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Channel log from 21 March 2008   (all times are UTC)

00:42
<dberkholz>
johnny: lemme know if you have any gentoo-related questions
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<stgraber>
moquist: pong
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07:48
<mistik1>
slidesinger: How goes it man
07:48
<slidesinger>
quite well, actually.
07:49
And with you?
07:50
<mistik1>
not too bad
07:50
<slidesinger>
What are you up to these days?
07:50
<mistik1>
I seem to be doing a LOT of programming lately
07:50
I'm in jersey
07:50
<slidesinger>
What languages?
07:50
<mistik1>
Java, C++, java mostly
07:51
<slidesinger>
A big change from the perl/php days, huh?
07:52
<mistik1>
I just implemented an Ident service over SSL for dans guardian to lookup its username against our authenticated gateway
07:52
slidesinger: yeah, but I now find that its all just programming
07:53
Once you know HOW to program its just a matter of learning language specific syntax
07:53
<slidesinger>
That sounds really cool. I find myself in the position of having to become an expert in exim, bind, and apache all at the same time.
07:53
This is true.
07:53
<mistik1>
Never touched exim
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07:54
<slidesinger>
Hey jammcq
07:54
<mistik1>
bind and apache I can deal with
07:54
<jammcq>
hey, it's the mistik1
07:54
and slidesinger
07:54
<mistik1>
hey jammcq
07:54
<slidesinger>
Must be oltimers day or something.
07:54
<mistik1>
hehe
07:54
slidesinger: or programming all night ?
07:54
;)
07:55
<slidesinger>
Did that, back in my mainframe days.
07:55
<mistik1>
slidesinger: are you freelancing these days
07:55
<slidesinger>
Yes
07:56
That's why I have to become expert in those things. I am now managing a web/mail server running on BSD
07:56
<cliebow_>
someone say "oldtimer"?
07:57
<mistik1>
hey Chuck
07:57
<slidesinger>
Gee, all we need is Scott Balneav and ragnarok and we'll have a full house!
07:57
<mistik1>
jammcq: bro, You will never hear me say I'm not a programmer anymore. That talk has been beaten out of me ;-)
07:58
<cliebow_>
heh!!
07:58
<slidesinger>
mistik1: it's about time!
07:58
<jammcq>
heh
07:58
<mistik1>
slidesinger: I had to first trust myself
07:59
After writing some of what I have in the last year or so, pfft!!
08:00
brb, hot beverage
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08:02
<slidesinger>
jammcq: My nephew, Andrew, is a music major in jazz studies at U.Arts in Philadelphia. He's going into his senior year and is just starting to hit the Phildelphia scene.
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08:04
<slidesinger>
jammcq: I thought you might be interested to know that his intro to Jazz was that Miles video that you sent me.
08:04
<jammcq>
wow
08:04
I'd forgotten that I sent you that
08:05
<slidesinger>
You realize that I will have to send you his first album.
08:07
Well, I'm off to the colo to look at the hardware I will be responsible for for the next year.
08:08
<jammcq>
have fun
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08:34
<cliebow_>
dtrask: hanging on to your hat?
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08:49
<dtrask>
cliebow_: yeah....pretty windy huh? :-)
08:49
<johnny>
hi
08:50
<mistik1>
johnny: how far have you guys reached with the gentoo port
08:50
<johnny>
reached.. uhmm.. that's hard to measure
08:50
i hvae the ltsp-build-client script running to completion minus the kernel
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08:50
<mistik1>
nice
08:50
<johnny>
i have built a kernel outside of that script
08:51
but now i'm trying to get the damn thing to boot based off the proper kernel cli parameters, but no dice yet
08:51
via genkernel's initramfs
08:51
i'm using dnsmasq on another server, and i think it might be biting me
08:51
<mistik1>
why not just build a small initramfs with only what you need?
08:52
<johnny>
because i'd prefer to work with the existing tools as much as possible
08:52
i'd rather put work upstream
08:52
debian and ubuntu don't use standard tools
08:52
ie: initramfs
08:52
err initramfs-tools
08:52
so.. we should to
08:53
<mistik1>
but genkernel can be major suckage
08:53
<johnny>
well we should fix it if it is so
08:53
so it can cross compile too
08:54
since i want to be able to run an amd64 server
08:54
and x86 clients
08:54
<mistik1>
hmm
08:54
<johnny>
theoretically all you have to do is pass --kernel-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-gnu and --utils-cross-compile-pc-linux-gnu
08:55
err --utils-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-gnu
08:55
<mistik1>
All one has to do for the kernel is pass ARCH=foo
08:55
when the kernel is configured and compiled
08:55
<johnny>
what i'd like to do
08:56
is take the opts from genkernel4 and get them into genkernel3
08:56
since genkernel4 is a dead project imo
08:56
last commit 11/17/07
08:56
current genkernel was updated 3 days ago
08:56
it as opts like --internal-uclibc
08:57
altho i guess we shouldn't need that anymore
08:57
<mistik1>
Have you looked at what it would take to get this done?
08:57
<johnny>
we should just be able to do --utils-cross-compile=i686-pc-linux-uclibc
08:57
if i halfway understand what i'm doing
08:57
which i might not :)
08:58
<mistik1>
I prolly would not link my kernel against uclibc anyway
08:58
The initramfs utils sure thing
08:59
<johnny>
this --utils-cross-compile
09:00
<mistik1>
I would have to revisit genkernel, I've not used it in some time, I wrote my own kernel building script for my projects
09:00
and use a custom initramfs
09:01
johnny: I'm glad you are trying to get this done, I have been trying to find time for almost a year
09:01
<johnny>
genkernel now has an option to --use-initramfs-overlay
09:02
well.. thank ogra and sbalneav
09:02
<ogra_cmpc>
gentoo doesnt have any common tool to build initramfs ?
09:02
<johnny>
they were very helpful when i was trying to implement
09:02
<mistik1>
ogra_cmpc: genkernel
09:02
<ogra_cmpc>
ah
09:02
<johnny>
ie: before i was devving
09:03
altho scott made me try to stop using dnsmasq
09:03
i forgive him tho
09:03
dnsmasq is actually pretty great, minus 1... yes 1 thing
09:04
<mistik1>
dnsmasq is very simple to configure, however if you dont understand its syntax you are in a world of hurt
09:04
<johnny>
that's the same as for any of these others
09:04
and you don't have to learn bind
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09:04
<johnny>
i've implemented bind before..
09:04
it's not difficult. but still
09:04
<mistik1>
dhcpd's popularity mitigate the effects though
09:04
bind also
09:05
You can find an example anywhere
09:05
dnsmasq is used a lot in embedded type deployments where people are using in custom work and dont post as many examples of its usage
09:05
At least that is what i found
09:06
<johnny>
there is an example on ltsp.org
09:06
which is what i found
09:06
<mistik1>
*nod*
09:06
<johnny>
it works.. except for the case when the server is on a different machien :(
09:06
<mistik1>
does not support the next-server option?
