IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 26 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<bieb>
anyone awake?
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<bieb>
anyone awake yet?
05:31
<muppis>
Maybe. Just ask, then you get more chance to got answered..
05:32
<bieb>
I have to do an image rebuild.. was working with Gadi and Vagrantc yesterday. once I do ltsp-build-client.. I should be able to test if the clients can connect right?
05:33
then I can go back and tweak the image the way our old one was?
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<muppis>
You can't tweak actual image, but you can tweak the chroot were it build. After tweaking use ltsp-update-image
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<bieb>
gotcha
05:36
I moved the "bad" image to a temp directory.. is there a way for me to go into that image (i386.img.bad) and grab some files? we changed the background of the login screen and misc things like that?
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<muppis>
I'm not sure, but can try mount it with -o loop -option to access it.
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<bieb>
cool.. I will try that once I get done with the initial testing
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<bieb>
ok.. completed the build of my new image.. boot a client and it fails... PXE-T02: Forbidden Directory
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<bieb>
ok.. completed the build of my new image.. boot a client and it fails... PXE-T02: Forbidden Directory
08:31
<muppis>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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09:52
<tyrion-mx>
Hello
09:54
I just read the manual, and it seems that all the applications are run on the server
09:54
is it possible to use the client resources (ram/cpu)?
09:55
leaving the storage on the server
09:57
<NeonLicht>
Yes, tyrion-mx: local applications, or even fat-clients instead of thin-clients.
09:58
<tyrion-mx>
is this documented somewhere?
09:58
<NeonLicht>
In the documentation?
09:59
<tyrion-mx>
:D
10:00
I asked, because I couldn't find exhaustive informations about that on the manual
10:06
<Hyperbyte>
!localapps
10:06
<ltspbot>
Hyperbyte: "localapps" :: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
10:06
<Hyperbyte>
See there, tyrion-mx. :)
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<tyrion-mx>
thank you Hyperbyte, I just found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTSPLocalAppSetup
10:07
there is also a page for firefox
10:07
<jtwood>
Is setting up home directories on a file server for the LTSP Clients as simple as setting up the LTSP server to use the home directories on a file server?
10:08
<Hyperbyte>
jtwood: yes
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10:08
<Hyperbyte>
LTSP clients use the /home/ on the server, regardless of where it's mounted
10:09
<jtwood>
Excellent. I figured it would be, but I ran into some information that definitely led me to believe otherwise
10:09
<Hyperbyte>
If you're setting up NFS, it might be worthwhile to look into the possibility of getting the clients to mount NFS directly, rather than via the LTSP server
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10:10
<Hyperbyte>
Else you get fileserver <- mount -> terminal server <- mount -> terminal client
10:10
Lots of overhead.
10:10
<jtwood>
I am using samba...mixed windows/linux - user of acls, etc...
10:10
<NeonLicht>
Maybe that an NFS mounted resource cannot be NFS exported, jtwood? Make the clients mount the home dirs on the file server directly.
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<jtwood>
NeonLicht: I have read what you wrote and I am a bit confused. Are you saying NFS mounted on the LTSP Server than shared (Exported) to the Client?
10:14
Nevermind
10:14
I understand...I guess I was confused because it shouldn't work...and I see what you are saying...that it won't work
10:15
Haven't had enough caffeine yet... :)
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10:16
<NeonLicht>
Have a couple of decaffs and you'll feel better. :D
10:16
<jtwood>
Yeah...need something...
10:16
I think my return tour to linux should have been a little less involved project... :D
10:24
<Hyperbyte>
Hehe. :)
10:25
LTSP rocks. You just have to read up on it a bit and learn about it. :)
10:25
<jtwood>
There is one question regarding the LTSP project, of course...its been an ongoign project for some time. We haven't chosen to move away from Windows purely because of the Cost/Licensing nightmare, but also because of the frequent problems we have in Windows that we don't in Linux. I know that some of the software I am using has support agreements which provides not only tech support to the end user (me) but monetary support to the developers. Does LTSP have an
10:25
<Hyperbyte>
Wow. That's a long line. Too long for IRC actually. It was cut off at 'Does LTSP have an....'
