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Channel log from 6 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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08:23
<cdealer>
hi ... Im making some tests with ltsp5 and ubuntu 8.04... after the install I notice that the tftp server is not starting up ... I tried /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa start but there are no output, so I forced with /usr/sbin/in.tftp -l -s /var/lib/tftpboot but the client still cant boot...
08:24
<cyberorg>
cdealer, tftp should be handled by inetd
08:25
<cdealer>
cyberorg, but after apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone opensshserver it shouldnt already be ready to boot the client ?
08:26
obs, I have made the ltsp-build-clients to
08:27
<cyberorg>
cdealer, i haven't much idea about how it is done on ubuntu, we handle tftp server via xinetd on opensuse
08:30
<laga>
cdealer: what's in /var/log/daemon.log?
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08:33
<cdealer>
Hmmm Im rebooting now... I notice that on my boot cd I havent the LTSP install option after pressing F4
08:38
<barton`ello>
hello 2all. Could you help me? I`ve kubuntu 7.10 with ltsp (probably 5). After I`ve configured it and I`ve tryed to login in kdm-login screen. It seems that kdm crashes, and I return to the kdm-login window again... What could help me? /tmp at host and clien system has 777 permitions, "LDM_REMOTECMD=/usr/bin/startkde" to lts.conf I`ve added. And I can ssh to host from tty1.
08:38
sorry for my english)
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08:39
<cdealer>
laga, there are a lot of things in the daemon log but no keyword tftp
08:39
cyberorg, tftp is already on inet
08:48
laga, after trying to start manualy the tftp server it gives me on daemon.log an error saying that cannot bind to localsocket: Address Already in use O.o
08:49
<laga>
it's probably already running ;)
08:50
yeah, it's started from inetd.
08:50
what's the problem exactly?
08:50
<cdealer>
laga, the client cant boot. The last line on the boot screen is TFTP
08:51
the client gets an ip from dhcp, when the image loading was to start it only prints TFTP
08:51
so I came to the server and ran ps aux | grep tftp and find nothing
09:14
<Gadi>
cdealer: grep next-server /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
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<cdealer>
Gadi, I havent this option enabled. Now I booted my client, but the screen get black after the UBUNTU loading
09:24
With ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 the installation occours without problems, are very smooth ... Im thinking so weird this issues
09:27
<Gadi>
cdealer: what kind of client video chip?
09:34
<cdealer>
Gadi, SiS M741
09:36
<Gadi>
cdealer: so, on the client, you get the ubuntu boot splash, after which the screen goes blank and ldm does not appear?
09:36
is that correct?
09:40
<cdealer>
yeah, exactly
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<Gadi>
can you ctrl-alt-f1 and get to a login?
09:46
if yes, create a root password, reroll the image, reboot the client, login, and tak a look at the xorg logs
09:46
it sounds like you have video issues
09:47
alternatively, set XSERVER=vesa in your lts.conf
09:47
and see if you get ldm to come up
09:47
my guess is that if you have a sis chipset, you probably are using a very crappy (read cheap) thin client - so, it may be working fine and just extremely slow
09:48
is this one of the 200MHz SIS clients?
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<rjune__>
Gadi: !
09:59
<cdealer>
Gadi, Hmm no... is a p4 3.0ht Itautec Infoway
10:00
what I think strange, is that I never had problems with the previous version of ubuntu
10:05
<Q-FUNK>
lns: howdy. did the test work?
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10:10
<Gadi>
cdealer: why should you find that strange? feisty LTSP was completely different than gutsy which completely changed again with hardy :)
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10:11
<Gadi>
but, gutsy and hardy were more similar to each other
10:11
<davidj>
Gadi!
10:11
<Gadi>
but drivers and such have changed
10:11
davidj! rjune!
10:12
<davidj>
How are things? I know I've been quiet lately.
10:12
<Gadi>
davidj: are you suffering from the tornados and such down south?
10:12
<davidj>
I'm hoping to hack on some things this weekend.
10:12
No, the tornados are in Kansas. It's just hot here (around 100 F)
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<Gadi>
ah - I thought even DC was getting hit
10:13
and figured if it could make it that far east...
10:13
<davidj>
Gadi, where's Warren's cvs repo for ltsp? I'd like to download it and try it out.
10:14
<Gadi>
you mean bzr?
10:14
<davidj>
We've been spared, so far. We do get tornadoes from time to time, though.
10:14
Yes, I mean bzr.