09:06
<johnny>
then you have to do --dhcp-option=17,serverip,path
09:06
err serverip:path
09:07
<mistik1>
ahh
09:07
no biggie then
09:07
<johnny>
except i'm having trouble making it work :) not sure if it's udhcpc or i have to quote it
09:07
ogra_cmpc, you run virtualbox right?
09:08
is it me, or do i see less info from the pxe load than on a normal machine?
09:08
<mistik1>
well good luck with it johnny, I have some C++ to hack and then maybe I can get some sleep
09:08
<ogra_cmpc>
johnny, yuo , for all my pre prelese testing ... i test the final CDs on real HW though
09:08
s/yuo/yup
09:09
*prerelease
09:09
*sigh*
09:09
<johnny>
maybe i'll try with qemu then
09:09
poor ogra, he can't spell
09:09
hehe
09:09
<ogra_cmpc>
onyl no firdyas
09:09
:P
09:10
<johnny>
did somebody tell me that :P got redefined?
09:10
i seem to have been using only the original usage, not it's current
09:10
<ogra_cmpc>
johnny, the rest of the world is just missing that i talk in anagrams ;)
09:10
<johnny>
what does :P mean to you?
09:11
<ogra_cmpc>
thats a tongue ...
09:12
<johnny>
and it means?
09:22
<cliebow_>
always wondered what that meant..but afraid to ask after the tail episode
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09:33
<Pascal_1>
hello
09:33
i cant configure thin client to obtain sound, is there a good link to do that with ltsp 5 on debian etch ?
09:41* ogra_cmpc thinks being blamed for upsttream decisions as someone who just follows marketing intrest is sill and will this resign from ltsp develompment after the hardy release is out, i tried to folow defined upstream guidelines with all my decisions when i led development efforts, seems people read into that that i only follwed ubuntu marketing goals, so everybody have a good life i wont keep out of decisions and everything in the future
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09:42
<laga>
huh
09:43
<cliebow_>
what???
09:43
<jammcq>
hmm, someone seems pissed
09:43
<mistik1>
what the heck prompted that?
09:43
<jammcq>
an email on the developers list
09:43
<laga>
someone on the mailing list?
09:44
<mistik1>
I no longer get the list because I cant access imap server
09:44
<cyberorg>
hmm, he left
09:45
<johnny>
whichlist?
09:45
where is ltsp-devel anyways?
09:45
<cyberorg>
i think most component that are in ltsp5 are almost perfect, testimony to that is i just had to change a couple of lines of code there to get it working on suse
09:45
<laga>
johnny: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=ltsp-developer
09:46
<cyberorg>
i also do not like core having to be rewritten to accommodate different distros, it just works
09:47
<laga>
yeah, dropping NFS root was definitely something that affected LTSP as a whole.. *sigh*
09:47
</irony>
09:47
<cyberorg>
laga, nfs still works, it is not dropped
09:47* jammcq thinks that if one statement by one person on the mailing list put ogra over the edge, there must be other things going on in his mind
09:48
<jammcq>
other pressures
09:48
<laga>
cyberorg: i know, i was being sarcastic. it's still used in debian AFAIK
09:49
<cyberorg>
laga, we offer choice of nbd and nfs both on suse
09:49
basically we just create squashfs image from the nfs root folder
09:49
<laga>
cyberorg: just out of curiosity: what boots faster, nfs or nbd?
09:50
<cyberorg>
laga, currently both suck equally on suse, takes about a minute to boot
09:50
<laga>
heh :)
09:51
ok, i'm gonna reboot into the mythbuntu alternate installer now.. trying to get the LTSP stuff working there
09:51* laga is scared
09:51
<cyberorg>
both work offering the same features
09:55
<warren>
cyberorg, completely insecure to the point where ANYBODY can hijack your desktop session is "almost perfect"?
09:55
<johnny>
so.. who is micheal?
09:55
<cyberorg>
warren, anyone can hijack ssh -X session?
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09:56
<warren>
Michael Shigorin repeatedly has shown himself to be a troll.
09:56
I personally have NO PLANS to support clients of 16 or 32MB RAM
09:56
I would be lucky to make it work with 64MB
09:56
I suspect 128MB will be the minimum
09:56
<johnny>
so he doens't come in here?
09:57
we'll see if he can try to get his patches merged...
09:57
so. ltsp will be forked? :(
09:57
<warren>
Michael seems more interested in gloating about AltLinux than to push anything upstream or work cooperatively.
09:58
<johnny>
i don't even know what altlinux is
09:58
it must not be very popular
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09:58
<warren>
I might share his idea that Ubuntu is a vast conspiracy, but I don't think ogra is to blame.
09:58
<jammcq>
but the fact that some distros, like Altlinux want to support low memory machines is a really good thing, and can only help us
09:58
<cyberorg>
warren, i don't know the technical details much, but on the implementation part, i just worked without changing anything, i just had to build ecosystem on suse around it
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09:58
<cyberorg>
lucky to have kiwi for that too ;)
09:59
<warren>
cyberorg, " i don't know the technical details much" is exactly what makes you dangerous. You just forged ahead and did it without considering that you are using X -ac for all this time.
09:59
cyberorg, and you will soon be using my difficult research to lock it down without losing functionality.
10:00
cyberorg, and yes, even with ssh -X, anybody else on the network could still hijack a user's desktop session with X -ac
10:00
<cyberorg>
warren, cool, i would be privileged to carry your good work to a large section of users, that is what packagers do
10:01
<warren>
cyberorg, reasons like that is why I didn't appreciate whenever you bring up how you had it working since September or something.
10:01
cyberorg, I'm trying to do it CORRECTLY and SECURELY.
10:01
<cyberorg>
warren, i don't doubt it at all
10:01
<warren>
and I'm pushing 100% of what I do upstream so everyone else can benefit
10:01
<mistik1>
jammcq: I agree that something else if going on with Oli, I share many of that Mike's sentiments regarding the direction of ltsp but there was no get up a quit in those statements
10:02
<johnny>
i don't..
10:02
i don't share any of their sentiments
10:02
<warren>
Even if Michael is correct in some sentiments, the negative effects of his attitude combined with a COMPLETE lack of contributions upstream makes him a huge net negative.
10:02
<johnny>
ogra was always open and friendly around here
10:03
<cliebow_>
you bet!!..still is (hopefully)
10:03
<jammcq>
so..... how do we get Oliver back?
10:03
<mistik1>
While I share some of the sentiments, I would hardly blame ogra
10:03
If I had a vote i'd say come on back my brother
10:03
<warren>
Late last year Ogra indicated that his employer is forcing him to work on non-LTSP things so he has to move on anyway.
