-mx> a minal ubuntu + ltsp server?
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| 10:39 | minimal*
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| 10:41 | <Hyperbyte> jtwood: configuration nightmare? I just looked at the site it seems like a piece of cake.
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| 10:41 | <NeonLicht> It seems simple.
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| 10:41 | <jtwood> Yeah, well, from what Gadi was hinting at, it isn't as easy as it looks...I thought the same thing when I read it and he told me not to get too excited
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| 10:42 | Or maybe that was about something else...
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| 10:42 | <Hyperbyte> I'm gonna mail the link to my work address and look at it on monday
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| 10:42 | <jtwood> Just figured you might be interested in it :)
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| 10:42 | <NeonLicht> Probably you need to fight for weeks with the Windows configuration to get the programs you want to run published as terminal services applications.
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| 10:42 | <jtwood> Probably
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| 10:43 | 99.9% of my fight is with M$ not with Linux
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| 10:43 | I just have to read a lot to get the linux stuff to work...:)
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| 10:43 | <NeonLicht> 100% of my fight is with Unix (Linux, BSD), since I don't use any Windows at all :)
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| 10:44 | <jtwood> Very nice...
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| 10:44 | <NeonLicht> Mentaly healthy, mainly. :D
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| 10:44 | <jtwood> We are hardly using Windows...but all of the Linux and BSD boxes like to talk to each other...its the windows ones that give me headaches and nightmares
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| 10:44 | Well, in my test environment anyway
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| 10:45 | My users give me headaches in the real world!
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| 10:46 | <Hyperbyte> Switching to Linux has been a huge headache for me
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| 10:46 | I've been using RedHat Linux for servers since version 6... moved with it to Fedora Core, still using Fedora now for all servers.
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| 10:46 | Problem is
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| 10:46 | Until half a year ago or so
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| 10:47 | I'd never ever used Gnome.
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| 10:47 | :)
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| 10:47 | <jtwood> Its not the switch that is killing me...its the users...I'd never seen a gui in Linux until about the same
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| 10:47 | <Hyperbyte> I've started to learn more and more about it though, and start liking it more. :)
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| 10:47 | <jtwood> Yeah, I'd used Unix and then Linux until about 10-12 years ago...
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| 10:48 | then Windows was the fad and what was installed everywhere I went...
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| 10:49 | <jtwood> I suppose...enough chat for now...better go get a few things done...I'll be lurking here most of the day...weekends are the only time I can really mess around with stuff uninterruped
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| 10:49 | <jtwood> Good talking to you though...
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| 10:50 | <Hyperbyte> You too! Stick around. :)
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| 10:51 | <jtwood> I will be...don't worry...good to know that other people have made this switch...it makes me feel like it will work... haha
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| 11:04 | <jetsetwilly> Hi I was wondering does some know RDP 7.0 compatible client on linux ?
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| 11:20 | <Hyperbyte> jetsetwilly, rdesktop doesn't support 7.0?
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| 11:23 | <jetsetwilly> Hyperbyte, yes i know only 5.1 what about the fork freeRDP anyone using it ?
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