10:15
(sorry, cvs is short for "place where the interesting stuff is kept") :-)
10:15
<Gadi>
lol
10:15
you can prolly grab upstream bzr stuff
10:15
lemme pull up url
10:16
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/
10:16
<davidj>
thanks!
10:16
<Gadi>
that'll show ya the branches
10:17
<davidj>
Think you'll make it to Maine this year?
10:17
<Gadi>
in the fall?
10:18
<davidj>
Yes (although I suppose you could argue that it makes more sense to go there in August, and go to Florida in the fall)
10:18
<Gadi>
lol
10:18
I go where they tell me
10:18
:)
10:19
<davidj>
:)
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<davidj>
thanks for the url, I'm pulling it down now.
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<Q-FUNK>
http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2008/06/kuradne-geode-draiveri.html
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<TheBartman>
anyone around
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<sutula>
Whew...everyone can come out from under the covers again :)
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<davidj>
Gadi, talk to you next week. Hope you have a great weekend!
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<x86>
LOL
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12:42
<cdealer>
ok, I made a full clean install and after configuring everything now its working. Why some java applications are very very slow? In the other server running ubuntu 7.10 is normal... any ideia ?
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<cdealer>
this applet loads from a https connection ... this can have influence in the performance ?
12:54
if I connect to the application from the server the performance is perfect, but is if from the client every action inside the java application take too long ...
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<Gadi>
cdealer: are you using LDM_DIRECTX?
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<cdealer>
Gadi, Hmm if I know what this is I could say something about it hhehe =X What is it ?
13:22
better, what this do
13:23
ok, I googled for it already
13:25
I was asking for my self... its possible to install the same ltsp version from ubuntu 7.10 on 8.04? I need some upgrade from 8.04 but ltsp on 7.10 was perfect for me
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<johnny>
doubtful
13:28
at least not unless you make it happen
13:28
if you twiddle enough bits you might make it work, but nobody will support that ltsp
13:28
i know i won't
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<cdealer>
Hmmm yeah ... was what i was thinking ... =/
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<cdealer>
one other ideia that im up to test is the ltsp on other distro, like opensuse... anyone knows a good tutorial on how to setup ltsp5 on it?
13:47
<johnny>
no idea
13:47
but there are less suse people than ubuntu people
13:48
you'll have to wait longer for answers
13:48
etc
13:48
<cdealer>
haha yeah... this could be a issue
13:48
but Im want just to make a test... could be good for knoledge
13:49
<johnny>
well.. go ahead :)
13:49
search for it
13:50
<cdealer>
yeah .. im digging for it hehe
13:52
is there any pay support for ltsp ?
13:52
<johnny>
uhmm.. not from ltsp itself..
13:52
but i'm sure you could work something out
13:53
<ogra>
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid
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<cdealer>
we are doing this here, many test, configurations, tries.. but in the end we arent the people who develope, we dont have a complete know how of ltsp, and sometimes I know its very annoying making questions
13:54
<lns>
cdealer, that's why there are other people to bounce questions/ideas off of here (and like ogra mentioned, paid support)
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<lns>
Between everyone, IMHO, it's much much better support than from any closed-source product
13:55
<cdealer>
ogra, the paid support mentioned there isnt just for ubuntu itself?
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13:55
<ogra>
cdealer, for ubuntu thin client servers
13:56
as mentioned in the pricelist
13:56
<cdealer>
I realy apreciate your support, very good and fast, but I think its cool to help who develop paying for support and stuff like that, im on this policy
13:56
ogra, if they could support ltsp is something Im realy going to digg for mo information
13:57
<ogra>
well, thats why canonical paid a fultime dev to implement muecow as ltsp5 for two years :)
13:57
<cdealer>
Hmm good, this was something I didnt know
13:58
<ogra>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5
13:58
there is some history
13:58
its a bit outdated though
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<cdealer>
ogra, im sending a contact form to ubuntu hoping they get in contact
14:10
<ogra-ume>
they will :)
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<ogra-ume>
yo, vagrantc
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<johnny>
ogra, sup with your travel plans now?
14:36
<itais>
hi, I'm having problems using X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 & X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = intellimouse in lts.conf, the client ignores it..
14:36
any possible idea?
14:39
<ogra>
it should run inputattach for that
14:39
(which attaches the serial mouse automatically to /dev/input/mice)
14:39
<vagrantc>
ogra: hi
14:39
<itais>
ogra: i don't understand what you mean O:-)
14:40
theorically the xorg.conf will parse lts.conf and add those parameters...