10:26
<jtwood>
Sorry...I am verbose...
10:26
Does LTSP have anything set up like this?
10:26
<Hyperbyte>
That's ok. :) Just press enter every now and then. :)
10:26
<NeonLicht>
It was cut at the begining of the actual question! :D
10:26
<Hyperbyte>
Have to say I don't know the answer to that.
10:26
<jtwood>
And believe it or not...new user of IRC - been on the global network for many years...remember gopher, archie, jughead...etc...
10:27
<Hyperbyte>
Well, I don't IRC that much myself actually. But I started idling here because I can get really good information on LTSP.
10:27
I'm in the same situation as you actually. Only I'm a bit further down the line.
10:27
I'm migrating from Windows to Linux (LTSP).
10:27
<jtwood>
Aha...usually there are a few of the devs hanging in here...
10:28
We are just testing a migration from M$ to Linux
10:28
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg is here a lot. He knows lots and lots about LTSP. :)
10:28
<jtwood>
I find it 98% feasible...
10:28
<Hyperbyte>
European weekdays is your best bet to catch him. Other than that, just hang around. :)
10:28
<jtwood>
Yeah, alkisg and gadi have been two of the devs I'
10:28
v talked to
10:29
<Hyperbyte>
I've managed to overcome most of my problems with the LTSP implementation...
10:29
<jtwood>
My only exceptions to LTSP are going to be my damn engineers...
10:29
<Hyperbyte>
Although I think it's a more a combination of Fedora, the software we're using, and the LTSP implementation, to be fair.
10:30
<jtwood>
They have to have a Windows workstation...no way around it...you just can't run those high end CAD software progs any other way
10:30
Hyberbyte....what is it that you are doing? If you don't mind me asking
10:31
<Hyperbyte>
We're a touroperator, that organizes vacations for people with a disability.
10:31
We have about 2000 bookings a year, about 500 travel coordinators/guides (most of them volunteers)
10:32
<jtwood>
Working for an oil and gas business here - the network was half assed from the beginning...walked into a mess...old equipment, no firewalling, no antivirus, poorly implemented AD
10:32
<Hyperbyte>
We have a relatively small backoffice though. We have 9 workstations.
10:32
<jtwood>
list goes on and on...800 ft cat 5 runs with cisco trunking to get enough bandwidth...that kind of bs...
10:33
Gotchya...what kind fo software do you use?
10:33
<Hyperbyte>
Well, we've started to migrate to opensource software long ago. We've been using Linux servers ever since I started working here, which is about 6 years ago
10:33
Since then we've switched to OpenOffice, Thunderbird for mail, etc...
10:34
But we automate an insane amount of work processes. Because we have so many volunteers and bookings, all requiring input/output from our backoffice.
10:34
<jtwood>
That makes it nicer then...I got away from Linux about 10 years ago...couldn't run ProEngineer in Linux and they never really got Wildfire going in it...
10:35
<Hyperbyte>
Recently we've been wanting to switch to Linux, because of the extra possibilities it gives us.
10:35
We integrate all systems with eachother, and I can nicely integrate everything into Gnome and write scripts for everything in Linux
10:35
With Windows integration is difficult and time consuming.
10:36
<jtwood>
I just wondered...what I am working on is using MS AD/DC, MS TS, and LTSP - We have a couple of software packages like Quickbooks that we can't seem to get rid of...politics
10:36
<Hyperbyte>
So when we decided Linux would be nice, I thought I'd give LTSP a try because it would save me a lot of cable mess when I have thin clients, plus I can manage and administrate everything on a single system.
10:36
Heheheh
10:36
<jtwood>
What do you use to administer the thin clients?
