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Channel log from 27 February 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<vagrantc>
wow. ltsp-lite sure struck a busy chord.
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<polytan>
hi
03:58
I've got a problem with tftp-hpa on ubuntu
03:58
it simply does nothing
03:59
after the DHCP request from the thin client's network card
03:59
nothing happen
03:59
it was working a few days ago
03:59
<ogra>
make sure you dont have a second dhcpd running in your network
03:59
<polytan>
hum
04:00
the offered ip is good (my school network is on 10.108.x.x and my ltsp's one is on 192.168.x.x
04:00
and during the boot, the dhcp offers a 192.168.x.x one
04:00
today I just did this modification :
04:01
in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules, I switch eth0 to eth1 and eth1 to eth2
04:01
and I change the dhcp from eth0 to eth1 (restarting the computer, etc)
04:01
do you see something ?
04:02
and I'm not sure that the program thtp-hpa is well started
04:02
<ogra>
it shouldnt be started :)
04:03
<polytan>
even if I do a "sudo /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa restart"
04:03
<ogra>
inetd runs it on request
04:03
<polytan>
ok
04:03
<ogra>
you likely missed to change the IPs for the interfaces
04:03
<polytan>
that's why I have "daemon = no" and that /etc/init.d/tftp-hpa does nothing ?
04:03
<ogra>
right, its supposed to
04:03
<polytan>
ok
04:03
you likely missed to change the IPs for the interfaces => where ?
04:03
<ogra>
inetd.conf should have a line for tftp
04:04
<polytan>
ok
04:04
<ogra>
in /etc/network/interfcaes
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*interfaces
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<polytan>
I restart in a minute (I'm on gentoo to see if it is working (to check my cables, etc) and it works)
04:04
I come back
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<polytan>
well
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re
04:07
on ubuntu ;)
04:08
http://pastebin.com/f57971750 ogra
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<ogra>
no eth0 ?
04:09
whats "ifconfig -a" showing
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<polytan>
http://pastebin.com/f283d46e7
04:09
no, I don't have any eth0
04:09
I have eth1 and eth2
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http://pastebin.com/f76c88831
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is that a problem not to have an eth0 ?
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<ogra>
no
04:11
i was only wondering
04:11
looks all fine so far
04:11
<polytan>
yes :(
04:11
that's why I don't understand :(
04:12
It's amazing : same config as on gentoo : it works on gentoo, it worked on ubuntu and it doesn't work anymore now :/
04:12
<ogra>
did you change anything physically in your network
04:12
<polytan>
do you want to see my dhcpd.conf ?
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<ogra>
i.e. added a new (managed) switch or something
04:13
<polytan>
no
04:13
I'm directly connected to the thin client
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<ogra>
sure, dhcpd.conf, why not
04:13
<polytan>
on interface (eth2 to internet) and eth1 with a cable (no switch or whatever) to the thin client
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<ogra>
a crossover cable ?
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<polytan>
http://pastebin.com/f286c753e
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<ogra>
or a normal one ?
04:14
<polytan>
a cable working on gentoo
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<ogra>
right, but probably the NIC doesnt autosense
04:14
<polytan>
ok
04:14
I change it
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<ogra>
i would put a switch in place just to be sure
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<polytan>
I try
04:15
dhcp ok
04:16
tftp failed
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and I'm sure that it was working with this cable
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<ogra>
can you manually tftp and is /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 containing the right files ?
04:16
<polytan>
how to do that ?
04:17
I checked the folder and it seems all right
04:17
I've got a pxelinux.0 in ity
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it*
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<ogra>
tftp <serverip>
04:17
that should give you a connection, very much like ftp
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<polytan>
it works
04:18* ogra needs to restart X for a test
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<polytan>
locally
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<polytan>
re ogra
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<ogra>
hey
04:25
did you try tftp to 192.168.0.254 or to localhost ?
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<polytan>
yes
04:25
it seems to work
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but once I have done tftp localhost
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all command I use are invalid
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I don't have dir or ls
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<ogra>
yeah, thats why it has the T :)
04:26
<polytan>
ok :)
04:26
<ogra>
trivial ftp ;)
04:26
you can only get and need to know the filename
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<polytan>
so I should be able to do a tftp localhost
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and next
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get pxelinux.0 ?
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<ogra>
get <filename>
04:27
the filename from your dhcpd.conf
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<polytan>
?
04:28
ok
04:28
doesn't work
04:28
transfer time out
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<ogra>
what do you get ?
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<polytan>
I have the same error when I try to boot the thin client
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"transfert time out"
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<ogra>
so you tried "GET /ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0"
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<polytan>
yes
04:29
with " "
04:29
<ogra>
(not sure, it might need to be capitalized)
04:29
<polytan>
and a small get ;)
04:29
<ogra>
no, drop the quotes
04:29
<polytan>
or it doesn't work
04:30
the thing I don't understand is why my dhcp is working and not tftp which should be a lot simplier :/
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<ogra>
do you have a firewall or edited /etc/hosts.{allow|deny} ?
