IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 October 2014   (all times are UTC)

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04:00work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
04:00* alkisg waits for the LTSP hackfest opening ceremony...
04:02* vagrantc too
04:04
<alkisg>
vagrantc: remind me, did you finally agree about changing our "bypass-configure networking" code to an "ipconfig wrapper script, generated at init-top"?
04:04* alkisg would like to remove all our "wait for udev" hacks...
04:07
<vagrantc>
alkisg: my recollections of that are vague at best
04:07
<alkisg>
(btw, ltsploop should source init functions, it's using "panic"...)
04:08
<vagrantc>
ltsploop should probably be more generalized... it was a quick proof of concept
04:09
<alkisg>
The idea was that it's difficult to wait for udev in order to correctly initialize the NICs. So we can just let ipconfig do its job and redirect any bugs there,
04:09
...we only needed "pre-ipconfig" and a "post-ipconfig" hooks, in order to fill-in ROOTSERVER etc
04:09
So, in local-top/ltsp-ipconfig-wrapper, we could mv /bin/ipconfig to /bin/ipconfig.real, and create a shell wrapper at /bin/ipconfig
04:10
...which would provide us the hooks we need, while also calling ipconfig in the middle
04:10
Of course that would only get in effect when init=init-ltsp
04:11
<vagrantc>
i think i hesitantly gave in on that one... :)
04:11
<alkisg>
I think so too, but I keep wondering why you're hesitant... :)
04:11
I think it's much cleaner than our dozens of commits about "fix bring up nics" :)
04:12
<vagrantc>
i'd rather improve the initramfs-tools function to have a pre and post hook option
04:12
alkisg: yes, i think it's better than what we've been doing, that's for sure.
04:12
<alkisg>
We can ask maks about that, and then just remove the wrapper
04:12
Ah ok, so you wouldn't mind if I committed something in that direction, nice
04:12
<vagrantc>
right
04:13
though i'd ask that you also open a bug report against initramfs-tools and/or whatever ships ipconfig
04:13
klibc-utils
04:13
<alkisg>
We shouldn't target ipconfig/klibc, but initramfs
04:13
We want a wrapper for "configure_networking" actually
04:13
<vagrantc>
right
04:14
i was thinking just a few hooks in configure_networking shouldn't be too hard
04:14
but i'm not sure there's a way to override functions...
04:14
<alkisg>
I couldn't find any
04:15
<vagrantc>
so, barring getting ipconfig conf.d support or something, patching initramfs-tools to support the hooks would be my preferred way
04:15
<alkisg>
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1203583/how-do-i-rename-a-bash-function
04:15
<vagrantc>
patching initramfs-tools configure_networking
04:16
<alkisg>
That function overriding method seems much more hackier than wrapping ipconfig, imho...
04:16
<vagrantc>
agreed
04:17
which is why i think we should patch configure_networking
04:17
<alkisg>
You mean send the patch upstream, right?
04:17
<vagrantc>
yes
04:30
looks like there have been a lot of changes in initramfs-tools recently... will need to test ltsp with it...
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07:48
<ELias_>
test
07:50
Help για μυνημα NOthing to boot no such directory DISK BOOT FAILURE INSERT..
07:53
To αξιοσημειωτο είναι ότι με τις ιδιες ρυθμίσεις σύνδεσεις, οι clients μπουταρουν απο laptop με ltsp, ενώ απο τον server του εργαστηριου
07:53
βγαζει DISK BOOT FAILURE
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08:40
<alkisg>
!greek
08:40
<ltsp`>
greek: Στο παρόν κανάλι μιλάνε μόνο Αγγλικά, για υποστήριξη στα Ελληνικά από την υπηρεσία Τεχνικής Στήριξης ΣΕΠΕΗΥ διαβάστε το http://ts.sch.gr/wiki/IRC και στη συνέχεια πληκτρολογήστε /j #ts.sch.gr
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08:51
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
08:51
<ltsp`>
Error: "alkisg-todo" is not a valid command.
08:51
<alkisg>
!alkisg_todo
08:51
<ltsp`>
Error: "alkisg_todo" is not a valid command.
08:52
<alkisg>
!todo
08:52
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'todo', but I do know about these similar topics: 'bts-todo', 'bennabiy_todo', 'todo-jammcq-sbalneav'
08:52
<alkisg>
!bts-todo
08:52
<ltsp`>
bts-todo: Get rid of cdpinger, use udev rules instead
08:52
<alkisg>
!forget bts-todo
08:52
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
08:52
<alkisg>
!todo-jammcq-sbalneav
08:52
<ltsp`>
todo-jammcq-sbalneav: (#1) change the IRC topic, or better yet add an IRC op, or (#2) delete or close http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-beginners/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-announce/ http://sourceforge.net/p/ltsp/mailman/ltsp-translations/
08:52
<alkisg>
!forget #todo-jammcq-sbalneav #1
08:52
<ltsp`>
Error: There is no such factoid.
08:52
<alkisg>
!forget todo-jammcq-sbalneav #1
08:52
<ltsp`>
Error: There is no such factoid.
08:52
<alkisg>
!forget todo-jammcq-sbalneav 1
08:52
<ltsp`>
The operation succeeded.
