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Channel log from 2 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<Pascal_1>
bonjour
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03:54
<muh2000>
damn
03:54
<Q-FUNK>
?
03:55
<muh2000>
i built an kernel (the old one did not have geode lx included)
03:55
now that thing does not boot.
03:55
i see the msg: loading vmlinzz and loading initrd.img............... Ready. <- thats it :(
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<muh2000>
is there something i have to be aware of? (except for root on NFS in kernel config...) ?
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04:19
<exodos>
muh2000: remove 'quiet' and/or 'splash' from the kernel command line and try again
04:23
<muh2000>
exodos: um where is said kernel command line?
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<laga>
morning
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04:27
<muh2000>
or do you mean the options in the default file? "append ro initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs"
04:34
<exodos>
muh2000: and thats all?
04:34
maybe you should wait a bit longer...
04:34
<muh2000>
default terminal
04:34
label terminal
04:34
kernel ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
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04:34
<muh2000>
append rw initrd=ltsp/i386/initrd.img root=/dev/nfs ip=dhcp boot=nfs
04:35
that is all
04:37
<exodos>
try again and wait ca 10 min
04:37
<muh2000>
10 minutes?
04:38
<exodos>
then you will be almost sure this is not a network problem (I had it myself)
04:38
<muh2000>
the other kernel starts to load after 10 seconds.
04:38
ok
04:40
at least i think i have all the important drivers in the kernel
04:42
<exodos>
but you should be able to see some kernel messages even without drivers
04:42
<muh2000>
is it a good or a bad sign when i cannot switch on/off the LED on my keyboard for num lock? or is it normal at that early state (usb keyboard)
04:43
<exodos>
i'm not expert but with usb this can be normal
04:44
why did you compile this kernel by yourself?
04:44
i'm able to use debian/ubuntu one with geode
04:44
<muh2000>
exodos: x server is having problems with my vga so i figured i could make a proper kernel -> old kernel lacked of vga for my geode board
04:45
also sound wasn detected.
04:45
with the old one
04:46
i wanted to fix those things before i go further with messing around an unstable x etc.
04:47
<exodos>
video drivers for X are part of xserver, not the kernel
04:48
in kernel you can have some framebuffer for geode, if you need one
04:48
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051
04:48
<ogra_cmpc_>
and for neither you should recompile the kernel
04:48
<exodos>
check this link, its about video problem with geode on LTSP
04:48
<ogra_cmpc_>
its all managed by modules through the initramfs
04:49
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: the only kernel that likes to boot on my machine is the one that has no "modules" folder at all.....
04:49
<ogra_cmpc_>
??
04:49
a selfcompiled one ?
04:50
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: not that i know of
04:50
<ogra_cmpc_>
it wouldnt boot if there were no modules
04:52
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: you can visit me if you want to :)
04:53
exodos: so i waited 14 minutes now. still stalling right after downloading the kernel/initrd
04:56
<exodos>
muh2000: most probably your kenrel is missing some important piece
04:57
<muh2000>
exodos: and what about that kernel that was provided by ltsp that does not want to boot too?
04:58
<ogra_cmpc_>
define "does not want to boot" ... you dont even get a console and it locks up hard even with SCREEN_02=shell set in lts.conf ?
04:59
where does it break exactly with the shipped kernel
04:59
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: definition: same error with the kernel i built myself: sops after downloading kernel/initrd and saying "ready"
05:00
<ogra_cmpc_>
how much ram does the device have ?
05:00
<muh2000>
256mbyte
05:00
<ogra_cmpc_>
thats plenty
05:00
<muh2000>
the only kernel that boots is the one without an /lib/modules/versionnumber dir
05:01
<ogra_cmpc_>
where did you get that from ?
05:01
<muh2000>
debian probably
05:01
(apt-get...)
05:01
<ogra_cmpc_>
probably ??
05:02
which package ?
05:02
<muh2000>
i cannot remember building ltsp-build-client from tgz so it has to be from debian
05:02
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: do you plan another ltsp upload before hardy?
05:02
<ogra_cmpc_>
indeed i do
05:03
<muh2000>
i am looking for my digicam damn.
05:03
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: great, got a small patch for my plugin. i'll make a ticket later :)
05:03
<ogra_cmpc_>
good
05:03
assign it directly to me so i dont forget
05:03
<laga>
yup
05:04
<ogra_cmpc_>
muh2000, you said you got it by apt-get ... that made me assume you installed it additionally
05:04* vagrantc notes that SCREEN_01-SCREEN_06 are used by getty on debian
05:04
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: i am sorry for the confusion. apt-get the ltsp package and ltsp-build-client for the rest -> that is where the kernel comes form i guess.
05:05
<vagrantc>
though maybe i'll fix that next upload.
05:05
!versions
05:05
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "versions" is not a valid command.
05:05
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
05:05
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', (1 more message)
05:06
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values *version*
05:06
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp42', 'ltsp5', 'ubuntu', and 'ver'
05:06
<vagrantc>
!ver
05:06
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
05:06
<ogra_cmpc_>
vagrantc, that shouldnt matter (at least it used to work on ubuntu in pre upstart times even on these consoles)
05:07
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: in my experience on debian you get really bizarre behavior because you simultaneously have a getty and a shell running on the same input/output.
05:08
ogra_cmpc_: so i would definitely discourage it on debina.
05:08
<muh2000>
vagrantc: SCREEN_01 in the lts.conf ?
05:08
<vagrantc>
debian.
05:08
muh2000: yes. do not use SCREEN_01-SCREEN_06
05:08
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, on ubuntu tty1 is neede by upstart
05:09
<vagrantc>
muh2000: this is debian, yes?