10:37
Such as for user help/support
10:37
<Hyperbyte>
Well, we have one designer working. He uses Indesign and Photoshop and stuff. He's gonna get a powerful Windows workstation under his desk, with a big screen attached, next to his LTSP terminal
10:37
And our bookkeeper has special software as well, but it runs fine via RDP on a Windows server we have especially for the random little Windows software people still need.
10:38
I have a shortcut in the Gnome panel menu, which launches RDP and logs in for the user. :)
10:38
<jtwood>
HAHA...I know...its the problem we have too...
10:38
Gadi pointed me towards seamlessRDP
10:38
<Hyperbyte>
That sounds sexy.
10:39
<jtwood>
I guess its a little bit of configuration nightmare, but it sounds like it just opens a windows with the particular software you are opening on the WinServer
10:39
Haven't looked into it yet...not quite there
10:39
<tyrion-mx>
Do you know what exactly does the "Install LTSP Server" on the alternate cd?
10:39
<jtwood>
http://www.cendio.com/seamlessrdp/
10:39
<tyrion-mx>
a minal ubuntu + ltsp server?
10:39
minimal*
10:41
<Hyperbyte>
jtwood: configuration nightmare? I just looked at the site it seems like a piece of cake.
10:41
<NeonLicht>
It seems simple.
10:41
<jtwood>
Yeah, well, from what Gadi was hinting at, it isn't as easy as it looks...I thought the same thing when I read it and he told me not to get too excited
10:42
Or maybe that was about something else...
10:42
<Hyperbyte>
I'm gonna mail the link to my work address and look at it on monday
10:42
<jtwood>
Just figured you might be interested in it :)
10:42
<NeonLicht>
Probably you need to fight for weeks with the Windows configuration to get the programs you want to run published as terminal services applications.
10:42
<jtwood>
Probably
10:43
99.9% of my fight is with M$ not with Linux
10:43
I just have to read a lot to get the linux stuff to work...:)
10:43
<NeonLicht>
100% of my fight is with Unix (Linux, BSD), since I don't use any Windows at all :)
10:44
<jtwood>
Very nice...
10:44
<NeonLicht>
Mentaly healthy, mainly. :D
10:44
<jtwood>
We are hardly using Windows...but all of the Linux and BSD boxes like to talk to each other...its the windows ones that give me headaches and nightmares
10:44
Well, in my test environment anyway
10:45
My users give me headaches in the real world!
10:46
<Hyperbyte>
Switching to Linux has been a huge headache for me
10:46
I've been using RedHat Linux for servers since version 6... moved with it to Fedora Core, still using Fedora now for all servers.
10:46
Problem is
10:46
Until half a year ago or so
10:47
I'd never ever used Gnome.
10:47
:)
10:47
<jtwood>
Its not the switch that is killing me...its the users...I'd never seen a gui in Linux until about the same
10:47
<Hyperbyte>
I've started to learn more and more about it though, and start liking it more. :)
10:47
<jtwood>
Yeah, I'd used Unix and then Linux until about 10-12 years ago...
10:48
then Windows was the fad and what was installed everywhere I went...
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<jtwood>
I suppose...enough chat for now...better go get a few things done...I'll be lurking here most of the day...weekends are the only time I can really mess around with stuff uninterruped
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<jtwood>
Good talking to you though...
10:50
<Hyperbyte>
You too! Stick around. :)
10:51
<jtwood>
I will be...don't worry...good to know that other people have made this switch...it makes me feel like it will work... haha
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<jetsetwilly>
Hi I was wondering does some know RDP 7.0 compatible client on linux ?
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<Hyperbyte>
jetsetwilly, rdesktop doesn't support 7.0?
11:23
<jetsetwilly>
Hyperbyte, yes i know only 5.1 what about the fork freeRDP anyone using it ?
11:24* Hyperbyte shrugs.
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