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<polytan>
no
04:32
LTSPmac% cat /etc/default/tftpd-hpa
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#Defaults for tftpd-hpa
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RUN_DAEMON="no"
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OPTIONS="-l -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
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04:32
it is the only conf I've got for tftp
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and actually, I never had problem with it :(
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<ogra>
right and its pointless :)
04:33
RUN_DAEMON="no" tells tftpd to wait for inetd invocation
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<polytan>
yes
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<ogra>
and your inted.conf seemed fine
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<polytan>
do you think I should came back to eth0 and eth 1?
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<ogra>
did you restart inetd after making all these changes ?
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<polytan>
the thing is that on the back of the server, the ethernet ports are named eth1 and eth2 so to understand what we are speaking about, I change their name in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rules
04:34
<ogra>
or reboot ?
04:34
<polytan>
I reboot at least 3 or 4 times since I did all modifications (udev, default/dhcp network/interfaces )
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I come back
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<polytan>
re
04:40
<krish[0]>
se
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<polytan>
I put back eth1 to eth0
04:44
I still have dhcp
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but no tftp
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<ogra>
weird
04:44
<polytan>
are you sure my dhcpd.conf is all right ?
04:44
<ogra>
and the interfaces properly changed ?
04:44
<polytan>
yes
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<ogra>
(ifconfig -a shows the MAC adresses)
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<polytan>
I'm really lost
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and it is for this evenig...
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I hate this sort of problems
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<polytan>
I'm not able to start tftp manually
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I really don't how I will do :(
05:01
I come back, I have to eat
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<knipwim>
polytan: perhaps you could use another tftp program, or run the tftp server on another computer in your network
05:11
at the very least it could help determine your problem better
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<polytan>
how to know all program started during a normal boot ?
05:12
<knipwim>
all programs after init?
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<cdealer>
good morning... have anyone notice any issue with adobe reader being very slow on LTSP Clients ?
05:33
<cyberorg>
cdealer, dont know about ltsp, adobe reader has been terrible even on normal session, use evince ;)
05:33
hi krish, playing with ltsp?
05:34
<krish>
cyberorg: thinking of more ideas.. today is logo submission last date
05:34
shona has submitted 1 too
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i want to submit one more
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<cdealer>
cyberorg: we are using, but evince have crash with some pdf that has bar code
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<polytan>
I'm in a lake of shit...
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3h remainings :/
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<polytan>
si j'ai ca dans le ps ax
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12469 ? Z 0:00 [watchdog] <defunct>
05:51
c'est qu'il y a un truc qui pue ?
05:52
<laga>
english, please :)
05:53
<polytan>
sorry
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I though I was elsewhere :)
05:53
I'm still trying to get ltsp working
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and when I do a "ps ax"
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I have a "12469 ? Z 0:00 [watchdog] <defunct>"
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do you thuink this could show a problem ?
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<polytan>
ogra, I removed vmware, remove tftp from inetd.conf and started tftp as a daemon and it works
05:55
I just have a problem at the end of the boot process
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so no login screen yet
05:55
I build a new client image a will try with it
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<polytan>
ogra, can I see your inetd.conf please ?
06:00
or laga :)
06:00
only the line with tftp interest me
06:00* ogra doesnt run ltsp anywhere atm
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<ogra>
so i have no proper inetd.conf, but what you pasted before looked ok
06:01
though you didnt say you had vmware installed
06:01
i think vmware forcefully pulls in xinetd which will lead to problems
06:01
dpkg -l |grep inetd
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check which one is installed ?
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(you want openbsd-inetd to have ltsp work right)
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<polytan>
tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
06:04
do you know why there is twince /usr/bin/in.tftpd ?
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<ogra>
(xinetd doesnt use inetd.conf)
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<polytan>
my xinetd.conf is empty
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<ogra>
dpkg -l |grep inetd
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please check which one you have
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<polytan>
rc openbsd-inetd 0.20080125-1 The OpenBSD Internet Superserver
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ii update-inetd 4.30 inetd configuration file updater
06:06
ii xinetd 1:2.3.14-7ubuntu1 replacement for inetd with many enhancement
06:06
<ogra>
aha
06:06
<polytan>
aha what ? :)
06:06
<ogra>
sudo apt-get remove --purge xinetd && sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd
06:06
run tht line and all will be fine
06:07
as i said above, vmware is evil ... it forcefully replaces openbsd-inetd with xinetd
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<polytan>
are you sure ?
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<ogra>
yes
06:07
<polytan>
it will remove a lot of ltsp programs
06:07
debootstrap squashfs-tools ltspfs python-ltsp nbd-server debconf-utils
06:07
ltsp-manager* ltsp-server* ltsp-server-standalone* xinetd*
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<ogra>
then flip the line at the &&
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<polytan>
flip ?