10:04
but Michael's attacks really didn't help
10:04
<jammcq>
yes, but he always said he'd spend his free time in #ltsp
10:04
<warren>
if someone makes it painful he wont spend his free time
10:04
and he's been spending far more than free time here
10:05
<mistik1>
Wow, what a way texts are open to so many opposing interpretations
10:06
<jammcq>
but one thing for certain about working on an open source project, especially one in which you get to make important decisions, is that you MUST have thick skin. no matter how hard you try, someone will say something that rubs you the wrong way
10:06
<warren>
jammcq, what we need here is a benevolent dictator and some condemnation.
10:07
<mistik1>
jammcq: indeed..
10:07
<jammcq>
hmm, /me ponders who we could get
10:07
<warren>
jammcq, you of course.
10:07
<rjune_>
I'll vote jammcq benevolent dictator of ltsp for life
10:07
<mistik1>
heh
10:08
<rjune_>
Howdy mistik1
10:08
<jammcq>
be careful what you wish for
10:08
<mistik1>
Lets get RMS
10:08
lol
10:08
<rjune_>
LOL
10:08
<mistik1>
hey rjune_
10:08
<rjune_>
I bet Gadi would vote that way too jammcq
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<warren>
Gadi would be a good dictator too. Under the Gadi administration all checkins will contain at least 50 different changes.
10:09
<jammcq>
with plenty of giggling
10:09
<mistik1>
I think the position is already filled by jammcq, he just needs to lower the gavel
10:09
<warren>
s/gavel/guillotine/
10:09
<mistik1>
haha
10:11
<rjune_>
Gadi would be a fun dictator. he'd shut the channel down at 1700 EST
10:12
<warren>
I wont be denouncing Michael on the list to try to bring ogra back.
10:12
We need someone a lot more diplomatic than me.
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10:12
<rjune_>
what, hey dipstick, he's done more work then you. bugger off doesn't cut it?
10:13
<johnny>
i don't think we need a dictator ..
10:13
<cyberorg>
warren, you also need to seriously reevaluate the meaning of "contribution to the project"
10:13
<rjune_>
I know where I stand. useless as of a long time.
10:14
<warren>
cyberorg, simply giving people URL's to your patches is NOT good enough to have upstream accept things.
10:14
<mistik1>
Contribution comes in many forms
10:14
not just code
10:14
<cyberorg>
warren, i don't mean that :) whatever anyone does, however trivial you think it is is also a contribution
10:15* cyberorg can't code
10:15
<johnny>
some projects have poisounous people
10:15
they end up ruining the project when you pander to them
10:15
they need to be told to go away otherwise it never ends
10:16
of course.. poisonous people don't exist without at least some supporters
10:16
which makes it hard to deal with
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<moquist>
stgraber: ping again :)
10:20
<stgraber>
moquist: pong
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<johnny>
sf forums == the suck
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<johnny>
mistik1, http://rafb.net/p/c8saU329.html
10:31
those are genkernel4 opts
10:32
<cliebow_>
i am with rjune..
10:32
<monteslu>
hey who's giving ogra a hard time?
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10:33
<cliebow_>
Michael Shigorin repeatedly has shown himself to be a troll
10:34
<monteslu>
wtf?
10:35
he pushed ogra out?
10:35
<laga>
re
10:35
<cliebow_>
i odnt think as much..must have rally ticked him off..
10:35
<monteslu>
is Shigorin a major contributor or something?
10:35
<cliebow_>
no..
10:37
<monteslu>
you see the ltsp mailing list?
10:38
<cliebow_>
havnt..
10:38
developer?
10:38
<monteslu>
ogra just left a message on it about leaving
10:38
yeah
10:38
<cliebow_>
arrrrgh
10:39
<monteslu>
shit
10:39
i tried responding but it bounced back as spam
10:39
<cliebow_>
i keep getting booted so i cant tresponfd
10:54
<johnny>
wtf with my dhcp server :(
10:59
it keeps offering an ip.. but virtualbox ain't takin it.
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<sutula>
johnny: gadi's magic is leaving :)
11:02
<cliebow_>
`??
11:02
oic
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<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: hey
11:02
<cliebow_>
hi francis
11:03
<stgraber>
hi fgiraldeau
11:03
<fgiraldeau>
hi there
11:03
hope that you're fine
11:05
<johnny>
just No IP
11:05
WTF
11:05
<jammcq>
fgiraldeau: hey, what happened with google summer of code?
11:05
<johnny>
it was working before
11:05
<fgiraldeau>
jammcq: I do not have news yet.
11:05
<jammcq>
I saw the list of projects accepted, and didn't see LTSP :(
11:05
<cliebow_>
johnny: you'll have to sniff..
11:07
<jammcq>
http://code.google.com/soc/2008/
11:07
<fgiraldeau>
I didn't had a confirmation about the fact that LTSP haven't been selected.
11:07
But, maybe I will never get such confirmation...
11:08
Anyway, next year, we will be able to get more prepared
11:08
<cyberorg>
jammcq, http://en.opensuse.org/Summer_of_Code_2008#LTSP_GUI_Management_for_openSUSE
11:08
<jammcq>
hmm
11:08
<cyberorg>
hope we get something that everyone can use
11:08
<fgiraldeau>
After reading FAQ of GSoC, it seems that a huge part of the decision is based on project ideas.
11:09
Most of ideas are on launchpad, mixed between Ubuntu project and LTSP, and things are not mostly clear...
11:10
If we work on that, I think that we will get more chance to get accepted
11:11
<cyberorg>
fgiraldeau, i think accepting projects is over
11:12
<fgiraldeau>
cyberorg: yeah, you're probably right.
11:13
When will accepted mentoring organizations be announced?
11:13
We will announce the list of accepted mentoring organizations on the Google Summer of Code home page on Monday, March 17, 2008
11:13
So, you're right ;)
11:13
<cyberorg>
fgiraldeau, opensuse and fedora both are listed, warren can add ltsp idea on fedora list too
11:16
<cliebow_>
fgiraldeau, sorry to hear that..
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<fgiraldeau>
cyberorg: ok, great, there are so many ideas
11:18
<cyberorg>
fgiraldeau, hopefully one way or the other we'll try to get ltsp idea in GoC ;)
11:21
<johnny>
yes, it is offering , but the virtualbox doesn't see it..
11:21
or that interface in general
11:21
it does discover, but the offer isn't recieved.. even thought it gets sent
11:22
<laga>
johnny: do you have the latest version of virtualbox? there was a version with a broken host network interface implementation, but they fixed it after a few days
11:22
<johnny>
1.5.6 here
11:22
it worked last night :)
11:22
i don't know what changed
11:23
i did upgrade some packages, but nothing that seems related..
11:23
i'm going to login again soon..
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<vagrantc>
i've had some hard to track down, intermittant networking issues when i switched from virtualbox 1.5.5 to 1.5.6 ...