14:40
<vagrantc>
i wouldn't be surprised if serial mouse support was broken...
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14:40
<ogra>
vagrantc, it works fine here
14:40
<vagrantc>
it needs inputattach from the joystick package on debian
14:40
<itais>
if I modify by hand the xorg.conf it works perfectly
14:40
<ogra>
oh, you dont have inputattach as separate package
14:41
<itais>
but writting the parameters on lts.conf , it 's ignored
14:41
<ogra>
it uses inputattach
14:41
as soon as you use lts.conf with ttyS0
14:41
<vagrantc>
but it requires to use the inputattach protocol names rather than the X.org protocol names
14:42
<ogra>
apart from auto they are identical
14:42
<warren>
vagrantc: have you tried the X_CONF setting with our recent upstream?
14:42
after you redid the scripts
14:42
<vagrantc>
i tried after i rewrote the scripts, but not much since
14:42
<itais>
vagrantc: do you mean that I must install xserver-xorg-input-joystick to use a serial mouse, even if I add X_MOUSE_DEVICE = /dev/ttyS0 to the lts.conf file?
14:43
<ogra-ume>
itais: apt-get install joysitck in teh chroot
14:43
<vagrantc>
itais: there is a package called "joystick" that needs to be installed to use serial mice with the /dev/*input
14:43
thingy
14:43
<itais>
to get the serial mouse working? :-D it's not very intutitive
14:43
<ogra-ume>
no
14:43
thats why we fixed that in ubuntu by splitting out inputattach
14:44
we should push that to debian too
14:44
<johnny>
ogra-ume, .... si?
14:44
<ogra-ume>
saves me one merge every release cycle
14:44
<itais>
but, still, I don't understand why lts.conf is ignored. It's suppossed lts.conf would force those parameters ignoring autodetection, or I've missed something
14:44
<vagrantc>
ogra: i think y'all just split out inputattach to not have the whole of the joystick package in main
14:44
<ogra-ume>
vagrantc: and because the app doesnt belong in there
14:45
<vagrantc>
itais: the logic for serial mouse support is ... picky.
14:45
<ogra-ume>
its a serial protocol parser
14:45
johnny: ?
14:45
<johnny>
ogra-ume, i asked about your travel plans
14:45
<ogra-ume>
not done yet
14:45
i will come but didnt book yet
14:45
<johnny>
ok
14:46
<ogra-ume>
i need to sort some paper crap with my passport first ...
14:46
your wonderful country wont let me in anymore if i dont register in advance :P
14:47
but my passport doesnt match my current address ...
14:47
<johnny>
:(
14:48
<ogra-ume>
silly law change
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<ltsppbot>
"vagrantc" pasted "configure_serial_mouse function" (8 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/539
14:48
<vagrantc>
itais: that's the logic to enable serial mice ...
14:49
<ogra>
it stems from a time where we were reluctant to touch xorg.conf with sed :)
14:49
so having an app that just attacheds serial mice to the default mouse device set in the config was more convenient
14:50
<vagrantc>
i think it's more elegant, actually.
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<ogra>
well, but we rape xorg.conf with evil sed scripts anyway now
14:50
<itais>
mmm, but that avoid me testing if it works at home, where I don't have that machine with the serial mice
14:50
<ogra>
so the initial reason for it is gone
14:51
just take the mouse with you ?
14:54
<itais>
too late, I'm already at home testing with vbox in my laptop, and the clients with their mice are not with me :-/
14:54
<ogra-ume>
meh
14:55
<alkisg>
Yeah! LTSP works fine over NAT! :D
14:55
<itais>
anyway, vagrantc: this should be documented on a Debian.Readme, or in the examples of the ltsp-client package: you need to install the joystick package when using serial mice ;-)
14:55
<ogra-ume>
you should just make ltsp-client depend on it, realy
14:56
+l
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<alkisg>
vagrantc, ogra, would it be possible to transfer lts.conf in binary mode? dnsmasq had problems till the last version, virtualbox also has problems...
14:56
<ogra-ume>
vbox works fine for me here
14:56
i do most of my work in it
14:56
<alkisg>
with nat? does it transfer lts.conf?
14:56
it doesn't support ascii mode
14:56
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: with dnsmasq as your tftp server?
14:56
<ogra-ume>
with an internal network and virtual clients
14:57
no, indeed not
14:57
wih teh ubuntu defaults
14:57
<alkisg>
just a "bin\nget lts.conf" in ltsp_nbd, would it break anything?