05:09
<ogra_cmpc_>
scott wrote some remapping code for that iirc
05:09
probably we can re use that for the others
05:09
<muh2000>
vagrantc: um ok, but without screen_01 my monitor stays BLACK
05:09
vagrantc: yes debian
05:09
<vagrantc>
muh2000: could you get the version info?
05:09
!ver
05:09
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ver" is to get version info on debian/ubuntu (please use the pastebot): COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
05:10
<muh2000>
erm what is the cmd and what not?
05:10
<vagrantc>
^^
05:10
<muh2000>
ver -> not found
05:11
this? COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}' ; COLUMNS=200 dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l 'ltsp*' ldm | awk '/^ii/{print $2 $3}'
05:11
<vagrantc>
yes.
05:11
please paste to the pastebot:
05:11
!pastebot
05:11
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
05:11
<muh2000>
http://nopaste.org/p/aCSrZVshrb
05:12
<vagrantc>
ok, so that all looks current.
05:13
muh2000: so, when it boots, you get a black screen, or you see the kernel messages and then a black screen ?
05:13
<muh2000>
vagrantc: when it tries to start the x stuff (i see all the kernel msgs then black)
05:13
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ok...
05:15
muh2000: so, if you set CONFIGURE_X=False and SCREEN_07=shell ... do you get to a login prompt?
05:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
you siad it stops with "ready" before loading initramfs 10mins ago
05:15
<vagrantc>
muh2000: in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
05:15
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: depends which kernel i use.
05:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, i asked for the shipped one
05:16
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: one of the shiped stops with said msg.
05:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
<muh2000> ogra_cmpc_: definition: same error with the kernel i built myself: sops after downloading kernel/initrd and saying "ready"
05:16
<muh2000>
one of the shipt boots
05:16
<vagrantc>
muh2000: what manual modifications have you made ?
05:17
<muh2000>
image of kernel without modules booting: http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=imag00343c6.jpg
05:17
ogra_cmpc_: and not before, AFTER initrd gets loaded from the network.
05:17
<vagrantc>
oh, looks like you've defined a SCREEN_01
05:18
<ogra_cmpc_>
what else do you have in your lts.conf ?
05:18
<muh2000>
vagrantc: when i remove the screen line all i see is a black screen
05:18
<vagrantc>
muh2000: so, if you set CONFIGURE_X=False and SCREEN_07=shell ... do you get to a login prompt?
05:18* ogra_cmpc_ thinks muh2000 should start with a fresh chroot without all the fiddlings and selfcompiled bits
05:18
<vagrantc>
muh2000: and please paste your lts.conf file to pastebot.ltsp.org
05:19
<ogra_cmpc_>
its hard to debug something in that state
05:20
<laga>
grrr. sudo!! i was setting LTSP_HANDLE_DAEMONS to be able to upgrade my chroot.. to bad sudo stripped that variable.
05:21
<muh2000>
vagrantc: i see a normal login screen. it i like a normal boot up. i see the old msgs and the login under that
05:21
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ok.
05:21
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: i could do that. but it is new and the kernel is the only selfcompiled thing
05:21
<vagrantc>
laga: that's where my new ltsp-chroot script comes in handy :)
05:22
<ogra_cmpc_>
laga, sudo -E
05:22
(preserves the env)
05:22
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: i dont need sudo inside the chroot anyways :)
05:22
yeah, thanks
05:22
<muh2000>
http://nopaste.org/p/alxF9cn1A
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: it seems like you've edited lts.conf, you've added a root password, and installed a kernel? is that absolutely everything you've changed?
05:22
muh2000: how did you install the kernel? it's not part of etch.
05:23* gvy is back (gone 17:03:40)
05:23
<muh2000>
vagrantc: i connot think at more of what i could have changed - but i can do a new install - i have tha bandwidth and the time.
05:24
<vagrantc>
muh2000: it might be good to start with something fresh.
05:24
<muh2000>
vagrantc: the kernel: downloaded kernel sources, made nfs rw,(on ltsp client) booted the kernel i could boot - loged in with root and started to make my kernel as usual
05:25
hm ok
05:25
<vagrantc>
muh2000: basically, it seems likely that X.org isn't autoconfiguring your video card.
05:25
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: is hal installed in your regular ltsp chroots?
05:25
<ogra_cmpc_>
nope
05:25
<laga>
ok.
05:25
<ogra_cmpc_>
intrepid :)
05:25
<vagrantc>
muh2000: i wouldn't recommend using rw NFS like that...
05:25* laga finds someone else to complain to
05:25
<vagrantc>
muh2000: i'd just use chroot on the server to do weird and crazy things.
05:26
<muh2000>
vagrantc: chroot on server => hw information of server.
05:26
<ogra_cmpc_>
for what does that matter if you compile ?
05:26
<vagrantc>
muh2000: every single kernel i've used for the last 5 years was built on a debian machine with totally different hardware than i used it on.
05:26
muh2000: that works fine. :)
05:27
<muh2000>
i never crosscompiled/dont know how to do it, server is 64/32 bit client 32
05:27
<vagrantc>
ah.
05:27
that's a little different.
05:27
<ogra_cmpc_>
not really
05:27
<muh2000>
(and it took the geode 5 hours to build ^^)
05:27
<exodos>
do anyone know if issue from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-amd/+bug/140051 was fixed in etch?
05:27* gvy . o O ( 13:25 in the morning, time to start working )
05:27
<ogra_cmpc_>
exodos, very unlikely
05:27
<gvy>
hi! :)
05:28
<ogra_cmpc_>
exodos, it was fixed in sid yesterday i heard (at least the xserver-xorg bits that are needed for teh driver fix)
05:28
it is fixed in ubuntu hardy
05:29
<exodos>
ogra_cmpc_: hardy its working for me with custom xorg.conf
05:29
<muh2000>
--arch would be the proper cmd for crosscompile?