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<ogra>
sudo apt-get install openbsd-inetd && sudo apt-get remove --purge xinetd
06:08
<polytan>
it is a lot better :)
06:08
<ogra>
all these packages require an inetd
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<polytan>
I'm sorry for that, I came from the gentoo's world
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<ogra>
so installing the other one first and then removing the wrong one will keep them :)
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<polytan>
yes
06:09
I did it
06:09
I start a thin client
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<ogra>
and change your tftpd back to be started by inetd (you said you made it start as daemon)
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<polytan>
shit
06:09
yes
06:10
tftp is working now
06:10
but the client isn't starting
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<ogra>
where does it stop ?
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<polytan>
I have the ubuntu splash going right and left
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<ogra>
you might need to reboot the server to get everything straight again
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<polytan>
and instead of having the progress bar completed, it switchs to a text console and display a lot of things (not a kernel panic)
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<ogra>
ending at a busybox prompt ?
06:12
<polytan>
yes
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<polytan>
but the tftp server runs well now :)
06:14
thanks again :)
06:14
youhou !
06:14
I've changed the pxelinux.cfg/default file
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actually, I just added nbdport=2001 to the end
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and it work
06:15
allright,, I can log on to the client
06:15
perfect
06:15
thanks again ;)
06:15
tobacco pause now
06:16
ogra, I will set the ip to eth1 and eth2
06:16
<ogra>
have a good smoke :)
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<polytan>
see you in a second :)
06:17
thanks again
06:17
you can't imaghine in what sort of mud I was :)
06:17
<ogra>
heh
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<th13f>
Hi guys, How can I calculate the total memory for 35 thin-clients?
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<knipwim>
th13f: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#id2530369
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<th13f>
ram-for-1-thin-client*total-thin-clients
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?
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<alkisg>
th13f: see the link knipwim gave you above, the formula is there
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<polytan>
I don't know if this formula is true or not
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When I start a thin client network with 14 machines, it doesn't use 256+128*14Mo of ram
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it is a lot function of all apps used byt the client
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<alkisg>
polytan: yes, but if you open firefox + openoffice + totem + ...?
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<polytan>
the library are loaded only one time
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<ogra>
its not about clients, its about desktop sessions ;)
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<alkisg>
Yes, but the firefox tabs aren't :)
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<ogra>
there is some shared overlap indeed
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<polytan>
I will answer you later this afternoon
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<ogra>
and the numbers are rather conservative to keep you on the safe side
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<polytan>
Is brasero xfce burner ?
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<ogra>
gnome i think
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<th13f>
alkisg: ok. I need 7GB for 35 thin-clients
07:14
I have 6Gb today. And sometimes the gdm freeze for 1 or 2 thin-clients
07:14
this can be a memory problem?
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<alkisg>
th13f: why don't you run htop or something similar to see how much ram you actually use?
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<th13f>
alkisg: actually the memory is ok
07:16
alkisg: but munin show me that at 12pm the memory is on max!
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<ogra>
th13f, "sometimes the gdm freeze for 1 or 2 thin-clients" ... do you mean ldm on the client ?
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<ogra>
... or gdm on the server ?
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<th13f>
the gdm process on the server get freeze
07:17
ogra: on the server
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<ogra>
you have users that log in to the server ?
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(directly on the local gdm i mean)
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<th13f>
ogra: and some thin-clients cant boot anymore. Just after I reboot gdm on the server
07:18
ogra: I am using ltsp 4.2
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<ogra>
oh, k
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<th13f>
ogra: the user log on the server gdm
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<ogra>
no idea tzhen, thats long dead
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<th13f>
ogra: ok, but forgot ltsp 4.2
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ogra: the memory on max, can freeze gdm
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?
07:19
<ogra>
it can freeze the server
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i would run top on the server during a day and keep an eye on the load
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to see how high it goes
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<th13f>
ogra: Yes... I will do this...
07:20
ogra: Should I watch load parameters e memory usage, ok?
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<ogra>
right, everything at the top should be intresting ...
07:21
the processlist ... not so much
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<th13f>
ogra: ok. I already have the munin logs. This show me every day at 12pm, the server is without free memory
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ogra: I will do the top now...
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<ogra>
do you have enough swap so it has a chance to fall back to it ?
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<th13f>
ogra: yes...
07:22
:(
07:23
<ogra>
also for ram usage /proc/meminfo and htop are way more accurate than top
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<th13f>
the swap goes to high
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<gate_keeper_>
echo "1" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
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free -m
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<ogra>
so first thing if you see your swap maxed out is to add more swap ... a swapfile if you cant do better will do
07:24
that should prevent the machine from hard locks
07:24
it will just slow down but should recover
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: Hum, what this command do?
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<gate_keeper_>
actual memory use
07:27
without cache
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: this cat, retorn me 0
07:28
get me 0
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<polytan>
ogra, brasero is simple but perfect
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<polytan>
I used to use gnome-baker
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<th13f>
I am searching about that
07:28
<polytan>
and brasero is very cool :)
07:29* ogra uses nautilus
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<polytan>
do you ?