08:53
<alkisg>
!bennabiy_todo
08:53
<ltsp`>
bennabiy_todo: (#1) Finish patching LinuxMint code to detect NON mint chroot build requests on mint, and to build a mint chroot on non mint server., or (#2) Fix Mint 17 support - create package removal hook and update script
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13:51
<bennabiy>
alkisg: cleaning up the todo lists?
13:53
<sbalneav>
Morning all
13:53
<bennabiy>
morning sbalneav
13:54
<sbalneav>
Hello bennabiy
14:02
<bennabiy>
How is the ltsp6 coding session?
14:03
<sbalneav>
hasn't started yet :D
14:03
<bennabiy>
I wish I could participate, but I am in the middle of getting ready to move tomorrow
14:03
I might be able to do a little something in a couple days
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14:44* bennabiy waves to all
14:44
<bennabiy>
I will be back after the move tomorrow.
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15:55
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: vrooom vroom! ping!
15:56
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Hey hey
15:56
I'm just building a fat client chroot now
15:56
So it's the fat client stuff we're having problems with on libpam-sshauth?
15:57
<vagrantc>
i honestly don't remember ... it's been over a year since i last worked on it, i think...
15:57
or maybe half a year
15:58
i think fat client should actually be easier
15:58
<sbalneav>
I know with thin clients the problem is no localdevice support.
15:59
I also seemed to be getting some problems with libsshauth working correctly under wheezy with 32 bit client images and 64 bit servers.
16:00
<vagrantc>
hrm.
16:00
<sbalneav>
Do you have an ltsp chroot built for libpam-sshauth handy?
16:00
Or should we spend today getting things set up to the point where we can do serious work tomorrow?
16:01
<vagrantc>
not yet, but it shouldn't take long to get rolling
16:02
also need to test that initramfs-tools in sid doesn't break anything... this could be a good deal of yak shaving
16:03
<sbalneav>
When is jessie scheduled to go live? Is that your primary focus at this point... jessie?
16:03
i.e. should I set up a jessie server?
16:03
instead of wheezy
16:03
<vagrantc>
jessie freezes on november 5th
16:04
<sbalneav>
Do you want me on jessie?
16:04
<vagrantc>
and migration takes 10 days, so any fixes we need should get uploaded no later than october 25th.
16:04
yeah, i'll be focusing on jessie
16:05
it would be good to also test on wheezy, but i'd rather make sure it gets working on jessie and then work out what's needed to backport later
16:05
<sbalneav>
ok, then give me a couple of hours, i'll get a jessie server up and going. There's no point in me fighting with wheezy if you're focusing on jessie.
16:05
I'll get that going.
16:06
downloading jessie beta 2 installer iso now.
16:08
<vagrantc>
oh yeah, that needs testers :)
16:10
dunno when this happened, but apparently all my virtualization stuff got uninstalled... meh.
16:14
sbalneav: what times were you planning on working on this stuff?
16:14
sbalneav: my schedules fairly open, although evenings are spoken for
16:16* vagrantc digs up http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
16:20
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: Basically, all this week during the day
16:20
Unless called away for short periods by #payingjob :D
16:20
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: ok, sounds good. i've got a meeting in a few hours, but otherwise generally free during the day
16:21
sbalneav: so, last november i apparently added some code to support localapps when running as the user... which i think was for the libpam-sshauth usecase
16:23
<sbalneav>
Sounds right.
16:24
<vagrantc>
gadi and i gave it a go at the LTSP BTS
16:24
we also apparently killed off xatomwait :)
16:25
<sbalneav>
starting the jessie install...
16:31
<vagrantc>
i seem to recall now there being problems with groups
16:32
libnss-extrausers didn't allow us to add groups or something
16:39
sbalneav: i'd really recommend a caching proxy
16:39
sbalneav: squid-deb-proxy, approx, maybe apt-cacher-ng
16:40
<sbalneav>
vagrantc: OK, once I get it up and going, I'll get a chroot up.
16:55
bbiab lunch
16:57* vagrantc makes breakfast
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16:59
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i'll need to at least partially disappear for a couple hours around noon PDT
17:00
sbalneav: i've got my ltsp environment upgraded for the moment
17:08
<muppis>
koneworks, !win-loader
17:08
!win-loader
17:08
<ltsp`>
I do not know about 'win-loader', but I do know about these similar topics: 'win32-loader', 'win98-loader'
17:09
<muppis>
!win32-loader
17:09
<ltsp`>
win32-loader: win32-loader.exe adds a "PXE - Network boot" option to the Windows boot manager. It's developed for Debian and it uses http://ipxe.org for the network booting. Download it from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/tools/win32-loader/stable. More info at http://goo.gl/FPD7Zv
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20:08
<Ark74>
hi!
20:10
can i set timers on epoptes messages?
20:11
let's say i have a classrom that has 2 hours class, so i can pre-set the 2 hour mark to send a "End of Class" message
20:13
BTW, is there an epoptes channel?
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21:13
<Mip5>
Hi Folks - I want to have my clients auto shutdown at the end of the day. Is this link still valid for 12.04? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn?
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21:34
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: how goes the install?
21:47
<Mip5>
Gotta run - I'll check back tomorrow. Thanks gang!
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