05:30
<vagrantc>
almost certainly not fixed in etch, as it wasn't reported till late 2007, and etch was released in early 2007 (and frozen since late 2006)
05:30
<exodos>
muh2000: maybe try hardy then?
05:30
<muh2000>
exodos: for the ltsp chroot?
05:30
<ogra_cmpc_>
the chroot is 32bit, it will use compiler and libc it finds in the chroot ... your host kernel shouldnt matter at all
05:30
<exodos>
muh2000: yes
05:31
i coulnt get my geode to work with LTSP before fixing mentioned issue
05:32
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, you could have used it as telnet terminal :)
05:32
<exodos>
you can either use hardy where its fixed or try to compile newest xserver by yourself (much harder)
05:32
:D
05:32
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: when i do make menuconfig it makes a conf for a x64 kernel...
05:33
<vagrantc>
muh2000: you did build it with --arch i386, i'm guessing? because the default is amd64 on an amd64 system.
05:33
<ogra_cmpc_>
you have a config in /boot in the chroot, copy that in place and work off these defaults
05:33
<muh2000>
vagrantc: built what?
05:33
<ogra_cmpc_>
vagrantc, well, that would explain why it doesnt boot :)
05:33
heh
05:33
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ltsp-build-client --foo
05:34* ogra_cmpc_ didnt think of that
05:34
<vagrantc>
but if it gets all the way to a login prompt...
05:34
<muh2000>
ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist etch
05:34
<laga>
on my boxes, i get a error by the kernel when i boot amd64 on i386
05:34
<vagrantc>
muh2000: --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org ..." ??
05:34
<ogra_cmpc_>
laga, ubuntu kernels are totally different
05:34
<muh2000>
and since there is no amd64 dir under /opt/ltsp/.
05:35
vagrantc: one of the cmds had that yes
05:35
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ok. just checking if you installed etch, and then upgraded the chroot manually, or pulled in the backports at install time.
05:35
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: ah, so that's something added by ubuntu
05:36
<ogra_cmpc_>
i assume so, i havent seen that message on other OSes yet
05:37
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: when i copy the conf file it still will change the conf to a x64 system
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05:37
<ogra_cmpc_>
it wont change files if you dont change them
05:37
if the config defines a 32bit kernel, the compiler will build that
05:38
anyway, there is really no reason to compile kernels
05:38
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: but make menuconfig is switching.
05:38
<ogra_cmpc_>
if you load the config from a file ?
05:39
that would be something to file a bug about
05:39
it surely doesnt do so here
05:40
<muh2000>
i copied the conf file from /boot(chroot) and hit "make menuconfig" ----> processor type ---> x64
05:40
<ogra_cmpc_>
you used menuconfig to copy the file on place as documented ?
05:40
s/on/in
05:41
<muh2000>
menuconfig can copy files?
05:41
copied per hand
05:41
<ogra_cmpc_>
it wont read it if you copy it manually
05:41
read up on kernel configuration :)
05:42
vagrantc, i'm so tempted to grab your ldm from sid ... (and reroll the tarball for a proper version ) ....
05:42
<muh2000>
from what i get it reads a bit and also generates it.
05:43
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: for hardy?
05:43
<ogra_cmpc_>
yeah
05:43
you got so many good bits
05:44
<vagrantc>
well thanks :)
05:44
always happy to see a diff.
05:44
<ogra_cmpc_>
makes me greey
05:44
*greedy
05:44
<vagrantc>
er, see a smaller diff.
05:44* muh2000 is installing from scratch (not lfs)
05:44
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, i still have the themes in my debian dir
05:44
and the different version
05:45
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: i'm tempted to do a new upload with the translations though. but i'mw aiting on getting ldm sid -> lenny migration
05:45
ogra_cmpc_: you can actually pull new upstream versions this late in the cycle?
05:46
sid -> lenny migration is stalled out by the hppa buildd ...
05:46
<ogra_cmpc_>
if i find it necessary and consider it stable
05:46
i just pinged lamont :)
05:46
but he might be asleep
05:46
(colorado)
05:47
<vagrantc>
it's only 4:45am. lamont's an early riser.
05:47
<ogra_cmpc_>
not sure how much influence he has in debian still
05:47
<vagrantc>
well, even a DD with an hppa machine could do a binary-only upload for hppa ...
05:47
<ogra_cmpc_>
but asking wont do harm :)
05:48
<vagrantc>
chances are, ldm will never be used on hppa in anything more than a theoretical sense, no?
05:48
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, he is/was the hppa buildd admin ... he can just put it to the top of the queue
05:49
yeah, i think hppa clients are pretty rare
05:49
<vagrantc>
definitely makes me reconsider dropping support for most architectures ...
05:49
<ogra_cmpc_>
even though there might be old hppa workstations
05:49
<muh2000>
hmm why is it downloading from ://http.us.debian.org etch/main when --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" was set?
05:49
<vagrantc>
muh2000: because that's the --extra-mirror
05:49
<muh2000>
ok ^^
05:50
<vagrantc>
muh2000: extra, as in additional.
05:50
<ogra_cmpc_>
it only pulls whats newer from the extra mirror
05:50
<muh2000>
ah ok.