07:30
I like XFCE rather than Gnome for only one function :
07:30
changing from one virtual desktop to another using the mouse
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on the side on the desktop
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: echo "3" > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches.
07:32
this wont let the server use the memory for pagecache, inodes
07:32
?
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<gate_keeper_>
th13f, 3 is using to free pagecache, dentries and inodes
07:34
1 if only for pagecache
07:34
u are using gnome?
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: gnome
07:39
gate_keeper_: why?
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<gate_keeper_>
i have around 35 clients who are using ~ 5-5,5GB of server memory with icewm/firefox/oo/skype/acrobat etc...
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: this server doent freeze sometimes?
07:53
<gate_keeper_>
i have 8GB
07:54
from memory, nope
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<th13f>
Ow
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<gate_keeper_>
how much swap do u have?
07:54
<th13f>
8Gb to 35 clients?
07:54
7Gb is the minimum recomended
07:54
I have 6Gb
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<gate_keeper_>
add more swap
07:55
or use fat thin clients
07:55
or add more ram memory in the server
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<th13f>
gate_keeper_: Ok. I will check this server all day long
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<r1ka>
hi all
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<r1ka>
there is any "how-to" how to make local apps running on fedora 10 + ltsp?
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<r1ka>
hi sbalneav
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<cdealer>
please, need help with this with some urgency... connected trhough ssh in the ltsp server how can I get the clients DISPLAY number ? I need someway to be able to batch this so I could send a message to every user warning of a server shutdown
10:32
<sbalneav>
Are they using LDM-directx?
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<cdealer>
sbalneav: well ... I dont know what is this, they use ldm, gnome... default ltsp5 on ubuntu 7.10
10:36
<sbalneav>
cdealer: Do you have LDM-DIRECTX set in lts.conf?
10:36
<cdealer>
sbalneav: no. What this can do for me?
10:36
<sbalneav>
Then no, there's no easy way to send them all a message
10:37
Unless you've set up something like iTalc or the like.
10:37
<cdealer>
sbalneav: okay, so I will put LDM-DIRECTX = true, and them how caould this make easy for me to send users message?
10:40
<sbalneav>
cdealer: search the ltsp-discuss archives on our mailing list. This has been discussed there before, with solutions provided.
10:40
but for now, it's not going to help. You'd be better off to simply notify them via an email, or the like.
10:41
<cdealer>
okay, thanks again for the help, just one more thing, italk you mentioned can do the job if I install it now or do I need any previous configuration on lts.conf?
10:42
<sbalneav>
I'm not sure if iTalc was available on 7.10. I know it's available 8.04 and later.
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10:45
<stgraber>
sbalneav: first well working italc was Intrepid, Hardy didn't work that well with LTSP.
10:45
Hi scotty btw
10:47
<sbalneav>
Hey stgraber
10:47
<cdealer>
Hmmm okay, thank you all
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<polytan>
hi
10:53
I've done a new installation of ubuntu+ltsp within 1h30 ;)
10:53
lovely ;)
10:53
the only problem is : synaptics doesn't find any packages
10:54
just main
10:54
I've added a few repo, apt-get find them, the gnbome program to install also
10:54
but not synaptics
10:54
<stgraber>
that's probably a configuration issue on your server, not related to ltsp
10:54
<polytan>
yes
10:54
but myabe you have an idea :)
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<cdealer>
I just found on apt-get italc-client and italc-master, I think I will install it....
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11:37
<SDuensin>
Hey all, when a user logs in, is any script run? Is it run with privileges so I can do lock-down stuff?
11:39
<sbalneav>
SDuensin: Yes. Location of script is distro dependent
11:40
Ususally the XSession scripts are used
11:40* SDuensin is on Ubuntu.
11:40
<sbalneav>
You can drop a script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
11:41
remember: the script is .'d so things like exit are bad.
11:41
<SDuensin>
Sweet. That's easy enough.
11:41
Thanks!
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<rjune_>
ogra, you going to pycon this year?
11:48
<vagrantc>
SDuensin: be sure not to use "exit" in with Xsession.d snippets, as each of those files is sourced as part of a script
11:48
<SDuensin>
Yea, I saw that. Thanks.
11:48
<vagrantc>
oh, i totally missed what sbalneav said. such is the way of skimming backscroll
11:49
sbalneav: so, with debian lenny released, i'm looking at doing some more significant changes in ltsp related uploads, and we'll have another round of copyright/license scrutiny fun...
11:51
<sbalneav>
We still have some stuff that's questionably licensed?
11:51
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: src/lbmount.c is unversioned GPL, which basically means GPL v1, which has some bugs ... could you relicense under GPL v2 or GPL v2+ ?
11:51
<sbalneav>
Sure
11:51
<vagrantc>
nothing too terrible, really ... but some cleanup that would be better to do sooner than later
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<vagrantc>
also some discrepancies like "please see the GPL file" but there is no such file, or "Copying file" when there's a "COPYING" file... seemingly little things like that
11:54
sbalneav: would you also be amenable to the more verbose and explicit copyright/licensing headers we've been adding to most of the files?