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<johnny>
brb
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<fgiraldeau>
lunch time!
11:28
bon apetit
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<vagrantc>
oh hell.
11:52
sbalneav, jammcq, warren, dberkholz, johnny ... ogra's really frustrated, eh?
11:52
<johnny>
beep
11:52
when i rebooted
11:52
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: that's what it looked like in here -- i'm not on the list
11:52
<vagrantc>
just reading the posts on the mailing list
11:52
<johnny>
i saw br0 hanging
11:52
looks like all i had to do was restart the interfaces
11:53
<dberkholz>
i kind of have a personal "no asshole tolerance" policy, which doesn't seem to fit in real well with the way this community works
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<johnny>
sometimes a bit of that would be nice
11:53
<gvy>
argh.
11:53
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: how's that?
11:53
<johnny>
nice way to enter a room
11:53
lol
11:54
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: as in this community is too tolerant of assholes?
11:54
<dberkholz>
vagrantc: oh, just reading others talking about thick skin and such
11:54
<vagrantc>
hrm. haven't seen that ...
11:55
<dberkholz>
it's too easy to talk about what i'd do in theory without accepting any of the consequences, so i'm going to stop
11:55
<vagrantc>
alright
11:55
i get the feeling i really missed something bigger
11:56
<gvy>
johnny: well i'm feeling lucky: made ogra feel bad :-[
11:56
and he's not here now (what was predictable unfortunately)
11:56
<johnny>
he might be in the network
11:56
just not in this room
11:56
<gvy>
hm... could you hint where to?
11:56
<johnny>
there is this thing in irc.. called /whois
11:56
:)
11:57* gvy is an irc n00b
11:57
<laga>
/whois ogra_cmpc
11:57
<vagrantc>
gvy: what did you do? who are you? :P
11:57
<johnny>
laga, you can do //whois to just print /whois without the space
11:58
<gvy>
vagrantc: mike@altlinux
11:58
see ML
11:58
<vagrantc>
ah, yes.
11:58
<laga>
johnny: no, not with irssi
11:58
<gvy>
managed to offend him :(
11:58
<johnny>
oh
11:58
<vagrantc>
gvy: ah, you :P
11:58
<johnny>
odd laga
11:58
<gvy>
vagrantc: ah me :]
11:58
<johnny>
every other irc client lets you do that
11:58
well i'm glad you showed up gvy
11:58
makes me feel better
11:58
<gvy>
vagrantc: btw thank you for your efforts, while i'm alive
11:59
<vagrantc>
gvy: was it just on the mailing list, or something in irc as well?
11:59
<gvy>
vagrantc: i wasn't here for maybe several months, and on irc for maybe a month or so
12:00
<johnny>
i'm sure he's just feeling some anti-ubuntu sentiment generally.. but hey.. it's ubuntu's turn.. it was redhat before :)
12:00
lol
12:00
there we go.. problem solved
12:01
it finally found itself again
12:01
<gvy>
johnny, re me? :) ubuntu was criticized by me for different things (incl. "stealing" ltsp as an upstream proper) _here_ maybe a year or so ago, and redhat was way later :)
12:01
<johnny>
i meant for things in general.. not just ltsp
12:01
i never felt that way since joining up
12:01
ogra has been a right swell fella
12:02
<gvy>
both stories are actually ones by themselves, and have history from 2005 (when i seriously considered changing our consultancy's base distro -- and sleepless nights' target as well) and from 1999 or so when i dropped redhat
12:02
<vagrantc>
gvy: ubuntu didn't steal upstream, it was GIVEN to ubuntu.
12:02
<gvy>
ogra _is_ one of the best folks i talked with, in fact
12:03
vagrantc: well i can try to dig/sum things up some day but jammcq summed it up already; after a revamp time, it's nice to look if any details are "extra"
12:04
when we reassembled a bike in 1991, there was one
12:04
<vagrantc>
with the idea that ubuntu could commit energy into initial implementation, and we would get other distros involved once it had proved it's meddle a little.
12:04
<gvy>
which wasn't of course
12:04
vagrantc: yeah, i understand and actually credit ubuntu with reengineering ltsp
12:05
<vagrantc>
and debian naturally jumped on as the first distro to take it on, as it wasn't a lot of additional work.
12:05
<gvy>
yup
12:06
<vagrantc>
gvy: i must say, sometimes your posts have felt a little more on the frustrating side, and less on the constructive criticism side :P
12:07
<gvy>
vagrantc: i'd say way too often
12:07
i know that
12:07
and try to work on it
12:07
<vagrantc>
alright. just had to say it :)
12:07
<gvy>
well it's right!
12:07
<johnny>
yay..
12:08* vagrantc gets weary of "my distro is better than your distro"
12:08
<vagrantc>
much more interesting to me is "what can our distro's share?"
12:08
<gvy>
they're all different... usually wrong to tell w/o the job and the people anyways
12:08
+1
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12:09* johnny shares food
12:09
<vagrantc>
mmmm.
12:09
<Pascal_at_home>
hello
12:09
<gvy>
vagrantc: i maintain ~190 packages: http://sisyphus.ru/packager/mike/srpms/ [ru], some of them since 2001
12:09
<johnny>
vegan's about?
12:09
vegans*
12:09
if not
12:09* johnny shares a malapesto
12:10
<vagrantc>
soy vegetariano
12:10
<gvy>
you might guess that involves a bit of communication with users, team mates, peers within another distros, and upstreams or authors :)
12:10
<johnny>
fresh mozarella, pesto, tomato,basil, garlic on a bagel of your choice
12:10* gvy has green tea
12:10
<johnny>
vagrantc, i make those every day for people
12:11
well.. every shift
12:11
it's where my ltsp deployment is :)
12:11
<vagrantc>
gvy: yes, i'magine so
12:11
"what would you like to drink with your ltsp?"
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<johnny>
yes.. we serve tea too
12:12
green,red and otherwise
12:13
<Pascal_at_home>
green tea for me
12:13* vagrantc wants to make a sandwich called "The LTSP"
12:13
<johnny>
regular, morroccan mint, or with toasted brown rice?
12:13
<Pascal_at_home>
toasted brown rice seems to be a rich idzea !!
12:13
idea
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<gvy>
johnny: wow :)
12:27
<johnny>
gvy, my ltsp deployment is at a bookstore coffeehouse
12:27
i'm about to go there now in fact
12:27* gvy sets up xchat on TS in a hasty manner
12:27
<johnny>
so i can attempt (one more time) to get a TIP line added to the credit card receipts
12:32
<gvy>
johnny, and we're small free software consultancy here in ukraine... still remember ltsp3 days and pesky intel pxe firmware in 2002. :)
12:34
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2006-November/001947.html
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<johnny_>
beeb beep
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<cliebow_>
hoink
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<johnny_>
hoink :)...