05:50
<vagrantc>
the pkg-ltsp mirror only contains ltsp related stuff
05:50
<muh2000>
is it possible to change the main mirror? us server are a bit slow to elsewhere in the world ^^
05:51
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ltsp-build-client --extra-help
05:51
<muh2000>
ok
05:51
<vagrantc>
muh2000: and you'll see the --mirror option
05:52
<muh2000>
ok
05:52* ogra_cmpc_ runs apt-proxy on his test machines and just points --mirror to localhost:9999 usually
05:52
<ogra_cmpc_>
helps a lot if you rebuild stuff often
05:53
<muh2000>
something i wanted to ask on an already discussed topic but i forgot :/
05:54
downloaded.
05:55
and the thin client does not boot the kernel :(
05:55
loading (kernel/initrd....) ----> Ready. and nothing starts up
05:57
<vagrantc>
muh2000: you remembered to use --arch i386 ?
05:57
<muh2000>
yes
05:57
that was my cmd: ltsp-build-client --arch i386 --dist etch --extra-mirror "http://pkg-ltsp.alioth.debian.org/debian etch-ltsp-backports main" --apt-key /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
05:58
<vagrantc>
muh2000: is this the same problem you had before?
05:58
i.e. why you built a custom kernel?
05:58
<muh2000>
vagrantc: yes
05:58
(well the custom kernel didnt boot either...)
05:58
<vagrantc>
hrm.
05:58
<muh2000>
only the kernel without the modules was able to boot.
05:59
<vagrantc>
most strange.
06:00
wahoo. ldm in basque :)
06:01
<muh2000>
but moving the modules away does not reproduce that behaviour ^^
06:03
<ogra_cmpc_>
muh2000, how about adding SCREEN_07=shell and CONFIGURE_X=False to an lts.conf ?
06:03
do you get to a shell then ?
06:04
(since we know alread that amd will hardlock on configuration attempts, trying to boot into X is moot)
06:04
<vagrantc>
well, debian doesn't quiet the default boot
06:05
so there should be *something* almost immediately
06:05
<ogra_cmpc_>
what frambuffer drivers do you load by default ?
06:05
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: it is not about the shell right now. it is about being able to boot that kernel!
06:05
<ogra_cmpc_>
muh2000, right, but excluding known issues from the list helps
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06:06
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: this seems like it's even before getting to the initrd, though...
06:06
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: how can you exclude something that isnt even included yet?
06:06
<ogra_cmpc_>
vagrantc, i know we blacklist a ton of framebuffer stuff by default in ubuntu
06:06
which debian might be using (most of them break suspend)
06:08
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: but that doesn't even come into play until the initramfs is loaded, does it
06:08
?
06:08
<ogra_cmpc_>
its the first thing the initramfs does
06:08
<Q-FUNK>
worst comes, my own LX kerel could be used
06:08
<ogra_cmpc_>
(in ubuntu at least, since we need it for usplash)
06:08
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: yes, and we should see *something* before the initramfs is even loaded, at least on a typical debian ltsp install.
06:09
<ogra_cmpc_>
to me it smells like it loads the framebuffer driver and chokes on that
06:09
<muh2000>
the standard frame buffer or the geode framebuffer?
06:09
<ogra_cmpc_>
no idea what debian uses
06:10
<Q-FUNK>
http://q-funk.iki.fi/debian/pool/l/linux-image-2.6.24/
06:10
<ogra_cmpc_>
i would blacklist them all
06:10
<muh2000>
i think the provided kernels dont even have geode lx on
06:10
<Q-FUNK>
this one has the geode frame buffers built-in
06:10
<ogra_cmpc_>
and go without framebuffer completely
06:11
i mean, what do you gain apart from the possibility to use a bootsplash
06:11* vagrantc wants to set up an LTSP development lab
06:12
<muh2000>
as long as i can boot a kernel again and hopefully x, i dont care what i shows at boottime
06:13
so i tried it with loading a config file and STILL it changes the prozessor family to a 64bit thing.
06:13
<vagrantc>
?!
06:13
<exodos>
muh2000: are you sure you're using correct architecture? ie. what does the `file vmlinuz-version` return?
06:13
<vagrantc>
muh2000: what changes the processor family?
06:13
<muh2000>
make menuconfig -> load config.
06:13
<vagrantc>
ah.
06:13
<muh2000>
vagrantc: the make menuconfig
06:14
<ltsppbot>
"ogra" pasted "framebuffer blacklisting on ubuntu" (29 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/493
06:14
<muh2000>
vmlinuz-version: ERROR: cannot open `vmlinuz-version' (No such file or directory)
06:14
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: there any bootprompt options that can mimic that?
06:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
no idea
06:15
i ususally dont have to touch that
06:15
<vagrantc>
muh2000: file /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz
06:15
<muh2000>
exodos: i am chrooted in a different arch. someone said it should be possible to compile a geode kernel under the other arch.
06:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
i can give you various break options for the initramfs :)
06:15
<vagrantc>
i really don't think we're even getting to the initramfs
06:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, the usual suspects then
06:16
<vagrantc>
muh2000: dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l linux-image-* | egrep ^ii
06:16
<muh2000>
/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486: Linux kernel x86 boot executable RO-rootFS, swap_dev 0x1, Normal VGA
06:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
acpi, nolapic etc etc
06:16
<vagrantc>
muh2000: please paste that to pastebot.ltsp.org
06:17
<muh2000>
http://nopaste.org/p/a7ylGq8Gcb
06:17
<ltsppbot>
"muh2000" pasted "dpkg --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 -l" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/494
06:17
<muh2000>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/494
06:17
<vagrantc>
muh2000: no need to tell us the URL when using pastebot.ltsp.org :)
06:17
<muh2000>
sry i didnt knew that :)
06:18
<vagrantc>
does the geode work with the -486 kernel?