11:55
looks like ltspfs-trunk/src/common.c is also a unversioned GPL
11:56
:n
11:56
still don't know the story on header files ... *.h ...
11:56
but i suspect pedantic (a.k.a. debian) will want a copyright/license notice
11:57
<sbalneav>
Fine with me
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i figured so. just wanted to get permission before going on a commit rampage :)
11:58
<sbalneav>
So, you'll make the changes?
11:58
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: unless you'd rather
11:59
<sbalneav>
Nah, I'd just muss it up :)
11:59
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: i figure since i'm doing all the nitpicking, i could putin the time and effort :)
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<sbalneav>
I give you blanket permission to licence any and all of my works with GPL2+, and include whatever copyright headers/notices deemed necessary
12:00
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: :)
12:00
<sbalneav>
s/you/any LTSP developer/g
12:01
That was always my intention with the code.
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<vagrantc>
probably can't start on the commit rampage till monday... but i'll have a go at it then :)
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<Lns>
wow, lots of xcb/java chatter today
13:04
<johnny>
flicker free gtk+ is coming..
13:04
even over ssh..
13:05
<Lns>
johnny: ?
13:06
<johnny>
http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2009/02/10/how-to-remove-flicker-from-gtk/
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<johnny>
also this one ..
13:08
http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2008/12/09/flicker-free-gtk-continued/
13:09
<alkisg>
...and this means TCs would need more RAM ? :-/
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<Lns>
hmmm
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<Lns>
sounds nice, though i can't view the videos (they're scrambled for some reason)
13:15
<alkisg>
It's because you still have hardy :P
13:17
<Lns>
alkisg: =p~~ ~
13:18
from what i'm reading it sounds like all this stuff is done x client (app) side, so no thinclient ram increase necessary
13:18
if i'm understanding how it all works
13:18
<alkisg>
I'm not sure... if now they use double buffering, it won't change anything
13:19
<Gadi>
Lns: switch your video output to x11
13:20
(to remove the scrambled look)
13:22
<Lns>
Gadi: uhh, where?
13:22
i dont' see that in totem
13:22
<Gadi>
ah - using totem are ya?
13:23
it prolly uses gstreamer defaults
13:23* Gadi has moved to gecko-mediaplayer
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<Lns>
:)
13:23
<Gadi>
much nicer
13:23
:)
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<Gadi>
and you can change prefernces with a rightclick on the plugin
13:24
<Lns>
oh wow
13:24
sounds like that should be the default! =) mplayer..mmmm
13:30
Gadi: wow, i have a new favorite browser media plugin =)
13:31
<Gadi>
hehe
13:31* Gadi had to play with it recently, because it was one of the only ones that worked well on a 64-bit server I deployed
13:31
<Gadi>
worked well with asx files and such
13:31
<johnny>
-uggh
13:32
<Gadi>
I know!
13:32
<Lns>
lol
13:32
<Gadi>
:)
13:33* Gadi laughs that gtk+ only now notices the tearing
13:33
<Gadi>
:)
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13:35* Lns wonders, will this improve window moving, with seeing multiple copies of the window when moving around quickly?
13:37
<Lns>
if "subwindow" means windows on top of the root window
13:38
<Gadi>
Lns: no - moving the window is the window manager's job. subwindow in this context is a sub of the gtk+ window application
13:38
I believe
13:39
<Lns>
ah ok
13:40
maybe this general methodology could be applied to metacity though
13:42
http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-714130.html
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<chupacabra>
xfce-lite indeed.
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<Blinny>
I have a rather interesting question
14:39
I have a /home I've copied to another server. Desktop launchers I've created (say, to http://google.com) take forever to run. They even take forever to bring up the properties. On the original system, it comes up quickly.
14:40
Permissions are correct.. one caveat is that I'm accessing from an NIS slave
14:41
<johnny>
lol nis
14:44* Blinny kicks johnny
14:44
<Blinny>
hey it works
14:44
I sure as hell am not using LDAP
14:44
<johnny>
so does windows :)
14:44
<Blinny>
That's debatable ;)
14:45
Sooo you have nothing constructive to add, just pessimism? And stuff?
14:45
Why you gotta kick a brother when he's down?
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<Blinny>
I'll do s'more research. Later!
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<Lns>
johnny: you really should think about being nicer to people that have different setups than you ;)
15:47
<johnny>
huh?
15:47
my setup doesn't even have ldap
15:47
i would use it if necessary
15:47
nis is lol tho
15:47
he dissed on ldap as you can tell
15:48
<Lns>
there's nothing wrong w/nis
15:48
it's a very simple solution
15:48
<ogra>
apart from the fact that everyone in your net can read al passwords you mean i hope
15:48
<Lns>
sure
15:49
<ogra>
they are bouncing through your network in cleartext all the time
15:49
<Lns>
never said it was secure =) just simple
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<Lns>
can't you tunnel nis through ssh anyway if desired?