13:44
good one :)
13:44
yoink
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<cliebow_>
8~)
13:45
<gvy>
cliebow_:
13:45
<cliebow_>
Ho!
13:46
gvy:whats up?
13:46
<gvy>
"hello cliebow" :)
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<cliebow_>
And a hearty hello to you as well
14:02
<steph_>
Sorry to disturb you in a ltsp channel, but I know there is some of you here who use vbox/hardy. Can someone join me in #vbox ? I have few questions.
14:03
<cliebow_>
steph_, sorry cant help you..
14:03
<johnny_>
only gutsy here for now
14:03
ask in the #ubuntu+1 channel
14:03
or whatever the hardy channel is called
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<steph_>
oh. ok. thanks
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<johnny>
hmm..
15:32
Option: (t=17,l=26) Root Path = "192.168.2.4:/opt/ltsp/i386"
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<WarLock>
hi all
15:34
where i can see log booting client machine on ltsp-server ?
15:34
ltsp use 4.2
15:34
<johnny>
check your syslog?
15:34
otherwise.. i don't know.. never used 4.2
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<WarLock>
no, client machine probably loading but i not i'm shure whar its true :( z want see log where whriting log login client machine
15:36
sor for my English (i'm from Ukraine)
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<gvy>
WarLock, laskavo prosymo
15:39
why use 4.2?
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<WarLock>
15:40
<johnny>
hmm.. anyboyd familiar with busybox udhcpc ?
15:41
<WarLock>
gvy :) glyan privat plz
15:41
<gvy>
WarLock, you need to be registered/identified at freenode to pm folks
15:42
WarLock, shigorin/gmail.com
15:42
or subscribe to https://lists.altlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/ltsp-server
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<WarLock>
gvy see mail
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<gvy>
WarLock, i don't use icq :)
15:49
and don't have one for quite long time, see http://gvy.livejournal.com/3549.html
15:51
<WarLock>
15:52
<gvy>
WarLock, but mailing list is better, there are quite a few experienced people there
15:53
<WarLock>
gvy skype?
15:54
may be
15:54
<gvy>
WarLock, jabber ;-)
15:54
mentioned at the url above
15:54
WarLock, kiev?
15:54
<WarLock>
gvy oh... Dnepropetrovsk
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<gvy>
WarLock, there's at least one LTSP experienced person there I know (ns/altlinux.org)
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<steph_>
Scenario: I use ltsp inside virtual box. On host: eth0 is connected via dhcp. eth1 isn't configure/enable. On guest, I would like the same settings eth0 (to the internet), but eth1 to LAN. Do I have to set up eth1 on host to use it in guest?
15:56
<gvy>
WarLock, i'm going home, better go email or better yet -- ML
15:56
<WarLock>
gvy search jabber :)
15:56
gvy one moment
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<gvy>
15:56
<WarLock>
gvy you on work ??? in this time ?
15:56
<gvy>
WarLock, sort of
15:57
at least in the office, the metro will be running for 1.5 hours more :-)
15:58
<WarLock>
gvy :( tomorrow i can speak with you ?
15:58
or after tommorow?
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<gvy>
WarLock, i'll leave xchat but won't probably see it till monday
15:59
better email
15:59
btw http://freesource.info/wiki/Dokumentacija/LTSP5
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<WarLock>
gvy ok ) but in my work use only asp linux and ppc
16:00
:( my task ltsp + asplinux
16:00
<gvy>
WarLock, and http://www.magic.kiev.ua/ru/solutions/servers/altsp5/
16:00
<WarLock>
>11.2 lagoda
16:00
<gvy>
asp 11.2 got negative reponses from folks i know...
16:01
<WarLock>
thnks ) i whrite you
16:01
<gvy>
i think leon and andriy has done something for 12 but still it's largely a fedora
16:01
<WarLock>
i like mandriva more:) but work is work
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<gvy>
well, there's no native ltsp in neither asp nor mdv
16:02
4.2 is rather forgotten...
16:03
WarLock, anyways, maybe the advice would help
16:03
i mean wiki and list
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<subsume>
Can someone please tell me how to get the startup messages of a thin client onto the DHCP server?
16:04
<gvy>
huh
16:04
that doesn't make sense
16:04
<johnny>
lol
16:04
<subsume>
lol
16:04
<johnny>
you just repeated me
16:04* gvy knows
16:04
<johnny>
i said that in #edubuntu to him
16:05
<subsume>
har har.
16:05
<gvy>
subsume, well, which messages -- log messages?
16:05
<subsume>
a thin client starts up and its encountering some error
16:05
yes, the log
16:05
<gvy>
does it freeze?
16:05
<subsume>
I get dumped into initramfs but the /var/log is empty
16:05
<johnny>
that has nothing to do with dhcp
16:05
<gvy>
ah, that early you won't probably be able to redirect it more easy than debug it...
16:05
<subsume>
aww man. I just wish it would S L O W down in the beginning
16:06
<gvy>
shift-pageup
16:06
<subsume>
I'm sure it says what's wrong in plain english
16:06
<gvy>
if there was no font change or videomode change
16:06
<subsume>
the edubuntu splash screen appears... shift page up doesn't do anything
16:06
<johnny>
turn off the splash screen
16:07
<gvy>
btw it helps to describe the very problem and ask what to do instead of asking how to do some "solution" one came up with by himself
16:07
<subsume>
Yeah.
16:07
<gvy>
been trapped by my invented "solutions" being all wrong in the first place :)
16:07
<johnny>
you can turn it off in the pxelinux.cfg/default file
16:07
<gvy>
eg vga=0
16:07
<johnny>
or just remove splash and quiet
16:08
<subsume>
let me try that
16:08
<gvy>
johnny, btw i've stumbled upon that while looking on 7.10b5 or so
16:08
<johnny>
7.10b5?
16:08
<gvy>
on the very standard hw: pIII, 440bx, ati 4m, intel pxe nic
16:08
beta5
16:08
<johnny>
of 7.10?
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<subsume>
johnny: the pxelinux.cfg file at /etc/ltsp?
16:09
<johnny>
that was like 7 months ago
16:09
<gvy>
edubuntu 7.10 beta5 iirc (might be beta3 if there was no 5)
16:09
yup
16:09
<WarLock>
gvy what cd i can download from ftp://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/beta/ltsp-server/ ? i can see alt + ltsp5
16:09
<johnny>
sorry.. i didn't knwo ubuntu put one there.. i have no idea
16:09
in the tftpboot dir
16:09
<gvy>
just in case that was known/fixed and the same problem
16:09
<johnny>
7.10 was 8 months ago?
16:09* gvy put the disk apart and didn't return
16:09
<johnny>
try something newer
16:09
<gvy>
like that
16:10
i made something newer myself :)
16:10
just worked...