06:18
<ogra_cmpc_>
looks like two metapackages and an actual kernel
06:19
it should ...
06:19
<vagrantc>
geode proc ?
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06:19* vagrantc isn't used to all this new technology
06:19
<muh2000>
vmlinuz -> vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-486
06:19
<ogra_cmpc_>
i use even -generic (686 compiled) in hardy and apprently geode works there
06:19
<muh2000>
only one kernel installed
06:19
<exodos>
geode is i585 compatible
06:20
<ogra_cmpc_>
but 2.6.18 is indeed quite old ...
06:20
<vagrantc>
muh2000: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install linux-image-686 ; ltsp-update-kernels
06:20
<ogra_cmpc_>
dont you have something newer for etch ?
06:21
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: are you asking a rhetorical question, or do you not know how debian works? :P
06:21
<muh2000>
ogra_cmpc_: i could install the other kernel i made for the system before.
06:21
<ogra_cmpc_>
vagrantc, well, i dont know about what gets backported nowadays :)
06:21
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: ah, ok. there are newer backports, but i haven't actually tried them...
06:21
<ogra_cmpc_>
in my debian times there was always someone backporting a newer kernel
06:22
<vagrantc>
and there's supposedly etch+1/2 with a newer kernel ...
06:22
<muh2000>
the word new does not exist in the debian environment
06:22
<ogra_cmpc_>
(luckily something ubuntu users dont seem to think about)
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: are you trying with the 686 kernel?
06:23
<muh2000>
still downloading
06:23
mirror is slow
06:23
<vagrantc>
ok.
06:23
<ogra_cmpc_>
but 486 should work as well
06:23
<muh2000>
installed
06:23
<ogra_cmpc_>
its rather more compatible than less
06:23
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: it'd be nice to have a way to disable the init script filtering in ltsp-build-client. maybe for intrepid :)
06:23
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: maybe 686 has some different compile-time options ... it's kind of a shot in the dark.
06:24
laga: it exists
06:24
<laga>
oh! tell me! :)
06:24* vagrantc forgets how exactly...
06:24
<ogra_cmpc_>
laga, you can just unset the vars that list the initscripts
06:24
<muh2000>
darkness is shooting back :(
06:24
same issue with 686
06:24
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: then it'll blacklist everything?
06:24
let's see
06:24
<vagrantc>
muh2000: failing that, could try a kernel from backports.org ...
06:24
<ogra_cmpc_>
laga, no, then it wont touch anything
06:25
oh, wait
06:25
it works the other way round
06:25
hrm
06:25
<exodos>
muh2000: maybe try etch then
06:25
<muh2000>
exodos: it is etch
06:25
<exodos>
muh2000: hardy i meanty
06:25
<muh2000>
exodos: but can ltsp build client a different distribution ?
06:25
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: if [ -n "$RC2_WHITELIST" ]; then
06:25
rc_cleanup 2 $RC2_WHITELIST
06:26
<ogra_cmpc_>
right
06:26
<vagrantc>
laga: RC2_WHITELIST=" "
06:26
<laga>
great.
06:26
<vagrantc>
:)
06:26
a little uglier than unsetting ...
06:26
er ...
06:27
<laga>
that'll solve a lot of problems. and make booting slower.
06:27
yay. :)
06:27
<ogra_cmpc_>
you like slow booting eh ?
06:27
these media center guys
06:27* ogra_cmpc_ shakes head
06:27
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: i like working stuff :)
06:27
<ogra_cmpc_>
:)
06:27
<exodos>
muh2000: i belive you will have to install hardy on separate partition
06:27
<laga>
as for slow booting, that's something that can be optimized in hardy.. hopefully once upstart gets used :)
06:28
<ogra_cmpc_>
upstart gets used when hurd releases :P
06:28
i dont see it happen yet
06:29
even though with fedora switrching to it there are far more contributors
06:29
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: it's got that it got written than
06:29
s/got/good/
06:29
<muh2000>
does backport even have something up to date?
06:29
or is linux-image-2.6.18-6 the only good thing they have?
06:30
<ogra_cmpc_>
does anything in debian apart from sid have something up to date ?
06:30
<muh2000>
:D
06:30
<ogra_cmpc_>
thats the spirit of debian ... more stable but outdated
06:30
(and its curse)
06:30
<vagrantc>
muh2000: backports.org has linux-imae-2.6.22-*
06:31
<muh2000>
yeah i know.. but something new than fossilized should be available
06:31
<laga>
OTOH, i still wonder how you can do LTS with only one month between beta and release
06:31
<muh2000>
vagrantc: where? i added backports sources but no 2.6.22
06:31
<exodos>
hmmm, there is no xserver-xorg-video-amd for etch, only for lenny and sid
06:31
<ogra_cmpc_>
laga, in not letting in the weird crap ... only the slightly weird crap
06:31
<laga>
ogra_cmpc_: still scary :)
06:32
<exodos>
was it included in different package or is it just unavaliable?
06:32
<ogra_cmpc_>
unlike in dapper we knew in advance about the LTS and its nature, so there were plans this time
06:32
<vagrantc>
muh2000: deb http://backports.org/debian etch-backports main
06:32
<muh2000>
someone said x was fixed in sid earlier this day ?
06:32
<ogra_cmpc_>
muh2000, the core, i dont know about the dirver
06:33
<muh2000>
hmmmm
06:33
<ogra_cmpc_>
the maintainer was resistant for quite a while to apply the patches at all
06:33
<muh2000>
:(
06:34
<exodos>
muh2000: go for hardy - works for me :)
06:34
<muh2000>
exodos: cannot change the host
06:35
wow the 2.6.22-4 boots
06:38
now who was it again that said amd geode vga works under debian etch?