15:49
<ogra>
yeah
15:50
stil a horribly complex setup
15:50
<johnny>
Lns, plenty of people have different setups than me.. most of you guys do..
15:50
<ogra>
as much as i hate ldap, in that case i would prefer it
15:50
<johnny>
so don't be blanket :)
15:50
<Lns>
really? I've never implemented it but it sure seemed basic enough
15:50
<johnny>
it's just nis specifically .. that people still use it
15:50
that makes me laugh
15:51
<Lns>
well ldap's complexity makes me cry
15:51
=p
15:51
<ogra>
well, there are people using telnet still :)
15:51
<Lns>
lol
15:51
well hey, if you wanna call an old renegade BBS or something, there's nothing wrong with that =)
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<Lns>
s/call/connect to/
15:52
heh
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<johnny>
hmm.. i never thought ldap was all that complex myself
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<ogra>
its not in itself, but its maintenance and its tools are
15:57
<Lns>
isn't it true that there's no *real* standard for even basic user auth in ldap?
16:03
<johnny>
standard in what?
16:03
what kind of standard?
16:03
user and pass is all you would need to store.. sounds basic :)
16:08
<Lns>
johnny: right, i mean with the actual schemas or whatnot.. (sorry don't know the terminology)
16:08
about it being portable across setups and still work
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<sbalneav>
The standards are basically "ad hoc"
16:11
<johnny>
some people require different and/or more info than others
16:11
<sbalneav>
there is only one pam_ldap module, so any system that uses pam_ldap (most) uses what pam_ldap wants.
16:11
<johnny>
Lns, seems like ubuntu or whatever could take the lead here
16:12
<Lns>
sbalneav: ah, so pam_ldap is what keeps people tame ;) johnny: yeah, kind of like FDS
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<sbalneav>
ldap *itself* is a poor standard. It exists for legacy standards. It's a simplification of the X.500 standard.
16:13
LDAP exists, really, because no-one's taken the time to come up with something better.
16:13
I'd expect if someone were going to do something today, you'd do something based on XMLRPC or the like.
16:14
<johnny>
you mean as a transport?
16:14
that's different than the actual storage..
16:14
xmlrpc is just a transport.. nothing else
16:14
<sbalneav>
So's ldap.
16:15
LDAP can use berkely DB as a backend, a sql database as a backend etc.
16:15
<johnny>
ldap is more defined as a directory than xmlrpc is
16:15
i wouldn't really relate those two
16:16
<sbalneav>
Why not? What does LDAP provide, outside of the schemas?
16:16
<johnny>
sure.. the schemas ...
16:16
and a way to query them :)
16:16
lol.. you could use json i guess :)
16:16
couchdb..
16:17
<sbalneav>
And there's lots of "standard" XMLRPC servers, too.
16:17
At it's simplest level, LDAP's just a "write infrequently, read mostly database"
16:18
The only thing that makes LDAP useful is that some of the schemas are standardized, so they're reasonably "cross platform" standard.
16:18
<johnny>
yeah
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<sbalneav>
Ultimately, what makes LDAP a standard is: it's just *there* on a lot of different platforms, and programs.
16:20
<spara>
Hello :)
16:20
<sbalneav>
i.e. a defacto-standard.
16:20
Hello spara
16:21
<spara>
I'm french, so sorry for my english :)
16:21
<sbalneav>
So far, it's been perfect. :)
16:21
<spara>
I have a question about LTSP5 please :) i can?
16:22* ogra used to feel sorry for his english (i'm german) but if you see americans type english a lot you give up on that at some point :P
16:22
<ogra>
spara, go ahead
16:24
<Lns>
ogra: english is just the de-facto standard ;p
16:24
<ogra>
hahaha
16:24
<johnny>
ogra.. you're fine :)
16:24
either you improved.. or you never understood english in the first place :)
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<ogra>
well, its been the case in the recent past that i asked native speakers to review my wiki pages ...
16:25
<Lns>
sometimes i see myself adapting to non-native english people i talk to online..
16:25
<spara>
I have a LTSP server (K12Linux) and, i can't change the screen resolution for the client ! In hhe /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf i write X_MODE_0=1280x1024... an idea? thanks :)
16:25
<johnny>
90% of the people who say "sorry for my english" do just fine
16:25
<ogra>
... AND TEHY INTRODUCED TYPOS !
16:25
*they
16:26
spara, i'm no fedora guy but it might be that you need to definae CONFIGURE_X=True to make it generate an xorg.conf (where the resolution gets applied)
16:26
*define
16:26
<sbalneav>
ogra: I think you're right
16:27
<ogra>
i wasnt sure fedora used that scheme ... i know we did it in ubuntu
16:27
<spara>
Hum, ok, i test now :)
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<spara>
I reboot the server. Because i have not a xorg.conf into the ltsp folder :)
16:32
<ogra>
you dont need one
16:32
CONFIGURE_X=True will create one on boot of the client
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<spara>
The server use the xorg.conf into /etc/X11 ?? or another? because i have not a xorg.conf into the server
16:35
<johnny>
you don't need one often
16:37
<ogra>
note, the server xorg.conf has no influence on the client xorg
16:38
johnny, did i point you to that already ? http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39617753,00.htm
16:38
this sales manager is sooo proud, is a really funny video
16:39
<spara>
ok, thanks :) but he doesn't work :s, i have not a xorg.conf for the client..