16:10
<subsume>
It contains one line: DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash nbdport=2001
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<gvy>
WarLock, 4.0rc1 probably
16:11
<subsume>
removed quiet and splash...let's see...
16:11
<WarLock>
gvy thnks . load :) it's quick
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<gvy>
WarLock, btw there's also newer school snapshot: ftp://ftp.linux.kiev.ua/pub/Linux/ALT/beta/school/terminal
16:12
<subsume>
yay, useful errors!
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<subsume>
Lots of errors I don't understand.
16:12
mount: Mounting /rofs on /rootrofs failed: Invalid arg?
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cp: unable to open /root/etc/: Is a directory
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<vagrantc>
subsume: which linux distro?
16:13
<WarLock>
gvy thnks :)
16:13
<subsume>
I swear I'm not just some leech. I've been updating https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPFatClients religiously so people don't run into this junk.
16:13
<gvy>
WarLock, welcome
16:13
<subsume>
vagrantc: edubuntu
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<vagrantc>
subsume: ok.
16:14
subsume: on gutsy ?
16:14
<subsume>
vagrantc: 7.10. I think gutsy.
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<vagrantc>
subsume: you're doing fat clients?
16:15
<subsume>
vagrantc: yes.
16:16
<gvy>
rather labeled "diskless workstations" usually
16:16
<subsume>
these have disks
16:17
<gvy>
ah
16:17
<subsume>
that's why they are fat =)
16:17
<vagrantc>
gvy: if i spent a few minutes, i could come up with probabaly half-a-dozen names for the diskless workstation/fat client concept
16:18
<gvy>
vagrantc, sure, just mentioned in case it was reinventing the wheel (unlikely as the person knows what initramfs etc is)
16:19* gvy home
16:19
<gvy>
thanks && bb!
16:20
<subsume>
I hate when threads end ambiguously http://www.nabble.com/Clients-Display-BusyBox-(initramfs)-Prompt-td14304380.html
16:23
vagrantc: do you think this could be a DHCP conf issue?
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<shogunx>
hi all. any major ltsp changes planned for ubuntu 8.04?
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<johnny>
shogunx, mostly cleanup and stabilization
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<subsume>
What doe the next-server parameter do?
17:11
in dhcp
17:12
<johnny>
points to where you're hosting the boot up stuff
17:12
if it's not in the same machine that is running ltsp
17:13
<subsume>
aha. I should comment it out then
17:14
I found a doc indicating my mount problems might be caused by improper dhcp setup... but I'm not getting an SCIOADD errors.
17:16
is ltsp/i386/nbi.img the right filename?
17:16
<johnny>
uhmm..depends on your setup..
17:16
what error are you getting?
17:17
oh.. that roofs thing? you'd have errored out earlier
17:17
<vagrantc>
next-server is needed on debian, but ubuntu has patched upstream dhcp3-server to not require it
17:17
<subsume>
johnny: yeah. the same root stuff.
17:17
I can paste if anyone is interested
17:17
<johnny>
perhaps in a lil while
17:18
<vagrantc>
subsume: the filename it displays right before your error is likely not really used ...
17:18
<subsume>
I don't know enough about this ltsp stuff to even get what's breaking.
17:18
<vagrantc>
subsume: if you can paste as much of the boot message to the pastebot, that would be helpful.
17:19
<subsume>
vagrantc: sure. I will have to type it all up.
17:19
<vagrantc>
something in the NBD or maybe squashfs isn't going right
17:19
subsume: that's where virtual machines come in handy :)
17:19
or serial consoles, if you're so inclined :)
17:19
<subsume>
heh heh. this project has become very elaborate.
17:19
I was just trying to help out an elementary school...simplifying their computer lab
17:22
<vagrantc>
the root password isn't needed for debugging ...
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<subsume>
http://dpaste.com/40625/
17:23
there it is vagrantc .
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<vagrantc>
subsume: ok, so it shoulds like the rofs, which is a squashfs image that's mounted using NBD is somehow failing ...
17:25
subsume: egrep -v '^#' /etc/inetd.conf | sort -u -n
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<subsume>
on server, vagrantc
17:25
?
17:26
<vagrantc>
subsume: yes. i will be explicit if i mean server, thin client, or the chroot
17:26
<subsume>
oh my I see something weird
17:26
<vagrantc>
er, i guess i'm not explicit with server, but i'll be explicit when it's not the server :)
17:26
<subsume>
http://dpaste.com/40626/\
17:26
http://dpaste.com/40626/
17:26
What's odd is the 'fati386'.
17:26
I used simply 'i386'
17:26
<vagrantc>
subsume: you could also use pastebot.ltsp.org :)
17:26
<subsume>
ok.
17:27
<vagrantc>
subsume: file /opt/ltsp/images/fati386.img
17:27
<subsume>
vagrantc: no such file
17:28
its i386.img.
17:28
<vagrantc>
subsume: anything in /opt/ltsp/images ?
17:28
<subsume>
yepo. ^
17:28
<vagrantc>
well, that's your problem.
17:28
<subsume>
I'd say that's a problem!
17:28
<vagrantc>
edit /etc/inetd.conf to point to i386.img
17:28
<subsume>
but where the heck is the fati386 coming from?
17:28
ok.
17:28
<vagrantc>
and then restart inetd ...
17:29
invoke-rc.d openbsd-inetd restart
17:29
subsume: maybe you followed the instructions exactly?
17:29
<subsume>
vagrantc: I never touched that file.
17:29
<vagrantc>
they would create a fati386
17:29
sudo ltsp-build-client --base /opt/ltsp/ --chroot fati386 --prompt-rootpass
17:30* vagrantc wouldn't recommend using --base or --chroot unless you're willing to make patches to fix all the bugs
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<subsume>
vagrantc: now TFTP is timing out
17:31
<johnny>
hmm.. so .. i'm trying to figure out why my script isn't getting the right root path..
17:32
<vagrantc>
those instructions use fati386 all over the place, and it can really complicate the issue...
17:32
<subsume>
vagrantc: I ignored the fat directive.
17:32
but maybe I mistyped.
17:32
<vagrantc>
subsume: apparently only partially
17:32
<subsume>
crap.
17:33
TFTP is timing out now... is there something I need to do?
17:33
<vagrantc>
subsume: egrep ^tftp /etc/inetd.conf
17:33
<subsume>
tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /srv/tftp
17:33
that's the only line
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<vagrantc>
subsume: looks like you configured tftp to not use the default location
17:34
<subsume>
I don't know how I would have done that
17:34
<vagrantc>
nor do i
17:34
<subsume>
when I start up, I don't see a broadcast address
17:34
is that a problem?
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<vagrantc>
subsume: so, you've got a number of things set up in non-default locations ...
17:37
<subsume>
Hmpf.
17:37
i restarted tftp.
17:37
meh, nothing.