06:39
<ogra_cmpc_>
did someone say that ?
06:39
<muh2000>
yes
06:39
<ogra_cmpc_>
wasnt me :)
06:41
<muh2000>
daduke: said it ^^
06:43
<ogra_cmpc_>
probably with recompiling Q-FUNK's ubuntu packages or so
06:43
<muh2000>
<daduke> Q-FUNK: I'm on etch and use the alix1c.
06:46
<Q-FUNK>
hm?
06:47
here, I use the above kernel package with lxfb and -amd 2.7.7.7
06:48
<muh2000>
Q-FUNK: sry i only was quoting daduke
06:48
Q-FUNK: what is amd 2.7.7.7 ? the geode lx driver for X ?
06:48
<Q-FUNK>
yup
06:49
xserver-xorg-video-amd
06:49
which will soon be replaced with xserver-xorg-video-geode
06:49
<ogra_cmpc_>
yay
06:49
<Q-FUNK>
ogra_cmpc_: it's released now, btw
06:49
<muh2000>
Q-FUNK: soon as in soon or soon as in debian-soon ?
06:49
<ogra_cmpc_>
finally bryce wont answer me about ati anymore if i ask for amd :)
06:49
<Q-FUNK>
I'll package it tonight, upload to debian and request a sync for hardy. can you support the UVF?
06:50
<ogra_cmpc_>
geode is so much better to distinguish
06:50
<Q-FUNK>
yes indeed and we wanted to change it for a long time
06:50
it's done now
06:52
<muh2000>
so when will i be able to download that new xserver under debian? tomorrow? (only in the ubuntu or also debian sid? )
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<Q-FUNK>
tomorrow night, probably
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06:53
<Q-FUNK>
for now, amd 2.7.7.7 is already there
06:53
<ogra_cmpc_>
Q-FUNK, sure, ping and subscribe me
06:53
i'll taklto bryce, we had a chat about that during our 6am meeting already today
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra_cmpc_: lovely. thanks!
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<Q-FUNK>
yeah, bryce already knew about it and asked me to keep mpitt and tjaalton in the loop
06:55
<muh2000>
wait, so the new amd-geode-lx-driver is already in debian-sid? but it needs the new xserver-xorg-core to work?
06:55
<ogra_cmpc_>
Q-FUNK, thats perfect, pitti is the guy you need for UVF
06:56
muh2000, right
06:56
<muh2000>
ok
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<muh2000>
then i guess i have to wait ^^
06:57
<Q-FUNK>
muh2000: on platforms with broken bioses, the X driver fails to run or downright freezes the system
06:57
http://wiki.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver#preview
06:57
<muh2000>
Q-FUNK: the geode bios is broken?
07:02
<Q-FUNK>
muh2000: many companies ship their product with a broken bios, unfortunately.
07:02
also, recent changes in X core exposed some of those bugs
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<muh2000>
Q-FUNK: broken as in not written right?
07:04
<Q-FUNK>
as in coded without fallbacks for misbehaved X implementations
07:04
<muh2000>
ok
07:05
cat soundfile > /dev/dsp usually play back the file. how do i do that on a client?
07:05
<ogra_cmpc_>
<lamont> I run the debian buildds for hppa. I have the ability to drag something into "next up" status
07:06
<lamont> but I'm not planning to shuffle any build priorities
07:06
vagrantc, ^^^^
07:06
:/
07:06
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: not surprising
07:06
ogra_cmpc_: h0lger is suggesting that i request the removal of all architectures we basically don't want to support anymore.
07:06
<ogra_cmpc_>
he's just setting up two additional machines to speed up at least
07:07
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: oh, that could make a huge difference
07:07
<ogra_cmpc_>
keep ppc and x86/64 :)
07:07
and probably arm
07:08
<vagrantc>
i see alpha, amd64, arm*, i386, mips (mipsel), powerpc and sparc as maybe worth keeping.
07:08
although i'd also consider just amd64, arm, i386 and powerpc
07:08* ogra_cmpc_ doresnt really see a need for mips
07:08
<vagrantc>
er, arm*
07:09
ogra_cmpc_: well, i went through all the trouble of adding network boot support for mips ... :)
07:09
<ogra_cmpc_>
yeah, that sounds like a useful list
07:10
<vagrantc>
the shortest list i'd probably consider is amd64, arm, armel, i386 and powerpc ... some of the others seem largely academic to keep...
07:11
and in the process, basically stop getting uploads for hurd-i386, kfreebsd-*, etc. :)
07:11
<muh2000>
pulse audio working with etch?
07:11
<vagrantc>
although i might actually try and get kfreebsd-i386 working, if i'm stupid enough to try.
07:11
muh2000: mixed results.
07:12
muh2000: some applications work fine, some don't.
07:12
muh2000: shouldnt' be any worse than with esd
07:12
<muh2000>
aplay say resource is hoged
07:12
<vagrantc>
and for the most part, it's been better
07:12
<ogra_cmpc_>
vagrantc, doesnt etch have the alsa plugins ?
07:12
<muh2000>
hmm lts.conf must not contain sound settings information?
07:12
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: i've used it with etch backports, and like i said, i get mixed results.
07:13
<ogra_cmpc_>
you should be able to set up pulse/alsa emu with that
07:13
ah
07:13
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: ltsp backports, not alsa/pulse backports
07:13
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, esd is a pain
07:14
probably worth to dig up a backport from someone for libasound2-plugins :)
07:14
<vagrantc>
there were some apps that worked with esd but not the alsa+pulse in that setup. since client-side, it supports both, at least you can get that far.