16:39
<ogra>
(and repeats himself all the time)
16:39
<johnny>
yay!
16:39
<ogra>
spara, fi you log in on a tty on the client, there is no xorg.conf ?
16:39
<johnny>
ogra, how about you buy me one?
16:39
hehe
16:40
i'll join you in ubuntu mobilez :)
16:40* johnny lol
16:40
<ogra>
johnny, probably, lets see ... if i win a lottery or something :)
16:40
(prob is that i dont play lotteries)
16:40
:)
16:41
i built all the ubuntu images presented there ... but sadly never had a real version of these devices in my hands :/
16:42
(only the rought HW boards ... never a case :( )
16:42
<spara>
ogra, sorry, but i don't understand why have not a xorg.conf... a find / -name xorg.conf is not good
16:43
<ogra>
spara, where do you run "find / -name xorg.conf" ?
16:43
<spara>
in the server
16:43
<ogra>
no, thats wrong
16:44
the xorg.conf gets created on the client while the client boots
16:44
boot a client
16:44
hit: ctrl-alt-f1
16:44
look if you have /etc/X11/xorg.con
16:44
f
16:44
<spara>
ok i make it
16:47
sorry, i have not a xorg.conf ! this is unreal !
16:47
lol
16:48
<ogra>
then i'm not sure how fedora handles that
16:49
CONFIGURE_X=True should create one
16:49
but i'm ubuntu developer, fedora might handle it differently
16:49
<spara>
yes, i think :) So thanks for your help, that's cool
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<summatime>
has anyone tried setting LTSP for an imac g3 client before?
16:53
I've followed the LTSP install (server and client) building and configuring steps,
16:53
<johnny>
sure.. you just havve to build the image on the client iself..
16:53
and copy it to the server
16:54
it takes quite awhile..
16:54
<ogra>
yeah, setting it up is a bit tricky
16:54
<johnny>
i got rid mine
16:54
i got rid of mine*
16:54
instead of dealing with that
16:54
<ogra>
you need a G3 to create the image
16:54
<summatime>
but when I try to connect to it from the imac I get a TFTP ERROR response 1 File not found...
16:54
I set it up on another powerpc-based mac (an emac)
16:54
<johnny>
i never got yaboot working right.. and gave up
16:54
<summatime>
ah
16:55
<ogra>
you also need a special dhcpd.conf
16:55
<summatime>
I was afraid of that
16:55
<johnny>
looks like it's feasible.. if you want to spend the effort..
16:55
<ogra>
http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
16:55
try that one
16:55
<johnny>
after a couple hours..it wasn't worth it.. and gave those computers away, and got 2 other donated ones
16:55
<summatime>
oh, I've been to that link, ogra; I didn't know that was yours, haha
16:55
<johnny>
if i had a bunch more..
16:56
i would have stuck with it i magine
16:56
<summatime>
johnny> yeah
16:56* ogra still has two imacs ... but they werent powered on for over a year
16:56
<summatime>
ogra> I've tried putting that into my dhcpd.conf file but it didn't seem to change the effect
16:56
I can try it again in a few minutes
16:56
<ogra>
summatime, using ubuntuß
16:56
?
16:56
<summatime>
I'm using Debian
16:56
<ogra>
ah
16:56
<summatime>
I would use edubuntu for what I'm doing
16:57
but they don't have a latest version for powerpc
16:57
that I've seen
16:57
<ogra>
in (ed)ubuntu the ltsp dhcpd.conf is in /etc/ltsp on the server
16:57
no, powerpc support was dropped a long time ago
16:57
but it *might* still work
16:57
<summatime>
yeah, that's why :/
16:58
<ogra>
just nobody tested it
16:58
<summatime>
yeah
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<ogra>
cliebow (who is usually here, just not now) uses a lot of G3s
16:58
<summatime>
I just have a lab of imac g3s that I was thinking of using as thin clients
16:58
that's cool
16:58
<ogra>
he might have tested it with more recent releases, not sure
16:58
<summatime>
do you know what cliebow was running? (*is)
16:58
ah
16:59
<ogra>
no, you need to wait for him to show up
16:59
he usually is here all the time, its strange that he isnt atm
16:59
<summatime>
okay; well I'll hang out for a little while longer and I'll try the ~ogra/dhcpd.conf entries again to see if that changes things
17:00
somehow I just wasn't able to find any file (I was trying test.txt, etc. files on the server, accessing from the imac client, to see if I could even find where it's looking on the server)
17:00
i'll keep trying; thanks for the help ogra, johnny
17:00
<ogra>
i remember there was some special setup required for yaboot (it needed to be in the toplevel dir and the .conf too) but i dont remember details
17:01
(its nearly 3 years ago that i worked with imacs on ltsp)
17:01
<summatime>
yeah, I saw someone wrote about moving it to a more toplevel directory
17:01
yeah, they are older computers
17:02
<ogra>
they are still beautiful, but i'm not doing any active ltsp development anymore ... i just hang around here supporting :)
17:02* ogra works more with ARM than with intel HW nowadays
17:03
<summatime>
that's cool that you are still helping out in that way
17:03
more like handheld things?