14:57
<vagrantc>
itais: i think i avoided making it a dependency for some reason .. but i could add it as a dependency in the next upload. i just haven't been testing serial mouse support.
14:57
itais: please file a bug about it when you get a chance to test it
14:58
<itais>
vagrantc: I don't think a depedency should be done, maybe a recommends is enough
14:58
and, of course, document it, please
14:58
I'll test it next week, as now I'm far away from that server
14:58
<ogra-ume>
alkisg: rove me that openbsd-tftpd can handle it, then i have no prob to change it
14:58
*prove
14:58
errr
14:58
tftpd-hpa, sorry
14:58
<vagrantc>
itais: well, ltsp-client should depend on everything needed to have all the ltsp features. ltsp-client-core is for people who want to do weird things.
14:59
<laga>
yay for weird things.
14:59
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: tftpd-hpa works fine with binary
14:59
<itais>
another funny thing: when executing ltsp-update-image, network-manager looses the wireless connection for some seconds ;-)
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<alkisg>
ogra, ok, I'll try to find someone with openbsd because I've never installed it :)
14:59
oh, ok, sure, tftp works fine in ubuntu
14:59
(with binary mode)
14:59
<ogra-ume>
alkisg: openbsd-inetd is what debian and ubuntu use by default
14:59
i just mixed inet/tftp
14:59
<vagrantc>
and hpa and bsd
14:59
:)
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<ogra-ume>
pfft
15:00
abbreviations ...
15:00
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: at any rate, i tested a one-line patch to download the lts.conf via tftpd-hpa on debian sid, and it worked fine.
15:01
<ogra-ume>
great
15:01
<alkisg>
I've tried all the combinations, report: dnsmasq OK with everything in 2.42, dhcp3-server crashes with bootp clients, virtualbox 1.6.2 still doesn't support binary tftp. Everything else OK.
15:01
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: i'd be surprised if it didn't work in ubuntu as well
15:01
<ogra-ume>
lets add it :)
15:01
<alkisg>
(all the tests in hardy 8.04)
15:02
<ogra-ume>
wonderful
15:03
<alkisg>
...and the problems with configure-x.sh seem to be fixed in proposed, thanks
15:04
<ogra-ume>
well, there are still some left, but the pressing ones are
15:05
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: i see that you sync'ed ltspfs :)
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<ogra-ume>
yeah
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will do teh same with ldm i think
15:08
as you cn see on my nick i'm busy with other stuff again :/
15:09
my HW shrinks by 50% with every release :P
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<alkisg>
er, a mistake: "....virtualbox 1.6.2. still doesn't support *netascii* in tftp". :)
15:14
<vagrantc>
ogra-ume: i like ume plum vinegar :)
15:14
<ogra-ume>
heh
15:14
i cant eat this ume ... sadly
15:15
<vagrantc>
well, maybe you could eat it, just not digest it.
15:15
<ogra>
http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/11+
15:15
oh
15:15
http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/11
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<johnny>
alkisg, wtf is netascii vs ascii ?
15:45
<alkisg>
johnny, its in the tftp specification, meaning 8bit chars
15:46
ascii is only 7bit
15:47
<ogra>
aasscciiii is 14bit :)
15:47
<alkisg>
:D
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<vagrantc>
with the size of files we're transferring, i'd find it hard to imagine binary being slower than any ascii transfer
15:47
or really, vice-versa
15:47* ogra doesnt mind ... as long as it doesnt break
15:47
<alkisg>
irrelevant: how do we upgrade the chroot kernel to a newer version? apt-get update in the chroot?
15:47
<ogra>
yes
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<vagrantc>
or re-install ...
15:48
<ogra>
ltsp-update-kernels outside the chroot afterwards
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<alkisg>
thanks, and how to update nbd? /usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels ?
15:48
(in the chroot)
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<ogra>
if you get a new linux-image-something it will be run from the packages postinst
15:49
do that only if you want to manually update the nbi image
15:49
<alkisg>
thanks ogra
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<vagrantc>
but you'll need to run ltsp-update-image if you want to upate the nbD image
15:50
<ogra>
right
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<vagrantc>
i.e. if it installed new kernel modules and such
15:50
<ogra>
that in any case
15:50
if anything in /boot in the chroot changed you need to run it
15:50
<alkisg>
oh, I get it. But if I only change e.g. ltsp_nbd, I don't have to update image...