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07:14
<ogra_cmpc_>
(but i guess that forces an update of the whole alsa stack as well)
07:14
vagrantc, do you have the pulse esd compatibility plugin enabled ?
07:15
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: i think so
07:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
oh
07:15
<muh2000>
now i am confused totaly
07:15
<vagrantc>
client-side
07:15
<ogra_cmpc_>
well, that should actually just redirect to pulse which then redirects to alsa
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: basically, there's lots of things, some of which work, and some of which don't. experimenting with it is the only way to tell.
07:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
or using ubuntu :P
07:16
<muh2000>
ok
07:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
where it just works
07:16
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: server-side, or client-side ?
07:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
client side
07:16
its called in the ltsp-cleint-core initscript iirc
07:16
<muh2000>
before i had the geode computer i used an old computer with ltsp-lenny -> pulse audio worked for most applications that i need.
07:16
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc_: it definitely runs on the esd port with pulseaudio-esound-compat installed...
07:16
<ogra_cmpc_>
yeah
07:17
and we still export ESPEAKER in ldm
07:17
<vagrantc>
right
07:17
<muh2000>
what kind of programs do i need on the chroot for sound?
07:17
<ogra_cmpc_>
so it should automatically redirect esd apps to that
07:17
<vagrantc>
muh2000: they're all there.
07:17
<muh2000>
ok
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: if you figure out that you need something more, please file a bug report.
07:17
<muh2000>
vagrantc: do i have to configure stuff in the lts.conf?
07:18
<vagrantc>
muh2000: only if it doesn't detect your sound card.
07:18
<muh2000>
vagrantc: hmmm the module is loaded for the soundcard. but aplay says dev or resource is busy
07:19
<vagrantc>
muh2000: sorry, i can't help any further...
07:19
i haven't used sound support extensively, just very basic testing.
07:20
<ogra_cmpc_>
for alsa support you need libasound2-plugins on the server and a proper asounrdrc for the user
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<ogra_cmpc_>
(not sure debian uses the xsession script we have in ubuntu to set that up)
07:20
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ah, yes. ... do you have ltsp-server-standalone installed ?
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<vagrantc>
muh2000: oh yes, have you followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound ?
07:21
<muh2000>
vagrantc: ltsp-build-client but standalone dunno
07:21
vagrantc: yes on my old ltsp setup i did the asound.conf thing with pulse...
07:22
<vagrantc>
muh2000: ok, well, that explains everything i know on the matter.
07:22
<muh2000>
ok
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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08:13
<daduke>
muh2000: sorry, meeting again ;) yep, we use alix1c geode amd under etch.
08:14
<muh2000>
np :)
08:14
what exactly did you do to make it work?
08:16
<Q-FUNK>
(16:12:14) jcristau: Q-FUNK: xorg-server 2:1.4.1~git20080131-3 (in incoming) should have the patches you wanted
08:16
so debian is taken care of too, now
08:16
<daduke>
muh2000: basically I just copied said amd_drv.so (which might be a backport, I really don't remember) and have configure-x.sh create an xorg.conf
08:17
<muh2000>
daduke: ok
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<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: if i uploaded to experimental, would that still be acceptible?
08:51
ogra_cmpc: i'm thinking about doing that, to still give ldm in unstable a change to migrate into testing, while still getting the upload out of the way.
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<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc, well, i would have to repack the tarball anyway
08:51
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: well, i'm thinking acceptible for you to steal.
08:51
ogra_cmpc: ah, because of the different version?
08:52
<ogra_cmpc>
whats your upstream version in the tarball ?
08:52
<muh2000>
hmmm ltsp build client sid brakes :/
08:52
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: i'm thinking the next one will be 2.0.1
08:52
<ogra_cmpc>
see
08:52
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: and for the debian revision, of course, 2:2.0.1
08:52
<ogra_cmpc>
i have a 5.0.x
08:52
<vagrantc>
i know
08:52
<muh2000>
E: ugly line 1 in sourcelist... /etc/apt/sources.list („URI parse“)
08:52
<ogra_cmpc>
no way without re rolling
08:53
<Q-FUNK>
ok, -geode packages ready on debian mentors
08:53
awaiting sponsor, then sync to hardy
08:53
<ogra_cmpc>
yay
08:53
<Q-FUNK>
http://mentors.workaround.org/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.8.0-1.dsc
08:53
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: well, you could just accept the epoch :)
08:53
<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc, four weeks before release ?
08:53
hmm
08:53* Gadi pats Q-FUNK on back and passes him beer
08:54
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: well, i'm kind of surprised you're even uploading a new tarball on that schedule.
08:54
<ogra_cmpc>
i didnt yet :P
08:54
<Q-FUNK>
oh, ukranian beer! :)
08:54
cheers! :D
08:54
<ogra_cmpc>
and that would indeed have to be discussed with our RM first
08:55
i havent looked at the amount of patches i need yet
08:55
i need to compare but need time for that
08:55
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: have you patched "-ac" ?
08:55
<ogra_cmpc>
nope, which means i have to touch it in any case
08:56
i also have a themeing bug i still need to solve
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<muh2000>
Q-FUNK: when will xorg-geode available on apt-get?
09:57
<Q-FUNK>
muh2000: it takes a few days to process, as it's a new packages
09:57
<muh2000>
ok
09:58
<vagrantc>
muh2000: you could try and snag it from incoming.debian.org if it is still there
09:58
oh, wait... new doesn't go there
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10:02
<sutula>
vagrantc: I think there's no way someone can grab it from Debian proper before the review is done (because of the copyright concerns)
10:03
<muh2000>
^^
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<vagrantc>
sutula: right.