17:38
<vagrantc>
does /srv/tftp/ltsp/ exist?
17:38
<subsume>
no
17:38
<vagrantc>
that's probably why.
17:38
<subsume>
you sure that's ubuntu default?
17:38
Because I simply installed the package.
17:39
<vagrantc>
i'm 99% certain that's *not* the ubuntu default for the allowable tftp servers that ltsp-server depends on.
17:39
<johnny>
/var/lib/tftpboot
17:39
that's ubuntu default
17:40
<vagrantc>
and there's probably tasty ltsp kernels sitting in there to download.
17:40
<subsume>
vagrantc: so I need to updated my inetd.conf?
17:40
<vagrantc>
something, somewhere, configured it differently.
17:40
vagrantc: sure ...
17:41
and then restart inetd ...
17:41
<subsume>
I think I ran it through xinetd
17:41
<johnny>
inetd is default on ubuntu
17:41
<vagrantc>
openbsd-inetd, i think
17:41
<johnny>
yes
17:42
<vagrantc>
subsume: how did you install this system?
17:42
<subsume>
vagrantc: as described in that doc except I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot for tftp
17:42
<vagrantc>
it seems like a number of things are a little unusual.
17:44
<subsume>
tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /var/lib/tftpboot
17:44
^^ yet TFTP timeout persists
17:44
<vagrantc>
subsume: did you restart openbsd-inetd ?
17:44
<subsume>
yes.
17:44
<vagrantc>
well, it's all kinds of broken.
17:44
<subsume>
do I need to mess with xinetd?
17:45
it works
17:45
as soon as i restarted xinetd (I think)
17:45
<vagrantc>
egads.
17:45
<subsume>
booted into ubuntu (with some errors)
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<vagrantc>
i haven't used xinetd in so many years ...
17:46
<johnny>
you shouldn't be using both i think
17:46
?
17:46
<vagrantc>
in general, it's a little odd to use both
17:46
although if they're each listening on different ports, it's probably not an issue ...
17:47
but the chances of getting some sort of muck-up are high.
17:47
<subsume>
yeah.
17:47
I think it was a workaround for tftp errors.
17:47
but as you discovered tftp was poorly setup
17:48
so my workaround was probably not necessary.
17:48
<vagrantc>
so, we've got a really messed up system. might be easier to start over than to repair the damage.
17:48
<subsume>
depends. Any quick way to make the ubuntu login screen go away so I can scroll to the startup errors?
17:48
<vagrantc>
s,we,you,g
17:49
subsume: on the server or the client?
17:49
<subsume>
client
17:49
<vagrantc>
set SCREEN_07=shell
17:49
in lts.conf
17:49
<subsume>
in that pxe conf?
17:49
hmm..
17:50
<vagrantc>
/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
17:50
<subsume>
i need to update the image after i do that, right?
17:50
oh, no. ok
17:50
vagrantc: funny that you mention that. lts.conf is having syntax errors
17:51* vagrantc wonders what else could possibly go wrong
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<subsume>
Per the fat client doc it contains two lines "RCFILE_00=/etc/nfsmounts.sh" and "RCFILE_01=/etc/startgdm.sh"
17:52
vagrantc: adding that to lts.conf didn't change the startup screen
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<vagrantc>
subsume: SCREEN_07=shell ?
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<subsume>
working now.
18:16
whew.
18:16
yeah, still got syntax error in /etc/lts.conf line=1
18:17
should I be getting ltsp login: prompt if ldap is properly installed on the client, vagrantc ?
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<vagrantc>
SCREEN_07=shell will stop the graphical login from showing up
18:19
subsume: you know, the document you followed does some things that are prone to error, and some things that may be just a bit off ...
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<bardyr>
hey
18:19
<subsume>
yes, I know =)
18:19
I've been updating it.
18:19
<vagrantc>
subsume: your machine is in a state which is hard for me to support, since i work on debian and not ubuntu ... they're similar, but there's enough differences that i'm having a bit of trouble helping.
18:20
<subsume>
yeah, I'm sorry.
18:20
I appreciate your help
18:20
<vagrantc>
well, don't be sorry ...
18:20
<subsume>
hell its booting.
18:20
=)
18:20
<bardyr>
is there a guide on setting users up, and basic management or any graphical tools?
18:20
<subsume>
I'm just not famil with ltsp. I am famil with ldap.
18:20
<vagrantc>
subsume: i'm ldap-clueless
18:21
<subsume>
vagrantc: well, what's ltsp login?
18:23
I'm chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386 and yet 'adduser' tells me i already exist (and its not in the chroot /etc/passwd)
18:24
nvm
18:24
ltsp is working great
18:26
<bardyr>
i have a 250mhz, 128mb ram box, should ltsp be very very slow or is it just a bad configuration?
18:30
<subsume>
vagrantc: what steps would you recommend to completely start over? =)
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
19:29
<bardyr>
has anybody tried installing gnome in ltsp in ubuntu hardy?
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<subsume>
hmm
19:31
gusty here
19:31
How many fat clients loading full edubuntu desktop could you say would run off of 1 server?
19:32
<bardyr>
x clients
19:32
<subsume>
bardyr: ?
19:32
<bardyr>
subsume, 1 server is a very loose term
19:32
<subsume>
bardyr: hmm.
19:33
bardyr: I don't know the specs on this server.
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<johnny>
subsume, you shouldn't go hacking ltsp so much if you don't know how it works
20:25
that's the reason i'm working on the gentoo port
20:25
so i can figure the thing out
20:25
<subsume>
johnny: that's very adventurous of you. Unfortunately I don't have a choice =)
20:26
I just want this darned lab tow ork
20:26
to work.
20:26
<johnny>
well if you don't know how it works
20:26
how are you going to get it to work when running outside the standard
20:26
it's one thing if you are doing everything standard.. but you are't
20:26
<subsume>
johnny: believe me, I wish I never had to think about ltsp. =)
20:27
nice as you guys are.
20:27
I'm just a perfectionist I guess and I want this lab rocking
20:27
I'm an important adventurer for Ubuntu =)
20:27
<johnny>
then learn more :)
20:27
<subsume>
Here I am hanging out with you brilliant people--how can I not?
20:27
<vagrantc>
subsume: have you gotten a "normal" thin-client install working?
20:28
<subsume>
vagrantc: never in my life. but I don't need a normal thin client.
20:28
<vagrantc>
subsume: but installing it, getting it to work, etc. will be much easier, and then you can add the fatclient stuff after the fact.
20:28
i.e. do not run before you can walk
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<subsume>
yeah, you're probably right.
20:29
Hell, I'm not even sure how what I'm doing is fat at all.
20:29
<vagrantc>
subsume: if you've got an edubuntu alternate CD, i think there's an option to install an LTSP server ...