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<vagrantc>
well, you can usually get away with not running it ...
15:51
if it's the same kernel ABI ...
15:51
but best to update it.
15:51
<alkisg>
Thank you guys!
15:51
<ogra>
if you change ltsp_nbd which lives in the initramfs, you need to actually update the initramfs in the chroot
15:51
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and if ogra-ume sync's ldm soon, you'll have your greek translation in ubuntu :)
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<ogra>
which changes files in /boot :)
15:52
<alkisg>
Yeah!!! Greek at last! :)
15:52
<vagrantc>
we've managed to get quite the collection of languages for ldm in a short time
15:52
<ogra>
vagrantc, dont make such promises :) i'm not sure i can get it in as SRU ... meaning it will be a backport
15:52
<alkisg>
and with configure-x.sh, it'll even work with no lts.conf!!!!
15:52
<ogra>
which gets complicated with chroots
15:53
<vagrantc>
ogra: oh, i mean intrepid
15:53
<ogra>
guess i have to write a howto :/
15:53
well, hardy is the main focus for us still
15:53
<vagrantc>
well, that's probably a good thing.
15:54
<ogra>
until 8.04.1 a lot of resources go into hardy
15:54
<alkisg>
ogra, hardy is LTS, we (schools) 'll probably stick to it for some time...
15:54
<ogra>
right
15:54
<vagrantc>
i was thinking of writing a plugin to handle backports ... but you have to get into pinning messiness ... which gets tricky.
15:54
<ogra>
thats why we have this policy :)
15:54
not in ubuntu
15:54
no need for pinning
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<vagrantc>
ogra: you have per-package repositories?
15:55
<ogra>
no, but higher prio for backports than you
15:55
<vagrantc>
i miss how backports.org used to have that ... each package was it's own component, which made it really easy to be selective
15:55
<ogra>
and an upgrade tool that disables backports on upgrades
15:56
so they stay out of your way
15:56
<vagrantc>
ogra: well, it would be easy to enable all backports or disable all backports ... but one that only enables ltsp* and ldm ... that's tricky.
15:56
<ogra>
gets only hairy with security
15:56
yeah
15:56
<vagrantc>
that's why i've used a separate repository for the etch backports this whole time.
15:56
<ogra>
well, thats what PPAs are for
15:57
<vagrantc>
i should experiment with pinning, though ... it shouldn't be that difficult to get right.
15:57
<ogra>
ask Q-Funk, he makes massive use of it and the ease of use for users gets him actually testr
15:57
<vagrantc>
since the set of backported packages is pretty small.
15:57
i.e. ltsp-client, ltsp-client-core, ldm, ltspfsd ...
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<ogra>
*testers
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<alkisg>
...I see my typos after 10 minutes, I meant nbI, not nbD, at least you understood me! :D
16:21
<gbolte>
hey guys have any of you experienced an issue with ltsp 5 where monitors go to sleep and not wake up unless you unplug them from the pc and plug them back in
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<sutula>
gbolte: If you don't get an answer that more directly addresses the issue, you can probably at least change the properties of the displays with xset
16:24
I do that for a monitor that should be on all the time during the day (activity or not) and off at night
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<gbolte>
yeah I think it may be the users monitor...I have a newer samsung and she has a POS I dont know what brand
16:26
mine dosent get stuck asleep and hers dose
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kinda odd
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<sutula>
gbolte: Anyway, with xset (for her only possibly), you can keep it from ever going into power-down state, just blanking instead
16:28
<gbolte>
ah
16:29
<sutula>
You can also use xset to put it into power-down state right away, in case you want to try to figure out what's happening
16:29
...instead if waiting a long time
16:29
<gbolte>
yeah I set gnome to never power off the monitor but it didnt listen
16:29
:/
16:30
I will give it a try with xset though and see what happens
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<gbolte>
I dont suppose anyone here knows anything of pam_nam
16:36
:/
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<alkis1>
ogra,vagrantc, if you're going to modify ltsp_nbd, you may also fix a small bug in the line: tftpath=$(echo ${filename%/*}|tr -d '"') Example: filename=ltsp3.pxe (no path info) => tftpath=ltsp3.pxe instead of /
17:01
<ogra-ume>
mind to file a bug ?
17:01
<alkis1>
No problem, link? :)
17:02
<ogra>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+filebug
17:02
<alkis1>
Thanks
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<alkis1>
ogra, vagrantc, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/238010 Thanks and good night!
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<ogra>
thanks
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