10:04
sutula: hence "new doesn't go there"
10:04
:)
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<yopla>
hello, as promised i've sent patch in dev list to custumize greeter : a message under the logo and possibilty to hide Halt button.
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<likuidkewl>
Afternoon all, can anyone give any suggestions Thinclients for LTSP5 which will be running on Ubuntu 8.04?
11:50
<cliebow>
well..disklessworksations supports ltsp ..in spades..and we all count on Gadi who is a principal in symbiont..there are others here as well
11:53
<likuidkewl>
Right I knew about Diskless WS as we have 3 boxes from them. I was looking for others that also work well.
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<cliebow>
likuidkewl, all i have here i dumpster-dive for..cant help there myself
11:55
<likuidkewl>
No prolems thanks for the input though
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<Pascal_1>
bonsoir
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13:40* warren tries PXE 1000 for the first time in 2 months...
13:40
<warren>
it is soooo slow...
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<warren>
Good News: PXE 1000 on Fedora displays native resolution of 1680x1050.
13:56
Bad News: PXE 1000 on Fedora displays native resolution of 1680x1050.
13:57
click anything takes 2-3 seconds to respond
13:57
<Q-FUNK>
hehehe
13:59
<johnny>
lol
13:59
hey warren
13:59
<warren>
The PXE 1000 is a fine machine, just not to do X.
14:00
<johnny>
my ltsp-build-client plugins dir is almost as small as yours now
14:00
i should have something worthy to commit soon
14:05
<warren>
I take that back
14:06
the PXE 1000 would be a fine machine to display to a high resolution LCD picture frame
14:06
if you don't mind 15-30 seconds to draw a single picture
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<johnny>
what are the specs?
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<warren>
johnny, 200MHz 128MB RAM SiS video
14:11
johnny, except this 200MHz is cripplingly slow
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maybe feels like 486 MHz
14:12
<johnny>
sounds like it
14:12
<warren>
33MHz
14:12
<johnny>
bad drivers?
14:12
<warren>
I've used Pentium MMX 133MHz faster than this
14:12
johnny, no, it was never designed to do any desktop tasks
14:12
<jammcq>
and yet it's quite fast on LTSP-4.2.
14:12
<warren>
johnny, headless embedded controller
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<warren>
jammcq, perhaps at a substantially lesser resolution and bitdepth if you don't have ANYTHING animated on the screen?
14:13
<jammcq>
1280x1024 is quite reasonable as a desktop with that computer
14:13
16-bit depth
14:14
<warren>
why is it crawling even at 800x600 16bit here?
14:14
<jammcq>
no clue, but the same thing happens under Ubuntu too
14:14
and how could i possibly have "Substantially lesser" than 800x600 ?
14:14
<warren>
Unless there's something about ancient versions of X used by LTSP 4.2
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<jammcq>
lean and mean.... that's the secret
14:15
<warren>
uh.
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<warren>
under the hood it isn't doing anything different
14:15
<jammcq>
yeah, I know
14:15
<warren>
although do you mean I shouldn't be using GNOME?
14:15
<jammcq>
no, it's not gnome
14:15
cuz that's what I run
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<warren>
I can see how this is a fine and DURABLE machine for single tasks optimized for it
14:16
but modern LTSP ...
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<warren>
oh I know... I'll try bootchart on it.
14:17
should be interesting
14:18
jammcq, is your LTSP 4.2 using sis native or vesa video?
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<jammcq>
it was using sis
14:19
i don't have that setup anymore
14:19
<warren>
oh
14:19
<jammcq>
well, i'm pretty sure it was
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<grAv|ty>
ehlo ltsp
15:04
<warren>
interesting... cdpinger only crashes on my VIA based thin clients
15:04
everything else is fine
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<ogra_cmpc>
warren, c or python version ?
15:33* ogra_cmpc reads backlog of the day ....
15:33
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, latest from *-trunk
15:33
segfault
15:34
no time to look at this now
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<warren>
I have to reinstall my laptop
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<ogra_cmpc>
warren, my e1000 is my router ... 10 bucks for a USB->ethernet adapter and a 512M cf card :) awesome firewall
15:39
and even that install takes 2min to boot from the local cf card
15:40
oh, why do you need to reinstall ?
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, partially just to test the installer
15:40
<ogra_cmpc>
ah
15:41
i have a spare hartition for such games
15:41
*partition
15:41
<gcleric>
howdy, i've got a bit of a noob quesiton. is there a way to make the ltsp client image read only?
15:42
<ogra_cmpc>
it is read only by default
15:42
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, well, i'm also converting my laptop to have encrypted swap, encrypted root and encrypted home
15:42
<ogra_cmpc>
ah
15:42
<gcleric>
hmmm.... really? I'm able to create directories and files and they are still in my profile after reboot.
15:43
<ogra_cmpc>
you mean the desktop session ?
15:43
<gcleric>
yes
15:43
<ogra_cmpc>
thats not the ltsp image :)
15:44
<gcleric>
it's there server huh!
15:44
<ogra_cmpc>
right
15:44
<gcleric>
thanks!
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<dberkholz>
the guy who maintains our kernel/initramfs-building app has said he's open to the idea of porting it to initramfs-tools
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<georgy_28>
hello I have Ubuntu 8.04 + ltsp 5 up and running. Now I try to install TCM, but not luck. Any hint ?
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<DavoDinkum>
Does LTSP utilise the thin clients as a server farm?
22:28
<johnny>
no
22:28
everything runs off the server
22:28
at least by default
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<DavoDinkum>
hmm
22:30
Do you think it's a good idea?
22:30
I'm just throwing ideas around.
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