17:03
embedded, etc
17:03
<ogra>
well ...
17:04
i just pointed johhny to http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39617753,00.htm
17:04
*johnny
17:05
but yes, effectively i'm workig in the ubuntu mobile team
17:07
<summatime>
wow, that's cool!
17:07
<ogra>
yep
17:07
<summatime>
i'm looking forward to those books
17:08
well, I gotta get going for now, but thanks for the link
17:08
<ogra>
ciao
17:08
<summatime>
talk to you guys later
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<KingstonAsus767>
hello, can i ask you something about kiwi-ltsp in opensuse 11.1?
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<ogra>
i think there is a #kiwi-ltsp channel
17:30
<KingstonAsus767>
ok, I'll try there then thak u...
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18:00* ogra glares at http://www.disklessworkstations.com/web/images/logos/rRaja1.png
18:03* ogra tries to understand what the items have to do with ltsp
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<Ryan52>
uhhh...
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heh
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<ogra>
meh, my mail to ltsp.org still gets bounced back
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<jsiddall>
I recently installed a K12Linux system. When I run ltsp-build-client it goes off and grabs some 388 packages, installs them and then says this:
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umount: /var/tmp/imgcreate-1b7kbH/install_root: device is busy.
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(In some cases useful info about processes that use
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the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
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/usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/common/010-chroot-tagging: line 3: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp_chroot: No such file or directory
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error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
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I googled a bit and found some hits with similar errors, but no solutions. Any idea what is going wrong?
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<Ryan52>
no idea.
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try again? :)
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if you don't want it to have to redownload all of the packages, you shoulda told it to cache 'em. look at the k12linux website for info on how to do that.
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(and I suggest you do that this time)
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<jsiddall>
Yeah, I did enable the cache... thankfully
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I have rebooted and tried re-running numerous times. No change.
20:14* Ryan52 hides
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<jsiddall>
I am puzzled about the "device is busy" message, because although /var/tmp/imgcreate-1b7kbH/install_root exists, it is not mounted -- at least not by the time I get to checking.
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<Bugs_BunnyBR>
hey, What is your distro?
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<jsiddall>
I see the message "Mounting /opt/ltsp/i386 for chroot installation" but if I check the mounts nothing is mounted
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K12Linux
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...er, that's F10
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<jsiddall>
I am re-running ltsp-build-client as I type this, and as it is installing packages /opt/ltsp/i386 is filling up with all the stuff you would expect in a chroot
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<Bugs_BunnyBR>
I am sorry, I have never used it..
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<jsiddall>
What the...? This time I got "info: LTSP client installation completed successfully" I am not lying when I say re-ran this numerous times. (09:13:47 PM) Ryan52: try again? :) -- Ryan52, you are are clairvoyant!
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Sorry for the trouble.
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<Ryan52>
lol
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cool
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<r1ka>
there is any "how-to" how to make local apps running on fedora 10 + ltsp?
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<cyberorg>
ogra, very strange indeed, i wonder what is going on in the mind of the artist coming up with this idea :)
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<try2free>
is there is an easy way to disable internet access for some thin clients?
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<Ryan52>
try2free: have some connect to a different server that doesn't have internet access?
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<try2free>
Ryan52: no, there is one server only
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Ryan52: i need to limit only some client would connect to internet, the other can not.
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<cyberorg>
try2free, setup squid ACL
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<Ryan52>
cyberorg: it all comes from one server, tho...so how can squid do that?
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<cyberorg>
Ryan52, squid with authentication might work
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<Ryan52>
ah.
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<try2free>
can i use shorewall?
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<try2free>
cyberorg: can i use shorewall?
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<cyberorg>
try2free, don't know, never used it
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<Ryan52>
try2free: I really doubt it.
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I've only used shorewall for a short time.
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but it's more of a wrapper around iptables (for firewalling).
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not really proxying.
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<alkisg>
An ethernet flow control problem was recently reported on the ltsp-discuss list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=49A85E28.7090006%40dm.org&forum_name=ltsp-discuss
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Can I use ethtool to stop my server for respecting flow control "PAUSE" signals?
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How would that go? `ethtool -K--offload eth xx off` ?
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Oops, typo, `ethtool -K--offload eth0 tx off` ?
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If this solves the problem with gigabit server on gigabit switch sending only 100mbps (total bandwidth measured on the server) to 100mbps clients, it'll be great, it should even be the default for ltsp servers... Fast ethernet clients won't have to be upgraded to gigabit, and cheaper switches (1-gigabit port only) could be bought! :)