20:29
that's probably the easiest way to get *something* working
20:30
<subsume>
vagrantc: then I'd have to redo samba and a million other things
20:32
<vagrantc>
subsume: can you set up a second server just for testing and experimentation?
20:32
<subsume>
vagrantc: not that I doubt you're wisdom. You're absolutely right. I'm grateful you guys even pay attention to me.
20:32
<vagrantc>
just so you can see what's it's supposed to look like ...
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<subsume>
vagrantc: suppose I could.
20:39
What's the proper way to setup tftp in ubuntu? I tried but it doesn't exist in inetd.conf
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<petre>
evening all
21:22
<jammcq>
hey petre
21:22
<petre>
hey jammcq, how've you been?
21:23
<jammcq>
very busy. how bout you?
21:23
<petre>
same, thus not very active on the lists lately
21:25
how's your medical business going?
21:27
<jammcq>
it's good
21:27
real good
21:27
sucking up all my time
21:29
<petre>
I keep thinking we'll cross paths at some point, at least if your clients take medicare patients
21:29
<jammcq>
well, some of them do
21:31
<petre>
if they do their billing directly to medicare (not through an aggregator), then their either using dial-up, or our services over the internet
21:31
<jammcq>
in NY, they are sending direct to medicare. in michigan, we go to BCBSM or WPS
21:33
<petre>
In NY they just had a conversion, moving to a different data site that providers have to connect to
21:33
<jammcq>
hmm
21:33
NY is a couple different regions. we're sending to UMD (Upstate Medicare Division)
21:34
<petre>
we've been having some sort of big push to get them to go through our service although I don't quite understand the details
21:34
and we handle a lot (most? all?) connections to WPS.
21:34
<jammcq>
cool
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<petre>
Yeah, it's good place work, very FOSS oriented
21:35
<jammcq>
we're setting up a connection now to Emdeon
21:35
<petre>
I recognize that name, although I don't know anything about them, heard it around the office occasionally
21:37
I saw a message from ogra a few weeks ago in which he said he's not working full-time on edubuntu any more (?)
21:40
<jammcq>
yeah, Ubuntu's not putting much effort into Edubuntu these days
21:41
<petre>
is he still doing ubuntu/canonical stuff?
21:41
<jammcq>
yeah
21:41
he's got lots of other stuff assigned to him
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<petre>
I signed up for Warren's k12linux list; hope to take f8 or f9 & ltsp5 out for a spin in the next few weeks
21:44
I presume you saw the message from Jim Kronebusch, about moving to the "110% MS" hospital
21:44
<jammcq>
hmm, no
21:44
yeah, warren has been here every day, working on ltsp-5/fedora integration
21:45
<petre>
They called him up, offered him a bunch more $$
21:45
<jammcq>
wow
21:46
<petre>
Jim & I talked briefly about trying to do another LTSP & schools conference, but we're both too busy, and last year's turnout was demoralizing
21:46
<jammcq>
hmm
21:47
<petre>
It was partly my fault: the flyers we mailed last year were just plain white paper, not school-bus yellow like the year before
21:47
<jammcq>
it's hard to be a cheerleader, trying to get people to adopt what you are pushing
21:47
<petre>
yes, really frustrating.
21:47
I can buy a dual-core box with 2GB ram for $350 right now
21:48
<jammcq>
heh
21:48
<petre>
enought to power a whole classroom of old-PCs-as-thin-clients
21:48
$100 for a switch, $50 for cables
21:49
so for $500 they could buy one PC for the class or a server and donated clients for 1:1 student to computers in that same classroom
21:49
Macs & Windows are just madness
21:49
I don't understand why people don't see that
21:49
<chup>
gates has the fix in.
21:50
<jammcq>
hey chup
21:50
<chup>
yo jim
21:51
<petre>
is anyone besides Warren working on LTSP & RH/F?
21:51
<jammcq>
he's pretty much running solo
21:51
<petre>
here in #ltsp I mean
21:51
<chup>
bill has had so many years to influence the market.
21:51
<petre>
sigh, I hope he doesn't burn out like Eric
21:52
<jammcq>
there's some Opensuse guys who hang out here, they're having some good success lately
21:53
<petre>
chup: I think it's also that the techs at schools are young, not very well paid, and don't have much experience
21:53
tend to stick with what they know
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<chup>
trudat. And we are too old to believe
21:53
<petre>
are you guys gonna do 'ltsp by the sea' next November or so?
21:54
<jammcq>
I'm planning on it
21:54
wanna come?
21:54
<petre>
yeah, I do
21:54
<jammcq>
we did it last year, had a WONDERFUL time
21:55
caught the tail end of a hurricane
21:55
it was pretty cool
21:55
<chup>
where is the sea?
21:55
<petre>
Maine
21:55
<jammcq>
SW Harbor, Maine
21:55
<chup>
ahh
21:55
<petre>
my wife wants to go to Denver in Aug. for the Democratic convention; I'd stay home with the kids
21:56
so, tit-for-tat, I'll try to come to LBTS
21:56
how many were you last year? 12 or so?
21:57
<jammcq>
umm, I think 14 or 15
21:57
a couple guys could only stay 1 day
21:57
<chup>
no linuxworld?
21:57
<jammcq>
Gadi, Ogra, sbalneav and a bunch of others were there
21:57
no, haven't done Linuxworld in a while
21:57
<petre>
isn't it usually something like Thur-Sun?
21:58
<jammcq>
yeah, that's what we try for, but it was right after Ubuntu dev summit in boston, and that ran until friday
21:58
so we went friday night - Monday
21:58
next time, we'll try to stay clear of Ubuntu's dev summit
21:59
<petre>
where do you fly into?
21:59
<jammcq>
Warren and eHarrison were also there
21:59
you could fly into Boston, Portland or Bangor
21:59
bangor being the closest
21:59
I drove
21:59
<petre>
That was Warren's first, wasn't it?
21:59
<jammcq>
yeah, first time for BTS for warren
21:59
he's been to a couple other LTSP events tho
21:59
had him here back in September of 06 for a LTSP Hackfest
22:02
<petre>
oh, to be independently wealthy: I'd spend my days hacking on ltsp, occasionally go show it to some charter school where they're not hide-bound wedded to Windows or Macs
22:03
<jammcq>
I'm headed down to brazil again on apr 15th
22:03
<petre>
you drove? from Detroit?
22:03* jammcq loves going there
22:03
<jammcq>
yeah, drove
22:03
<petre>
how long?
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<jammcq>
which?
22:04
<petre>
maine
22:04
drive, I mean
22:04
<jammcq>
to drive? umm, it's a very long day
22:04
but I have a customer in Rochester, NY that I stopped at, so I split the drive over 2 days
22:05
<petre>
Not so bad then, I guess.
22:06
Oops, gotta run. I want to hear about Brazil. I'll try to get on #ltsp tomorrow night.
22:06
<jammcq>
ciao
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